Hey everybody welcome back to the two part series last week We talked all about the Russia Ukraine conflict and how the United States is so heavily involved in that and why this week We cover one of the most terrifying topics I think of today and that is the China threat we're gonna go over all the things that they have their hands in how they may or May not be controlling the United States and the rest of the globe and what it looks like at these certain scenarios play out Extremely informative very very factual. We brought in the resident expert on the topic Andrew Bustamante the guy is a wealth Knowledge when it comes to China. I think you guys are really gonna enjoy this ladies and gentlemen Let's get to the show. Please like comment subscribe to Apple podcast and Spotify leave us a review Tell us how we're doing and if you get anything out of these shows anything at all Share it share it with everyone.
You know this is real stuff. It's very important I think everybody needs to be educated on this topic becomes more and more of a threat every day All right, that being said let's keep it positive. I love you all. Thank you for being here and enjoy the show.
Cheers Previously on the Sean Ryan show, what is it about you that you think they found interesting? I think they knew that I was an Air Force Academy graduate from the time that I turned 17 My entire life has been in service to the federal government conflict seems to be all around us these days The real reason the United States is involved in Ukraine is because as long as we keep a proxy war happening in a third world country like Ukraine We're wasting Russian resources. If the war in Ukraine ends Russia starts to rebuild in concert with China and now we have two enemies And as we waste and deplete Russian resources, we only have to compete against one other country in the world China In the United States, we might be like Russia's destroyed. That's awesome.
Paris took a bomb. That sucks. Americans are still safe high five Right, that's how we think here. That's how we have to figure if we're really thinking about a world that that is led by the United States of their economic superpower That's how we think I'm gonna split this into a two-part series.
Let's let's take a break and then when we come back All right, Andrew. We're back from the break and we're getting into China So we have a ton to cover with China. So I'm just gonna kick it off. I don't even know where to start But no, that's how it feels right.
That's exactly how it feels But it seems like China's goal is global domination or at least they want to become the next superpower the new the next global superpower I think a good place to start is recently in the news It's been everywhere. Have you heard this lab leak most likely caused pandemic energy department says that's from the New York Times Yeah, no, you're I mean the this is a fantastic example of It's a fantastic example of how bad the government is sometimes at doing their own job Yeah, right so the Department of Energy basically ran a study and they weren't careful enough in the use of their terminology And then this this a line out of place essentially turns into this gigantic media frenzy That is essentially trying to say that the government is confirming that the coronavirus came from a lab in China Yeah, so this exact I mean I think this is a fantastic place to start because Multiple government agencies have looked into this and have reviewed the findings of the Department of Energy used to make their statement And they've all confirmed that there is not enough evidence to be able to refute or deny that coronavirus is either natural or Manmade from a lab, but the Department of Energy Did their own thing right didn't properly but it didn't properly communicate it So we've got this open question now about is the government trying to hide something? Can we say that it was developed in a lab? Whatever else it might be?
It's important to me because There's a lot of rightfully so there's a lot of very concerned and upset people about covid About coronavirus or the novel coronavirus that became covid 19's, you know Causing factor, and it's been it's been a core facet of our lives whether we like it or not For the better part of what 45 months. I think like it's a long time It's been a long time real quick before we dive into this because I want to I want to hit coronavirus So this is we've been talking about I've talked about it. You've talked about it I've heard it on interviews how the media is essentially just a bunch of bullshit nowadays And so here this is just one article that I pulled up I pulled up New York Times And like I said the headline is lab leak most likely cause pandemic energy department says then if we read here New intelligence is prompted energy department to conclude that an accidental laboratory leak in china Most likely cause the coronavirus pandemic through us by agencies remain divided over the origins of the virus american officials said on sunday The conclusion was a change from the department's earlier position that it was undecided on how the virus emerged then this is where it gets interesting Some officials briefed on the intelligence said that it was a relatively weak Or i'm sorry said that it was relatively weak in that the energy department's conclusion was made with low confidence suggesting Its level of certainty was not high while the department shared the information with other agencies none of them changed their conclusion official said So i'm not going to read the entire article, but that just goes to show you that You can't just read the headlines exactly right especially not when it comes to Intelligence or anything based on intelligence. So you heard a couple of words in there, right?
We heard the word likely and then we heard the word confidence There's a grid when when professional intelligence agencies collect intelligence They have to run that intelligence through a grid like a vetting process so that when they communicate to somebody else they can communicate using the same terminology So if you're nsa i'm cia somebody else's di a we all have our own language inside our departments I mean, you know as well as i do the military has its own language cia has its own language You can't it's really hard for two people from different agencies to have a straightforward conversation So when you talk about intelligence they create tools so that we can communicate in common terms Likeliness and confidence are two of those terms that that are pretty well structured so that all the different agencies can communicate transparently with each other Problem is it only works with each other. It doesn't work with the media So likeliness has to do with how probable something is Confidence has to do with your the way you vetted the information itself So something can be highly likely like highly likely and high confidence that means it's a high probability and we have strong faith in the information Something can also be very likely, but we have low confidence in the information, right? So it means we do believe that there's a high probability This is what happened but the information that we have to support that conclusion is very weak We can also have situations where something is not likely and we have high confidence in the information Right and all that changes the probabilities so when agencies speak to each other, which is what you were just reading, right? DOE was talking to other intelligence agencies and they're all divided because some say that it had high likelihood and some say that it was low confidence That's that's them speaking a language that the average person doesn't understand and then you throw in the New York Times They just want to get you to click on the headline And then the conclusion is the conclusion is bogus the conclusion on the headline isn't actually supported by the context of the article Yeah, how is that legal?
I know right? It's just people need to get over the fact that they're just they're just reading bumper stickers all the time all it is It's a fantastic way of putting it, you know, but back to China. Mm-hmm. What are your thoughts?
Was it in a lab? So was this an active war? I will say no. I do not think it was an active war.
Okay. Yeah, very good, right? My understanding for my own education and my own experience with the Chinese is that culturally The Chinese are completely different than Americans, right? Americans and Chinese alike.
We we think like our culture It doesn't matter whether you're gender specific whether you're gender neutral whether you're old young educated uneducated doesn't matter the color of your skin Americans think like Americans we think through lens of capitalism and opportunity and equality and fairness and freedom we all think through that We just might disagree on exactly what it looks like Chinese people also all think through a Chinese lens and the part of that Chinese lens is a 5000 year history of being Chinese a big part of that lens is bringing honor to your family name Being the person who protects the honor that your parents and your grandparents and your great-grandparents have put into protecting your family name and not being the one to ruin it Right in the United States. We love change. I love the fact that I am changing the future of my last name That's not the same to a Chinese person They many ways if they're gonna change if they're gonna take a risk to change their family heritage They're also risking failing and if they fail their endeavor, it's gonna bring dishonor to their family name So they're completely different minds that than Americans, right? Another part of that Chinese lens is this idea that China in Chinese the word for China is jungle which means the center kingdom So everything the Chinese do everything the polypuro does everything senior Chinese officials think of is all through this lens of China being the center kingdom.
