#360 | I'll Confess This: You're My Tragedy

I think we'll go to green since I think we'll go back to Segal's Playstation podcast in December 360, whooo! All around the world. My name is Tom Roy. I'm joined as always by Titan for like this stuff.

We're both wearing Seinfeld, we might want to be this one. We'll have a fucking fadduce at them today and we'll go to the terrible bit of the air. Double go vis a condo shirt and you've got a kill on each other, which I have that stick around my fridge so it's nice. It's pretty nice to see you again here.

How are you doing? I'm good. I don't know. I've been just editing a lot.

I'm working on this over a really long time, it's like only like finally recently, actually at the point where like the entire skeleton is done, and like 50% of it is is actually fully finished. I think probably that week, some stuff constantly because I'm always thinking like, I'm trying to watch it back and like, oh, I can do that line a little better. And then do it because I'm insane. But it's gonna feel like it's gonna be like, productive in a way that doesn't feel like like a syfic kind of push your boulder or a hill all the time.

Like a finish line is inside for me. It's just nice. Well, I'm happy to go with it because I did. To see it, it'll be long.

The long is good. I always have problem with things that I recorded in audio and stuff like doing pickups. Later, I always sound different. And it's hard for me.

You can tell that's not, I can never like imbibe the same VO structure that I did the time for network. It's really hard because like, I know you're talking about it's difficult especially when you're going between a mic like this and like, like live mics. Cause you have to pick up. If you're going to pick up, you have to print a port to pick up for whatever.

Oh, that's a last shot. I need to put a lat on and like probably go outside and replicate this exact environment and then do it again. But it's fun. I like the question stuff.

And I haven't really had a lot of time to do it. So it's nice to be in the grandi. Cool. I'm sure the last time I wore out there was, you're just probably one of our lat shows.

You probably, you know, use it when I was in journalism and do videos or just always running that, it was like a total muscle and everything. Like running out of your shirt. Yeah, putting it on your back. Yeah, I like either.

There we go. You're actually having a big black cock my mouth. Oh, so, my mouth, my face is about to go on a mouth. That's the important.

Right. Right. Right. That's the first thing.

It's going to see you today. Right. I'm doing okay. We have a tornado touch down here in Butler.

Wow. I heard you were in hungry down. So here's the thing. Anytime I get a tornado warning Holly's like, when you go in the basement, I'm like, why?

I kind of just want to say it here. It's tornado gets me here in Butler. And then it gets me. It's fine.

I know fear of death. Okay. So we need to go down based on what apparently it took off. Like some roof.

Like one of the like the state like the salt sheds for a winter time. So not too much damage, but okay. Chris, I wanted to ask you. So I follow you on Instagram.

So it will everyone some while show me things that either you like or whatever. And I discovered this profile. They like called, I can remember what's called the character named Marcus on VR chat. And I think this has become my new favorite like, I guess it was probably going to take talk to but I've been deeply exploring the library of the Marcus videos.

Yeah. I don't even know why. I can't explain the people why I'm so fascinated by them. Like there's like a tone to them that like I don't think I've ever experienced.

Like it's like people who are just like in the dark. It's like this thing going around. But I just stumbled upon on Instagram. We're talking about these things where after people in the chat or in the comments or you know, who are listening to this?

No, it's just like so much people taking assets of like other custom creations or like, you know, models where the games are like basically messing around them and like random serial locations. Sometimes people make it like a post-op stuff like Danny's and they'll just have people talking. And there's this thing called Marcus. And it's just this gangly fucking spindly worm larval looking thing.

Yeah. He's got great voice. It's a way I wasn't pretty sure. But like the tone of this perfect.

It's so surreal. I don't know. I don't know why it's like, right. But I love it.

There's a clip where he's like they're standing in like what looks like a haunted chapel out in like a, you know, spooky Halloween setting and they go up to them. Mark is what you're doing. He's like, I'm looking for the nearest to CDS. I have 20% of coupon per suit.

And then he like bends over and like almost like spreads his butt cheeks and away. And he's like, dude, I'm just going to be saying, okay. So like we can't see it. Look at Marcus.

You'll be able to be satisfied. It's like, it's like, it's just my friend's head. Exactly. It's very smiling friend's totally thing.

Because the guy doing the motion capture for him. He's like, a lot of people in the archives kind of have like the normal VR. Something like demands or whatever. And then he's like, it's like, it's got like a whole setup.

So the way he like, I can't, it's impossible to try. At least we sound insane. Not anything else. You'll think of it.

I hope I'm not intruding. I love it so much. So I'm going to say. Yeah, that's pretty much it.

It's really all going on in my life as a tornado and Marcus. So it's a pretty combination. You could see, you'll be proud of her set up. Like I hit me with a, I didn't even know if she really understood her new these like Star Wars or Lucas references, but she did something and she's cooking something.

I don't know what it was. She's like, I mean, I've gone too far. And I'm like, that's so far. I don't remember like why is that like, you know that quote?

That's so funny. I got a lot of shows to me. I don't remember anything. So there's that.

And I think about my life. What's the matter? Physical. Wait, wait, where's my blood test?

I'm also going to your allergist soon. Yeah, I feel like, I felt like this is definitely quite many times in my career, but I have a little blood. I just pee constantly. And this has been, it sounds a little more extreme than it is when I'm drinking.

Basically, like drinking alcohol beer. Not like, if I'm drinking alcohol beer, I might be like dries off my own. But I get it. But drinking beer.

So you're in Massachusetts for that funeral week ago. And I was drinking a lot of beer. And it turned on my whole, like I got beer 15 minutes ago for the rest of the night. And I'm used to this because as I noted in the past when I was in the college, I was talking to bars and talking to parties and things like that.

I was a joke with my friend, like, oh, I'm like, oh, I'm broke the ceiling. I was going to be the battery five minutes. I remember there was a bar I was going to be going to counter-rockins. Actually, I had a meeting right there after college when I was kind of funny.

They closed down. They didn't talk about it. You got a bathroom that's like right in front of the bars. Like even the bar tenders went in front of me.

And I was like, oh, this is always been a reality. And I was going to be like, oh, I'm drinking beer. And I said, wait, wait, wait, wait. And most of it, I love beer.

But I just don't drink that much anymore. And so that kind of way. And I'm particularly well hydrated for some reason. So it's not otherwise I'm just peeing on a constant basis.

But then it's run up with my go like, you want to go see your all of this. And this is probably before getting, I want to get a report on this before I get out of which I'll get. Which is for a couple of times. So I'm so used to it.

I don't think anything wrong with me because this is no different. But it is probably getting more severe. So I went to the doctor and she was like, do you have anything going on? It's like, it's because we go to a test and I have to be your in test.

And then they feel you want to feel on your stomach. Like, that's a particular thing they do. You listen for you. And they go to emotions.

I don't get the dominance thing. Right. Get on your back. I'm at the core of this lady.

I'm talking about how much you watch their hands. I have her heart. My hands are on my hands. You're watching hands probably 50 times a day.

Horrible. I was talking about your haircut. And she's like, oh, lady. And I saw a report.

And then I was like, I was like, oh, this is the thing. I was like, oh, I just see your all. I'm like, oh, you know, better be safe. And sorry.

And then I asked her because Joe Biden was somehow out of nowhere. And I was an operable terminal prostate cancer. That seemed unlikely that they figured this out. But maybe they did.

And I was like, you must be getting barrage already with people. I'm going to go to the office. And I'm going to get you right. No, that was the funny thing.

Days before disappointment. I was like, fuck my guy. Everyone's going to go to the office now. Because, they're old women bothering their husbands around the country to go across the exam.

And you should go across the exam. And I've had by the way, I'll never forget it. So I'm a little afraid. The guy at the doctorate, I had a prostate in my twenties.

And this was like the very thorough really thorough with my stomach issues because they're so like my issues I'm like lower body issues. So strange and they've got better actually from age probably seven or eight whole My late 20 my something like that was fuck and so they were poking a problem. You always I remember about it It's a dude. You want to be going into oh, oh, yeah, and it's a very it doesn't really Have you ever had an acetic test where they built you do people?

No, oh my god. No, I haven't had some college I'm doing what I do but yeah, I think it's a something so people probably know what it's before that was the most painful and uncomfortable That's ever happened to me. I will say the whole thing I recall wasn't that painful as much as it's really weird and like oh Like and then you just pull this thing around it's over you know He's poking in fucking feeling around so I get why men are proud of this. It's very invasive.

Oh man Well, yeah, you have the game and of course, but then you'll have the string and like play Right, so they're only I'm not that guy like I'm telling that guy. I was I would tell you I told you way more embarrassing than that I would have even if you were in it. I've doing it in a you know brightly lit fluorescent room with a stranger who went to school It's probably not. Yeah, that's why I got either You don't know the office when the Michael asked her like he's gonna get going on.

He's like, I make this a pleasure Well, I was gonna say maybe do some gay guys better into it I know you know everything guys different right different strokes for different folks who Or something like no you know I'm positive I'm positive Oh, right every time last week and I can hope you with something much longer than your point of anger That's true. We have a clean bill health. Let's move on. I wonder if that ever happens So see some that the partner would be able to tell if there was a problem in there by eating it with a dick Yeah, like all right, so imagine you just a little girl.

I'm imagining you have a you're in a gay relationship You get to really know each other. You know bodies like I'm like I'm walking by the best perfect. Oh You get to know the bodies and then you know, we're talking like something feels different right you get to go that I guarantee you that Feels different on my dick right. I'm thinking something that you really like I'm not poking on sure It's a little I can guarantee what's at least happen once right a little tighter near that he is Anybody That's gonna be 14 minutes.

I know yeah Yeah, yeah Okay Yeah, I'm just I'm tired. I'm more now. I did do a 10k walk yesterday. I'll dig up Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah I see like I see like hydras as well.

You know that lady Actually, what I actually thought she's a researcher Which I've always been curious about I remember when I was in college. I don't know the college was just It was good for them and they were very offended because I was like why one of them went to come in a fraction of I know she's a doctor what I know was 20 or all very fun by the other forget it. Oh weird, but it's like 80% Yeah, like it's good enough and American health care system. They're well in 10 or 20 years You're just gonna start seeing like a biology undergrad so yeah, enjoy all you can just have a eyes certain point being like basically women being you People in a lot is like or you picture video or just talk about how I really try to put it in a like what do I do For this first oh man, it's yeah, it's over and so and it's funny I forgot this part of this part of it.

It's what you're talking about is the literature that I really was like So it's okay if we record you with a computer because the computer ai is gonna take the notes free yeah And I was like, all right, I mean I mean I'm gonna say No take the note by hand Because the fungus came in save the day your well and then Joel say that's where we'll do that's the high-level Well, you know our doctors who are taking care of our very lives are taking ai notes secret symbols handwritten time stamps Yeah, we got a leg up on your health care more we have more integrity than doctors on this show Sorry, right right right and not in the doctor's degree Doesn't yes, it's so interesting here. You talk about the time stamps looking at all that So I don't know why first time like my time stamps be so long and then you so mine would be like, you know This video game by this person. We find the years is like we talk 25 minutes poop Just one word two words three words are the most I wonder what people prefer I feel like mine are probably a little too verbose for time stamps comes off more like a Cliffs notes right by yeah, I would rather invite a curiosity about what we're talking about through a time stamp Personally, I know that the main thing people would prefer is that we have more time stamps We already have just an absolute ridiculous amount of time stamps in my opinion compared to the most other A lot of shows would be like intro news will be been playing any questions No, that would get nobody get individualized Well, let's see I don't need to visualize intro and then I will do the topics and the news and then all the questions I know it's like it's like 30 times. It's it's it's pretty like time stamping is really easy Yeah, it is really annoying It's easier when I use it at the pockets by hand because I would just do it right as I went But then you make a doctor's then you make a Russian later and then you go through all the time I'm just like we talked about it.

I'm so like I got to attract two minutes and 27 seconds for everything and then yeah It's a really or what you put an add in and then you know, but I think you probably go for you This is what I think it's this for this point. This is like just add this to this and give me results This is what I mean This is TD and we're right the time look we'd rather sit there and Td's late right every single time stamping like have to do this weird math to correct it you mess up or we're gonna We'll get to sit in the Apollo 15 It's a great It's what you say on our review of that episode. I talked about that That's one of the cool things about the purposes of unmitigated access everything and I brought up in fall out the re on that Chris how you go? Just like the decoration of the pen and send oh, yeah Yeah, I think it's like going to show these things and they're just so funny You're right.

