Good morning, good afternoon and good evening to wherever you are. You're listening to the World Talk Car Podcast, week off last week, so we're back. Those who are panning to come find us online. Guten Morgan, we had the morning off.
We've got special guests today, we've got Convetska, and we've got Andrew Patterson, they're engineers. So we're not asked. This mother knows. And they're drawing with rulers.
We're going to ask them, what's it take to build a road? Build a bridge. Like we're looking at our cars, we'll go for a drive. Ross is really quite a known one.
He wants to know if he's fighting a bargain or not. But Richard and you can hear Ross and Hell, we also got Daniel, our luggage boys with us today. So guys, what's your fault? Do you just turn up and turn into a tyre?
Look, it's an interesting process. I worked on a job in New Zealand where we had to build a better-put reading for a 30 kilometer freeway. The government had just purchased the boundary land between Point A and Point B and they said, go, go for leather and you had to put a proposal in on the 30 kilometers. One of the interesting things that we had to lock down from the paperwork was exactly where the alignment of the road was going to go.
So they set the speed limit for the 100 kilometers an hour so you had to design your curves and stuff for that. And then you had to, we used all these computer programs because the biggest thing that we had to do was balance all the earthworks. And see, what was one of my problems? I just look at the numbers.
If you were moving four million cubic meters of dirt versus eight million cubic meters of dirt, there was an extra two years on a program and a significant amount of money that went on to the alignment. So you had to basically balance your verticality and your curves to make sure that when you cut your mounts, when you cut your mounts in, all that dirt has to go into fill the valley and then you build up your pavement from it. Some of those mounts that were coming out in New Zealand were about 60 meters deep. And some of those in maintenance were probably about 60 or 70 meters high.
So you've been about the road surface at the top of just only 50 meters wide. When you've got an embankment at the bottom, it could be half a kilometer wide, just the ceiling. Just to build this thing up. Then you've got to put stabilizing on it so it can be brass and you're a tree so it doesn't have a road in the rain.
And so it becomes a real big technical thing because you've got to build it up in five meter sections and you've got to brass it and landscape and you've got to build it back up again. And then over the couple of years, all of that, I mean if you think about a 60 meter of pavement, all of that's going to be stolen actually. You've got to take all of that into account. All of the foundations had to have a sink so they were moving something like half a meter.
You've got to get drainage through it because you pretty much were able to mount it in the middle of the valley. So the water's still coming down the valley so you've got to get that through that. You can through that in maintenance through the other side so you're following everything through. So all that has to be considered.
Then what we had to do was we started to cut through the amount and depending on how flat or how thick you cut through was because we've got a whole lot of rocks. So as rocks come, someone has to come through and maintain that for 20 years. So the flatter you go, obviously the less rocks you've got falling and the sliver you go, the more you have to maintain. So it was a really interesting thing.
I mean in between building your embankment, so you've got to decide what type of bridge you've got to put in. So depending on how big or what span it is, you decide on what type of bridges you've got. And then each bridge takes out, it costs to be more. So if you've got like 35 metres, you usually use a three-pass beam.
The clove's through with your piers, anything bigger than that, you've got to go through like an incremental launch bridge. So you've precasted it right in and you start pouring and you launch it out from that next time. So basically you've got to have the rope. So you've got to have the rope first.
And do you try and avoid amount of the hill or do you sort of snake it through the cheapest way to build it? Or the easiest way? Or do you say, oh well there's amount of hillfucker that's going to have to dig through it? Well no what you've got to do is you've got to make sure that your earthworks balance is on your side because you don't want to be having excess material but then you have to pay to just get it occupied because then you've got to pay to get rid of something.
That's the ribbon on the run. You can't just come and throw it in the rod. I'll just check. You don't have enough material, you've got to buy material and you want to make sure that the balance on the tear-wheel is right.
And so as you come down the mountain it obviously starts to come hard and hard. So the top stuff is your top soil. So you've got to trim that off, park it to the side and put it back on later. And then you've got soft material that comes in.
You've got to decide where you're going to use that. You might need to mix that with some of the rock that comes in. And then you create a little berry. So you know you've got some of that material where the rock starts to become a bit too tough.
You cordrill and you blast it. You get into like sort of 200 mls and then you throw that through into your process. It sounds like a lot of work. It's getting a lot of work.