It doesn't mean they have to be It doesn't mean they have to be rulers of the world, but they do have to be the biggest kingdom So superpower the modern day superpower idea fits them culturally very very well There can be other powers, but they are the most powerful Right there can be other countries, but they're in the center of everything When you think about how they set up their model of supply chain management when you think about how they've consolidated rare earth minerals And you think about how they've consolidated intellectual property from all over Europe and Latin America in the United States You can see they centralize everything. It's called the central party like they centralize They want to put themselves at the center of the hub and spoke that's very different than the United States, right? We want to be the thing that breaks the wheel So culturally they have this need to this this predisposition to being the center of it all being the the most powerful But not the world police. They don't want everybody to be a communist party.
We want every other country to be a democracy That's failed us. I don't know how many times how many golf wars did we go through because we couldn't make that happen Yeah They don't want everybody to be a communist country, but they do want to be the most powerful country and be communist themselves Why do you think I love everything? It just said but it doesn't answer my question Why do you think that what makes you believe that the coronavirus was not released and was not an active war with everything else that they have going on? I'm just gonna run through some stuff.
These are all categories I want to talk about but you know to me On top of all this stuff, I'll get to it. So I mean they own the supply chain that there's the fentanyl crisis They're they're aiding the cartels with the fentanyl crisis. They're buying up our farmland. They're influencing our politicians They're influencing big tech then we have the tic-tock debacle.
We have the spy balloons that have been flying over the US We got the propaganda war. They're trying to take Taiwan. They're settling Africa They were there to negotiate with Afghanistan before we ever even pulled out then There's the lab leak supposedly So it seems like And I'm sure there's more than I'm not thinking of but with all these things happening There's the race to AI which she's already said the person that wins the race AI is gonna achieve global domination With with all these things that they have in place and and they're winning on What makes you think that the coronavirus was not an active war on top of that Why They were never held accountable ever by anybody in the world. It was like it was like the Chinese just got a free pass and they just I mean the world is a complete disaster right now.
Yeah, no, I get it So I would say there's there's three reasons I don't think it wasn't have to bore The first is that China their strategic mo is to do things quietly not to do things loud and noisy Coronavirus the way it happened was loud and noisy It broke out in their country first and then they tried to get under control and they were I mean the world knew There was a virus in China that they were trying to control. That's not quiet, right? Everything else on that list from hypersonic missiles to the AI war to caught to growing infrastructure in Africa That's all quiet. You have to look to find that.
You didn't have to look to find out about the coronavirus outbreak The second reason I don't think it was an intentional act of war is because where did swine flu come from? China where did bird flu come from China China has a history of unsanitary experimental conditions Where novel natural viruses are born and spread and I don't mean this is a 50-year history I mean this is like a 15-year history Bird flu swine flu coronavirus which was another coronavirus is a type of flu virus, right? These were all novel viruses originating in China that spread around the world China was never held accountable for any of them But at the same time it's a pattern of behavior, right? It's a pattern that shows disgusting unsanitary conditions if you've ever gotten a chance to see even just a Chinese restaurant in China It's filthy like they do not have the health and sanitation standards.
We have the United States They don't have to their population is different their culture is different everything's different So it's a it's a petri dish for discussing things to happen and for for new Natural evolutions of viruses to take place so because of that track record coronavirus behaved exactly the same way as the other viruses A breakout in China that spread throughout the world And then the third reason that I don't believe it was an active war is because China China will pull the trigger When they want something but they pull that trigger at a strategically beneficial point like they did in Hong Kong, right? When they took Hong Kong China took Hong Kong in weeks They pulled the trigger when everything was lined up and everything was ready They made a decisive action and they took it and the world had nothing to say about it, right? When China moves on Taiwan and I fully expect China will move on Taiwan before we identify our next president, right? I 100% agree with that.
They will make that move. It will be decisive It will be fast. It will be backed by multiple secondary inter-scary support efforts It will not be a debacle like covid was So these are all the reasons why I don't believe it was an active war Could they have been developing biological antigens, biological weapons or biological defense? They could have been possibly everything's a possibility, right?
I would even say that that could be like that could be in the place of like 40 to 70% probable But we don't have any information to support that. Maybe it's out there and we just haven't seen it But but for me when I take a look at all the data that I do have I see the history of swine fluburg flu I see the history of how they operate in Hong Kong And I see I see the fact that that coronavirus was handled like a like a frickin disaster That does not strike me as an intentional afterward. Why do you think there was no repercussions? My guess is that the reason that we haven't seen repercussions is because of what happened when it hit the democratic world You can't let's just look at the United States.
It's easy for us to remember the United States It first hit the United States when Donald Trump was president and Trump made a big deal out of saying it's we don't know what it is It's a virus. Don't panic, right? It was don't panic. Don't panic Don't panic as liberal media and the opposite viewpoint to the Republican party was panicking counting Once you start counting sick people and counting beds and counting dead It didn't it didn't serve us in Vietnam.
It didn't serve us in Afghanistan or Iraq Why would we think it's gonna serve us during the coronavirus outbreak, right? So now everybody's worried about numbers without having any context for those numbers without actually doing the deep research If you remember how many bad medical journal articles came out, how much the the what was it the? There was like the American Center for Disease Control the CDC came out and said early on that there's no evidence that coronavirus can spread from human to human Do you remember that? They made a freaking meme out of it with like a little boy on his grandpa shoulders or some garbage They were so wrong So with in the middle of all this then we have a chan election year and a change in president And then once coronavirus was deemed not a super bug then it became a political issue Once it became a political issue somebody had to had to run on a platform about coronavirus Biden won he had to do something about coronavirus because he had just won on that platform So he pours money into vaccines and pours forces vaccine among government employees and we all know what happened from there When you run a business you track every dollar and your bank shouldn't make that harder or hold you back Chaim is changing the way people bank by offering the most rewarding fee free banking It's built for you not like these old banks no overdraft fees no monthly fees and access to thousands of fee free ATMs With chaim you can get up to $1,150 in annual rewards fee free You get 5 cash back on your chime card in a category of your choice like gas or groceries your savings grow faster with a 3.75 A.P.Y.
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Maybe we did some things wrong The government can't say that they can't admit their mistakes But what they can do is try to push to focus us the American public on something else That's why I think they were never held accountable because if the United States government was to say china you your bad health practices made this happen That just opens the door to china being like well your bad decision about these health practices made it into something that it wasn't Right. Did we did our labs potentially leak a virus? Yes? Well, I'm gonna virus if you do rewind if you do rewind there china had an overreaction If we had an overreaction then they definitely had an overreaction because they were welding Apartment door shut, you know what I mean?
