I think what you just said, it's not old school, it's mid school. What the fuck's mid school? I'm not going to do this from a disguise anyway. What the fuck is mid school?
It's different ages. Is that a new thing? No, no. Old school now is really old and not so old.
Old school is back, back, past, mid school halfway. Anyway, mid school? How am I from? What?
I can't do it. I had to ask him. Do you like being the rules of the U.S. No, it's not mid school.
Is it a new school? No, it's not. It's a new school? It's a new school.
You're other at school, old school, and then you're at mid school. No, wait, we'll find out, wait. Hey, can I ask you a question? Yeah.
What's mid school? In two thousand. Okay, and what's old school? I was going to die on that.
I was back. Okay, because I'm having a fight here about all this. It's a new school, it's just school. New school?
There is a new school. You can make one on this. There you go, from 2005 on this. Okay, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, anything to the old talk, past podcast?
I just did my Peter on this, I can't speak tonight. Joining me tonight is Tom the Raving Reporter. Good day, everyone. And we're back at the Rick Short Racing Lair due to popular demand.
We had a great response on the last occasion with young Tom talking about racing in these debut years. This time I think we're going to, Tom's here as well as Rick, good day, good evening. And we've also got FIDLIS security for us, so easy in the background, making sure we don't get robbed. So basically we're back here with the Short family.
Thank you for inviting us back. But today we're going to talk about some old school racing, agree. But just before we get up to you, Rick, I'll try to get an update on Tom. You got invited to home by with the TCR Cup car?
Yeah. How's your name? I'm your only gen. Yeah, fortunately, I go in the TCR.
Yeah. So I'm here with HMO and that was unreal. So different compared to what I'm used to. So I've been training with them in that car.
They liked what they saw. They liked what they saw. And you liked what you drove? And I liked what I drove.
Yeah, it was just a real race car. Normally in the RX-8, I'd go in the car. I'm semi-sleech. That's where I was on my own hands.
I'm in the slits and I'm in the slits and I'm in the rear. Like we said last time, we finally followed Tom and back in the email list at alltorquedoutlook.com.au and sponsor a young and up and coming racer, which is a second generation from Rick Mote. Good evening, how are you? Good night.
Good night. Thanks for having me. No, thank you for having us. And like I said, we got a great response last time and everyone, we're going to go back a couple of decades and find out how you stumbled your way into racing and your cars, et cetera.
Was it from a young, we just left for a while. How'd you get into it? You won over the loose. Who showed you the, who gave you the first point of oil that got you into it?
It probably all started out in the house, but most of it's on the street. Being a lair and letting our head in and doing the things that shouldn't have been doing it when you were at the time, but shit, it was fun. Yeah. Hopefully we didn't get into too much trouble.
This before you had license, I bet. Yeah. Yeah. Before the license, and then even after the license came up, the license was the door.
So which of you are? Absolutely. You see, basically. Sydney based, mainly so.
Yeah. It was the first set of wheels you got behind. Oh, God. I think it was a thing whose car was in what car was the first car away.
The name was a Mester R Extreme, a Ratery engine. So you've had Ratery's go through from there. Yeah. Yeah.
A couple of distant cars in here, I won't talk about that. No, it's always been Ratery's. Yeah. So the R Extreme was a failure.
Yeah. It's not your fault. But you know, it's not your fault. It's not your fault.
It's not your fault. It's old school, mid school, I give it to you. And then we think we've just got, is it new school? No.
Yeah. New school. Just 2005 onwards. And mid school was under two, 90s.
I can't remember. When you say RX 3, that's old school. Yes. Yes.
That's old school. So you're running around with the rotaries. Yeah. You just thrashing around on the street with rotaries.
So do you start downing under the bottom? Yeah. Your first experience. We don't talk about that.
Just pulled everything apart. And then work out how things work and bring back together. You've got it wrong and you just worked it out. And pull it back in.
Just educated yourself and hope for the best. And sometimes you think you thought, where the right way to go, or where the better point necessarily better. Yeah. And you'd be walking home.
But, yeah, I'd be on the beach and then I'd be on the dirt. You know, the dirt roads outside Sydney. So who was it? Was it just you mate?