You're just built up. I'm bridging a row. It's a time. It's taking.
Liverpool Council to fill the hole. We'll do it. We'll do it. So that's what I'm going to do.
Can I ask you what you've got to spend? Look how they sit at the speed of it. Like this is going to be a harder row. Build it.
Wish they met only with the house rocks. Or does it not? Oh no. There's speed limit more around the safety.
So you're curbs and pretty much set to be. So if he's building, so as you're coming round the curve you need to have his ability to have a K now versus 60. Just like you're talking to them. They say they set the speed limit before you design them.
So what happens if you can't make the design work with a speed limit like go back and reconsider or you just have to make it work? You just make it work. Yeah. Yeah.
You just make it work. But then after you've sort of landed all of that alignment and you have the move of AGN and QV meters of dirt, it then starts to become how do I move that. So if it's different times of time to work, how do I move it on the next go back up? It's got a coming that's got a load in your truck.
And then you start to get a big technical. So when you're starting to look at 8 million cubic meters of volume, an excavator that's going to take 36 more over five years is a long time. So you've got to account for fuel, you've got to account for time. And that's where it comes in with these.
So do you work with budgets? I mean obviously. Yeah. We have rates on everything.
So a rate per cubic meter per meter per cent of time per foot. Is that dictated by the person who's paying you or by your own company to pick a profit by your own company? Is what I put a design in and I sat there and I put a meeting to the government that's based on a rate per cent rate per cent a rate per cubic meter to move the dirt and a rate per cent meter to do the bridge. So that is just governed by the market at the time.
So we go out to market, we get rates for plan for the rates for excavators and then we do all the analysis on the technical stuff about the earth and how much it's going to bulk. So if you think about like a cubic meter of dirt in its raw form, it's one cubic meter. As soon as you touch it, it bulks up. So it bulks up to 1.2, 1.5, 1.8 depending on the material.
So you're volume then when you're loading an excavator, it's got a capacity in the bucket. So you're actually moving twice the amount of the physical dirt that you're taking out of the ground. So depending on how far you want to move it, so this is where fuel starts to come. So depending on how far you've got to move it on your alignment, if it's within, I don't know, one k, you usually use just a little dump truck, if it's any more than that, you start to go back up to scrape the dirt.
And if you have a road in the bike, load windows on the trucks, load windows on the road to the left and now you're going to buy train responsibility. So if you're trucking down the road, it has to be a criteria for safety, the prep is the hard part. Is that when you're looking at a road being built, you think, come on man, we've laid the tar, but it's all the prep work. It is all the prep work.
There's some areas where you've got some soft soils and you've got to push all your dirt sometimes, you know, that you've seen it up in KMC and stuff out of the highway. They've got all these soft soils that have to consolidate. And the only way you can do that is by loading it up and just leaving it under time to set up and then you build it back up again. So one of the strategies that we had up there was just the first bit of the truck.
It was kicks you by pass. So any of those works up there have got really, really soft soils. So one of the first bits of exploration that we did, we did all the field, all the soft soils. And then we just allowed them to settle for two years and you could put all these monitoring wells and stuff on it and you just watch it consolidate.
And then you go back to you slide out and you start building it back over the top of it and then you do your tail map. It's a part of the, it's like a long bridge, you're a flat. I mean it's a checker sometimes to build a bridge. It is, sometimes when you don't have the earthworks, where's it going to come from?
You enter it for a long way. Thank you for granted, right? You know, you go, I'll kind of put a bridge here. You'll make a straight one guys.
You guys got a compact set and solve for two, you know, more of two years. Why, I mean, in Europe and, I said, you see a lot of more tunnels, especially big mountains like I said, setting roads and bridges and building stuff up. There's no structure. We know you can, the tunnels can be, can be all the time.
It takes a long time to build. The technology, the technology, the contractors. Yeah. Do you think we'll see more of that to connect, you know, different areas, especially, like Sydney's, Sydney topography in Sydney has always been an issue unlike say Melbourne where the mountains are flat as a tack.
So do you think as, you know, as we move on now, especially in the urban areas, they'll see more tunneling or, well, even out, out to Sydney where you might need to get from able to be, do they keep building stuff up in a quarrying land or do they just start keeping holes and going through mountains? Yeah, look, I mean, tunneling is a, is quite a special as feel and you've got to have the right material in order to tunnel through now. When a mountain starts to become so big where you can't physically excavate and then build your valleys, you then start to consider tunnels. So then there's different types of profiles that you have for your tunnel to go to work space.