Yeah, I'm really gonna roll the whole 15 eating bison jerky. Yeah, you guys are ever free Nice I saw a comment on your interview which I'm sure you're gonna put him in here. All right. It's an hour long interview I saw a few different comments saying hey, this would be great time saying oh, yeah, no, it's Yes It's an interview I get it because I like time saying something like that But most of them I don't use time stamps.

I like to listen everything with the context It's always been said stop rushing through your lives and sit and enjoy something in context unknown what it's gonna be said It's too much You guys are boiling yourself. I have so much rush here on your own. That's pretty crazy It's only rough every because I don't show no way. It's rough right now.

It's funny that Nick Yeah, I know her the shedding drives me crazy. It's like the one thing that's like the gold I'm getting better. I'm a kind of like that that hair man. Yeah, I start to week But I see much of it.

It's like it's it really bothers me. I don't know why because it's not like crazy experience Yeah, I mean, it's like the first time I saw it. I knew I was yeah, fair enough We should do but we just we're not just covered in hair like that. Yeah, it was a cresperab of dashboard professionals that your hair is everywhere screening at the at least Yeah, that's just right up.

But it's pretty powerful. Why everyone knows exactly something in my mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, great song I love that Brother seems forever. That's like anything before he started dashboard.

Oh, I'm really gonna know that they are awesome Because I have it why I'm sure they're more like those two dashboard records the woman with that and then the one I think actually was before it with hands down You know, I'm a Mark and I'm a brain right right. Yeah, that's right. Jesus Christ Yeah, yeah, it's a little sometimes. Oh, my chef wanted dashboard.

I'm gonna come up and I'm like no, no, no, no It's two wine Why you know, oh, yeah, I haven't been in that heartbroken safer years But what you are that's what I would like to be really You're right listening. You're right. I'm sorry. Please don't challenge me.

Please don't I can't take it It might ever left me over for like I would live in the environment. I would never be I would just be completely Neutral no relationship. No, right. Just kind of exist outside of that.

Can't do it again All right, let's see here. Well, yeah, I know Okay, well and you were doing well as well early add free access every episode of six and all the other shows are network for five dollars a month Over a patron. I can't say me. We have 12,900 something supported right now.

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I don't know when they're an example That should as long fix for normal RSS feeds and of course every audio for the show and the fine Duke and some enzyme and punching up in Constellation and not back whatever the fails with six plus I mean pretty well say people last me or we saw interviews the guys interviews and sessions and so on conducted there for our patreon audience I just invited and you can't be had in your job on the show for an hour conversation Every Western board in its account. You think your access and the others have improved relations with Sony PR that can lead continued access to other than the company in the future or simply results of me I mean very influential for I think it was that saying that this is a big exciting and the audience is excited We hope we can get those flowers. Thank you. The answer is yes.

It's both things. I think you'll probably I think on the show He was a major drive for the conversation that and I really really appreciate that and that comes from I've said before It was really cool actually when I was in Santa Monica simply for people that know no I don't know I'm not gonna delay and I very quietly would go to lunch with me or dinner And it was only two and a half years and we used to go out and hang out You know if you was in town in San Francisco for Geez, you're gonna live there But we came to a closer that way and had some interesting conversations and all the rest end became friendly very similar to those We had game and it's funny. I became similarly friendly with Kendall Dean of course on the back and forth I'm like these are probably two of my favorite contemporary game directors, which is so strange. I become like Friends with them, but because of our so I might my relationship behind the scenes texting and I even had a video call Which is really happen with Neil months ago we talked for a long time and he's always been a very friendly decent person and Very excited about he's doing all the rest and we'll talk about those things But because of our relationship with Sony kind of deteriorating 2019 It's not really possible to talk to us.

It's just it's just the way it works right? It's that you can't work for a company and then kind of go robing just up here on a show You're gonna get a lot of trouble no matter who you are and so I was not expecting that I really tried to do because I just knew that was a possible so Neil being a Calorie person that is I think what was mentioned like this kind of needs to We let's do something about this, you know like talk and so ultimately to try to get this going He facilitated new conversations with Sony PR. I personally know it's a great song PR who I won't name But she's like being in front of everything, but That I've known for many years We haven't talked to me years and we over multiple video conversations kind of broke the ice got things out there talk about what has happened and What could happen on the future so I really appreciate that because It was really Neil that was driving for some making conversations happen and then getting myself on the show and I'm so grateful for that I knew it was so it's such a surely nice move and Yes, it's broken down barriers. So we're saying the answer to yes, you guys do different questions.

It's like will it be getting asked about the company I think so yes, will it was because Neil was has incredible influence before yes So the answer to both of us is yes, so I'm grateful to Sony. You are and grateful to Neil and it's cool to have this kind of new possibility of access Really? I don't know. I don't know.

People talking to her really random about the DC for writing how important I like so It wasn't a good press and I really got it was very exciting I'm really required the work of a lot of you and Mitchell trigger wrote in what something I think is totally reasonable wonder And it says hello DC assuming that everyone right in on the meal review. I'm allowed you to do it I've been saying thank you. I would like to take a different angle question The PlayStation put any restrictions on your conversation with him You only talk about the last one. What was that we wanted to talk about any behind the scenes of how it's like a call what we're funny about So yes, it has also yes, I had to talk about things or I could only talk within it didn't have to ask anything rather It was like key things within these parameters You throw a question about it.

You want you to but we want to talk about the show and that's not abnormal the actually the level of access that I get when I talk to people like when Mariceman came on or when I chew a on we have ideas, but I really can't I want but that's actually rare when you have handlers in order to replace it usually we're trying to pitch this thing We're not trying to talk about this. We don't have anything to say we just say we can't talk about it So it's not even we're wasting the 60 minutes that we have that's not unusual It's it's a little more unusual for what we do But certainly in the world of journalism PR and interacting with lazy media all that that's part of the course There's nothing's unsafe about that. It's like literally just it is what it is You're not gonna answer as you ask questions. So don't bother because you're on the clock It's like you're hearing there's a ring that each other or go walk in the clock It's like you might as well use your time wise so so yeah, but I as he'll set on conversation He'll back and he said he was gonna he's like hopefully the next time we talk I'll talk about interlike and And other things that are going on and he confirmed in the BC interview that he's producing the other game I'm working on why don't he's not getting a good producer so so yeah I totally reasonable question in the answer is yeah, I know I know people to have high expectations of me specifically I'm I don't want to ask all I do sometimes I'm gonna be right I think I know how to ask you questions I know how to prepare for these things and get an extractable so I'm not asking questions that are most obvious I understand why people wonder that yeah, so so there's that and It is my hope that this went well enough to get access other people at Sony and I know people have been asking to I've already about I should have put an agreement right in about like what was this in for your relationship What's my p r's getting access to games?

Because like one of the first things that came out in our conversation to just limit like what we have to worry about right like the talking in the areas in PR is like they're team It's like that's like really what we want to talk about what I do. I don't want to ask these Like I don't want pre-events. I don't want to fly anywhere to do anything with anyone. I don't want codes for games early I don't and by the way, they weren't offering that so we know about what you can possibly But we put my assumptions that they're getting access to the other things have thought enough where it's okay I probably get that's raining.

I probably could get ghosts like what I wanted to tell the audience Well, I don't put those restrictions on other people and I don't want those restrictions on these guys on the show I'm gonna continue to not accept early access to games pre games and codes preview events builds and all I'm not doing It's specifically for interviews and access to people. So I don't want I don't know how people care about that I think that's a major part of the internet I've seen some of this point and I don't think there's any reason that and I kind of like being on the two or something It's not I know that's weird for people to say I live for many many many years on the other side Where I got everything early amongst the earliest because of where we worked and it's very exciting. It's very cool You know what I'm coming extremely fun stressful and I'd rather just play could I my life 10 years ago in this end So we're talking about oblivion expedition doom mind's I like all these things that are coming out of order I want to play whenever it's like I would be so fun over one right now I remember that feeling and now I'm just like I'm just gonna play when I want to play as it comes down That's totally great. So while I understand the people that's in the media appeal to that People that have experience it is any trip.

I know that I've known to my world Immediately like when we got red dead and we had like really squirmed it to to finish that's a long fucking game I think just a long time, but like we're doing other stuff too. It's like I just So stress out even just like that one even like how we get to review or anything and I still thought it's like I'm okay, okay, I have a relationship with them with Simon's one of the major pure guys at rock star and he's always really friendly That's why we got red when a lot of win work with us and I'm sure we can get a lot of fun talking about it again It's like no, so I don't know what that's all this for. It's not like being like I kind of kind of going back when I said everything else like I really really love the consumer experience I just I think it's for the best and it gives me fucking odd you're thinking about those days and seeing release schedules And knowing what that would be like behind the scenes because when you get the game early You don't have to do anything with it They're gonna make note of that and then probably won't give you a future or you'll go to later or pure people are very stupid people they have files on everyone they know what it is and so you want We have something to say that's a video. We did this.

We're gonna show something. I still want to So don't worry about that, but yeah, so thanks to Neil really stand up person. I hate when people people just don't know the individual and And the internet is so cruel hassle They people just make such a sense of all things about that. I think you'd really say nothing for us And I want to think that I have and of course some you are specifically the person I work with who I hope Maybe listen to this in that probably week I'll be the one and I know we listen to this But much appreciated her work was instrumental and we'll catch up with her too You get to know these people over time and I do have like you do have a factory like them You remember why you like them or like why you had a friend report with them or whatever and it's like yeah, it's too bad I think so I did share how I felt to and they did too and So yeah, it was cool.

It was good and as an open show we already had to talk about something That's how I'm going so so thank you guys for supporting the new interview and I hope you'll be back So rather later they'll be up to them, but we were texting yesterday and I was telling like the response has been Really good and you know the internet pretty often. I think so that's nice And I don't know if you guys saw he the funniest thing that happened there was he got paid a guy called him during episode And then of course you came back as well and it's crazy that's like the second thing I was saying it was but I actually wish you what I was really fun idea and he really loved the idea too It was like what we talk about 10 games you've greenlit, but nothing big I'm sick of hearing about war. I'm sick of hearing about the last list I'm sick of you know all these things we talk about are to talk about different ways. Let's let's talk about Mac and concrete ging and Killzone shadowfall and resistance three and twist it out 2012 and all these different things and so he loved the idea and We just had any good stories about things and we had some really interesting talk conversations I don't know if you guys can confirm that they were working on free more SQL and a soul sacrifice Well, which is really interesting that that was even bigger news to me I had no idea.

I had no idea. I really like to go to the book No, that game. That was a case in a free name produced game. The guy who did you know father.

My man who did it rising and I was too So yeah, that's fine. What I hit him with was what we did this again later in here I mean totally what if we let the audience the games this time and you like the wonderful I feel be back to and I there were games on my list that I had a clic because I really didn't have time to do more than 10 I wanted to talk about like Tokyo jungle A lot of love for there's so many things and he just has all these fun thoughts What's interesting actually when we find my mag was like it's too bad. You guys have to bring out or like you know It's too bad. You guys didn't have to be later Right like you didn't see the future well that you had a studio that would have really arrived in this environment if you just didn't shut them down But I'm 20 of course There might be another world there would be like one of the tightens places to do it's kind of weird about just based on where it's gone But I think I think she laughed on the left.

I said they just go back. So he did All right Out patreon.com slash last name. You really appreciate your support. Thank you For all your kind words and it's cool to roll together.

That's kind of the vibe. I got right everyone fell a little bit ride Last name media dot sword for merch t-shirts sweatshirt stickers hats so on so forth We're gonna announce pretty soon something fairly major last name you know So we're so keeping eye out for that Justin running was on patreon So he's seen big ID finally happened after hearing all those little writings about wild encounters Confirm the real I missed some reason how they should be seriously I was wearing my six. I told you when I fell listen to at CD s on my own a huge shout out to Carlos You guys are helping me with my prescription. It was so cool finally So Justin Carlos knows all about your collinida diagnosis.

