PodParley PodParley

#321: When do I buy more?

An episode of the WorldWide Markets with Simon Brown podcast, hosted by JustOneLap.com, titled "#321: When do I buy more?" was published on August 15, 2018 and runs 23 minutes.

August 15, 2018 ·23m · WorldWide Markets with Simon Brown

0:00 / 0:00
  • Subscriber to our feed here
  • Subscribe or review us in iTunes

Simon Shares

  • ZAR almost 15.50 early Monday morning on Lira rout. Improve to around 14.10 but now back at 14.60.
  • Chart of the Top40 shows our market been moving sideways since February between 49,000 and 52,000. fairly small range that has made ALSI futures trend trading hard, very hard.

When to buy more

 

I run a few portfolios.

  • ETF only, I buy monthly and every March I full up my tax-free and buy in one block. No timing considered.
  • Lazy ETF, weekly charts trading ETFs using technical analysis. Sign up here.
  • Long-term till death do us part portfolio. I use historic PE over last seven years buying when forward PE is below seven year average PE. Details here.
  • Second tier portfolio. This is designed for small and mid cap stocks and this is where I want to focus today.

Firstly I find the stock. Quality is important as is growth prospects and I am not looking for 'hot' stocks or sectors. Boring with great potential and low current valuations with a potential holding period of a year to a decade.

Using Santova* (JSE code: SNV) as my example.

Non-asset based logistics company with their own software based in Durban. Always been very well run as witnessed by results and strong steady growth, both organic and by acquisition.

When I fist found it the stock was trading on a PE of around 5x with HEPS for the latest financial year being around 18c (price was 90c) and dividend of 2.5c.

I ask myself how easy to double that HEPS in 3-5 years? That requires growth in HEPS of some 15%-25% growth a year. For Santova, very easy.

Then I ask what a fair PE should be for this sort of stock? In the case of a logistics company I feel around 13x is fair with wild being 20x.
So if HEPS doubles (share price doubles) and PE moves to 13x from current 5x share price goes up another 160%. This takes a 90c stock to around 335c in 3-5 years.

Maths all adds up and I buy and wait. Often a very long wait hence I like a dividend to pay me while waiting.

HEPS growth comes in and slowly the PE starts to improve and HEPS is 44c for 2018 financial year while PE is now 9.7x and share price is 435c.

Do I add more? Well I do the same math again. Can earnings double in next 3-5 years (I think it can, meaning HEPS of 90c).

Has PE got space to expand? Yes I still think a 13x PE is fair which targets a share price of some 1170c.

Now a few extra thoughts.

  • Firstly a fair PE here is 13x, but a wildly crazy PE is possible and could be 20x (50% of fair target PE). That would add another 50% potential price growth (share then 1755c). But I would only be adding to the position with the current PE well below the fair target (13x) in this case, ideally current PE at least a third below my fair PE, so around 9x.
  • As important is the question about the actual business. Has it delivered? Does it continue to offer great promise? In other words, does the story from when I initially entered remain in force?

As the story and price continue to keep playing out I keep on holding and adding.

A last point. What will trigger the stock to move and rerate higher? Sure HEPS increases helps but the PE can stay stuck forever and I need both HEPS and PE to increase. hence I especially like stocks that pay a dividend as this pays me while holding and waiting.

* I hold ungeared positions.


JSE – The JSE is a registered trademark of the JSE Limited.

JSEDirect is an independent broadcast and is not endorsed or affiliated with, nor has it been authorised, or otherwise approved by JSE Limited. The views expressed in this programme are solely those of the presenter, and do not necessarily reflect the views of JSE Limited.

Global Financial Markets Podcast by Mayer Brown Mayer Brown The Global Financial Markets podcast helps clients deal with the legal and business challenges resulting from the ongoing turbulence in worldwide financial markets. By mobilizing our global resources from multiple practices and offices, the podcast provides clients with knowledgeable and timely counsel on a broad spectrum of their legal needs. Don't Mess with Nature Andrew Mitchell Economists estimate the economic fall out from the COVID-19 virus pandemic could approach $10 trillion dollars, or around one eighth of global GDP. A letter to the World Health Organisation this week, signed by almost 250 organisations, points to a solution. A massive crackdown on wildlife trade markets worldwide. It is time to call out this health crisis for what it is - a by-product of the US$ billion trade in environmental crime.When seeking the origins of this COVID-19 crisis, we need to look less into human health, but into the collective blindness among regulators and within the financial sector of the huge dependencies the global economy has on biodiversity, and the devastating impacts on us all when our effect on these dependencies, becomes increasingly unsustainable. COVID-19 is nature’s $10 trillion dollar bite back, and this is just the beginning Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='no MULTI Casts Engineering Michiel Bongertman MULTI.Engineering is an engineering company with offices in Belgium, the Netherlands and Slovakia. We provide engineering services towards the Maritime & Offshore, Building & Infra and Industry markets. Founded in 1996 we have evolved to a worldwide operating group employing over 250 engineers and experts. MULTI casts Engineering Niko Fierens MULTI.engineering is an engineering company with offices in Belgium, the Netherlands and Slovakia. We provide engineering services towards the Maritime & Offshore, Building & Infra and Industry markets. Founded in 1996 we have evolved to a worldwide operating group employing over 250 engineers and experts.
URL copied to clipboard!