So where you've got your tunnel boring, which is the round line that you see, typically on all the railway lines. Yeah, so we're trying to do it in the same change. So that profile is round. That works really, really well when you're doing a rail tunnel, because you're going to start to feel like a bottom on it and then you put your fingers, your train profile, these don't narrow.
When you start to build a road, if you think about having four lanes of grass and you have to build your road up from the bottom, you take half of that tunneling, half of the tunneling is starting to become this build. So then you're not only boring through, so usually you use different types of boring techniques to get. So the road here is we used the eastern distributor. So they've got tunnels coming in on top of each other.
You don't see it when you're in the air, you're riding it. But you've got, it's a double floor tunnel. And that's what's all done through road here. So that's just a machine and it's got a little ball on it.
And the excavator just comes through and just profiles it out. Yeah, it looks pretty good. And when you tunnel, does the materials are you turning three? Like if we've got mountains made out of rock or we've got a little bit of water, we've got a little bit of water.
It's an ideal material material. So everyone's complaining at the moment they'll work out on over the same years as we've got this premium, the material comes straight out of the tunnel. And it's not affecting what's about. I mean, you know, there's all these waste getting stored right now.
They're on to the bike. To me, I think it's going to be great. It's going to be a really great network of roads. You're sort of going everywhere.
But everyone's saying, well, my houses are cracking because of the tunnels or whatever. Is that, well, shit, it was a really just years ago we struggled. We didn't have the brews to build, but on the last one, it's been like, seven, eight years, we've really got these kind of casual, coming company on board and getting more time to be able to. Yeah, it looks very sort of a little bit of vibration that does come through these things, but they're carefully considered right.
So structural damage to property occurs beyond a certain level. And so, you know, if you go deep enough, yeah, you can probably feel it right. Just as humans wear a bit more sensitive to vibrations and noises. But it's a week of time to sit down and go something's going on here.
But it's not as critical as it's going to cause some cracks or something to my problem. But Sydney, if you think about like, if you think about like West Connects, when someone decides that they're going to do West Connects and they're going to fall through the tunnels, all of that material has to go somewhere. So then the government has to start to think about where else do I start to create more work that doesn't necessarily have to be the same company. So I can try and shift all of these materials out.
So we're doing some work out of that at the moment. And we're taking the tunnel spoil from West Higgs to build down there because it's so flat land. So we're building up our road in Baitlin and we're taking that material to go build it because it's so the government essentially just selling their own. Well, this is moving.
Otherwise, otherwise, what are you going to do when you're going to get caught? Yeah, so take a detour from your road. I'm going to be a tunnel project. It's going to be three lanes.
So for those of you, it's just not catching on. We found out that Ross found out he has a road. Apparently, on paper on the road, you're going to put a four and a half meter land tax bill in a 15 meter oil grid bill. I was like, this is very strange.
Anyway, cool. It's obviously an error. But technically, you have fun. There's no error.
The guys at all. The 20s, I've never ever seen it. Okay, if you've seen it now, we did. What would you like to pay for it?
I was going to sit there and click the $2. So, no, John, you said that's a little score. It's a little score. Did you look for a project queue as well?
I got to eat it now. It's great. I think it's a joke. It's a joke.
It's a really good job where you look at it and go, oh, that'll be easy. No. No. Every single one of them has got its own complications, right?
And look, they've got tight deadlines. It's obviously the community is really keen to get a lot of these stuff up and running as quickly as possible. And then obviously, it's, I don't want to see my backyard. So you've got a lot of the community that turns around and duck-wind.
It's always generous. It's always generous. It's always generous. It's always something smart.
And so, during that construction phase, you've just got a constant consultant, and it's all, you're keeping everybody informed. And then once it's all open and stuff, everyone's really ecstatic about the whole thing. But yeah, you know, it's really difficult. This, in our job, we build a lot of benefits to the community.
So, we're going to get some people to hate it. But it's going to be such a great job, but it's all thing each time. All of you rail stuff in the government. So, I mean, you see that they've acquired all these blocks at the moment everywhere.