And they were I mean arresting people had people in mopsuits They had they were disinfecting factories And so and so is severe as the response was here in the us it was more severe there so I don't The difference is how could they claim that nobody followed china china did what china did Nobody took action until we took action After the United States started started locking people up and or locking people locking up businesses and forcing people to work from home and shutting down travel After that, that's when you saw everybody else start to take start to really apply the policies I remember I was in the middle east at the time. I was in the UAE at the time Things went crazy in china and the UAE was undecided how it was going to respond lots of Chinese were coming to and from Dubai and through and from Abu Dhabi But you know the Emirates didn't want to shut down all of their economy until they knew something was significant Right plus they have a very small population and a really high level of medical technicians So they didn't run into the risk the the over saturation of hospitals like we had in the United States But once the US president made an issue out of it then the Emiratis made an issue out of it And that's how things kind of tumbled so china you're right china overreacted by our standards But they reacted in exactly the way you would expect a surveillance police state You know to behave Welding people into buildings and and doing other than humane things Yeah, and then you know on top of that One of your responses when I asked why don't you think this was an act of wars because they released on their own people But we know they don't treat their people like we treat our people they have slavery still Your shoes are probably made from it our phones are made from everything's made from it You know and and and they have an overpopulation problem So if I don't think it would be Out of the realm to say maybe this was some type of a population control thing for china or maybe they Maybe they did release it, you know up on the world to create Everything that happened I mean you're again considering that everything is a possibility It becomes a question of probability The in my in my estimate of china they don't often make moves that That have more loss than benefit and they've lost significantly since covid came out We all got smart to their role in supply chain management or supply chain control We all got smart to their their uh lack of human rights their control of movement I mean those are human rights abuses, right? They could have done that for decades both of those for decades without us ever even noticing it Yeah coronavirus It pulled the veil back Not to mention the fact that then after the United States laid off of covid policy in europe started pulling back covid policy The chinese continued a very strict Zero tolerance policy. Why would they do that?
Right? There's is there the potential that they were trying to Essentially kill off their older generation and kill off their weaker sicker generation because we know it targets immunocompromised individuals Of course there's a possibility But probability wise they lost much more coming out of covid than they gained That doesn't strike me as a calculated intentional move. Okay. I mean it's just you know, it's just It's hard for me to believe it wasn't when when all these other things, you know, I mean lead to lead to their endgame their goal So I don't think that I think you're dead on about their endgame I think you're dead on about all of the the multifaceted things that china's doing for sure The only place where i'm divergent is in thinking that covid was intentional For all we know it was a biological weapon that they were planning to release when they executed their endgame Perhaps that's true We don't know all i'm saying is that I have a I am feeling like the higher probability reason that My I am saying that the it is low probability that they intentionally released it in 2019 In huhan among their own people for some strategic benefit I feel like that was a mistake either a mistake that happened naturally or a mistake that was fabricated in the lab It was still a mistake.
That's all i'm saying because all this stuff is legit Okay, well where would you like to start now that we've covered covid because there's so many there's so many Different areas, um Where do you want to start or I can pick man? Let's start with whatever you think is most interesting Well, let's start with let's start with all of the Areas of the world where they're pumping influence into like africa. Yeah building massive massive infrastructure in africa These we're not talking you know a little bitty chinese villages. We're talking four lane highways sky scrapers and Putting all that infrastructure in place to for the for all of the natural resources that are going on there Then we have they're taking the lithium lines in mexico They're buying the lithium lines in africanistan and so what you're talking about and this is a great place to start What you're talking about is something that's known as the belton road initiative the bri Right the belton road initiative was something that she didn't ping put in motion back in i think 2017 Possibly somewhere around there.
Um, and it's the idea that you can basically build a belt A supply chain and resource belt all the way around the world just like the old silk road that puts china at the center of it all So now china can export along that entire br that whole belt road And they can also import along that whole belt road with the idea being that they'll import raw materials and export finished products That's the bri It's also has a secondary benefit on top of an economic benefit to china It has a secondary benefit where it's a chance for china to build what's known as soft power or influence Soft power in these third world countries. That's why the belton road initiative is almost all poor poverty stricken corrupt third world countries Because china's an autocracy not a democracy. They don't need approval to do business with anybody they don't need a Majority vote in congress before they seal a deal with a warlord in night in nijer They don't need it. They just go in nijer and they sign a deal.
Boom good to go representative of the government done 15 minutes And we got a deal in africa or southeast asia So that's been their strategy. They want that influence because what they're actually doing is they're they're leasing For long periods of time access to the mineral and the locations that they're building So they go in build an airport build a road build water build everything They take chinese employees in to give those chinese employees jobs They work they create all this infrastructure and the local country signs a lease that says the chinese government can use this for their own purposes So now china just built 10 military bases all around the globe They just call them airports until the time comes it calls in the favor on their lease And so say we're going to move military transports and military troops And is the country going to push back? No because the country's poor and poverty is stricken It has no standing military it needs a chinese dollars It has no relationship with the united states because what does the united states do to any corrupt country out there stiff arm And doesn't have any relationship with europe? Why because europe does the same thing because that's what the united states says You can't do business with countries that have human rights abuses corruption or whatever else right?
So all these countries are being ignored china can go in for a song and get their support I mean, why are we changing policy? So they just they win in so many ways they win in so many ways They're I mean, they're going to own our power struck our power. Oh great Yeah, you know, I mean there's this huge, you know green initiative happening right now in europe in the us We've got one they're getting all these strategic points all over the world They're settling, you know, all the places that I mentioned then on top of that they're they're gonna They're gonna be the sole provider of these batteries that power all the solar equipment For the green energy. Yeah, so that's how the chinese move a 5,000 year old country moves slow Right they move slow and then by the time you realize you're part of the mudslide It's too late.
Well, how how why are we not shifting focus here? I mean if we have this big green initiative Why the hell are we allowing china to take all of the lithium mines to make all of the batteries all of the panels all of the wind turbines are all Everything is coming from china. So this is so we aren't energy independent. Mm-hmm.
We're dependent on our enemy Just which would be which is asinine you hear all these people that are in the right, you know They go back and they talk about how trump basically had told the german chancellor Hey, you might want to get your natural gas from somewhere besides russia that's your enemy Now we're doing we sit there and we we criticize europe for getting their their energy From russia and then we do the exact same thing and get our energy from china How how is this getting dropped or is it on purpose? No, so there's hypocrisy absolutely This is this is the teapot calling the kettle black or whatever version of hypocrisy you want to right for sure that's happening The other thing to keep in mind is we're democracy. So we move at the speed of bureaucrat bureaucracy If you recall under obama obama in his second term coined as something known as the asia pivot Right where he pivoted he started working to pivot through policy All of our attention away from counter-terrorism into china. Right.
He just called it the asia pivot We need to focus strategically on winning hearts and minds in southeast asia Because china's our next big threat and we've lost track of that threat as we've been chasing down terrorism We used to have close relationships with with the philippines and malaysia and In Thailand and kimodia and vietnam we used to be part of asian that that network of countries Well, then we focused on the middle east china swooped in and replaced us and their severe influence in asia So obama started trying to move the ship in that direction But then like we were talking about earlier, we became a very polarized country So if you wanted to focus on china, but you also wanted to be elected on a conservative platform You couldn't agree with obama You had to disagree with obama because the only way that you were going to get the conservative vote Is if you took a hard line stance against everything that obama stood for So then we lost that china thread not you and I the frickin congressman and senators that were trying to get elected They dropped the ball on a strategic threat in order to gain the short-term victory And then every two years or every six years they have to go up for reelection And then trump comes into office and guess what you can't be a liberal and support any trump policy We just became freaking different like yeah, it's just insane. It's insane how divided we've led ourselves become and in those cracks in between We're losing track of the common long-term threats to the united states because we're too busy bitching about Green energy and melting polar ice caps and you know and how and medicare for old people We're completely losing effect that china is the biggest threat that's posed to you're in mind children Right my parents on medicaid and medicaid they didn't take care of themselves But what about someone needs to protect the next generation we lost we lost track of that. I'm really worried about the next generation What about the fentanyl stuff? I mean that's that's another I mean they just have so many angles It seems I can't think of anything left You know, I mean they're just hitting us from every direction and so with the fentanyl stuff They're shipping all the supplies into mexico to make the fentanyl to these cartels Not only are they doing that they're sending in chemists to teach the cartels how to make the the world's most potent fentanyl Now they're already teaching these guys what the next drug is so we went through heroin now we're in fentanyl and now they're now they're Teaching the cartels how to make the next the next most deadliest drug which is gonna Which is gonna be worse than fentanyl if you can even believe that yeah, right?