It was just you mate? It was just you mate. It was just you mate. Oh, yeah, nothing to do with cars.
He was a mechanical engineer. Still kicking. You know, a mechanical engineer. No, nothing to do with cars.
Well. In a different generation. You know. You were getting all the cars?
You did it all myself. We were mates. You were the party. Yeah.
And we wrote for each just pull one apart. You know, pull one out of the car and pull one apart. They had no idea what we were doing. And just mucked around with it until one day you swooned one together and it actually worked.
It started in the rain. I had a funny how it started. It started in the rain. Like, and you stayed in the road trip didn't you?
Yeah, it's in sort of 1980. I think it was the first time. That's old school. I put an engine in an RX 3 for a mate and got it running.
But is it like you paid $200 for a second-hand rotary engine and put it into an RX 3? But even back then was it like just from another world, a road to an engine? Yeah. No one really knew what they were.
And there was no cult following and there wasn't groups and there wasn't, you know, like we've got today, clubs and what have you. Obviously, no, I'm using it back in. No. So basically, for those who are not mechanically minded, you're standing there just like symbolism, pisses them and goes up and down and you've got V8s and sixs and fours.
Where our rotary's got no such devices. It's just literally what it is. It's a road. It's a triangular piston and it spins.
It spins around and around a stationary gear mounted in the middle. And it's got teeth on top of gear and it just goes through. And that's what produces. It turns the crankshaft which is called an eccentric shaft in the south.
Which turns the flywheel and the rest is history. It's really the game looks back in the differential and the tie starts like it. That's a thing. I mean, they're small displacement but they get the power of a big engine.
Like a 1.3 rotor as well as power is like a 2.5 litre car. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it's a 2 rotor. It's like a 6 cylinder.
Where is the problem with the rotary? It's always been in the ceiling, the ceiling turns seals and how they wear and, you know, the measurement developed over the years and they're pretty good now. Yeah. Contrary to popular belief, measurement has done an exceptionally good job developing the rotary engine to what it is now.
Say the RX8s. Yeah, the RX8s. And then they developed it better with the second generation RX8. They got pretty right there.
So it'd be nice if they continued it. But that's a rumor. Every year here there's a rotary coming. There's a roman out.
You can't hold your breath. But is it a rotary engine work with say like a hybrid? Because everyone wants electric now and hybrids. Well, they're looking at using the hydrogen version of the rotary engine in conjunction with hybrid cars.
So electric and hydrogen at the same time. Because of the small displacement, they're not as heavy. No, it's right. It would make sense.
And it would take up the root of a root. So it would make sense in sort of like it would work with a hybrid? It would. And Mazda's developing it with a lot of money to it.
They were testing RX8 from Nurburgring a little while ago. Which I believe had a hydrogen engine. Okay. So they're still tinkering.
This is nothing official. No, no. But when well-cered, when it will filter through to production, who knows? They say all these mockups.
Mazda do concept RX9 and all this. Yeah, yeah. It's popping up on Facebook. You know, just so they get sick and tired of seeing all the pictures.
You just actually want to go ahead and do it. What could happen? I mean, there's like 30, 40 years of a mid-engine Corvette that's finally coming. But they're still playing with it.
Sort of. Yeah. Yeah. It's not done, Dustin.
It's not. I've got a question. I'm not an archivistic person. Right?
Triple rotor. What does that mean? Well, that's just an extra cylinder trying to get it on to the existing two. And then there's a four-row.
It's just four. And how much? And it just increases the power. A lot of people do that.
Well, reliability. I mean, is it like getting a similar side? Well, money. But is it like getting a similar engine?
Is it not in production? Does it get high production for a four-row-up engine? They've got the heat on there? Well, it's all custom built.
It's engineered on the side, you know, two-order. Not a production. So you talk about big, big, huge engines like you lifetime. Well, everybody just takes an existing V8 from whatever brand or stable they want to take it from.
And then you modify it. But it started as a V8. Yeah, they did it out. Make the makes.
Most of the used to make rotaries that don't make them anymore. They stopped. Maybe they'll start again. But they didn't make a few, I might model with the cosmonaut, a three-row-ringent.