Oh, yeah rough That's not a situation that I want necessarily Those are any things I think I'm gonna show you don't know a cashier check because I was like a I pay my right We have like online right thing, but I hate it personally. I don't trust it I'm in situations where like oh, we can go through like okay, I'm a hand you everything right straight up from now on So I'm gonna make it out and like it was all that I was like hey, let's show like I like you have my bank information right right, but thank you I appreciate it and I go with different chase Yeah, you gotta go different to you got yourself Yeah, I think it's kind of cool, but it is one of those like yeah You want to be noticed by someone I'll assume or anything not right. Yeah, not getting your a's out there And I think preparation H at the CD s I always hope that one day like I'm not walking on like oh, I hope someone recognize me But there's one situation I want I want I've never seen with my in-laws Which no one would know who my in-laws are like that would be that would be baller. Yeah, you know You know, that's a great I guess crazy But I don't I just get recognized fairly often California and I don't I really recognize your own sort of which is ideal But I just want to tell me, you know, I don't want anyone to know my neighbors I know anything about me, which is good.

That's why when that it was a funny when everyone thought that that readers mom was walking her dog And I'm like oh, yeah, yeah, and like what's the people out there? I don't know like yeah, it's usually sweet that was like the closest home. I've ever been recognized, but um Generally speaking people don't right and I also think I don't know my meaning fans are shown So I think that's also that I we talked to all sorts of people just don't sing that I do feel people's eyes sometimes Yeah, you know, I think and you never know if it's positive Not right. That's a question.

That's a really fucking hate me. Absolutely. A lot so there is gonna be that recognition as well Yeah, you're not in Virginia. Oh, yeah Boy, all right We only have a few things talk about this week before we get in games and we lost things talk about games Of course, let's start our legs a little bit in range.

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No, I don't know. I really have no feeling. I don't know What a lot were useful for me to think about it. I don't know why you live in California for so long though Yeah, but I wasn't you know, I guess I guess I guess I'm not well I look at San Francisco which was which was a little Hispanic, but like I said very Chinese and I'm not gonna be in a brooch No, so but I'm also just not a linguist really I'm a master in English That's as much as it's gonna happen So I started thinking language when I was in a Catholic in England and French was the only option and I think that was approximately And so like you couldn't take anything like that long island I just have taking French people like why already have my tears of French what I'm like But they like Italian and Spanish and Latin and German and all these things like I think almost anything with the more useful Then French and what you can find here is that when we talk French even through college and can barely speak it so Language classes are kind of I don't know man.

I've got a lot of many years of Spanish and it's kind of the wrong Spanish They talk to me because they talk like silly and something or there's like a term for like the Spain Spanish They're like I'm just doesn't speak straight up. I'm home sometimes. I'd be like, mom dad I learned some Spanish and then they'll be like that's wrong I Give up then I was also jealous of kids like you though that could just test out I don't know if you're any friends that that where yeah, they spoke Spanish home or they spoke whatever at home And so like Haitian kids I guess he French and so on and so forth and then they just didn't have to do any language I was like that's so fucked up. Yeah.

Yeah, meanwhile. I'm struggling here. I can understand French kind of sort of if like when I hear it in the Wild so I'm speaking it or whatever I try to understand makes sense of it and it's just too fast I can pick out words. I'm just too fast I don't know if I just but if I maybe were to read it or slow down.

I probably don't find it I probably understate my knowledge. I'm a bit. Yeah, but God knows I struggle so much in college when you're taking it like a conversation Leveler like classes or in that language only two of sold my head Like I thought you had to be had to do it for your humanities. You're like you're yeah I definitely won summer to French in college because I got it This is I took that like one or two classes for like the summer.

I got it just kept it out of the way I can't have this lingering over when I have serious things like the worry about like real glasses and in the background I'm learning fucking French vocabulary and trying my best to talk to this professor. He was a nice guy. I was on the boat He was nice guy. He tried Bless his heart.

All right So we got we got really stuck on the language thing, but are you I just don't know this about you guys are you believe in the supernatural? Chris ghosts No I wish I did honestly, but I really don't I just I find there's too many good explanations for a lot of things People have said that they experience a lot of stories. I hear to the point where like it would be cool For that's like I'm really interested in that stuff I think it's like really interesting at the rules that people have built around it are really cool and fascinating fun It's fun prompt, but like I can't say like I would spend the night like on to this. I don't like no problem Like I really I really firmly just don't I just I don't really buy it because I think it's like well When there be so many ghosts That's why they're fucking impossible not to see them and why they always like the Korean I don't know It's it just has strange where like I think it's all very cool.

I really just didn't fiction that's built around it and sometimes all You know, I'll let myself imagine stuff or something I'll entertain idea just to think about it. But like I don't know if I earnestly I honestly believe in like ghosts or poltergeist or curses or like Ouija boards or I like I'll open a Ouija board a problem Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm bored again Creepy and weird, but yeah, yeah, doesn't you a religious person? So there's a people you know, so we're probably saying supernaturalism in there and you're really trying to do anything that translates to The real world So I wouldn't I don't believe in ghosts in any kind of traditional way like I don't think the dead linger on earth spiritually Yeah, anyway, so I'm not yeah, no ghosts or anything like that I do think I guess what you would call supernatural things can happen But probably not nearly as often as people think they do You know, miracles or something like that sure in certain cases, but it's not something that's like oh this guy re-brue his arm after a prior Not anything like I don't think that things like that happen anymore So yeah, I'm not not a ghost guy. I think that ghost stories in fiction are really fun and cool And it is you know creepy or whatever But as far as literally no the ghost they don't want to be here.

They're one of two places They're in place or really bad place so but they don't have any business around here I So what I think about this is I've never had it. The line is we've got this certainly in different aspects But it's not a very haunted time. I'm not about it. It's like it's like very this is true a lot of colonial places Obviously Massachusetts is extremely cool to call it to a lot of weird things happen on my own and there's also this whole notion So so adding that's a really hard on us But then adding on that is all the secret government should happen on my own and I don't know how much all I know about that But there is like a lot of shit going on while and people who are given natural laboratory Palm Island Camp hero like all these are things that are weird plus it's basically one large Indian burial grounds like When anytime there's a new development or like you it's like we've talked about how um what the fuck is a there's a famous chef on Food network But he's from Ohio any build a house on well, I don't think I'm like a shit ton of your core or whatever it was like I got a lot of people that So there's like that whole you grow up in that or if you were there you grow up in that kind of feel where people are like Oh, did you see this thing in this fucking creation this guy broken up?

We're gonna play out in this guy with a camera You're all found this and and so you kind of and it's scary. It's creepy. It's creepy. It's creepy.

It's like I was you all that But I think so I think there is something But I actually get scientific if there are ghosts in quotes, right? Or like you're in a house and you're seeing something from the past Is it not like a multiverse thing or like a many universes kind of string theory thing? I don't know. I think that Like like I was like glitches kind of in the presentation of reality kind of more so than way right exactly I think there's a lot we don't understand about reality.

Oh, I would more quickly bind something I would answer like I so in other words, I don't think there I believe that there could be a god and that there could be a supernaturalism I don't know exactly how it works. I don't think it's within the Christian I believe in the Christmas of like we thought that before about like heaven So like doesn't go to heaven. I go to heaven. I'm going to heaven if I'm in doesn't have any way Well, I think you would We don't get the all right now, but it's like my actual projection in dozens Heaven or or my like bound to heaven or Or am I able to be in all these places?

Then we start thinking about things like that and you just breath it under the world You realize well There's probably it's like dark matter dark energy. We know it's there and we can't even discern it We know it's there by the absence of matter. We know it's there by the way they behave But you can't like there's all the shit. We do not get and I think it's possible that in the continuum of space and time There are just all these things the reason I feel this way They're like you have something for instance right for many decades before people were like at least fucking crazy morons Like you know green aliens and fucking and then the government's like oh no, no, there are you a foes and it's like Like there are these things that we don't understand.

We don't know what the fuck they are Yeah, kind of the ocean in the United States is like dude. We don't know anything and so in that realm Yeah, there are things out of no doubt like I just don't know what they are and I don't think it's like a grandpa's go watching that No, yeah, that's a more about my like you're frozen and stuff like that. I think there's a I don't have to make as many logic leaps and I'm just I'm just I'm just a painfully aware of them Just the way that the brain is faulty. I think the very I the respect that like their optical illusions at all You know, like I think it's free now perfectly silly me John piece of paper and they'll put in front of you and you're brain Like moving actually right.

I don't know. I just That's to be kind of demy supplies a lot. I saw a great child. I was half asleep at night It was like sure like since I remember seeing when I was a kid, but like completely I just went very vivid memory.

I'll never get it because it's so vivid I was like four or like three or something and I was like watching out cosmos or like some kind of space thing And so like a picture of the planet. I think that point I wasn't aware of like what earth was it's kind of like I live here But I'm not just her though, and I remember looking in the sky looking for planters and I saw it But I literally saw a planet earth and I'm like whoa there it is I thought my brain was I was at the bottom of space, you know, you're child You're fucking stupid but I 100% just like superimposed with the image of earth on the like the mood I'm like my brain. I totally believe it so like so. I don't know.

I just said that was a very demy-sifying kind of experience early on I think also I don't know In New York in the night when I was like I was here Yeah, there you are watching those and they're cannery. You know, it's like I was playing It's why you know, it's just the I was a little kid. I grew up Catholic. I believe in God then I went to Catholic school I didn't believe in God anymore and then I became older and I started to believe that there was a guy that could be causing things We're so weird in other words.

Yeah, yeah I mean and these are different from God. I don't believe in I believe in these concepts of God Right, but it's because things are so fucking weird that we don't know anything that I leave that possibly open my mind no doubt Like yeah, why would that be so weird? That's what that's kind of like what I wondered like we don't know where anything came from we don't know where matter comes from We don't know like why the big bang happened or what it's expanding to a wide expansion is quick anymore like why they're rules that are universal around the entire like Rama patient will all it's like it's like weird. It's weird.

That's weird. That's weird. Like it's just weird Yeah, I don't know why they're making spin off to young children It's not medicine off. Yeah, is there any other example?

I'm probably like I know like a pop new heart shows spin off or something new heart kind of spins back Right, yeah, they had a clever little which is awesome. It's interesting. Although technically sucks because the answer is I go to dream Yes, make a sense. I'm the first time that ever happens.

That was I was one of that too Because that was my new heart like I was a little kid when that new heart of them Like from on the hotel was on and so when they referred to my heart, I'm amazing Talking about I'm new heart so Say that is but I think the ghost the ghost the ghost thing is that like I do think I live in kind of circular Or I'm I don't know why I like this word for this term I do feel like I'm open about a million ago to go to see goes But I also feel like if I ever saw a ghost and believe I saw a ghost I would just kind of assume that I was finally insane I mean so in some ways I'm gonna say firewall preventing me from bleeding because I think I think it would be more likely I've simply gone insane But then that would be like a logic like one of those large paradoxes that breaks star-chompeward like every people were just like if you're insane You know you're insane like does that make you know? I mean god, but I really honestly saw go like that ass Saw goes of someone I knew even especially yeah, what the fuck Does it yeah, well, this is just what reddit says so this is happy days is a spin-off from love American style and so I have days resulted in seven different spin-offs. Oh I don't think So who is he carried where the cutting ends the character in that original? Let's see love American styles American anthology comedy from 1669 to 1974.

Okay. I apologize So the one of the one of the sketches are one of the right Right, right. Yeah, yeah I know breaking bad Wait, what do you know? It happens pretty often that there's no I was thinking like this since There's not a reason Not really Sorry on that show in 80s on Foxler Tree's only so that would anything so that would get something else.

Yes, but yeah, yeah I guess it's not really that many no there's some other ones calling it you like the gold girls, right? The golden palace. Well, this is gold girls emptiness. Oh, yes.

Oh, oh nurses Yes, that's true All right So emptiness is the show about the doctor that lives down the street from the girls in and then nurses about his daughters Although I think that that didn't last to all and then gold girls has that the school in house as well Which was like a when they all tell you guys over this crazy business mention there is People make them run in That's what you are was that's a new heart All right Fuck I don't know very lucky people. She's whatever the fuck you want to guess All right, let's get a news Two pieces of news happen last week that we didn't really reflect on because they've happened during the recording of the show and one of them was still somewhat maturing during the show so we didn't really have a lot of information about you So those two games are two things are what have with fair games and Hayden and Jay Raymond so we'll get into that and the other thing is bungee and yeah, what's going on with the so-called art That's not so well. It is our death and what the filming for the future So what I wanted to do was introduce these stories somewhat and then get our reflections on them The new real stuff just get something that's on the matter. The timing was You know, I'm not such a last time I would say I was I was up on that I could usually have pretty good timing people long time I'm listening to a simple number that we used to record the show on Mondays and that was the dumbest thing you've ever done So we quickly moved it to recording Thursday so allow the news to mature once that happened We never had this kind of problem so the fate's inspired against us.