So this is one of those areas where where it's important to understand that that autocracies autocratic nations Russia Iran China Anything's possible based on who you know so organized crime Organized crime in an autocracy looks very different than organized crime in a democracy because organized crime a democracy has to learn to operate Under multiple layers of police enforcement municipal police district police state police federal police, right? All these different layers they have to operate under so they have to they generally can't do big operations And they generally don't get to move large amounts of money because it's very hard in an autocracy They don't have multiple layers of police force. They basically have one one main Police chief or one main police governing agent who is in charge of multiple sanctions of multiple precincts So they just have to have that one person on the payroll or they just have to be An old friend from school where they just have to have you know some way of basically bypassing that one level of police enforcement And then once they've got that they can do pretty much anything they want they can move large quantities of goods They can they can deal with large quantities of money And they can do it all because it's essentially sanctioned by the state because of the corruption that exists because of the way that the communist party is The autocratic party is organized oligarchs governors commissioners that kind of thing So the fact that there is or maybe Chinese scientists and Chinese individuals supporting the drug trade in South America Doesn't necessarily mean that the Chinese communist party the CCP is Enabling that to happen or encouraging or directing that that happens as much as it could just mean that an organized crime syndicate Is able to manage that level of operation because they don't have to go through democracy to get there Do you think it's an organized crime entity? I would imagine that that is more It makes I feel like it's higher probability that that's that's a criminal effort than an organized state effort If it was an organized state effort, I wouldn't see them doing it in with Chinese people in South America I would see a cutout nation in between right?
They would have Chinese scientists working with Cambodians or Chinese scientists working with With with molly right to pass the knowledge through a third location so that by the time they actually get close to the United States We're not looking at Chinese scientists. We're looking at scientists of some other nationality Right, it's a cutout and like a like a shell to protect And give plausible deniability to the Chinese if it was federal if it was nationally sanctioned or sanctioned by the government That's how they would go through hiding their hand That's what I would do again if I was if you or I was gonna run an underground criminal network We would put layers in place to protect our involvement That's just how mature operations work. Everything happening here does not sound like a mature operation. It sounds criminal An interesting.
I mean, I don't know. I don't know what to believe at this point. You know, it's everything happens It seems like nowadays everything just happens right and broad daylight. It does nobody's hiding anything anymore It's just right out in the open and it frustrates me because Things have always happened, but we used to be able to count on Certain professions to give us vetted information journalistic Information was supposed to be one of those areas that we could rely on but the journalist the professional journalistic practice has almost all the died Right now.
So the articles that you and I read on a day-to-day basis. They aren't written by journalists They might be written by individuals who went to school for journalism But they're not being written by individuals who have had the time to apply journalistic principles to the story that they're writing Yeah, they have to get something out. They have to get it out now They need people to click on it so that their editor and chief can see that people are clicking on their story and they can keep their job That's what we're looking at now. So these these headlines get spread when the content in the article doesn't even support the headline These these speculative accusations get spread and you and I don't know any better.
We were we grew up in a house I remember my dad saying you could trust the newspaper. You can't trust the newspaper anymore You know what I mean? I read this awesome article recently talking about The difference between print journalism or print news media and digital news media meaning Print media is all media all news media that exists in print It may also exist digitally, but it exists in print and the difference between that and news that exists only in a digital format And the article was talking about how journalistic behaviors journalistic discipline is starting to be applied more rigorously in digital products only Vice print products only because if you make a mistake in a print product You can't retract it if you do it makes a big public mess because the whole world knows that the wall street journal has to retract that article and change it Digital they just update the file right today. It says 41 people dead as soon as better information comes in they update it 11 people dead You can't do that with print media.
So as a result, there's more digital news providers Exclusively digital news providers who are starting to actually apply proper journalistic practice because they get the best of both worlds They get the story out fast, but they can also continue to vet the facts and update the story for two weeks three weeks four weeks So that what goes on to live in permanent record is finished accurate journalistic content. Okay What about that? What about all the influence coming into this country all the farmland that they're buying all of the residential that they're buying I mean From what I know, I mean look at california there's a there is a massive migration Coming out of california into into red states Tennessee being one of them texas florida you're seeing this massive migration of Californians moving out of the state now The funny thing is well the amount of california's leaving that state you would think their real estate prices would plummet but they're not Because the chinese and black rock are buying up all of the residential and and on top of that they're buying Are they I I don't know this to be fact but It may be you do do they own more farmland in the us than any than any one Person or business entity. I don't know.
I don't know the answer that so what's My understanding of what's happening when it comes to property ownership in the united states Specifically property rights that are in our country but belong to foreign nationals from china This is a situation where they understand our legal system better than we do we built our Real estate structure in the 1950s On the idea that there was only one superpower only one country wealthy enough to be able to own property in the united states And that was us and then as the 1970s came and oil was discovered in the middle east and oil was discovered in latin america And a few drug kingpins became you know uber wealthy People other foreign nationals started realizing that they could take advantage of the same us tax code to shelter their money So property has always been something that the wealthy have been able to use to tax protect their assets But now instead of only americans being being able to buy american property our law made it so that foreign nationals could also buy our property And it makes sense because for a foreign national to buy an american property they bring They're being outside money into the us economy. We want that and then the united states always has the right to basically Take imminent domain or some other you know policy or government structure to pull back the property and make it hours and take ownership away from a foreign national So we've always had that that kind of clause where we can just take it back if we wanted to and keep their money We don't want to do that because then people are gonna stop investing But as long as people are investing if they have the money that then bring their money into our economy That was all well and good when the united states was the most significant superpower in the world Well, then enter 2000s and now you've got china and they're growing middle class their center of manufacturing They're not pouring money into the military industrial complex to fight the global war on terror like we were instead They can just develop new technology the birth of huawei the birth of cellular technology advancements in china and You know the the multitude of of technologies that they're stealing from europe and latin america and making a fortune off of right Not to mention all their shipping money and everything else Now you've got all these wealthy chinese people they're not gonna buy property in china because they already know they won't own it The chinese party will own it they can lose it at any time So the safer option for their investment is to actually buy property in the united states Where there's some sort of legal protection of the investment and the united states is naturally incentivized not to take that property back from them Just to do that would be that essentially forfeit all foreign investors in investing in property united states We didn't anticipate that happening and we couldn't change policy fast enough to stop it from happening because what was happening from 2020 the biggest Economic boom for the united states that we had seen in like 50 years Like it was impa- there's the kind of the running saying is that it was impossible not to make money in the united states Between like 2005 and 2019 that so significant was our economic boom cycle that you could throw money at a wall and you would get a return on investment So we we just we got caught we got caught with our pants down Somebody used our policy against us and now huge tracks of farmland and industrial properties I mean, it's not just industrial properties man. There are mineral mines on us soil that are Majoratively owned and controlled by chinese companies. I mean it doesn't surprise me.