It's all these new rail lines here. They're using them to put a train station on, and then they're developing on top of it. So they're putting 20-storey building over the top. So if you think about where the city's going to go in the next 10 years, it's going to be really interesting just to be leaving it on top of the train station.
So, you know, it's almost like the stuff that we see here at all international cities. It's really great. You know, it's not a small block, but it's not a high-speed train station. And they've got the shopping centre.
And they've got the half of blocks, and they've got the restaurants at the top. It's complex as well as I have. I think they're cool. A few more ways in cities being down.
Getting people from A to B, A to B, to get to C, you know, has been hard because the rail network never hooked up. Like, you could change two trains to get to your job with this computer. And that's why people kept driving. And then there's also the issue where a lot of the, say, the corporate and government jobs were focused on, you know, not C, B and C, B and D.
And you couldn't always get people to their jobs. So you got to come to the transport. So I never could have trained. I'd go up on the river.
People got to train. What's the train? What's the train? We got buses there.
We got buses. If I'd call the trains, it was like, the trains were not, you know, when I'm in the shuttle, you've been driving like pretty long. I think it was, if you were in Sydney's, East and South, East and South, East, and South, you were going to all those people. As a course of work, they all ended up working in that corridor.
Or all those travelling, don'ts, travel, and going to go elsewhere. Now, everyone else from West of Paris, like, C, B, D, was, you know, how to get to work. So I never had to drive because the trains didn't go direct to a train station even in work. Or it wasn't practical or convenient.
We got people driving to a train station, but it's no proper transport to get to the train in the morning. So that's probably the only thing I was trying to do. It would probably take another 50 years, a generational change for the next generation to embrace living, working, getting to transport, being there, as opposed to, you know, well, you know, I'm going to live in the South of Sydney, but I'm going to get myself a job in Nottingham. We found that.
Some locals, we've got busos from the northern region of the city of Brat busos. A lot of the long-term residents up there of the old generation are like, I think we've got a hard time, right? We've got my car here at Park and then we're going to be able to see how I'm starting to sit. And Park and City from Crossy.
And then as soon as it opens, bang, the best of the animals. And just people, we haven't always, it's always been an issue. I mean, traffic, no, I'm not even selling traffic. I'm not even selling traffic.
It's just, is it just because everyone might have had a car in front of me, like, hey, I've got a car in front of me, I'm going to get in front of me. I'm going to go to sports, shopping round, and I'm going to be sitting on the open houses. There's a ticking point, isn't it? Between when I should take my car, when is it going to be more economical and quicker than we go with public transport?
There's some cities in the world, like Hong Kong, where no one can drive all the bus and the car is so expensive, so you're forced to catch the public transport system. It's all about the cost of the transport system works. You can get on a train and it's a issue. We're not at the activity point at the moment because people prefer the U.C.
cars that we're trying to build. And it hasn't built the price of the rails. And we've got the Japanese rock, it's working. And seeing this population is growing so significantly in the past, you know, sort of 10 to 15 years, that they've had to open up land to get built out less, and the infrastructure hasn't caught up yet.
Whereas I feel Melbourne's a bit more strategic, they basically just say we're going to build a free way out to this area, and then we're going to bring it to people. We're making a great deal there. So they see whether it's the airport, right? Yeah, it works.
So if they come and come up to you with a blank check and said, guys, how do you fix it? Would you spend it on rail infrastructure, public transport or road? Well, I do. I do.
It's much more... It's just a stupid appeal. It's just a insane airline. You need people to be...
You can build a trail. Two trucks, yeah. A couple of trucks. Into a thousand cars.
I think people still... The whole issue then is that people are working in, you know, 20, 30 Ks from home. They're still going to drive. Because they're going to have to pick up, drop off kids at childcare, then get to work.
So only if they're going to catch a train, they're going to drive to the station. Because they're going to drop a kid off a daycare or school, catch the train or someone else, and then they're going to come home, and then they're going to want to pick up their groceries all the way home. So, but I think gradually that's changing. Because if you look at the samplers holding on, there's three new boards, big ones, they've got their own sites out there.
Within the space of five Ks. When I was in school, two years ago, I played those one boards within ten Ks. Yeah, but they're called Cogshot. You got on Saturdays.
You got on Saturdays. Like you said, Saturday morning. Saturday mornings. I drive along.