So here's what we talked about fair games Development at Haven in Quebec which Sony so it was a second party at first So we bought the studio outright their only IP so they were developing this now the first party game and we had reported during the show Later in the show last week that Jay Raymond the producer of fair games and the founder of Haven has left the team This is according to a Bloomberg report and it said that The team hosted an external test for fair games and I will have more to say about that ever I could over you guys I'm afraid about that than I think we should be audience But I want to hear you guys all on this. That's what you first a Jay Raymond out You have to assume she was showing the door after the reaction to fair games from this internal test What are your thoughts and what are your conclusions about this nothing really more come from this story? There's not more reporting right now except like someone I'm gonna tell you about the game itself, but yeah I wonder if I'm sorry we get to kind of build this to my question. Yeah, so I think the big thing right now that we're looking at is just the Overall maybe not complete but we'll say overall failure of Sony's live service initiative And I'm sure that so you'll roll right now is a very sketch about what the next release will be because they absolutely do not want another failure Like Concord and the thing about fair games is that even when it was revealed wasn't particularly We didn't get much we got like no gameplay in very little description about the game But we did get that clear rendered sequence and a little bit of what the flavor of the game will be like and I don't think it really With the world on fire at least not for us that it was something that we thought looked particularly great or anything like that And certainly it's had a lot of time to cook and percolate and so Based on some of the things I think you're going to share the issue of this last week It sounds like it wasn't very good and maybe a bit directionless in some ways and it really does fall on the studio Had this point where they probably looked around or like well This is what you have so far like this is what you have to show for all this money that we prompted to this game And so now they're hoping that they can potentially save the project But I wonder if at some point we're just going to see fair games cancel altogether at some point But who knows maybe there is something there that they think that they can save the one other thing I want to point out I'm not entirely sure what my whole point is with this But there's been a lot about how like man How can anyone think that Sony can can handle any of these projects after Concord and cancel last of us and I'm there is some truth to that I think it also important to remember stories like this that So we can fuck up on a lot of these things and it doesn't really matter Like I don't think there is like a conscious like oh people are losing faith in Sony Maybe in our specific bubble we're able to look at and analyze all of these different missteps that have happened But I was thinking like man if I talk to my friend Jason who is you know He plays a lot of games, but he's not he's not like listening to podcast or reading news Like if I mentioned my culture about J Rayman and even you know, what and I think Probably I need to be very same.

Most PlayStation users have no idea about this So while it is a great importance when we're looking at an end on the industry I also think worth pointing out it is kind of a small clip at the same time What are your thoughts before you forget about it? Yeah, I mean I do think this obviously I don't know to me this week's of like oh, all right Well, this is not goes planned. Um, we'll leave Kind of what it's kind of sense that I get out of it I um, I think when we first saw fair games It did strike me as kind of like exactly for now I think people maybe use the Fortnite term a little bit too literally but like not particularly realistic looking a little bit more Neon a little bit more um, stylized like I used to say you say and seem to be high-sore-handed It didn't seem to get too many people excited maybe we're curious about it, but it didn't necessarily inspire a ton of conversation as far as I like I don't remember seeing really any conversation about it We first went first of all so the internal reception being Not great is a not super surprising. Um, at least not to me, but I don't know I don't know what I mean I was really I don't know much about J Rayman, you know I don't know about like you've talked about gone.

Well. She's not very as you're not particularly She's not figured that I happen across all that often. She's a producer and yeah The for people I don't know I mean I think you understand the roles that people play in in games and they're not unlike the roles that are in film So I mean if you think about a record producer and film it's like the record kind of those hands on Mm-hmm, you know the clay is his hands or hands. They're forming the product They they have their fingerprints are all right the producer is facilitating the situation which the record work best and the team around them So they can hear one task they're taking meetings there Something from bullets and doing all these kinds of things and corralling the team and in games producers are fairly important And it's not a lot some studios work without producers for a long time most famously not on nobody's until I think After the last person.

I know which is crazy. We need to go So big projects. Well, I usually have multiple producers that lead in and so you might have so producers producers and the exact And they're really all just corralling everything keeping everything on task on schedule and so J Rayman is very much in that And I say that because Producers are like I mean, I think producers don't get enough credit sometimes like good producers where they're waiting gold But they're not the creatives and without the creatives The producer is gonna produce whatever she has or he has actually had access to so when she was a producer I think she was a three which is how she began and she came exactly She was a three was the EP that series I think she produced a set three and then she was the executive producer of any two bloodlines And I think she even coded right to the community. I was only And she also did four quite four and that role she's interesting and of course she was famous like EP I really helped drive your watch out But she hasn't done anything since then and she I would imagine is now officially for some of my product because this is just my opinion But you ever remember she founded motive at EA and then left before they released anything No, at all and then she found Haven Sony invests in Haven's product which is very game But they see so they buy the team and again She's out before releasing anything really the last game of note where she had her hands on the game.

What about the 14? so That's okay. I mean, especially that's how she has like how she got into this position makes sense in some way because it's actually was like a really big game Watch out. She was really big too.

It wasn't great Because I see a lot of people like she just got where she is because she's a track of female and all these things I don't think so guys like she did have a lot of five at some point something along the way when tragically wrong and The only thing that's certain that she's made a norms amount of money without having put anything out there And so it's a little disappointing. I don't I'm wondering what the situation was with Firewalk and Haven and also deviation in that they kind of spool those games up. I wonder it was like you reach these different milestones And we're basically in or out and they reach these different milestones like the Asian they were out they kind of post young people and started the new studio that they have going now team I left and then the others they got further along to the point where it's like now We're buying the studio now. We're not really messing it and they got to those points with these guys I don't think getting involved with Haven was all bad news because I do really think it's smart for Sony to try to get involved I sometimes just have a footprint in the gaming scene as huge It's one of them.

It's probably one of the five biggest pools of game developers in the world is in the way You know Japan the West Coast United States You know parts of your maybe and So so I like that but for this game I think their games I was really like saying sometimes I understand that I'm definitely my organization. It seems like you guys are everyone else is right all I think this game sounds cool. I want to see what it is right and It doesn't seem like I was right. So here's what I know someone play the game And I said this last week I went back to the person asking about this publicly and the person said yes So here's what I know that I can share with you is that the game was distributed in pre-alpha form visually overplay over PSN to a handful of people I don't know how many it can be hundreds or whatever.

I don't know and it was distributed as a game called project parts and It wasn't actually branded as fair games although. What's funny is that the fair games will go apparently in the loading screens so It doesn't matter what they were calling it what it was It was described to me as something like a battle royale cross with an extraction shooter and It was described as like basically you were drafted to this open city as a party of three or four players Fighting against other parties in the same city of three or four and you're trying to basically get to these various arenas with vaults in them Where you rob the vault and then kind of get out of dodge and people are basically attacking himself in some ball team base the gameplay and like the field that was arrived across between four night and the division and It was explicitly like I said described as pbpbe and it was described to me as quote-unquote super clunky and it quote-unquote feels not good I quote the play There was other things here too about weapons there's like a test of coil weapon and these explosive mines and all sorts of other things and conceptually It sounds like the idea is pretty cool that everyone's wrapped into the same kind of like metropolis And then there are all these various locales that you're trying to rob and kind of get out to get them to place and so on So forth so kind of like a more and I'm not a trash-to-your-fand also I don't really know what I'm talking about super well, but something that seems more loop-based continuous supposed to you One drop one attraction all the way to the world on your shoulders right there. You're losing shit and if you don't get out I'm gonna play full of that just my read well. So yeah, it's um I'm trying to read here Right, so the idea is like in the city people are given these various like specific buildings on the places to go to rob these People know where to go Yeah, I'm sure it has project arts and yeah, it doesn't seem like a feedback and that's really because I think that she's out because I don't know It seems like a report suggested that was kind of what was up to and I don't know if that's true That's just my conjecture, but I think fairly you know based fairly well If you found a studio on 21 school of games So you invest fully in your game buys the team outright and then spend years on it And then you have a pre-alpha to shoot a test in which people are not present it.

You're in a lot of so that makes some that makes sense to me now What will they do with this? I have no idea I? Don't know. I don't it's strange to me that so much of Sony's life service push seems to be an extraction shooters Like that's kind of strange.

Yeah, like even I guess this is debatable Because it's not truly an extraction shooter although it's based around extracting but like hell that hell that hell that even you know The idea of just like getting it going out with them, you know material's whatever like that That's an extraction shooter that I thought is extraction shooter that this is apparently like some kind of TV Factory it's very interesting strange to me that seems to be the focus on many of these As if I was an obvious north star they should chase Not no, maybe it's maybe part of the mindset is like you think about what that rail I mean there was a One or something one of the zombie based ones that then they see how she started I mean, I mean, I'm not saying I'm small at all But how do you took off and I mean was he in a game of the year and I mean stuff like that But fortnight you know take that formula and just completely like launch it into the stress here and maybe they're hoping that Well, there's something going on with extraction shooters, but no one's and of course talk off and others have been successful No one's taken extraction shooters in ancient this is the gameplay type that is right You want to go and make the fortnight of extraction. Yeah, yeah, I've got their pUBG. It's huge Blue-janky people have it for a triple a kind of polished for night answer to it Like I get it, but it's also just like it's just interesting than all of them are extraction in some way and Yeah, it's like it's like this probably I think it's a lot of glasses I guess other relevant information is that there are classes of class based each one has their weapons and their own gadgets And things of fuck around with and that you start with your party in some sort of public where you can change your cosmetics and vidings and Well, so the normal traffic so this sort of thing Yeah, it sounds like basically your draft and all wide open city other parties are in the city It's like maybe four three or four players the person. I played I talked to you said he had never played with more than Three people even though it seemed like it would be a four person game I don't know so I don't it's unclear I asked me to make more questions But and yeah, so you're dropping the city and then you go to a place to get things out of all and then you go to a place Which right but it's within the chaos of everyone doing that towards different.

I guess I guess I'm not in two I really don't know yeah, so this ride again as gameplay for night like and cross the vision and The genre being better. I'll cross the traction. So and this person notice that it feels like it could eventually be cool So yeah, so yeah, my whole thing is not known for them. What was told me is What can you do it now without making it a totally different game?

I think this is gonna be the problem there. I don't know what it is if you really start fun and changing massive things about it Then it's not the same game And so again, and you can use stress and pieces right to inform your new game You're not making the same thing. You had the same exact discussion with a raucet and just like where it was like Well, you can play for years. It is what it is.

I don't know what you're doing in a year You can't do much and if they've been working on the project for four years now Which is what it is what it is and I don't know I don't know if you can't learn They still kind of have this is to doesn't point so that kind of control or the messaging on the game is not a no-wanny and Outside of it's actually modern and these circles wouldn't even know or maybe have any things that are made and This is a small blue market goal about a pre-op test that was one handful of people played and we don't really know what more I told you probably so they still it's not awkward because they should be really showed forward and I definitely really is doing so I don't know what's happening My thing too that I was thinking is that it is Fortnite slash division s in its combat field but clearly much worse Let's say they do tune it up and make it fun to play What's stopping I mean maybe they're easy is there an extraction boat in Fortnite like we're like it practically just do this Like they add new shit to that game all the time Yeah, that's my thing It's like maybe they do make something decent but if Fortnite that everyone already is well invested in and Clearly plays will play much better from years and years of you know tuning that game It's it why would anyone play that like what's it's different? You feature other than it's like this hybrid battery L extraction chair and who's to say Fortnite can just add that and then what if you'll just Have it up. Yeah, it's very flexible in and they seem to be really good reacting So like it's not even really all that impossible for myself Feels like a playstation. You know, there's so many different experiences and some people are like kind of reading that You know, yeah, why would you try and invest in something that's proven when all your skins are here and all your stats are here So I am I am finding So like there's article from camera rumor for night could be adding extraction to your mouth.