I mean I've read somewhere that Chinese own the power plant that powers the biggest military base in texas Through a shell company of a shell company of a shell company again. We we taught them How to do that? That's american business practice in the united states You can open a business and your business is seen in the eyes of the law as a person It has rights and protections like a person We created that they just take advantage of it. Mm-hmm.
I mean don't I also read that one of the only Loans that chinese can apply for is real estate loans to buy property here in the us. So while you say It's individuals China's obviously Influencing its population to invest their money here in the united states and then we go to chinese law Which i'm not familiar with but what I mean if they can just pull a business like that, you know, couldn't they just pull somebody's property that was owned in a foreign country Just like that. Um, it's it's harder to cross international lines like that. That's that's true But the other thing is we're not talking about normal chinese, right?
The normal the average The average annual income in the united states is like 45,000 a year The average annual income inside chinese is like 21,000 a year So there are by american standards especially there are just tons of poverty-stricken chinese So in order to be a chinese person that could actually afford to qualify for a real estate loan by american standards in the united states You'd have to be a very wealthy chinese person to even be able to do that So it's not like they're incentivizing or encouraging their general population to buy property here instead. It's a wealthy sub component or wealthy sub Subsector of chinese business people and elites that want to make a wise investment of their capital their excess capital So they put it into a us property and they put it into a us bank and they put it into a us loan Which generates interest for americans and use boost the american economy, right? We have to come to terms as a country with accepting that we are an economy first capitalist country And that's a good thing. I like that we're a capitalist country.
I like that we put money first I like that we drive economy as a core value. I like that. That's what we should do but we should also have like a Bubble of protection around that where we can limit it to just american citizens We can limit it to just individuals vetted by certain government departments as viable candidates to take a loan from a us bank We don't have to have the frickin doors wide open to god and everybody and have you know drug kingpins and Human smugglers and oligarchs from russia. We don't need to just let everybody buy our property We can't insulate ourselves.
We just never took the steps to do it before partly because we don't we don't grow very fast We're I mean you you were military. I'm military There's a certain element in military where we call ourselves too dumb to quit I'm sure you've heard that before the united states is so punch drunk on wealth We're kind of too dumb to quit it takes a little bit of time a little bit of reflection a little bit of work For us to go back review and change our policies and oh, absolutely We'd have to shake hands across you know across the aisles in the senate and house to be able to agree to make some changes China's gambling on the fact that we're too dumb to ever change our policies will be too busy arguing with each other over the next president The next who controls the next house. Well, do you think they're influencing the division? Oh for sure, but it's not just them I mean think about every election in the world that we try to influence Every one of those countries is going to try to influence our election too What I never understood what people got so upset in 2016 When there was evidence of russian tampering in the presidential election.
What the hell do people think happens in every election? There's tampering in every single election always on 2016 was that fbi got smart enough to catch the russians doing it That doesn't mean it didn't happen in 2012 doesn't mean it didn't happen in 2020 doesn't mean it's not gonna happen in 2024 It happens every cycle and it happens every every midterm and it happens at local levels too The chinese the russians the north koreans the iranians they are all very very heavily invested in shaping american politics Not shaping american politics for a specific winner But shaping american politics so it causes chaos. It's a core fundamental belief It's a concept a core concept in covert influence that influence doesn't always mean that you're influencing a specific outcome It just means that you're influencing the process causing chaos and division and infighting is a hundred percent a planned outcome of covert influence We're seeing it every day. We just don't call it that we we refuse to accept the idea that Maybe our vote isn't only being influenced by american decision making or even our own judgment Maybe some of those tv ads that we're seeing maybe some of those facebook ads that we're seeing Maybe some of the articles that are being sponsored in front of us are not paid for by americans Yeah You want to go into a little more detail on how they're how they're influencing all this?
Absolutely. So cover influence what many people call propaganda Propaganda and I think we were mentioning this earlier. Propaganda is kind of an unsophisticated term That's used in countries where information is controlled So the russians use propaganda the nazis used propaganda the chinese still have an office of propaganda Propaganda is essentially when you block true information and you flood controlled false information What's known as dis information do you think we do that? I think in our own country to our own people It's different for us.
We don't have the ability to make propaganda because we can't control the flow of accurate information What we do have the ability to do is use the tenants of covert influence and Misinformation which is errant or wrong information. We do allow those things to take root. So for example Let's just look at the spy balloon. That was another thing on your list What was it four weeks ago a chinese spy balloon was was suspected over montana over mouse from our forest base in montana?
Four days later it was shot down in the atlantic ocean The world went the united states went crazy right a chinese balloon with a satellite hanging from underneath it actively spying on us in our own airspace Like the american public went nuts and then the next three things that got shot down. What did they call them? Unidentified flying objects UFOs or unidentified aerial phenomenon, right? They did not want to call them balloons Because the government realized that by calling so much attention to the fact that this first balloon was a chinese balloon in a spy satellite They had painted themselves into a corner now they had an international incident They had to manage because they gave too much information to the american public Simply by having the same thing happen again and it wasn't even the same thing It wasn't I mean it wasn't a chinese spy balloon at all.
It was a frickin Idaho university Research balloon that they shot down over the great lakes, right? They they didn't want to run the risk of calling it a balloon even though it was reported as a spherical object or whatever they call it, right? They would prefer to call it a UFO because chinese spy balloon everybody pays attention UFO shot down nobody really pays attention So inside the united states what we end up happening what ends up happening is is governments government military Federal government you name administration they pick words that are less alarmist and that's the words that they choose to use when they brief The media at the white house. Hey, we found an unidentified flying object override.
Oh or whatever else it might be, right? Somebody writes that story up all the ufo people in the world get excited Nobody cares anymore from the china spy balloon stuff Yeah, right and the u.s government probably rightfully so is assuming that the average american isn't smart enough to connect the two spy balloon here ufo there But what if that ufo is actually balloon so then we have two more incidents over the next week and a half two more balloons shot down by f 35s and f 16s Again balloons, but they don't call them balloons They call them ufos and then what happens now the u.s Now the federal government has just said that they shot down three ufos now all of a sudden it's frickin headline news again And they're like oh shit We shouldn't have called them ufos or at least we shouldn't have called all three of them ufos because now the whole world thinks that we are shooting down ufos We've got to back this up, right? So the government does a very bad job of controlling the information flow because they know they can't It's difficult for them to do so but they can control classified information So they will over classify you've seen that i'm sure in your days at cia and in the seals in the seal teams We over classify all the time as a stopgap to making sure that we don't accidentally overshare So that's how we handle misinformation we make the information unavailable knowing full well that Journalists and bloggers and whoever else are going to jump on to the story without all the facts and make mistakes If it benefits american security national security, they have no problem with that Sometimes they even seed intentional information just so that they can send a message like you saw in the beginning part of ukrain Like you saw with all the soldier counts in ukrain I remember in the first three or four months the u.s. Government was allowing was was confirming reports from ukrainian generals about 50 000 dead russian soldiers compared to 1500 dead ukrainian soldiers remember when they used to the body counts That was just them acknowledging information that they knew was wrong and letting the newspapers run with it anyways That's how the federal government handles misinformation to the american public If it benefits national security That's bible one was what do I think it was?