I drive past three boys. They're all four. And this is what we didn't like. So we should stop building roads and stuff on the boards.
No, no, no, no. What the guys are saying? They're probably economical and they're building infrastructure. But the thing is that you need to put really like a jobs there as well.
So you've got like for Sydney, you've got current data which is a second secret, you do. And they're building more commercial towers. And the people, those residential students have mum and dad and two kids in a community in Iroids. You know, we're not that inclined in Sydney because they're used to having at least some semblance of a backyard.
And then you've got South West Sydney. Same thing. So you've still got to get all those people to work. And all the people who are working in either, you know, even if it's the private sector, they're in large organisations.
So the challenge, again, for you guys, is you've got to deal with this right here in South West Sydney or right here. But the people are still going to have to get from all the way down there back to a job. But that's where the interesting view comes from. I think we're expecting someone to leave in Penrose and work in the city.
That's what they're trying to do at the moment is to say the Sydney CBD zone is just going to be one of Sydney CBD. Parramatteries are going to be another one. And then there's going to be another one around that. So the battery is great.
And so people that are living out there, by creating these homes, people won't need to travel so far. So as long as you've got a public transport system, the next time on this, we're in their area up to work in a battery's area to develop a commercial property. The freight that needs to get there and you have a sustainable community there. Then someone from there doesn't have to travel to Sydney CBD to go and work.
And so you don't need a public transport system to connect to. Because they'll have all the clubs, they'll have all the dining, they'll have everything in their area. And then they will be able to use these cars and stuff. But one of the things that comes to mind now while we're talking about, it's not only about road of rail and public transport, but one of the things that we're working on at the moment, we've been working on for a few years, is trying to get freight off the road.
So you see, you go on to the airport and there's just all these freight trucks that just lock up all of the lanes. And so you can think about destroying that up. So what they've done is, the passenger, the freight terminal, all down the port, that brings in a crowd load of containers that come from overseas and they have to distribute it. So the freight line that goes from there all the way through Moorbank is one of the ones that we've been working on for the last.
I've done the Kingscracker E3 quadriplication, there's another duplication of the rail which goes from there all the way into Paul Potney. And Andrew's at the moment working on a container turn all that Moorbank. So basically what they want to do is get all that freight trucks off the road. So you get all those containers on the trains, on the freight tracks, through into Moorbank, and then all your trucks and stuff just pick up.
And that container turns out all and then just be put out. I've read that there was a problem where the freight trains were using the suburban mines. Yeah, it was a danger. You tried to get that into a condition as well.
So that freight terminal down in the only port got eaten. That turns over money for Australia. Although all that stuff has to go out in its products that need to sell. So that's a sustainable business on its own.
So they've got to get freight out and they've got to get a student. They can't just park it there and keep it. And it was a long road. It's been that's not going that Moorbank terminal.
We're like, we're in the way. It's just on the outside of Moorbank. Because they're building on a port. And the residents just don't get that.
They're saying they're going to have more trucks on roads. But the containers still have to get from Baudany out to the south where Sis, or Western Sydney got. So you've taken trucks off from here. Probably getting a roast.
It's the same. It was just pushing for the city. So there was one, at the state of the lecture recently, there was one candidate, I don't know if he got much of the crime. He actually wanted to.
He's playing boards. Now, I'll be talking about Mira from whatever other stuff you need. No, I think that's what I'm talking about. No, no, no, no.
Dictatorships work. Right? We've done it. We've done it.
We've done it. We've done it. Dictatorships work. Right?
A Democratic dictatorship works, I'll try. Right? Well, we've done it. We've done it.
Only 25 consultants to talk to big with their happy about a road going under their house. So they just do it. This is probably one in every water drive. Really classified.
So trucks can't travel on it. Right. So they're going to go to the local road because that way the trucks can't use it. It was like, hang on.
So how do trucks get from south of C.V.I. called? What did he say? Bill, they're going to come down the motorway and they're going to make a right to it or they're going to make a right to it or they're going to drive.
And then they should be using the M7. And this is what I want to see in Parliament and doesn't understand where Bill is as opposed to the M7 and for quality. You're getting good. There's half of the, these are people that object to the freight terminals.
I was going to ask Red Tait, how much of it is frustrating, how much of it is important. So this is pretty, we're thorough when it comes to ticking boxes and getting a check by the next person, the next person. Yeah. There's a lot of it's driven by just the political seat.