So there's rumors about it for night I'm gonna try to go well Well, it's just too bad that we say it all the time. This is one of my theory that digital products Receipt the monopolies because things become too good or so good Well, it's not too good. Good. But so good right your amazons, you know There's obviously Google name for that people like one of the products like everything versus Apple Apple because it's monolith right these things The Twitter for four things Instagram for pictures Facebook roll people like what it all it all It all you know distills down to that and it sucks that that's happening to games because I don't want it all being for And it's cool, but it's just so it's really smart.

I've got it's just lazy I have the gamer but I guess people want to be in these these platforms like games. Yeah I don't necessarily blame them, but I don't know part of board. I guess so board with games if I can get it like I just don't get that that's fucking crazy. I love spending so much time with games But I think that's kind of anything about for night is a day It's so different from what it launched with and they've expanded where it's like Fortnite has vehicles Fortnite has a first Person mode Fortnite has a rock band mode.

It has a racing like totally separate racing outside of the cars in that before night map Like it's not just that they're making slight changes or new weapons or whatever They're introduced Fortnite is a platform in itself where they can release sub games within it So that is the thing about it that makes it different from just playing like hell divers forever Never is that they're implementing things that practically make it games within the game. Yeah, you're all the way on for a five at this point, you know With how much has changed guys? I forgot such an important key to story. No, J Raymond also with that city Oh, that's right.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I remember that in that conference them her being a Yeah, I just So she she was like he was off then she found a mode of EA. She left it before they released anything She was nominated the board directors of the Academy of the Arts and Sciences in 2018 so okay Left in 2018 to she left motive and announced that she was now a VP at Google in 2019 and then she left there in 2021 founded Haven that's right.

It was a bunch of X. That's right. It was like that was like that was like a city people combined with that We're also want to give you some people That's just people would be stupid as fuck to give her any more money power in this industry Things are no but long after she was gone and Things are well for say I mean we call that a mile away I know the rainfall that went from my way and then and then this thing It's just now that she was right. She's made an announcement.

I'm gonna do a camera before her For work at this point anymore cool. She was a key player for that so This is a few things to kind of wrap us up in the blue I'm not going to give Jason try to say anything They said we're having an incredible partner in visionary force and family videos We are deeply grateful for her leadership contributions and we're all the best in her next chapter and these folks are also So that's a great blue quote that Sony is committed to so many games excited to do the journey They know that the studio codes are now Women a woman Marie Ebene and a guy named Pierre Francois who was already helping believe this anyway We have he's all the fucking French names me so if you look at him Pierre Francois He was a he was a you saw veteran as well and was actually a production right over six each so good stuff there But he was a senior director at stadia and then was one of the co-founders of key remains the other person Marie He also comes from Ubisoft and was full-time producer working primarily on four honors another successful project out And then she went to epic and then she went back to Ubisoft apparently and then she joined David only in June of 23 So this is old and new blood coming in after the product as well on its way So maybe a good sign or a decently fair sign. That's happening, but for my contact game is not good It sounds like people that played elsewhere agree. I would imagine that this is why Jade was likely shown the door or I mean if she wasn't showing the door She might quit out of honor.

I mean something. Okay This is the morning maybe a baby time for me to go and I'm sure she's already vested. I wonder how much some papers to go So man now you said at the very top of the conversation to the cancel fair games. I just don't know I'm imagine they're probably talking about what to do now based on the feedback of the gun on this whole project hearts so we'll wait and see I don't know that they can take much more bad PR What is the worst you are just going to plug before anyone ever sees the game or trying to make a work when it's just not going to work I think that's maybe who's just go that so I don't think it came like my fair games is What does that serve just the whole game's is our mission was botched it was It always get you because the money invested differently in different ways with different studios in different heads and different creatives And all that could come with obviously different games and where we're definitely Yes, they have held iris what's funny about how divers is that seemed to be the one that was made with a lease amount of their influence That's what's funny about it is they didn't buy the team the team I don't know if you saw I really were not we're not working so so I think they'll be able to again I don't feel like if I were I feel I don't say the level of loss But I think I think they're the hell that was just managed they're doing well We're gonna find them later, but you imagine things are a little maybe they probably are happy with the outcome But the games that they tried it exert the most influence on the one's a fail and People continue to say and I understand people can go to those whole ideas was stupid Like it wasn't that's the thing.

It wasn't it was really smart and But it was executed So stupidly that it's almost hard to fathom you just naturally speaking games should if you if you deploy this many projects More than one of these stuff. Not how that was a little stick around or be like appealing to someone or like have some sort of Draw for people. It's fucking crazy. You have to try to focus up this badly I think and I just I don't know what they do because You can feel I don't play what's funny.

I mean I'm getting pretty tight games. It's not is that reflective of me one in times game I Just like awkward. I'm awkward. I'm not playing out on their games.

I didn't say so much. I don't want to jump here But it sounds like I would later do so It's not for me. It's just like what's for the health of the ecosystem and like what will court players and what the players want and players aren't me If I could get the terms of the entry, they'll go out there for that So you have to look at it through you can be my way that you have to look at it and And say like yeah, you can't extract little fifteen hundred hundred million dollar. That's a little game three times a year I survived you need big games that make you billions of dollars just period So you need and they really have nothing seemingly going.

I mean, I guess marathon. We'll talk about with unknown I suppose to fair There's horizon online that will probably be great, but I don't know that people will care. There's also horizon mo That's kind of something else entirely There's the team Lg game that's some sort of online computer. I guess and so we'll see but I don't know a lot of failures and fair games We'll see what they do.

I imagine if I were making a bet right now You would assume maybe they let us come out. I don't know but you you can write if you can't see us on Yeah, and the investment is totally I would have made such better decisions on this. I'm telling Yeah, most people I think most people make better decisions. I guess I'm sure we'll talk about very briefly All right, we'll get to the stock.

This was one that is in many ways way bigger And a lot of people are worried about it. There's still some of your guys things But there was this we only talked briefly last week because we really still developing at the time and we really had none of the information We needed but there was this notion that bungee had ripped off an artist I got what was the thing? Anti real anti really it was probably like we speak so like numbers for letters But like they're in our same team right. Yeah, it's for NT one R34.

Oh I'm back playing a soldier fortune in like two thousand obviously so what you find in people go look after like already look is like wow They really did risk myself like literally it's not even a figurative inspirational You know grafting of someone's silence their shit with a little thing I know day-to-time blotches are doing like with a lot of things that are hidden in the art still unlike the map It's like really logo right. It's that and this isn't the first time bungee has done this It's like the second or third time bungee has done this. I don't know if it's just their culture or the fact that they contract a lot People would like to think about those things but you have to trust people you're working I don't think anyone there thought you don't think you're gonna get away with something like this So you obviously put a lot in your game someone's gonna notice But still the buck stops with someone and bunch of you wrote a Satan saying quote We immediately investigated concern regarding an author as use of artist decals and our dining firm That form of our art is included these in texture sheet that was ultimately using game The issue is unknown by our existing our team and we are still reviewing how this all occurred We take matters like this very seriously We have reached out to empty real discussions and committed to doing right yards as matter of policy We do not use the work of artists in our permission I will the revenge in our issues in the future We are conducting the order of your in-game assets specifically those on the form of your art It's an ability to check the document all our distributions We value three of the indication of all our decisions and we are committed to do right them Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I was thinking for some we should do maybe even next week I'll reach out to decently Gary my old friend I did a video.

I don't know if you saw yet Yeah, we're talking to you. I have to watch the rest of it You did it. I wanted to sit down and maybe see if you want to come on we can have whatever else I'm trying to go over this up because it just seems like Bungie is in a death spiral actually in some sense to me. I wonder if you agree and I know I think that will probably come out But I I just they really seem like they have no good willing work and without people willing to spend money and time with yourself and respecting you It's not gonna work.

It's such a way you employ that many people so I really have to know what you think about everything that's happening Like well, yeah, I mean, I think it's ridiculous that it's so blatant. You know this uh this former artist I believe hasn't been through this in 2020 as far as I've heard as far as I've heard but like it's still like dude It's it's direct decal work. I'll type of typography stuff That was just straight up on Indian as I think in the logo even even artists like logos in it So this part made no attempt to even hide or You know transform it in any way. It was just straight up standard.

So this is straight up this Artist thing it should be this I believe this is the first time bungee in-house It's on this like a lot of previous players like the previous players In instances came from contractors or specifically there's a nerf gun collaboration that they were doing really looking to design and Like some other merch related things was a third party, but this is like first time. They're having as far as I know This agreed just looking from in-house. This is not like oh, you know Stop on the race kind of like. Oh, how could they have known?

This is like this is a problem very clearly and it speaks to not only a problem with They're you know their system of vetting this stuff But also the kind of the culture that they've gendered where like who the like why would somebody get a job that you do this so Flayingly and then we like you clearly don't have a great system in place if it got through many years of our passes And to be fair. I don't know what that process would look like if I was working at studio and I got a you know decal sheet from an artist I don't know how immediately have to assume that was stolen I wouldn't know how to find out if it was without like putting on putting every bit of art that I've ever You know approved of on social media and asking like hey is this stolen I don't know how you about it really but the book out something I stopped and I'm saying for years You can go back and look at every time we talk about g their leadership has been horrendous for a long long time The fact that they've even made some of the best games ever under though that we just fucking crazy like I'm gonna You know, they're like hey guys like on some at all the goddamn time. There's like there's no strict people don't have like actual positions Until they just decide one day they do it seems like very dysfunctional and just organize and so Yeah, man, this is fucking nuclear in my opinion And I don't I don't want to overstate it because I do think I get that like the entire And I'm secondly might have said it's not put over. It's like I don't think entire static games are tough I think this is very clearly like wipe out like if you don't like wipe out You know what this big silence.

It's these very specific decals which are like a handful But numerously like plastered rep again. It's enough to be like how you how you let this happen You've got to fix this but now bring some question like what else is what else it puts all game on to this live What else is not from you? What else is like lifted from like some artist who either doesn't even know that they've been stolen from yet or a It's just me get to point it And I know I don't say I really think I was already on the side of like now I'm needing the label for this anyway because I do think as far as I heard it's been like rebooted Or it was like rebooted about a year and a half ago or something So like I do think it needs more time anyway, but you can't I'm of the for opinion that you cannot release this game this year In this you know like in this climate at all regardless of whether it needs it later not like you need to either gain some distance Make things right. I don't know what they're doing with this by the way.

I don't know what the if there's been a green or what but That already seems to be they got to write this art. It's crazy. It's so egregious I was told by someone familiar with marketing plans in a key overseas market that there are now no plans to do pay marketing for not at all I don't know if those plans were affected by What does recently happen if that was always the plan or whatever but this considered a fair unusual move for a game of this high profile So that's interesting Before we go for the day you want to write your thing about this What do you think about what one g is art that I do agree with what's saying? There's a certain futuristic future corp kind of aesthetic that wipe out Really they start that is a designer's if this is probably I think is like right people who are established that's island It is all over for sure, but it's one thing to take in relation to our style and like kind of repurpose it And it's another thing to use fucking assets so infilliter Right.

Yeah, yeah, go good. Yeah, it's definitely I mean I was saying completely egregious to the point where I am looking at the posts from the original user anti real where it's like Yep, that's just somebody took that asset in Photoshop Lifted it and then put it in the game directly and yeah, it's not the entire visual makeup of the game What I find kind of interesting is and I knew I read this this is from a PC gamer article where People had pointed out that The user anti real was followed by marathon franchise art director Joseph Cross and other and apparently enthalpy noted that other bungee artists had followed her I guess it is Possible that maybe they didn't realize it because they probably followed a bunch of people and look at all the time for inspiration Not copy but inspiration, you know Yeah, and if I wonder how you even set up a system to verify It's I guess it's like you got the higher people that you don't think will do this But but but how do you make sure that all of the assets in a game that has thousands of assets are all verified original? That's a good question. I don't I don't know how much the art director himself is at fault as we've been saying the block I saw with somebody but I don't know if you guys saw the live stream that they did shortly after and this It's a great thing broken.

