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2790: Why You Can’t Stop Thoughts, But You Can Stop Suffering by Richard Paterson on How to Manage Overthinking

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Richard Paterson of Think Less and Grow Rich on why you can't stop thoughts, but you can stop suffering Episode 2790: Why You Can’t Stop Thoughts, But You Can Stop Suffering by Richard Paterson on How to Manage Overthinking Richard is an ex-monk, meditation teacher, transformational coach and author of two books, “Kick The Thinking Habit” and “Awaken The Happy You.” After almost four decades of spiritual exploration and self-discovery, it’s now his passion to share with others some of the spiritual nuggets he’s unearthed along the way. For the past 20 years, he’s been helping people find more peace, joy, and inner freedom—to wake up to a richer, deeper, more spiritually connected experience of life. The original post is located here: https://www.thinklessandgrowrich.com/why-you-cant-stop-thoughts/ Visit Me Online at OLDPodcast.com  Interested in advertising on the show? Visit https://www.advertisecast.com/OptimalLivingDaily Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Richard Paterson of Think Less and Grow Rich on why you can't stop thoughts, but you can stop suffering Episode 2790: Why You Can’t Stop Thoughts, But You Can Stop Suffering by Richard Paterson on How to Manage Overthinking Richard is an ex-monk, meditation teacher, transformational coach and author of two books, “Kick The Thinking Habit” and “Awaken The Happy You.” After almost four decades of spiritual exploration and self-discovery, it’s now his passion to share with others some of the spiritual nuggets he’s unearthed along the way. For the past 20 years, he’s been helping people find more peace, joy, and inner freedom—to wake up to a richer, deeper, more spiritually connected experience of life. The original post is located here: https://www.thinklessandgrowrich.com/why-you-cant-stop-thoughts/ Visit Me Online at OLDPodcast.com  Interested in advertising on the show? Visit https://www.advertisecast.com/OptimalLivingDaily Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This is optimal living daily episode 2790. Why you can't stop thoughts, but you can stop suffering. By Richard Patterson of thinklessandgrowrich.com. And I'm just a molecular very own personal narrator.

We can jump right into another post and start optimizing your life. Why you can't stop thoughts, but you can stop suffering. By Richard Patterson of thinklessandgrowrich.com. Many people spend years looking for peace and contentment in places where you'll never be found.

Much like trying to find your keys in the garden, we've lost them in the house. This article discusses the nature of thoughts, where they come from, and how we can either create peace or suffer depending on how we relate to them. So let's start. When I teach mindfulness classes, the very first exercise we do is called recognizing the restless mind.

The instructions are really simple. For a minute or two, make the conscious decision to sit and do absolutely nothing. Experience what it's like to sit and do nothing. After a minute or two, I ring the gong and ask people what their experience was.

Everyone, without exception, says that despite their decision to do absolutely nothing, the mind remained active throughout. Random thoughts, ideas, images, sensations, et cetera, kept popping into their heads. What does this tell us about the mind? Well, it tells us that although we can make the conscious decision to sit still and not to move the body, the mind will continue to do its own thing regardless.

Like the waves at the beach, thoughts will continue to appear and disappear by themselves. We have no control over it. You can't stop thoughts from happening. In mindfulness training, this never-ending stream of self-arising thoughts is called the undercurrent.

It is autonomous and does its own thing. As well as the undercurrent, there's another part of the mind, the observer, which is also ever-present, is the one that knows what is going on. It knows what's happening in the undercurrent, unless there is distraction, in which case, this knowing quality is lost. We'll talk more about the observer later.

You can't stop thoughts or change the undercurrent. The undercurrent is autonomous and manifests by itself without any input or any intention from ourselves. And not only do thoughts continually appear by themselves, they also fade by themselves, constantly being replaced by new ones. New thoughts, which we have no control over, are constantly popping into our awareness, grabbing our attention, and then fading.

This is why it's so difficult to settle the mind and why lasting peace of mind can never be found. Peace can be found but not on the level of the mind and listen on. As the Indian master, Nisargadatta said, quote, There is no such thing as peace of mind. Mind itself is disturbance, end quote.

So where does the undercurrent come from? If you observe the undercurrent closely, you'll see that it never comes up with anything new. It plays the same old records over and over on repeat. Essentially, it is a record of all the impressions and past experiences we've taken on board and assimilated throughout our lives.