People want to make their name around developing infrastructure and making a better for people to see me. Is there a little right or wrong answer? I don't really know other than, you know, there needs to be a wider strategy. And you know what, not everybody's going to be happy with it.
And there's going to be some people that are going to be affected. And this, not only my backyard is something we just need to start to think about how us as a city starts to operate and work together rather than saying, oh, you know, once was 30 years ago, I really peaceful, so I think we're moved from that. I mean, we've got developments that are happening around us. We've got population growth.
You know, we've read the benefits because our properties have fallen up and down. And all that's happened because of all of this. You know, if we stayed with the environment that we were 30 years ago, we probably wouldn't have the population growth which is caused the property market. It's not going to happen.
And yet, all of these stuff to go. So, it's probably a really good example of that. We're not going to allow all of these high-rise, we're going to have triceps. I mean, and just rolling the same thing in five, I'm really getting.
It's a really big deal, you know. You don't want to be really people you get out of the game. Question about from your original chat about, you know, budget. Do you go, oh, it's going to cost about that much, right?
It's $1 billion, for example. Do you get to half a year ago? Shit, it's actually going to cost $2 billion. How's it going to cost $2 billion?
Hey, look, I haven't the shoulder bit. It's not going to be like having a journey out because it's going to cost $1,000. You're going to have to get a couple of variations or anything. It's not going to be $1 billion.
No. I took one way and each way. That was an expression off the back of that. When I talk about lane, you know, you're going to have planes about the end.
It's the end. It's a simplified. How much does it cost to build a kilometer of road? It's almost 50.
It really does depend on where it is. Yeah, we really see the beginning. It's all the staff. Yeah, it's $10,000, $100,000 a million.
Are we talking like? Hold on, I think very good. How much of that? It's $100,000.
How long is it? How long is it? 40,000? 40,000, 600 million.
Yeah, it's all about one. Yeah. It's all about one. Yeah.
It's a lot of money. And then if you pick up your route, all the way to your roads. Okay, on the other hand. Well, check out the cash.
It's a lot of money. You can go up to the end. No, it's not. You drive down the enemos.
The one that is distributed. It's not an enemos. It's a tradition. It's distributed.
The other goes out to the end. And every time you hear something, you go, oh, the enemos club, they should have built six lines. Oh, I go, wait a minute. You probably would have cost a shitload of money to build those six lines.
Well, so is that? So there's a few things to write. So the government has a local budget. Right?
It's an allocation to infrastructure. It's an allocation to a whole lot of your costs. Right? So you've only got to send out folders that can tell you.
And then they say, okay, where are we going to focus on this? And the M5, the M2 might be one of them, whatever it is. And so they need to consider, it's not only the construction costs for us, but it's around, they've got to buy property. They've got to get councils on board.
All that stuff, right? And so then what they do is they package it all up and they take it out to market. This is our difficult job. And they give you, I don't know, on something like our big park.
I think they gave us three or four months to put in a submission. Usually that submission has a paper submission. This is our capability, like our company CV. These are the people that are going to run it.
And this is our price to do it. So you engage a whole lot of designers to come on board and you pay them to come and do a concept for you. And then you do the constructability and then you work out how you can build it and you put the program together. And the government usually basically tells you at that time, this is the latest fact that you have to have the spinach price.
So everybody's got the same conditions, the price on. And then you just propose a solution. So our solution would be given to our competitor solution and it will be a different offering. Right?
To the new Sapphire government. They have to sit down and assess it. But you have a limited amount of time to put together a price for a job that could go for five or six years. Or even 30 years.
Some of these BPPs that come through, you've got a price to design, build and operate for 30 years. So we've had a short period of time. All you can do is put a price on what it is. And then the risk and opportunity on where you think your rates are going to sit.
And then you throw that in. You can cross a fuel price of this. A fuel price of labor. In New Zealand, we were working on this job.
It was a 30 year job that had to do a design, build and maintain. So we had laborers that were working in U1, were costing us X. But laborers working in U5D, were working very differently. So how do you price the rate of that and then how do you price the rate of fuel with all of that stuff that comes in?
So you've literally got people who can finance and they're just doing all these numbers for you. And then that one in New Zealand was a mega job. That was a 30 kilometer free rate with multinational companies that were coming in. So do you use Australian labor rates or do you use international labor rates?