It's really it's so sad because things like I saw that too Like it were following this is artists and I don't know if you guys feel similarly to me But like I'm in the mind where it's like if you're in a seal art from an artist Like intentionally and on purpose like malicious like I'm gonna take this art and we purpose my own use this for the game I would almost delete every like if I was trying to do that I would absolutely unfollow the I would have no trail at all with that person because why I didn't want to fight that suspicion You know, I mean like I really get the sense that like I don't think this I'm just across new it is responsibility I'm gonna be able to get the use of verified that shit So I think from a company perspective like he should pair responsibility, but like personal no I feel bad like because there's no way he knew I don't buy the new Another funny detail about this is I did find someone pointed out anti real in 2024 posted I hid loss in my design six years ago Nobody caught it so if you don't know the loss mean is referencing Is it any payer Katie a penny arcade comic and involves a woman having a miscarriage that got me and endlessly? But you can see that Hidden meme that anti real made it on like a whiteboard. Yeah So it's like even that was copying. It's like man.

It's ridiculous. It's bad. I Want to show a little bit of race like people in about to like you're saying that I see I watched the other three I'm actually already like the art of the art of the art of the art of the art like you saw ghosts and These came for big they're complicated There are wait their systems approval and things get ingested into tool sets that can then be deployed into the game And so you just assume as designers are placing things in you know and doing things You just assume things about and been vetted into your turn now to execute on what you need to do in so It's just kind of let losing trust every link of the chain and it could have just been a mistake right like I do allow for that I could have I guess been a mistake and three say that is I don't think it was but the reason I say that is a great column reference But you you just don't and that's do three alone But you just don't expect that people have to do the right way to do the wrong way that you guys probably remember It's a little bit of story like the rockie's in the tree on 19 on three lemons Like 13 thousand boi a dear there's a song they should ever go off on and It's a lot of people have a small crossfire you can read about it I mean they did take the song for someone what but they're like what happened was we have like these tools on our computers Where we have a little like a par if or things that we just we just court in order and that just got like that Just kind of just into it just all the hours and I believe them three say believe them because they have 12 other records Where no one ever he's like why would they just steal someone shit and then and then this song is already published That sounds just like it was the same part of it and they were like totally trying to hard-line all the rest And I believe that there's a mistake made along the way But that's why I bought that one geez experience and passive doing some weird shit Might be more relevant all the things that are having in house But you start kind of squinting a little bit more when you're well of course They're pipelines completely not it's not functioning right right so I want to show a little great That like mistakes do happen and like people really make horrifying. I remember when I was a writer I guess I'm so right but I would be horrified that I was saying something exactly way It's something I read but I didn't realize it never happened right, but I was always horrified about that Oh my god like the worst possible thing you can do is think you came up with something or have some sort of mistake about the problem That's something and then you put it forward your own So there's possibly that happened, but I just doubt it and I will be very interested to see what their audit says They'll even really publicly what the nature of that one is Yeah, exactly what it was and said sorry Chris But it's time to recognize how a bunch of you is the new buy-aware What is much you don't want talking is there's some sort of old-in standard studio I thought that's neat to was a cheap order land copy that poor console performance up to CLC They got factions to both the player canceled and how and now have involved yet another playthrough scandal It's time stop glazing studio who's last the game was in 2000 settings.

That would be a little bit I don't think that's that's crazy Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, I'm that right plus. Yeah, that's why I consider that a Hallmark game and I it's not really game for me, but I don't know that I agree with you That's yeah, I mean, but what do they don't recently? I think it's a big question sure and what is the nature of the studio and do they deserve this effect? I'm very pretty cool this actually since the reading so I have nothing new to really add I've already said I'm crazy about sex aggression here though.

Yeah, I mean, I think I like bungee games because of the way they feel the play I've I don't really care like I'm interested in the studio because of that, but like I mean Do like you go tomorrow and you'll be like oh, that sucks. There's another thing to play No, you're gonna be a bummer. I guess for like exactly 10 minutes, but to me I don't know the idea that like it's like a file shape. It wasn't crazy good or that doesn't do wasn't this huge thing I don't think you can compare to pie-aware that had free from the ground up failures Back to back to back.

I think it's like it's in genuous comparison, but there's no question again I said so many times I'm distracted that this the bunch of leadership has been just a disaster The best thing because I'm not single. Please go ahead. Go. There's like there's so many developers on the team We're just like dude we race in turns about marathon speed PD focus really on and the higher I still want to hear it the you know the developers there.

I truly believe no really the best They make some of the best you'll never even marathon, but it's bare bones. It's compromised and it's poor as leadership has been on that product It felt like it's a dream to be boy. So like that's why I think that studio is there's a special sauce That's what management that's been there since Halo 2 by the way damn year is just not part of it Like I think the studio successes has been in spite of that leadership, you know, I think a Don't know that's too hyperbolic or too strong, but like it's very clear that even in house No one feels like you're doing the right job or no one feels like doing it. I mean do Jason I'm talking to John's really everything he's like on the head of that studio every story I hear like guys that he's on some out of the way he's like there right there It's never there.

So what's what's he's going on? And that the decision to make marathon attraction should came from higher up and then all these all these things We're like everything that's wrong with bunch of games seems to come from everything that's right the way that feels the way the Combat works the way it looks seems to come from the depths even to the point where the way things look is now being compromised By the way things are being run. So I know simply the illusion Yes, but like this is a feel-by-play and probably still are like second-class. No, but That's the apple's largest That's like the beginning of the situation is it like here's this unfortunately very time people develop To make a great fucking feeling game that are led by just some of the least The dumb people where we talked earlier on the episode about how it feels like the average person can run a company or make better decisions than a lot of executives see the able to yeah, and no situations.

I'm working here I think I think that people begin to believe their own hype and yeah Stick around beyond their usefulness It's a bit of an aside We've got facts and two multiplayer cancel and I'm kind of like well Maybe sort of but I don't think that they're the ones that we should be five for that like bungee comes in I'm assuming this is what it was like because we don't really know but it's like bungee like hey We have experience making a live service multiplayer game This is what your players are going to expect from you. Are you ready to do that and no you don't have said no about no? Yeah, I just this something I commonly see brought up is like look at bungee Oh, and maybe it's true. Maybe that is true But I just am not ready to bury them for canceling the last of us multiplayer when clearly that was misguided from the beginning If suddenly not your dog after being told like oh wait, we got to support this thing.

Yeah, maybe maybe there's a problem a long time Yeah, I'm kind of the mind and make honest more about this because it's a little close to that situation But like I'm kind of my base on what I've heard about situation a bunch of canceling or canceling or canceling last was exactly what I'm talking about how like it seemed like and yet even no y'all gave to think about this Like we're saying like we don't understand you like be undertaking it Yeah, that was what Or statement canceling it that's what I think yeah, and to me I kind of feel like I believe that because if they wanted to if like they're from your studio I think they wanted to if they wanted to hate listen to live service thing isn't working Can we just put out? Like a I don't know just a standard rudimentary like PS regeneration style, you know one off kind of junk food multiplayer mode I believe they could have done that, but I don't think that's what's only wanted I mean so he's very clearly chasing this. No, we need something It's like very much guys. Well, we're not gonna spin up servers and it makes something that's not what it can take you I person that's my read this situation because like as their producer I think they could get away with pitching something like that if that's the route they want to go But it's very clearly not the route that's looking for there looking for these like service things Especially at that time to swallow up and potentially make fortnight for night night They're not interested in the one off, you know death match multiplayer thing that we used to get all the time Another thing I was thinking about that common part your interview with Neil when it's a little part of it This is the part that some news outlet to pick up is you asked about more less of us and Neil's response was like I don't want to do anything unless I feel like it's worthy or of quality because everything we've done with last I'm including a theme park attraction.

We've done the absolute highest quality we can do so I want my theory I guess is that I wonder how much Neil was like when they were like oh you're gonna if we want to do this Now you know you're gonna be bound to this or they're going to have to get external teams to do it and Neil was like no Like I will not relinquish the last of us to another team that I don't have total quality control or not y'all has quality control over So yeah, yeah, I think I think it's I think things boutique things like that mean remain that the highest quality two things by so I think that bungee Health open no size is something real about the contractual obligation Let's say what you all you want to do something and how that's gonna consume everything that they do and if it makes choice and That's bad Higher up above no I don't know a direction to allow it to be put a position like that and have to have their eyes open by another team Maybe one of the few things that might actually work out only in the end depending on how we go We don't really know the thing that's frustrating about this is I said I know people have played it and it was great according to them and it just frustrating When you hear that from people who you trust and know and they know I mean You hate it shut it up on the first time we interview them if you go yeah Like he played it and right wasn't on the show. I think that was it. I don't know what I'm pretty sure I'll talk and then I heard that for people too And then so you see something like concrete come out and it's like, you know It's as normal like so you hear about fair games not doing well. So you fucking have something like that Decision that's that's that's also the mention what you do.

It's just like I firmly believe it like I think you could put out Something like a glass of a multiplayer and not even really support it. I think you just like hey here's the experience It's like seven after whatever, you know, it's that the core gameplay loop is here have fun And I really believe that that would work pretty well. I don't think you necessarily need that like there's an we're adding a Bicycle to the last I don't think you need I don't think you necessarily need that stuff You do if you're if you want to make it grow and you know have it make a shit on the after after sale Which is I think ultimately what's only once and so they're not interested in spinning that off I firmly believe it like yeah, I assume a player would and sick and it didn't need to be like this I agree with you. I think we've we've not that it has incredible my players But I'm pretty sure Factions on ps3 still going I could be wrong about that nonetheless certainly on ps4 So and but people are starting to throw it so and that was barely updated after launch with the exception of a few things And you know few new additions and people still love it.

I think sometimes like monopoly Yeah, you know like monopolies as ancient game comes from another game like the rent game or something It's just fun. You're really every time you're trying to get nothing more. It doesn't come funny It's just fucking monopoly. You just don't have to use playing over yet.

Yes. Yeah, if it's wrong I think a lot of companies and like I was just look at is there like man people are spending hundreds of hours on this game And we haven't made a dime, you know, I've never made a dime off that 100 hours right outside the initial sale And they see the alternative where like well rather for that's great written in billions on GTA online is making my hand over fist every every I can day I think about that with a massive collection and so I don't think the master collection is probably coming to play So like I think they're gonna want to remake their own one folks on that halo remake or because there's no monetization in the match You collection after the point of sale at all and that was on the station community at point where they really need the lagged Will and it was like all but they probably look at that in my brothers five things in this There's five games that people are playing still to say like I can still come on that on like on a console and find like a big team battle game Like minutes so people are still playing the shit out of those old games and not a dime's being made and they see that is undoubtedly opportunity Constance you know, it's like there's so many game hours being spent our games. We're not when we get out of that Outside of not spending elsewhere. I guess I don't know.

It's not for the current landscape that I wish once again, but it's Darmar dinks wrote in We have to get interested right all coming together What if they could say it's a good sense? What else going on with bungee? I know this has been a frequent topic previous podcast So we finally think about the C3 trash and a lot of you thrive or it's unique for them That's an epic review release today talking about this management report level and how the developers are now speaking out against Toxic practices and company there's 20 adults on this you well and have a great more than we end as a PlayStation fan and commentary obviously from the very beginning of the deal and people who I can find what's in the old things They want but I was pretty skeptical of this deal to buy bungee. I understood it from a certain perspective You absorb their You've ordered expertise you kind of make an aggressive play at a time that money's fairly cheap to borrow MNA's fluid other people sitting around interested in taking away from you and they've been great partner in so forth So like it wasn't totally mystifying But I felt like it was extremely aggressive over the time that was very unsony and didn't make a whole lot of sense Based on the way that they typically do things a lot of people were made funny for many years It's really something I was a drum I beat over again and I'm sure people are talking about it But you got to get organic like organic growth and doing slowly and deliberately and and you can't skip steps or facilitate the speed and some relationship that takes more time to develop and honestly the bungee acquisition along with the haven acquisition Along with the firewalk acquisition has absolutely ironclad reinforced what I'm saying into what I consider a golden rule of Sony and PlayStation It's like how badly this went?

Yeah, you talk your time and you dance very slowly with how smart and in someiac and sucker punch and no I'll get and then you try to rush things you try to you try to put rings on fingers before you really knew we were marrying you Try to cast me at the marriage and do all sorts of disgusting things And I'm like yeah What do you face? You know you're getting because they're not part of your culture and anyone who argues that that was like a wrong or misleading sort of line I mean, gree is looks dumb as fuck now Because like three for three none of them work out at all And one gee to me I just don't have a lot of respect for the company. I want to I want to talk to people to try to decide for the games I come out but they've always been a mealymouth Like strange Holier than now kind of companies that they came off from they got how they got away from Microsoft Then they kind of held it held out and were like we'll do more games Let's go then they let go to Activision and they have a horrible relationship That was just take that scene go and then they allowed themselves to be bought by Sony at a premium and tank themselves It can't be it can't be Understated how expensive this move was for Sony is not Microsoft There are nowhere near Microsoft in terms of money. There are nowhere near in terms of many of the companies in terms of more You can't three billion four billion dollars a lot of money.