So my my suspicion is that the whole spy balloon concept is decades old Everybody uses them because it makes sense a satellite when you try to spy from a satellite You have a very narrow window of time when the satellite is on target Right because the satellite's going around the earth and the earth is here So when the satellite is over where you need it to be that's your only window to capture And then you don't get another capture window until they come back around again So if there's cloud cover if it's nighttime if there's anything wrong they don't get the image Right so you're blind for most of the cycles of that satellite a balloon has a long loiter time And it moves with predominant winds So you can basically predict when a balloon is going to be in a certain part of the planet based on predominant wind patterns altitude, etc And it will loiter there moving at what 70 knots? Like that's slow So it'll just stay there forever taking pictures and sending information For sure we use balloons. I've never seen one. I've never heard of one It just makes technical sense high probability low confidence, right?
We would use balloons all over the world because you can fly them at 70,000 feet Nobody really cares that they're there They don't know if it's a spy balloon or a research balloon or a weather balloon They don't have a big radar cross-section So it makes perfect sense to me that Russia's got balloons out there, Iran's got balloons out there, China's got balloons out there Germany, France, the UK, Italy, they all have balloons out there and there would be poor or little to know National or international tracking of these balloons So they're out there. We've always known that they're out there, but we never really saw it as an issue Until for whatever reason that first Chinese spy balloon broke into American airspace and kind of woke up the administration to say Hey, maybe we should think about this. Maybe we should do something about this And if you recall it was like five or seven days before they decided to shoot it down and then for the next three They shot it down the next day. Yeah I mean, I'm sure we hit it hopefully with some type of a Energy weapon a UWA or whatever before it came into the came into our borders But you know as far as the the capabilities of what was on there I mean, do you think that it was only just imagery?
Oh, no, no way because I did a little segment on this A while back and what I realized was These people have no idea what kind of capabilities are out there, right? And they think this thing is They think this thing isn't collecting anything that Google Earth hasn't collected yet And when I when I saw that in the comments, I was like, oh man It's like, you know, think of what are they gonna get that uh, they can't get off Google Earth and it's like I just don't know That's exactly what they want you to think. Yeah, I don't know how to I mean Let's go over some of the capabilities that could have been on there for sure Okay, so so if you think of just the first just the first balloon if you look at pictures of the first balloon Which is a great place to start just if you google, you know pictures of this Chinese spy balloon and you'll you'll see pictures of it It was a box Some say it was a size of a bus some say it was the size of you know a suitcase The box itself was most likely the size of a suitcase maybe two suitcases, right? The size of a satellite essentially and then it had these two large solar arrays off to the side collecting energy from the sun To power all the functions on the box and then it had at least two possibly four dishes that were directional dishes that were mounted to the main box Just by looking at that there's a couple things that you you know for a fact, right?
First you know that it had to be powered externally So it wasn't a battery that it was carrying if it was a battery would be designed to run until the battery died It needed solar power for continuous operations. So that takes money that takes engineering that takes time that takes effort That's not a weather balloon university mission is not putting up a weather balloon that looks like that You know what I mean? Second it had those directional dishes Directional dishes are designed to pick up localized transmissions and transmit focused transmissions That's what the shape of the of the dishes for right? So if you have dish tv, it's there so that you can send and receive a very narrow band message So the four dishes gives it the opportunity to collect four different targets at one time or potentially collect three different Targets at one time and transmit on a fourth, but there's a two-way transmission and reception mode there So and this is just what we see on the outside If there were and they were very likely to be signals intelligence collection applications inside Right small antenna round bulbous antenna on the underside or on the back side of the satellite dish or on the back side of the Swipe balloon those would be used for wide spectrum signals collection So they could be collecting signals that were being encrypted and transmitted from one military base to another from one CIA base to another they could be signals connected they're pretty much anything you mean like they could They could be signals collecting on a certain frequency in the Wi-Fi network that they know is being used by the president or that they know is being used by senators or business people who knows What so essentially that satellite that balloon was a giant sponge collecting signals radio waves cellular waves imagery thermal imagery Infrared imagery day and nighttime right and then also having the real-time ability to transmit that information back to another location potentially even to another balloon Also, the balloons could have been transmitting signals to each other acting as a series of relays back to a main home base So balloon over the United States a balloon over Canada a balloon over Mexico all carrying and transmitting signals between each other hopscotching back to mainland China That's how satellites work.
That's how any anybody with a walking talking do the same thing Right when you look at that balloon all of those capabilities were very likely and housed in case in that one swiveloon If you heard about uh, do you know anything about quantum entanglement by chance? I know a little bit. I don't know what on a scientific level, but I know the concept Do you know that the Chinese are claiming to be able to communicate with their satellites by using quantum entanglement? You don't believe it?
It's I don't I have yet to know I have yet to hear about anybody being able to actually replicate or or measure The effectiveness of their own quantum entanglement. I think that they've proven that quantum entanglement can happen I don't know that anyone's been able to measure or control it. Okay for the audience. I'll I'll run through it and I'm not a physicist So I'll break it down the best I can so quantum entanglement is basically Saying that all particles atoms are connected one way or another through through a field of energy And if you split an atom and you manipulate one half of the atom no matter where in space the other half of the atom is It will replicate the what you're doing to this part of the atom So if you were to put and that and From what I've read and there's some great articles on space.com that I've read there's a lot of different articles talking about this but But there's no there is no distance that It doesn't matter the distance you can manipulate this this half of the particle and this half of the particle is going to replicate exactly what that What does uh through all of the connectedness of these of of of particles And so if you put something say like morris code on this atom On this half and this half is going to it's going to replicate that and there's nothing that could intercept these communications and so That's another thing I heard is oh, I'm sure we were jamming.
I'm sure we were jamming the transmission Yeah, I know we jam things and I mean we both spent a lot of time overseas. I'm sure you've seen a lot of it too Jammers don't even work all the time, you know, and so if if they have the capability of quantum entanglement communications We have no idea what they collected and what and what got transmitted back to back to China Right. I mean you're even without quantum entanglement Depending on the frequency the encryption techniques how we classify the balloon We may still have no idea what they were transmitting They may have been transmitting in in the open and if we weren't intentionally trying to intercept that balloon's transmission They could have sent an open signal like a hammer radio signal for crying out loud and we wouldn't have been able to collect it Right because if it's not something we're listening to we're looking for we're not gonna get it Yeah, so you bring up a really good point I can't I don't know enough about quantum entanglement and Chinese capabilities to speak to that But we did just yesterday the US State Department released a report confirming that of the 41 technologies that That have been deemed as critical next generation technologies. I think that's what it was 41 technologies China is ahead of the United States in 33 of the 41 technology And on that list was advanced communication artificial intelligence hypersonic missiles Next generation drones like a huge list where we are being trounced by Chinese investment and Chinese discoveries in these advanced tech So I think that that just further corroborates what you were just talking about with the potentiality of Chinese using quantum entanglement Some sort of communications, you know, it's moving into tech.