Where are you going to get all your gift from? Are you going to buy it or are you going to borrow it? We've got some of the gas plants like the Water Tool American Company. It's a lot of good jobs for us and we've got jobs.
But then some of these small companies just bought boat boats and bought them. They're only going to buy it because it was never used. I'm actually going to go before. I'm going to go to the back job for example will burn in $60,000 a week.
I'm going to use a whole lot of the people. Do you lose a lot of, I suppose, as businesses, you know, developing grow over 50 and 100 years or construction. Because these jobs are 30 or 30 years, do you lose a lot of that, I suppose, knowledge? Does the next person come in, just, you know, sort of 25 years old?
I can build a road or do you lose a little? It's quite good in the way it's all handed back now because everything's based on experience, right? I'm screwed up on that bridge next time we'll do a better one again, I think it's time because I'm 120. I can't do it.
Yeah, look, I mean, bridges are a bit more stable than that. As long as you get your foundations, right? Because all your foundations are going to be different. Everything else will pretty much taste, you know, pretty much the same.
So if you're building over water, it's going to be a set rate per square meter at first band and stuff. But, you know, with bridges it comes down to, do I have a local concrete plant that's going to supply? Or do I have to create my own concrete materials on site? Or do I have to make it?
Yeah, because some of those bridges are way out of the middle of nowhere. And you have to physically just create everything and create your own concrete and do your own mix and stuff. And then most of those bridges, it's easier to pre-cast some of your stuff, some of your beans and out somewhere else. We had, when we were working at Peace U Love, we were manufacturing our beans for a new cancer.
So then you have to work out how you get this 40-meter long bean from new cars to Sydney. So that takes, and then by road, with this road, we had 750-olden that had to carry the periods and stuff. So these guys were delivering, they were going to drive a route. So you have to go, you have to drive a route.
And these, so you've got to look at all the radius and stuff, because how do you come around to bend and around about? They usually, they get transported on a 2-car. So they've got this truck on the front and then it's got this motorised unit on the back. And basically when they come to a type N, they close the road down and they go by on the back.
But Steezer, back of the back of the rear. Yeah, the wheels here. Yeah, the rear is back of the road. Just say, say, say, say, think, I think you've got all the restrictions that you've got to be off the road by 5 a.m.
in the morning. So you're going to get to the corner and then you're going to park up and then you've got to come back again. So there are restrictions going, you can bring in. So there's load restrictions, all time restrictions, there's any more.
Yeah, you can't just grab that. Yeah, the load restrictions, they talk about load restrictions in the resident's. The other guy, the paper and other like Crayon's being moved to a resident's. And they go, this road can only take a certain amount of weight.
Is that because of the residents, not to disturb the residents? Or is it physically destroyed, cannot take on? It's destroyed by the paper. And it comes down to value for money, right?
So you're not going to desire the street that you've all made you Google Design yours. You might desire a residential street to take a full semi. What happens if you have to get a net like a full 5? It's just like the numerous stuff that comes through that you've seen.
And sometimes we work on some big infrastructure jobs where you've got to have those haulage routes. You do upgrade the run. Okay, all right. So you do that?
Because of failure or is it because of the resident having your bike? It will be like report on before we run those routes and then that's important. In Europe, we always talk about the overs and the others. You get parrots and you don't stop the traffic light because you go on the right-hand goes, I don't know where you go.
What would you like? You don't have a parabola ride with bunnies this way. Actually, you don't have to do it all the way. What else would you just do on other parts and then have no traffic there?
Oh, yeah. It's expensive. You've got to also think about city real estate too. So get that over and you're going to have to be quite some man as well.
Toonie left and over. Toonie left and over. So it's not just about the other one. And then you've got to buy the bike bike on the inside.
You've got to factor that into the price of the infrastructure and then it starts to come not feasible. Do you know, do engineers have to be car go? Do you have to have an ideal car bloody car gozor road? No.
Or you've got your parameters in it. No, it's just parameters and that's what you just need to build to. That's interesting. I've learned lots more.
I mean, we take it for granted, get your car started, just drive it around the road that was already there. You've got the amount of work and see how long it's been put up. It's been a bit of time. It's been a bit of time.