It's more than they spend on every other studio that they have ever purchased combined and they got nothing as far as I'm concerned nothing maybe something will work out to me out G That's I got it before right the other team. It's a deviation. I think So this is the way that they've done things like I have more faith especially Dark out lowers like we'll just take you guys will take maybe your project and we'll just like you kind of chill amongst The Sony culture and like cook for a little while team out G I think is making the best out of a really bad situation by saying yeah this game might have some problems I guess it's a normal thing and this game might have this mobile so it seems like maybe all right Let's see what you can do with it But replacing the leadership That's a bunch of eliminates the purpose of the purchase. I've said this over time That's you guys remember when I was worried about originally It was like if the values really a bunch of leadership and what they know to do then we have to make sure these people invest very Because and that might be where the amount of money came from where it's like we're gonna vest you slowly But you're gonna make more and you know Three years later once I can meet guys the fuck out of here and that's a bad sign for the quality of the purchase right We're like can we speed this up?

And it's like well if you buy a few months you without the old people there that have been there for a long time You buy a studio of confidence, but you just spend like almost four billion dollars on this thing like you were eating shit completely And this is why I started saying almost immediately I can so need to sell this thing and get out of it And now and like just take a loss now they try to do that They would lose almost everything I would assume that they spend on so now you're really in some kind of I really I really The full to do it always they just like I think I think I think just a billion dollars and sell them I guess I'm not idea you make that much money in profit in a quarter So it won't take you that much to like just be done and now they are deeply invested in something and So he's not even alive so it's not just about the purchase of company like companies I saw they have they have that doesn't do is to play bases the client and they like almost a thousand people working at the studio and marathon is Plus another game matter or is that different or was that I think I don't know like that was really a long time ago I think it's possible that merit like matter of all the into marathon or it's possible But like it's like I don't know what's going on with matter. I don't know what I know one time I'm seeing matter is a canceled bunch again. Yeah So yeah, it's a it's a disaster. I'm genuinely the mind.

I haven't got the whole time that it's the value Is not really illusion. I think anybody in that every single and I think we've been at the long time I mean like literally the people in the city who have just like made every single possible wrong decision on this on and got really really good Middle management positions or middle middle people will be probably it's for some for just really super reasons There's a lot to go into that shape, but a value really people making stuff because the content is great And that's what you want like I believe anybody everybody either the lowest ones in that studio know how to make a better life Or the one than the ones that Sitting in the in fucking like I really can't stand I can't stand it, but um, there's no doubt that it's been like a complete disaster You know, no shadowed out especially now with like just like now this is played on just like brother Dude, let's cook and if you don't do something drastic. I think full on delay for this game I think a complete shake-up of like who is making this is the topic is clearly it's not working And maybe maybe my husband maybe I mean Maybe You know Yeah, but I'm Completely I'm very disappointing but yeah Just a place in fan and someone who wants to rate first party and second party content that three four billion dollar investment between the acquisition obviously Besting everyone in bonusism and then the money that's being used now to keep the studio going It's an opportunity costing how cool the way that's only to deploy that much money is I mean you're talking about 10 last must do level productions. I'm not saying that yeah comes with my words.

I'm saying that money about an investment ten times and If you really want to be fair and I want to be fair and argument about them That's like that money could be invested in just totally different. We'll bring some of which kind of work out Why do they not work out almost ever it's at some point you have to look at your own culture and Sony has never truly had a finger on the Blick pulse you know I think is what I was talking about you guys again was was even when they had their finger on the pulse I'm like they did so calm which they did like so calm is a seminal online console game and series Like like like do things like yeah, we're gonna do single-air games. That's okay. That works for a little while But you just you were there it's a single kill some where it's like you were kind of there But could you do something with it?

I don't like to try to do also Yeah, the internal player is what's fun. It's just from that perspective this point. I don't care about their money Like it's money so money so money but I can't wait to employ the way to the wake of the wake of enrich to the ecosystem and For as much as we have played now, I really really play about personally. I'm I am Indated with a new play you know quality of play it could be a matter.

So they're very lucky that Microsoft is really messing up and I do wonder the way Microsoft looks at things now me We're making money on my way to the world kind of helping them at a time where they're actually someone vulnerable Maybe you could have projected that they would have been in the decisions. It's hard to see yeah, so really All they've been considered. It's not so bad. It's just it just makes you wonder how much better.

They could have like a gold-made really in some sense if you If you just put on me Let's exit as we talk about marathon itself time boys run in abuse. I don't know. You I spoil boys You always use yeah, hey CC with a recent 12 bunch of marathon I yard ceiling PV being caught in general this air You think this will be the last game they will release before they're gutted any further or can they just leave the right direction for a $1,000 after kind regards and I say this is what I want to ask about the emergency with marathon is It does seem that this thing is not going to do well because they could execute I know it's like you like the Chris. It's generally been mixed I think the response to the test and you have all this contrast around it and people just really root against things now and kind of pile on things and Little things and I'm saying a little thing but small things come bigger things and it seems like this game has a lot of I'm not doing energy against it where I just if I work in this game We're putting out our Sony budget.

I think this game is serious trouble regardless of what we do And I don't know we can do to save it I think maybe the best idea would be to indefinitely lay it and go away for a long time and come back in maybe a year or a year and a half and hope and Have some sort of contract messaging and really smart marketing and Yeah, we heard you and we took it seriously and we really spent time and energy gets right and we really want to see We work on looking how different is like, maybe that's the best bet with that gets you in a small South East land where it's like we're gonna have to spend another hundred million dollars on this and More aggressive and I don't know. It doesn't seem like it's a good way No, especially this year like I think with with time and like I do think with like a proper audit and with some proper messaging because I do think I know it well We were talking about a couple weeks ago that the down the five came with five eight months and the prevailing competitor at the time It's like 20 to 25. I do think what we saw in the out was more true without like a genuine like baseline There's more there's more there's more than they're letting on and their typically is to their names Even destiny the rate was kind of this kind of little surprise and that really the rate itself shifted the sword Decentile and I think possible there's something like that here, but there's no question the climate right now And even just like the Google students in the shitter because nobody believes not necessarily the team But like like what are the decisions being made here and what these developers that are speaking out speaking out about It's almost universally about how developers not listen to when he raised concerns about like hey listen this cool, but we're bungee Why are we not there's there's no decade of PDE experience here doing people are going to expect for us I really do believe like if the man that out came out as it was, but we knew that there was a pd components of the game They're the damn near no problem. I mean the art thing would probably say but like they're such an important far different than what we're seeing And as it's noted in this writing like that pd was cut.

I think it's crazy This video that's built on almost primarily on pd actually like going back to early games or obviously pd and then like a little They're not like a huge but like people came out. Hello for the sort like a lot for the story The point where like the sequels are like the new studio to go watch it so bad that we cares anymore And destiny was so pd centric so like don't you want to onboard some of the people from your existing fantasy? We like what you do It's just strange and they're messaging some strange about it too. It's just um It's just not good.

I think I think I think that's the word this thing And they're gonna need a serious overall if not just to maybe showcase what the game is better I think just to delay and put more time into the features that they know for fact They're not going to hit for launch things like no proximity chat in a track It's like right now for launch. Well, what move the launch up That's nice like if you can't get proximity working your excitement. You're the wing till you can bear minimum. Mm-hmm I just I don't get it.

I think I really think it's wrong I think a year and some change would be good. That's a big that's a big that's a guy. Yeah No joke so I don't know personally right now I thought that I think he art stuff really bothers me more honestly because I just like I don't know like one of the things I like about me is the way that looks and the style and well, I do think that Like a 98% of that game is probably original authentic. I don't know that anymore and that really belongs me out I don't know if I'm really like you're playing like I'm knowing that I know that's like maybe artists who are being like completely I think the only thing that's clear to me right now is that they got the right part of the fun very better bare minimum I don't know what that means because it's all people being like they should hire the artists It depends on whether the artists would even work out with this bad Conscripts a labor as a bad.

It's also like a really bad idea like in terms of that I would imagine that the artists regardless what happens right now. I'm very actual Oh, yeah, and so I work for them. You should just get paid for the way I'm sure there's like I was a lawyer. I'd be like yeah, well, that's right because I saw you real person said that he is a sheet right One that she doesn't have the means to hire a lawyer and I hope that many lawyers not going to work on this for you It's like it's a slam-up.

That's someone very Yeah, so go work for that go go get a million dollars. I don't know Something from them for yeah, I would I would have you like this is like the most clear cut thing I've ever seen like it's guaranteed Regardless of it was an accident. I'm sure not from your I got it got in the game. But regardless you launched a public alpha with it.

It's in your advertising. It's you can't take it back The thing that is particularly just although it's not placard it's not the core design of the game But it is the core design of a lot of what the ARG was not much is certain like the local listen bowls and shit Like that was her designer like what seems to me on like 40% of like what the ARG was or at least it felt that way Looking through like some yards. I'm doing this entire likeography of the ARG. It's crazy It's a good game.

But like that's a lot of people's impression. Yeah. I wonder what's it Like they like they walk for her because I was gonna have to tell them that was you but it's like you change her Do you like license it or I don't know? I don't know.

I'm of Yeah, I know I You stole in your licensing for the first year. I'm like what I changed it and but then it's you change it and the Maybe people don't like it as much. I think you can change it and not lose too much I think what was so in like in the game was there decals and not It's ridiculous. They were so in the first place, but they are smaller decals and had loss on a whiteboard Like it's not super necessary, you know, so I got to easily replace that stuff It's just man.

I went through the mind of a guy who did that like did you do not think you're gonna Know who submitted that he can't like they must they don't like holy people trying to do it It's like some sleuth that based on like the data. They said that he left in 2020 You're probably I'm positive anyone anyone Anyone's figure out who actually is because I would imagine that based on I don't know those people signs But just all the documentation design all the trust goes to that guy members control. Oh, yeah But you know this also speak highly right It's like the fact that somebody's willing to do this at such a big studio Speak to a level of disrespect for management. That is like fun crazy Like you're literally like fuck these guys, you know like active way at that point The steel shit and then submit it like yes is mine by like that is so religious It speaks like yeah, who cares about it like yeah get in trouble and why do they feel like why is that?

Yeah, yeah, this video. I see like working at you But this is also why I leave open the unlikely event that it was truly an accident because it is so brazen You know that's like was it the real across my situation. Oh, we just really did make a huge mistake based on if we said before that games are often Picture like oh, it's like the game of thrones and the Simpsons or something They have like on the deck of like the game of all the same since and it'll be like what if they had You know like these are parts of all the reasons and it's nothing original That is pitched like that. So what yeah level of conception like you should have all the time that's what happened I'm just leaving that out that possibly open up.

They released the audit No, yeah Why you would keep your ties to the person that you saw from you? I mean like why wouldn't you at the very least kind of like unfollowing person So you had no connection you can say like hey, I didn't know. Yeah, I mean it seems like a It seems like it's like a lack of planning for someone to have like For the overall team to like intentionally stolen especially if they're following many artists who are fluent in this style already Because that's also true like they're working the graphic reals and they're working with like the side of the pile art So like obviously they're going to be following a lot of these artists. I do think it's possible In fact, I think it's kind of a point like it's like it's like it's like I don't know it just strikes me like if I was in that position And I could get to the headspace and like I'm in the steel is art The first thing I would fucking do is probably erase any tie that I had the person I was stealing from so I would at least have one right You know, I mean like it's just that's just crazy But it's possible people don't do their things so they will know they will need to release it really in my opinion But you will need to release it all it result to the only answers.

Yeah, absolutely You can't get that any chance. Yeah. Yeah, there's um Yeah, I'm a big I'm a big I'm a bunch of family. You're not in the shit Wait for me like that's that's crazy.