But they're hard. They're like, you know, long or shit again. Yeah, but like, you could buy, like, say for a three-row-eight, a stroker kit. Make a three-five or whatever you're going to make.
A two-beater, a 20-beater, whatever they call it, yeah. So your stroker kit you buy after market is now like a three-row-4-row-eighter kit. That's what I call the three- or four-row-eighter-eighter engine. Oh, you can buy it.
Yeah, you can buy it. You can build it. What does it have on top there? Someone's got a six-row-ringent-over in your zoom.
Why? Because they could. They wanted to do it. Sure, they wanted to do it.
They wanted to do it. They wanted to do it. You know, they wanted to do it. I think it was normally aspirated, so it wasn't super-superpower.
But for the size and weight of the engine, it was pretty phenomenal. It was like a dracker. What was that like a dracker? I think they did it for draggy.
For draggy. Hold those batteries in their cars too for a bit. I think it was. Yeah, there was the Mazda Road Pacer.
Well, it wasn't. Yeah, so basically the Kingswood. Yeah, they tried to set to Japan and they put a rotary engine in it and they used it as a Libo and it was so heavy and the rotor was only a handful because in Japan they crushed their cars after eight, ten years. It was only a handful of Mazda Road Pacers.
So Google that kids. You'll see an HZ Kingswood with a rotary engine in it. Nice manufacturers have played with rotary engine. Yeah.
Just inputting in production. And then the concept cars. Even the size played with it. But I made the starter motors like a rotary now.
You know, for the stop start? Yeah. The start. I don't know.
I said sure but I heard that the starter motors are made like a rotary so like thing because they cranking out just so much. Yeah. But I'm going back to the cities. Was that orange?
Gold mean that 70s. What do they call it? Yeah. I kind of was that was called a C1 like three or something.
It was, I just had visions of it on a on a ball doing high speed tracking. But all the other. Yeah, it was a rotary. Yeah, it was a rotary.
Yeah, the cities had a go and it was an orange like going maybe looking 70s. Really? Yeah. But you mentioned it earlier and we got a taste of it from last time we met.
You've been out of an over-group. Yeah. I've spent quite a bit of time. Like I've spent a bit of time at a play station.
That's as close as I've got to know. You can crash and slide again. Is it, it's called the Green Hell? Is it?
That's right. Is it? The Green Hell. Because it's pretty lush and green over there.
Yeah. The rest of the humans are coming to snow. And it is like hell. It can be hell.
And it's not very wide attractive. I think it's pretty narrow. In some places it's reasonably narrow but when I say it can be hellous because when things go wrong there for people on the wall the time it can, then you know it can be like hell. It's probably the most rooming testing place to drive a car anywhere in the world.
As far as racetracks go. And that's why all the manufacturers are based there on the users of a test track to develop. Because you've got everything you've got. At least what's what's about.
Point how do you use it? It's actually two servers there that join together to make one big long track. So the shorter circuit like all the watch line which is the more than circuit is 20.5 kilometres a lap. And then you've got the long pre-track where the former one goes here.
And that's another six. I think I've been about 500 or six times. So if you've got 26 kilometres of full lap and that's what they use for the 24-hour racetrack. And how long is that?
Six. Two. So it's four bathtas tracks with one big wing. Because you still have to have a full lap to get the big bar out.
And they have the radio. It's like it's mountains too. Does the radio work throughout the track? No.
So the... Richard are coming around the corner. Oh, we've got the other four. He's having a cover out.
A lot of the teams at racetrack really have stations as such. The bouncer signals. But when we race here we didn't have that luxury. So we had certain points on the circuit where we knew or tested that we could get radio contact back to the pits.
And they were points where we radio in. Just let them know that we still are the line and still going. So what you... What race did you do there?
Well the 24-hour no-boo ring races run in Vians. Is that the production cars or is that...? No, it's... Well when I started in 2002 it was some of it was production based cars.
Yeah. And it was a little force on the shop and trolleys up to GT3 cars. Yeah. Right, which were fast.
And now it's predominantly GT3. Yeah. So it's gone through its evolution. It's much like the bathtas 12 out here where it used to be a production car race.