You'll bring the council back down. You'll be the man. I'll be the guy on the bike up. And then hold these guys to idiot proof every road in the surface.
But what we've learned is it takes time. It takes time. So if you want to idiot proof the road, it takes six feet to be right. Yeah.
And I've learned that in 60 years time, the high school rail company in Turkey, they made it. I know. I know. I know.
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It's been a road trip. Dude. I had a gun. I will be back.
I got the oscillator bed. I got pros. I got the controller. I got ami alive.
I've always wanted to go. Go on right and turn back and turn back. I enjoy football. You Bailey.
I'm Telescope port and you can go back and turn back, feel it. And analyse. We're Al here bla bla. I'm just impressed.
Bye. I'm going to go down. Roger Bryan. Tell me about that.
He did some great shots. I was looking at the horizon in front of the car. I was looking at the new mirror, there was a horizon in the back of the car. And I was there during the day, so I was warned not to go there to dusk at dawn because otherwise you just would have had these tangeroos.
I thought it was the same thing. It was Sam's turn. It was his roadhouse that I went into. And I'm wondering if I could get a picture of it.
He wasn't talking about Patrick's turn. He was talking about someone else. What did you drive? What did you drive?
My car. Brida? Yeah, bounced along. It was actually just really nice.
It was really nice landscape. There was just a lot of nothing. We live in a really, really flat country. Nothing in the middle.
There was no fences, there was no lights, there was no nothing. It was just a road. The guys building that road. It was actually going back to us.
I was going to ask you a question. I mean, a lot of these projects are going to go, no, do you live there? You do, you can't. You can't, but you're like caravaganza.
Damn, it's on. Don't go, don't go. Don't go. Don't go.
Don't go, don't go. Don't go. Don't go. We have a can't plan.
You're waiting for a car. It's like a ten- ELM camp. Once in a trail. But it's not uncommon to have a whole community of us.
Just going to the local town and driving out and working out. Just going to drink for a coffee. All about offices and stuff, just get set up. Remoteing.
So you take up these big lands. We just bring in all these sheets. You're creating office. and 150 people live there for three or four years and we build all these stuff and then we just move out.
So you've got your power to it, you've got to get internet to it. Wow. You know, it's a temporary office that just leads for five years and you just man it all in. It's the next round.
You're freezing and you move on. Yeah. We're like, do you see that? Yeah.
Do you see that? Well, spoken by this. Yeah. What's the point with that?
Smart gypsies. Oh, that's all we've watched. This won't be nice and sweet. This won't be 100% kilometers an hour.
It's not a boy. What, down to it? Oh, there you go. It's all wrapped.
It's all wrapped. It's all wrapped. It's all wrapped. Right.
You remember about a month ago? It was the episode was held. You remember about a month ago? Yeah.
A month ago. Yeah. All the way up to my car. I took it to the dealership and straight the front bar.
Which home? The people that we tried. Oh, we didn't want to try the zombie. The dealership rang you a couple of hours after it was picked up and said, the toby scraped your front bar taking it off the photo.
You got the car back? No, it's the car back. The next day. Right?
So it's been going on for a month. The dealership saying they saw the toby scraped the front bar. The toby saying they only do it. Right?
The big out onto the front bar. So it's taken a month for Holden to reply back to me and pretty much say, well, the toby saying they didn't do it. And the dealership saying they saw the toby do it. So you sorted it out with it.
Your problem is you sorted it out with the dealership. You sorted it out with the dealership. You sorted it out with the dealership. You sorted it.
And I put it in writing that. They're pretty much like, yeah, the dealership saw it in damage. But the toby saying he didn't do it. So that's pretty much what I said now.
This is too hard. You get the insurance company. That's what's going to happen on my name. That's the way to go.
Yeah, sure. Do you guys make any claims? Has everybody did he fuck up? Certainly like, shoot.
We're the only ones. I'll even fuck up. Yeah, we usually look. You heard of another company.
Yeah. Well, no, that must be gone. Yeah, it's not these. Well, that's all the stuff we don't.
We have to just repair it at our cost. These are with flooding events and stuff happen through our sites. Especially when you're building something and you're having all your drainage and stuff sorted. And then it dumps down the ground.
You can fly this side. You can have cars flowing. I've had a lot of stuff. Yeah, well, it's in fact, thanks a week to repair.