I mean So what they're doing with these tech companies. I interviewed this guy Peter Swetz We're just talking about him at lunch to brought that book red-handed So what China is doing with these tech companies and you maybe you know more about this than me because I just read a book that um, but um they're basically bringing in all big tech into China because In big tech is they like it because they don't have all the red tape to deal with like they do here in the US So they build them a big chip factory. They build them. I don't know.
Whatever iPhone factory doesn't matter Whatever it is. And so all these big tech companies google tesla Apple all of them are going over there. Well under Chinese law if they develop any new tech that china thinks might benefit their military Artificial intelligence. I don't know quantum entanglement that has to be shared with the Chinese government So all of our tech companies are over there developing new tech and China gets gets A piece of information first.
And so of course we're behind because we've allowed all of that to happen Right. That's the downside of globalization, right? If you're if you're going to take the economic advantage if you're gonna take the economic incentive Of manufacturing in a cheap country Then you're forfeiting your rights to the overarching land law of the land in that foreign country We weren't thinking about that. Right?
We we weren't thinking about that or again going back to 2010 to 2018 think about the tech boom in that period of time Like there was so much money so much venture capital money going into new crazy tech innovations that half of them didn't even make sense Right, but there was such an abundance of money people just wanted to be able to act quickly and act at scale You can't do either of those things in the United States. You have to go to a third country to do that It's too expensive. There's too much red tape There's too many legal barriers when you try to move fast and scale inside the United States Let's move back to the division and how China's influencing our division. Do you think they're behind some of this world culture stuff?
It's a good question like Because that's a very divisive. It really is it's woke america is It's it's I mean frankly it feels like a waste of resources It all started with esg When esg first happened, I love esg. I still love esg esg is exactly the kind of the kind of discovery that makes america great We found a way to create something that requires no resources But increases the value so that it increases the economic displacement, right? It costs more money because it brings more value.
That's what esg was what esg is. It's what I love about esg We're gonna reduce our carbon footprint. We're going to plant more trees. We're going to bring more women into executive positions We're going to you know appreciate diversity and culture and race.
That's awesome There are people who are getting paid more money. There is more economic stimulus There is uh, there are companies who stock prices increasing only because they're practicing esg That's excellent. That brings more economic power to the united states Well, then that kind of some bastardized niche of that Turn into this idea of woke culture that somehow Uh, I mean everything from the fact that white people are so racist. They don't even know they're racist to this idea that We have to respect the gender identity of the individual and their pronouns and all this other stuff like that's the opposite of esg That's a bunch of work that doesn't add value to anything when something is a lot of work and it doesn't add value It's a drain on resources.
So here esg is this boost economically and then incomes woke culture, which is this drag economically Do I think that the Chinese are behind it? I don't think that some frickin Chinese covert influence expert invented the idea of woke instead Again following the laws of covert influence you just find a device of topic and then you pour fuel onto that device of topic So I I do think that it's very likely once woke culture was born Then the Chinese started creating their own Pots of money to fuel the fight. So how exactly do you think they're doing that? I mean, I know we know about the bots.
You know that there are what do they call them? Bot farms or something where there's just thousands and thousands of people social media So social media adds an easy way to fervent more that culture TikTok as popular as TikTok is who controls TikTok's algorithm? Who controls TikTok's algorithm in the United States? They can actually create different algorithms for different geographical regions, right?
So now if you know that woke culture is active among a certain demographic and you know that TikTok is the most popular tool in that demographic You can just shape that TikTok. You can even create algorithms that target specific age groups inside of the algorithm So mom and dad don't even see that their 18 and 19 and 17 year old child is getting this kind of content delivered to them, right? So there's lots of ways that a sophisticated technological country can concede and cultivate conflicts like disagreements over culture or woke culture or any other topic that you can imagine whether it's whether president Biden is pro-Chinese or whether his son's laptop was this or whether Trump was you know put in power by the Russians You can basically control any information you want to if you control the algorithm that sits on the platform What are some other ways I could do it other than social media? So there's there's mainstream media Most of what we find on Google search most of what you find even in like a newspaper or magazine is is content that is sponsored in some way right somebody wants an article written somebody lobbies to have an article written whatever it might be and That may not be true for your mainstream media like your Washington Post and your economist and your CNN They just want clicks they'll create their own garbage They just want clicks right but when you're talking about magazines that you find on bookshelves magazines that you find in airplanes magazines that you find You know on coffee tables at wherever around the world a lot of that content is sponsored Somebody wants you to write about something so they pay the magazine to write about something and Through a cutout of a cutout you know Chinese can can just funnel money into certain content that they want to have created not just the Chinese The Russians can do it the Iranians can do it the North Koreans can do it the Colombians can do it if they choose right we do it Just as well, right we can direct and drive content creation in all sorts of medians all across the world When you talk about things like YouTube when you talk about things like Instagram when you talk about you know Any popular tool out there is a potential avenue for a paid sponsor or paid ad or content that is intentionally created And then optimize to reach a certain audience It's a difficult challenging world that we live in because content can be crafted and tailored and targeted so well It's also an area where we tap into some of the best freedom and the best information that we can get Because conversations like this are very real the only reason this real conversation can happen is because of the same tools that other people use to Pervert true information out of all the stuff that we've talked about so far I mean What do you what do you think is the most concerning?
Or do you have anything to add do you have any other the most concerning thing to me is definitely the fact that that China has gotten to a place specifically with China the most significant thing about China is that it's gotten to a place where it has the potential to direct next steps in Europe Hypersonic missiles Huawei rare earth minerals Belt road initiative they're involved in all sorts of stuff that one thing to me is the most imminent pressing concern Because if they figure out how to do that, there's no way we're touching Taiwan or keeping Taiwan safe If they figure out how to negotiate peace between Ukraine and Russia For sure they're gonna win Taiwan and when we're all gonna be sitting around wondering how it happened Do I miss anything? Are there any are there any angles out of the 10 topics that we brought up? I mean, there's that's just like you said. I mean China in and of itself is this massive conversation So what we've covered today is the highlights the most critical pieces that people need to be paying attention to and frankly What you brought up about China?
I mean, there's just only a small population paying attention to this stuff I know most people are letting themselves get distracted by what Their coworkers are talking about by what's playing on prime time television by what's uh what the mainstream media is telling them They're not paying attention to this yet and they should be but they won't be but i'm glad that people are listening to you are Yeah, well, it's uh, I mean this stuff this stuff scares the shit out of me um all of it especially especially the The supply chain with the green energy that if we're headed down that road And and we're gonna call this It's just it's anything but energy independence. I mean not not to mention all the supply where they're gonna put in all this stuff So we don't have a great track record of energy independence remember when we got all upset about opac in the eighties And yet here we are still dealing with Saudi Arabia and ua and uman and bahrain to get all our oil Yeah, we just we don't Do you feel like we're taking any measures to counter any of the stuff because I don't our border isn't locked down It's just coming in. You know, I I don't see a whole everything I buy still says made in China on it You know, so I mean unfortunately I try to I try to wise up to it, but I mean you can't you can't everything is made there I bought my daughter. I bought my daughter a little stuffed puppy the other day I I tried so hard to get a made in america puppy I mean just to give you a little extra backstory, right?