And they started letting faster cars in for our reason, for our reason, for our reason and for our reason. And the next thing you know... The next thing I was taking over is purely GT3. They went and let you run a production based car.
So I knew that the ring was going that way. After a few years, I started in 2002, after a couple of years they stopped letting a little 1660 engine car in. They were too slow. And there's three differentials between the...
So I got two different cars. It's two new cars. And then more and more professional drivers were getting involved, bigger teams, more money. It was getting faster and faster and bigger and bigger.
And then the professional drivers were driving in a manner that was a harder pace. And there was more accidents with the slower sort of gentlemen drivers as they call them, not so experienced drivers. What's all your race in the hot water? First thing I drove there was a Honda.
And in the VTech Honda the top R city. If it was pretty quickly in the car, but it was one of the slower cars. There's also 230 cars that were starting the race. Is that a staggered start?
They start them in three groups. So, pending upon qualifying and speeding time. Which in the first thing is that... It's like a city search.
Exactly. Everybody runs for two. So, the first thing is that the middle school women's seats are up and going, let the fastest leaders go first and then the middle school women's seats are up and going, there you go, next. And then the old school women's seats are up and back.
So it's gone through a little bit of change over the years. But I've driven BMWs on a different G-3, 4 years. Yeah, but as well as the Germans know it, who race it there often? No.
Because we get to go once a year and have a learner. But I can close my eyes and I can do a whole lot of that. I know where the bumps are. I know where the pipes are.
I know where the place of car. Yes, I've learned all that. I know there's a dry line versus a wet line. I've got to say for a thrum condition.
So those are the things. You know, where they stay out of the way of faster cars, you know, you know, just placing them to the car for safety. Because it's 24 hours you're running in the dark. So then you've got headlights behind you which you've got to try to recognise it as a fast car, a slow car.
They're used to running the fastest cars, fastest 20, used to run yellow covers on their headlights so that you knew it was a faster car. And then they went to a flashing blue light system. So you see the blue light flashing on the behind you, you know, get out of the way. And some of these drivers, you know, they're going to move.
I've been bumped off the track several times. Have you been tricked by someone that's like if you're kind of third or fourth or behind you're going to meet back like they're going to do you? No, I can't say that's what it looks like. But sometimes it'd be a car behind you.
It's not a bad idea. Particularly if it's raining and it's even harder to see. And you think, is it a nice one? I think that's a faster car.
And it just turns out to be a better all- It's going to get better. It's actually slower than maybe the job that could be put up. And you go, oh, I don't think it'll be in mind. And at night, is there animals as well?
They'll scare off in the voice. No, there's not a road to the problem. There's no. There's no rules, but there's no.
There's no reindeer or, kind of, what's the thing? Animal that's different. The thing that's different is they're going to be a bit. They go mental and they're all camping around.
Yeah, they can. They're camping around the track. The gym is going to be before firework and rocket launchers. It's a place.
Oh, no. They have all the light clouds and all the light clouds. They build it. Just go off.
Yeah. They're going to be anywhere around the track. I remember one German bop. I'll be still up here.
Where the radio doesn't reach anywhere. I'll be back in a couple of laps. The Baffus grab goes crazy. But they probably won't be there than Baffus.
Really? Is it that? It is limited. The thing you see is you have to be there to believe it.
What they're going to say is one German thing. They build a two-story lodge out of wood and steel. It's an air operated elevator. Really?
Just because they're cool. They have hot tubs. And they sit in a hot tub against the fence and watch the cars go past. They probably haven't seen the car before.
And they draw the road. What are the clean messages they? They paint on the road if they're drivers or teams or cars or, you know, different aids. Did they leave the road on there or did they paint it all up?
They paint it. They don't. It's all it's paint. It was a big shit fight recently.
They're talking about it. They shouldn't let them paint road anymore. It's dangerous cars. They're not going to be in the years.
It's part of the event. It's part of the history. It's a part of the character. A little bit of doing it.
I'll do it. I'm a Bafors next year. Give us Brake Kings. I'm a roller buddy.