You've got we need like a full-on report right I don't know if necessarily you want to talk about on the person who did it publicly because that's like it's like it's like kind of Like it's a weird territory, but like there needs to be chances for this doesn't give me anything you want to say about marathon It's what you project for it and what can be done and what the future bunch might be and closing thoughts closing thoughts I am with Chris that it needs to be delayed the one thing that I have observed about consumers in the industry is that they are forgetful of these things And so I think some time would be good and I'm playing our thon that Chris did and I got to watch a lot of people playing it I think there is something there that is desirable and good and so if they were able to take the time and work out those Ginks, I mean if they want to take a lot of time make a PPE mode I think with time people would forget they do clear up these issues properly But that's interesting asking and getting it the way even a short amount of time is very expensive But if they're truly is something there that they can make something great out of then I would hope that that would be outcome I think that's the most ideal outcome is that they're able to sort through this issue compensate artists and that the rest of the art making assets I think certainly a delay of some kind will be needed in order to like next time they have a beta because this is true The alpha was pretty limited in who was able to play so if you have an open beta It's enough time that people the bad taste in the mouth mostly goes away and the beta is fucking awesome Then we're talking about it completely in the outcome for this game, but I think that's gonna require time Thus, I don't wait All right, we thought this pretty sense of people have enjoyed that this next piece of news I hadn't seen reported anywhere except for on the games leaks read it which is a great resource So shout out to them. I don't know why no one pick this up I think this is really fucking interesting Sony is hiring a senior mobile product manager working out of San Diego studio and It says quote as the senior product manager for MLB show mobile You will partner with design production marketing Dana and analytics and many other disciplines to drive new product features Not to see what's to make MLB the show mobile and amazing game the fuck is MLB the show the mole Well, I guess we're gonna find out soon enough. I'm gonna be the show. I'm not really around this all but we all know I'm gonna be the show is a major game for Sony and I was surprised I might be a few to get a couple reasons the most recently did and I was surprised at the major piece of music that he confirmed what happened Yeah, they like me to do it like we had to put it on everything and I was talking a little bit about that So we know now that it's not that's not anymore that's what we got exactly But what seems pretty always like either was it able to be pushing your arm or it was like the legs and feet So high the right means to be the seller or to make it worthwhile But I was telling you when Xbox immediately put on game pass like there's simply no way So we had it would just like to fuck you.

It was like great. It was so funny Oh, I got it so fucking funny Did you talk about that then the first one? The second the second conversation. I got a I got a pick I would read his face when game pass Yeah, I was like that's how I knew you weren't involved because there's just no way that So you have to get a permission to tell what MLB's gonna publisher everything so practically pick that up.

Anyway, I'm gonna be the show and he also confirmed that like might belong How the subject that PlayStation fan like baseball play people fans have to be complacent fans just by virtue of the show over time But anyway, it seems like saying it was an old version and I've been I've been I'm really alone about people more in the know They think about it seems like it's like it's it's like an obvious idea and like a very good idea for the game So this is a big deal and Sony's still kind of waiting to make it move in mobile. Of course they shut down beyond co-recently and Which was originally the savage game studio and they were gonna come over game and they've had a few mobile products And I'm gonna charge the runner in a sackwave game, but nothing out of this new initiative that was originally spun up By always the name the goal is to actually on you was like one of the founders of our arcade and the game over So they really are not getting this going and I wonder if this will even come out, but Yeah, this is great news because I feel like there's another space they need to play around and something I report and I know that mobile gaming is like it's not exactly the many ways I think this is a deal to show comes to some of the versions will speak to each other and I'm saying cross Like it's probably possible but But for just save day, maybe very similar to the way the V to the person who speaks to the case I think it's worth it's worth it back today. Yeah, the way the role doesn't 100 people out in 2020 That was here. So that's not bad.

I was working out There is a mobile companion app for MLB the show 25 that is mostly focused on like I'm assuming some kind of like a transaction card thing and you can go It's a figure keep an eye on your community marketplace transactions on the go search cards creators Manage or watch with him you card details. Oh, they happen playing around with this idea with an LB show It least has already some kind of mobile component to it Which I realize one screenshot is a face and oh, cool. It's not like something We got to do at some point is a scan our faces and I'll be the show and see what kind of horrifying secrets And I think that I think it's a last-hand baseball team We'll be the show so much of that Was it a rainbow six game with like the X-Box camera or whatever that let you scan your face into the game These are fine I wish I was gonna come all right This is I was trying to find another news. Yeah, we can't just out now You're talking about it's called the companion.

I wonder if I go with the end of the show Well, I guess that makes some sense. Yeah. We'll find out nothing else. They're not able to do whatever I Saw this PlayStation stars has been canceled.

I was devastated here about this I don't know if you guys are you guys members of PlayStation stars if you did you got an email as well Do you know they know the first of the email now? But I'm not connected to my non primary Oh Well, they know the PlayStation blog The PlayStation starts coming to close as I evaluate new ways with all future loyalty programs And great change in the forever. She's right after the place What race at Sony or active were always You're meant to do it in any way. So we're gonna be a player to get it to share the joys of gaming create lasting memories That's why three years ago we created PlayStation stars a little program to celebrate our players The unique program includes playing games and rewards including our unique digital collectable to pale-wash to incredible games And our place is lazy the program is also a key connection to fans around the world since launching a program We've learned a lot from evaluating the types of these are players respond best to a company We're always about to be a player in industry trends through this evaluation We have a side of our efforts.

We'll be winding down the current version of places We'll continue to evaluate our key findings from program. We're looking away the building findings Here's some key things to know as you change his place starting today So this was already happened so if you're gonna make a move to like places It's hard to no longer accept members for this version of the program if members choose to cancel their places Remember starting today. It will not be possible to rejoin this version of the program members will lose all earn points Current PlayStation stars members can still earn digital collectable points in level up their status until July 23 After the state there will be no new places are campaigns available or any digital workers has been concerned This version of the PlayStation start program will fully end on number two with twenty six and car positions are continuing to Green points as long as their points don't expire before then we also want to do no that places are coming to the So I started to look like those even after these changes take place and take everyone for 20 places 2022 Well, I'm sorry. I think he has an interesting point of view.

That will be going to the special shapes crew PlayStation start will soon be no more despite the promise of conservation never happening to the target card I'm not just asking why can't you sleep a good thing be why not retain a little program when your company is doing game Butters and sales I used my DLC for us live for a good game So you start to assume that I'll be gone along by getting the DLC I'm just like Sony attention to themselves in the foot when this is a quite like running the back of those What's actually new existed? I generally agree with you here actually, but I think that My what I imagine is that almost no one uses or that it's a program used by very very eventually people Because requires you to use you place it happen. I think that's a that's an answer for a lot of people I think places have to really great and I control time they used to be that but it's a better In recent memory and like you said on a story they never put it on the console So they felt like they never really wanted people to use it if you just integrated it into the console I think that it would have been totally different and part of it felt like a catch 22 for them where the more they almost had nothing to gain From people discovering because it was just them paying you more and more money to buy games were already in a buy anyway And so it just felt like a classic conundrum for them where you don't really want to overexpose it and You don't really get anything for overexposing and that kind of probably showed you the the detail of the entire idea I initially think it has something to talk about that. I really do think I mean I mean I remember it was in the table.

It's gonna be usually you would be a program edition I only want to notice an email that it said this form of the program. It's very important We're placing it in the pipeline. Thanks for all you do in all this while I run my car. Geez First of all, we have to go on a pretty well.

Yeah They make it really clear in the right out there planning something else. I mean I don't know how to read that unless they're just trying to be so obvious That's the delay people's ability to be angry is like yeah, you're just in the future and this is going to November 26 So we have time but to me I just feel like simple is that you don't need this like digital collectibles I think just give people points for buying games and content and spending money and give them points for the cool little tasks You have them do that with this game. It was cool I used to go on every month and try to redeem things But you have to make more accessible. So it's my hope that they did learn things that they will have something coming back because Having a little program is isn't over here and you have to be constantly something But I think I just encourage this commerce.

So anyway, what are your guys? Yeah, PlayStation stars. I mean the back of the console. I think kind of made it DOA Of course there's lots of users that like a lot of people are audience and I'm used before in it It's a fun little thing of course the points are nice The idea of a little program on PlayStation In some ways doesn't make sense to me at all because you can get a little program for Fast food right where you buy food at McDonald's or Taco Bell and you get points So I encourage is that consumer that's like oh well next time I come to McDonald's I'm gonna have points for a free Mcdouble So it encourages repeat purchases as opposed to going somewhere else but for PlayStation It's in some ways like well where else are they gonna buy?

If they're already locked in that ecosystem more than like they're just going to continue purchasing games there As opposed to somewhere else, but I can't see like Nintendo their points up Their point program is like you get coins or something But it's like so minimal that I think the idea is just like well if you buy the game here Well, and the funny about Nintendo when it works on both is way in digital So if you buy games you can redeem the points and you get a tiny bit off your next purchase So maybe like oh well I was gonna buy this cheap $10 game, but I already have $5 in points So I'll just go ahead and make the purchase and so maybe that's how it reinvest into people spending more money But currently in PlayStation stars It's like so few people are using it because it's on ab as you're saying it's locked in there So I would hope that if they do another iteration of this it needs to be on the console like absolutely And it needs to be something that works for them that it encourages people to spend more money as a little Program, so it's a I mean this isn't a place to start a place at different worlds program, right? whether No people say people I think about right in the same like Xbox is a really good little program Well, yeah, I think I think um yeah Google J-M-I says PlayStation stars is an overhaul of Sony's existing with the program place in rewards Not completely no initiative the original place in a workshop. We're gonna pack every launch of PlayStation stars I don't yeah, I wasn't part of the work. Um Yeah, I don't I don't know.

I don't know what they're gonna do I agree with what you're saying about having a tantalizing rewards option where it's always a good example of the the Joel app Generous, I mean like I've probably I mean I don't order that much really like once I'm other months every four weeks or something like that well ordering get blurred and I've gotten a lot of re-entries over the over time I'm like ordering constantly and you're getting a little bit of ops from them. It's like no I feel like it's very generous. So keep going back. There's a lot of food ones are really good about that for some reason You think that that would be like a little bit Maybe a little bit more sentient but like it has something like that knows I think that's crazy I think I feel like two pieces of your free fucking feels the same But I don't think now you can't get the deal at a fast-food restaurant without it Now just yeah, kind of the annoying part Yeah, you have to use those stupid things and the Donald one is annoying too because it's like oh you have a million points You can only pick a singular big Mac with no sides or any drink and you can only pick one thing They make it as annoying as possible.

I blame a plain big Mac just to meet just the patty Yes, the bread and maybe three grains of salt right and that's all you get. So we will get Yeah, I didn't really engage with the two off and like now I would remember that like oh yeah But I feel like most of the time I write you the place it's usually like if I want to get like something or like capture And then like I'll capture some place and I'll get from the app And it just never works. It'll just say like your captures will show up here and I'm like well that's wonderful I wonder when and then everyone I forget it's like yeah, it's kind of like a it's not really that pleasant I would say horrible, but I forget about it often. I will say I was a good one because you can see on the console Like there's an entire page where I think where you can actually like see like how many points you have you can Like put the moment It's built into that ecosystem a little bit more.

I like it. I probably I would wait to say it like yeah I would probably use it a lot more to counsel like no question in fact The amount of effort they seem to be putting into like modeling these like collectibles Right it just kind of feels more like why aren't license on a console because at this point Like I'm fine at this point. So you seem to be doing more than is necessary while also completely hiding away So nobody gets to see it's a little confusing Yeah, that's why it's more sense. It is literally just points like there's nothing special But it's integrated the machine and so like you're more motivated.

Yeah, I was I was a little bit By the entire global thing just because it wasn't the only option So why would you just get cards with your points in the really name since I realized that they were probably soft playing around with the NFT I was so interested to see Like never really doing it but just seeing kind of like a facade of what could be turned into that and I think that was hard to never go But yeah, I would just I would just buy games with points. I think I bought dredge Bolato a few other things with it. So I Yeah, and I got 20 too, so I was a great by-line game. So I but it was generous That's about to do this.

I mean this is a sense you can see first if you have if you have if you have certain capital coming in and you have a A proper margin then just make it so that you cut a little of that margin and that goes into stars And you simply can't overlap because they get them when you have to spend money so it's just it could be a self-replicating thing You just did it's a little bit You know my my my feelings always about like the the modeling time and it took to make these labels You know, it's not nothing. You know, they have to be working on these things. So it's not like some kind of sport You know points these points. That's it.