The undercurrent is very much like a computer program that plays over and over on autopilot. And most people, it determines the way they react and interact with the world around them. And here's the interesting part, since the undercurrent is a manifestation of the past, it can't be changed, at least not through direct intervention. As we're only aware of it after it has already happened, there's no way of changing it.

It's important to understand this, otherwise you can spend years looking for solutions where they can't be found. Thankfully, this doesn't mean that change isn't possible or that peace can't be found. We just need to be clear about what can be changed and what can't, so we're looking in the right place. Peace, joy, happiness, et cetera can be found through changing the way the observer interacts with the undercurrent.

The observer, like the undercurrent, the observer is ever present. It knows what's going on in the undercurrent and in the world around us. It's a part of the mind that we think of as me. Most people when asked, how are you?

We'll briefly scan the content of the undercurrent and report back on what's going on there. If there are pleasant thoughts, feelings, or emotions appearing, they'll say, I'm well. If there are dark cloud thoughts, though, they'll report that they're having a rough day. Not many people will say, the mind is full of neurotic thoughts, but I'm doing well.

The main two reasons we suffer is because we judge and reject the content of the mind and take it to be who we are. So there are two things going on simultaneously, the self-arising undercurrent doing its own thing in this strong sense of self that's completely absorbed in the content. There's a character I like to call the thought traffic police officer who stands waist deep in the middle of the stream, thrashing about as they try to control the self-arising thought traffic. A happy thought comes around the bend in the river and meeting with their approval is allowed to pass freely without resistance.

The moment a sad or anxious thought appears, however, they're up in arms, frantically resisting as they slap a bad or wrong or undesirable label on it. And this is where 95% of our suffering comes from, not from the thoughts, feelings, or emotions themselves, which arise without any input from ourselves, but from our unconscious reactions to them. We suffer to the extent that we resist the thoughts, feelings, and emotions that are self-arising. We suffer because we are compulsively preoccupied with the content of the undercurrent and are constantly asking ourselves, do I like this or not?

The problem is obvious, our happiness or unhappiness is dictated by something we have no control over. You can't stop thoughts, but you can change how you respond to them. Peace can never be found within the undercurrent itself. The mind is restless by nature, it can never be settled, or not for long anyway.

You can learn to settle the observer, however, instead of being unconsciously tossed around by our likes and dislikes, by the ups and downs, the ebbs and flows of the river, we can learn to step back and not get involved. We can train ourselves to sit quietly on the riverbank watching, without feeling the compulsion to leap into the stream every time something that is not to our liking comes around the bend in the river. One of my teachers used to say, you suffer because you're open for business, and this is exactly what he meant, grabbing onto thoughts and being dragged downstream, kicking, and fighting. In truth, you don't need to get involved with the mind's incessant activity.

This is the way to find peace. You'll never find it through trying to iron the river. There are two paths to finding peace and fulfillment. There's a path of self-improvement, which stems from the belief that I'm not acceptable as I am.

In other words, the content of the river is not to my liking. Trying to fix ourselves can take years and years. A much quicker, much more effective path in my view is the path of self-understanding. Understanding that you don't need to iron the river to find peace.

Understanding that peace comes from these two things. Non-resistance and non-identification. You just listen to the post titled, Why You Can't Stop Thoughts But You Can Stop Suffering by Richard Patterson of thinklessandgrowrich.com. I'm constantly thinking about how to optimize my health, what supplements to take, hours of sleep, what my diet should focus on.

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If you don't believe me, try it. See how long you can go without something popping in there, even if it's just this experiment is kind of dumb. That is a thought. And boy, do they pop up fast.

It's frequently called the Monkey Mind. It reminds me of the episode where we talked about worrying. It's so easy to get sucked into those thoughts that really aren't helpful at all. This is the grabbing onto thoughts and being dragged downstream, kicking and fighting that Richard talked about.

But his solution? Noticing what's happening and actively deciding not to participate. Again, easier said than done, but I really do think it's the only way out of that vicious snowball. As he said, we can't stop.

The thoughts. They will pop up. But we can choose to let them go. So let go of those unhelpful ones today as they pop up because they certainly will.

Have a happy rest of your day and I'll see you tomorrow where you're optimal life. Oh, wait.

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