Go reach the roller. Don't even let that happen. Don't let me out there. I'll arrange it.
I was going to say with the Nürburgring as well. The other side of the track might be raining. Do it on sleeks. Yes.
And then another half's drive. When you see the other six team, we had Hail. And everybody was slipping and sliding and crashing on the Hail. It was just ludicrous.
So you're going to be running off the three o'clock and just falling. And you don't see the fog coming. Like it drives into it. So it's coming in the dark.
And so you suddenly drive the lights off. And you hit this fog. You know, a hundred miles of air away you're doing. And you absolutely shoot yourself because you can't see anything.
So then you drive and look at the light on the side of the road. And you're trying to find another race car that's got better lights than you. And you're following. You know, far around.
And I was the former one the other night. It's all about consistent lap times. What's a variation of the consistent lap time? You're out by 20, 30 seconds.
Is that consistent? Well, normally only if there's something happening on the track. So there's been an accident and they bring the yellow flags out. And you've got to drive through that zone.
They're 60 corners on the outside. And you go through it too fast. The marshals are seeing them. The flags in their hands.
And they go through it too quickly. They'll actually hit the car with a flag. Smash the band. And you know what?
They'll slide in. All of the cars have got jibBS feet. Things in the now that, so they know where you are. How fast you're going.
They know if you're coming to a yellow zone and you're going to get any one. You said something. That section's only got a yellow flag. It tracks that.
Okay. Bathurst. The whole track goes yellow. It's not one of the time.
It's a few. No, any racetrack can have a section, no small section, that is yellow. There's debris, so we've got that in Australia with half the whole track out of the yellow. No, always.
It'd be unusual if it was a safety car. If you have one of the three sectors and you see yellow, it's the same with baffle. And I have safety cars at the end of the ring. They'll just have the yellow zones.
That was a car crashing the wall on the side. Yellow, I came to the corner. Jason, right up his arms, we both had this little button off. Yellow, yellow, and then the car crash was there.
Next stop was there. Green, straight away. No, it was a bit caution. Yellow didn't slow down, no, it was taking.
And then once you've got the green flag, you're back on. I'm out of five seconds, you just have a loop. You say your cash on the right hand side and you're back on it. And red flag wins, right stopped.
Red flag will be right stopped. Yeah, you're going to go on the wall, it's not. Well, yeah, it's stopped. You're going to get the pit.
Yeah, you're going to get the pit at a really slow pace. Formula one, that's an Adelaide. Red flag and the racetrack's on time, we knew what happened. They already had the airport to go back.
That's a back wing. That's it, this way happened. We were waiting here, they got red flag, it was raining. Yeah.
They don't even have the ball that night. No, no, no, no. Better thump ball. Better thump ball.
Yeah, better thump ball. Yeah, that'd be very, very long time. That'd be on school, wouldn't it? Yeah, I'll school, yes.
No, no, no, no, come in, school. Mid school, yes. Mid school, yes. So, the other thing with the logo, back to the logo, is that carousel?
I think there's two carousels on the PlayStation. What the fuck is that corner about? What happens there? Well, it's a bank concrete corner.
It's like, it's like, it's like concrete. Yeah, and it's really rough and bumpy. It doesn't matter if you're in a slow caroulfast car. Everything goes through there.
What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Carousels are banked corner. All right, yeah.
It's almost like a heavy, is it? It's over 180 degrees. Okay. Around.
And it's, I don't know how steep it is, but it's only just wide enough for one car. So you've got to follow where it's going to be. It's not a load of taking corner. But then at the top of the carousel, it's flat bitches.
So you can actually go on to the flat bitches and session and drive around that bit of one or two. That's the one I look for. Almost here. That's the top of the corner.
Yeah. Yeah. But it's concrete. Lots of smooth.
It's not just a shadow photo to red and report. It's really, really bumpy. Yeah. It's hard on the car.
So if you try to drive through really fast, you can be more cold hard on the car. So it's never had a lot of cars on that bank too. Yeah. And then there's another sort of smaller one.
What is the smaller one? But the bitches section on the outside that's flat, that starts to accumulate bits of car and frell oils. So it's not a safe for a shiver. No, when you get up on there, you can run something over where you've got a little bit of a bit of a bit of a fluid.
So it's slower to go around the top. Yeah. And there's not much room if you do go off or off. There's an unper.
Yeah. It's pretty much. It's not even a little room. And it's such a high average speed every week.
Like a track here in Australia, you know, back to second gear for this corner, third gear there. The big ring, there's like fourth, fifth gear you've got. Yeah. Like a slow corner's almost flat out on further.
There's not a lot of what we call slow corner. Not in your racing, but I heard what you do when you pay your title to your back. If you hit the outcast, like a 90-year-old, yeah, it's like 90-year-old, you know, if you go off, you're going to go off a good 50-60-100-minute. It's not cheap, you're going to pay for it.
You're going to get a bill. Yeah. So, okay. I mean, we saw about racing at the track.
If you went on a non-race day or a non- You could be a social car. Yeah. It's like under the public. Yeah.
I check it. It's like car companies actually book the ring. So, by the public days, it's got like a time gate. And the thing is, you've also got these motorbikes and the N5 ring taxis.
So, you've got a book. If you just turn up on the day, it's where you're booked out. But you can pay, they've got their corner F5 ring with their BMW and Fis. They've got a ring taxis you buy to give them a seat.
There's three of you. Yeah. And they take you full, like the driver, that's their job. They just go around the track and you're all there, like going 100%.
100%. But they got over there to what we've got here, right? Oh, a lot of the more people. But the Nooka ring was going, bro, it's not.
It's not a reasonable son. They tried to do a farm park there. And they tried to, it's not, it's expensive piece of real estate. It's not, they're still there.
That way it's shut down. Yeah, they can't. They're good. That's a dream of mine.
If you race there, you're a sport. I mean, you're a sport. I've driven around the place that's far. That up hill run.
Is that corner? Is that corner that blind? It's not blind going in the zone. You know the same corner.
Yeah, look at the sky, you know what. It's not a 50k. Don't know about a roof. There are other places that don't be green that one will fry me.
That probably come out. Certainly just as much respect. Yeah. Because it's a track average speed around the blue, it's so high it's the place it really stalks you out You go ahead and you merge and you mix it out your out of walls Don't go there So what races have you changed is huge, you know?
Up and down? What races have you had at the blue blue? What's the main one? 24 hours?
The main one is 24 hours, but they also hold it at their wheel and races and that's 3 to 3 cars Bit like bafers Yeah, they're all the hot races, 2 hour races, 3 to 4 hour races And up to the 70s, they used to do Formula One there, that was a Formula One track Up to the 70s, got to do the 80s What a long one, but yeah, the way they hit there, they had a Formula One track Is that what he did, the other four four? Nicky Louder crashed and he thought he was going to do the third injury from Crash in the middle Yeah, it's um, and that just put it If one side of the 70s is too dangerous, no, that must be for dangerous there I was out of chance last year and it didn't happen, fucking COVID, but anyway We could do it eventually, eventually, it would be like New Vegas Oh yeah, he would keep going, the one I would do for CMR, I would do every year He would just do that a second, he wouldn't say what But yeah, it depends on the bafers, what, thousands of times? Six times with the V8s and twice with the Super, when you said Super Turis, the Super Turis It's all that, the early 90s, we either The answer in the 90s, the other 24 hour races here, most of the 12 hour races and then all the other stuff in between So did you, with the V8s, were you racing like every round or were you like a... No, just back off the code drive driver?
Yeah, I did a couple other rounds here and there, in all the Queens Lane 500 What car? You were here at Coro? Every time a bafers was olden, other than once, once in a four-way Keep it in, yeah, I never get in the kick, I'm kind of a road I was a little pissed on the same thing with the bafers back in the 80s, there was no way you'd go drive a railway around there But, oh, I... Well, I've heard Super Car was a whole lot more than it was before Well, what was that?
I mean, a bafers in a Super Car would be like the last one in Australia Oh, absolutely, yeah, that's quite a bit of fantastic, it was such a challenge Yeah, sleep? Yeah, sleep and fast and... There's the whole lot of roughness out of those walls Yeah, and I'm forgetting, and I'll just go in here with Tom, he's just coming first, and the same time he's just coming first, and he's just coming first Uh, 6 hour race in the production car, so he knows I was like me able to drive around the way out of the walls and the dark No rain, luckily in 8, when I was sort of 3 o'clock in the morning, but it's not something What was the market at night? No, it sounds a bit old school, is that old school?
It's good, it's good, it's good, it's good, it's good, it's good, but they were hard cars to drive back there Like, they were hard cars to drive back there, they were not power steering Yeah, well, the first Land Farm car ride, right, they were not power steering Yeah, it was a Birkenfield car, and it was a proper car, it was a big steering move on, to make it easier to steer Yeah, proper clutch, and it was a 6-speed H-gate, like a proper patch pattern, ball box, and I think it was a dumb box And so you could flush it long up shift and it was really good to drive, but you had to main handle it And hop, hop inside the car And how on did you shift it, an hour? Probably about an hour, maybe within an hour to go shift out How much fuel do they hold? Hundred and nine 20 liters of it, 20 laps are in your lap There's a hundred and nine Yeah, so are we now, do we have any laps? It's about two, two and a half minutes around there Is it equal to 20 laps an hour?
No, we don't have any laps So 20, 20 laps an hour, 25 laps? Yeah, yeah, yeah Now we're doing the numbers down, calculate the kids So do you do it, so you go to a whole tank, and you do it in your lap Yeah, you drive to the tank Step about 40 liters I'm always ranting drivers, you know. See 24 liters for that? No, I'll be more than that back then.
What are they doing now? Three, I can't remember, I've seen the thing when they don't get on each other. I'll just say probably four liters. Yeah, I remember I watched the thing when I was cabblin', if they backed off short, shifted earlier, and I'll say it like, you know.
Oh yeah, they go. They saved like, I'm laughing. So you have to use when we say get a listener to ring in if they know the answer. Ring down and take a call.
Yeah, that's true. I'm talking to the noise, but we're not super car-using around back to the thing. The front-runners would time it where you almost run out and then fuel the last slap. It's kind of in the past, really.
We don't want to run out of control. Yeah, right. But does the pit crew know, to the middle of me that much feel we got left? Yeah, we got the computers that do.
We'll do it over there. They're all just in a bit easier, isn't it? Someone cheated back then, put a bigger fuel line and killed it around. I know you all heard that was a showroom.
I think that was in NASCAR. Now, playing with the rules that 10 can't be 100 litres. Yeah, they really have to kill the line. Fuel line.
Fuel line through the car. That's car. That's kind of 60-some line, those galaxies. Hey, you can't know what's wrong, really?
Yeah, then they got re-rock rules. Yeah, they got rules. They got rules, did you get caught? Just a bit like, what was that?
That's so bad that we went. The wind kill. But that's the rules, too. Yeah, very good.
It's America's coupling. They changed the rules. Yeah, so this car, this had an other car, I think it was in England. It was a quarter of the 60s, had two fuel tanks, or they could fill it up from two sides.
So it was a quicker fill up. So they could get out, so he had two nets. I think that Gavin, Gavin is now fuel entry. Yeah, there's a restrictive in the fuel line.
So they feel like a fine. It's good. It's good to know what's going on. I mean, I'm sure that you've got a lot of race cars, too.
Do you start with a book? Or do you start with a car, and look at a book and go, we can do this, we can't do that. I'm not sure you know everything. Yeah, I know that.
You're basically starting with a rule book. You have to. Because you have to engineer everything you do when you're around the rule. You can't just go, let's do this because you want it.
Of course. You've got to say, hang on, they're going to allow us to do this, and this. So what's the best alternative to you see it? That's going to work well together as a d'idion in chat.
But do you look for this? Not short cut, but do you look for, you know, it's called an edge. Well that's an edge. That's right.
You have to find that edge as Tom says and stretch everything into the end of the degree. So it went on back down, it goes on. It's all about interpretation. All about interpretation.
What can you do? A lot of the words in the rules say that we can interpret slightly differently this way and get away from the middle end of the middle end of the group. That's the edge. But then the rule gets rewritten.