My gift to my wife and I for our anniversary this year which will be 13 years in Uh a month and five days right or two months and five days But my gift to us is gonna be a poodle puppy. We're gonna get our first family dog I already know I wanted to be a poodle. I have all my my vision for what this poodle is gonna be So I bought my daughter a stuffed poodle puppy so that she could practice taking care of a dog Right and I went out of my way to find a puppy that was made in the United States and I found one It said designed in Georgia and I forget the name of the city in Georgia But I've driven through the right outside of Atlanta and I was like hell. Yes.
It's a nice high quality Stuffed poodle puppy. It's exactly what I want. I order it. I buy it.
It comes in I pull it out I look at the tag proudly designed in the United States. I flip the tag over made China Everybody's doing it even even I don't do much march, but even in the merch world You know you buy you support somebody and I don't blame them You know, I mean you can't blame them There's there's only so many options and unfortunately 99 out of 100 are made in China And if you want something made in here in the US be prepared to pay double maybe triple right now But you know now the big thing is printed in the USA made it made in China You know printed in the USA, but There are policies in place. I I have to give credit where credit is due right Donald Trump put in motion a policy that was very anti-China right he put in a program that was called something like the Whatever the countering Chinese influence something right there's a very a very controversial program because the liberal liberal voters and liberal media saw it as being racist right targeting Chinese people You can't say that it's a very racist and an anti-Chinese program So when Trump left office one of the first things that Biden did was cancel that program and the news media talks about him canceling that program What nobody talks about was that he took the same concepts of that program and moved it into a newly named program Called something like the American independence from East Asia after something like that right same pro same program same Same everything moved into a different name So at the White House at the administrative level they understand that the fight against China is very real That is during Obama during Biden's most recent state of union He talked about a number of initiatives to bring more domestic manufacturing of high tech of high tech Projects medical devices weapons development electric vehicles bringing it back to the United States The problem is they have to spend a year drafting it Spend a year voting it in and then they can't actually start to apply it until three to five years out Yeah, so he announced it in 2023 during a state of union address to take effect in 2027 28 What would have been nice if they would have just taken the agenda and ran with it right and deconstruct the entire thing just to try to construct it again and right And the bigger question becomes if we know that those policies are taking place in four years What are we gonna do right now right? I mean you and I are very tactical.
What are we gonna do now? I appreciate the strategy, but what are we gonna do right now? You can't do anything because you're gonna offend somebody. That's that's the concern right?
That's the thing that that's the game that's being played at a geopolitical level, right? What are we gonna do in Ukraine to counter Russia? What are we gonna do in Europe to counter Chinese influence and Chinese involvement supporting Russia and Ukraine? What are we gonna do to woo India back to our side of the fence?
So they stopped supporting and partnering with China and Russia, right? What are we gonna do and how are we gonna do it? And as long as we have political infighting about woke culture, we're just distracting ourselves from the larger question The threat that looms over the heads of our children and our children's children The last thing I want to talk about with you And I think you're gonna have a lot of knowledge on this because of your Air Force time and the in the nuclear program is an EMP threat What's the probability of that happening? So EMPs are EMPs are rough, right?
What I don't know if it's common knowledge it might be I can't say that I really know what people do and do and don't know about EMPs They don't know much They think that the Chinese spy balloon was just doing Google Earth's job We really got to break it down here So an EMP is It can be the end goal of an explosive device, right? You can create an EMP You can't create it like in a movie where it's like a little electrical battery that just sends out a pulse It has to be something of a larger, almost explosive character trait EMPs are also the natural byproduct in a nuclear detonation Most people when they think of a nuclear bomb, they think of a nuclear bomb that comes and is delivered by a rocket Hits the Earth and then explodes, creates a mushroom cloud and a fireball, right? What they don't realize is that a nuclear warhead can be detonated at any altitude It can be detonated one foot off the ground, a thousand feet off the ground Ten miles off the ground, it can be detonated at any altitude And that the first wave of energy that comes off of a nuclear explosion is an electromagnetic pulse So when we studied nuclear weapons in the air force When we went to war college about how to apply and deploy them in combat The first way that we would use a nuclear weapon is as an EMP So you would send it, you'd launch it The whole world would see it coming, right? But then you would actually detonate at altitude And you would detonate at altitude so that it would send a very large, widespread conical EMP that would short the fuses and communication devices of everything within its reach Right?
So two miles off the ground, you might be able to neutralize 15 square miles of landmass Right? Four miles off the ground, you could neutralize 50 miles of landmass So are these accurate numbers? They're rough numbers There's an exponential benefit to how far you can neutralize based on the altitude above ground Right? What's the, what's the widest area that a EMP, a capability that you know of?
How much landmass are we talking about? It would all depend on the yield of the warhead So I don't remember, I don't remember how big our largest warheads are That number might be classified still for all I know But if you were to detonate a large warhead at a high altitude, you would have a huge EMP You also have to keep in mind that the intensity of the EMP is also related to correlated to how far the devices are from the explosion So something with shielding might survive the EMP Something with no shielding might not survive an EMP blast that's done in the atmosphere You know what I mean? So that's what we have to think about when you talk about EMPs The main thing we have to consider is that there has to be some kind of blast to neutralize everything Unless you're talking about a focus energy weapon which could also do the same thing short, short something out, right? And we would absolutely expect in a large-scale conflict, a modern day conflict You would expect to see cyber warfare to help jam signals Followed by some kind of EMP blast to destroy the hardware and destroy the hardware that would carry the software Assuming they could ever fix the cyber attack And then you'd basically have neutralized command communications and relay capabilities And then you would move them with your attacking force I mean it's all energy It's all directed energy No vehicles No, no, no anything Not needed, yeah, a vehicle could potentially deliver a weapon So this is another thing to keep in mind too It could use a low-yield nuclear weapon No mushroom cloud No way to even identify that it was a nuclear weapon You could potentially drive it in a truck And no kidding just like pop it up from the back bed of the truck It goes up 500 feet, half a mile, explodes, neutralizes the entire area I guess what I meant is if we got hit with an EMP There would be no vehicles, no electric, no communications, no radio, no nothing Not if it's modern, you're exactly right Because an EMP would short the circuitry So anything that's got a smart chip, modern day cars, cell phones, all that stuff would be neutralized Your old school, Chevelle, should still be good to go But your Tesla would not go anywhere, it'd be a brick Right?
Yeah, if we were to be hit by an EMP That's essentially how it would work And the, again, the more likely way that we would see anything like this happen Is we would first see a cyber attack that would neutralize our ability to identify the incoming Weapon that would discharge the EMP So we would see some kind of mass attack That distracts us and blinds us to the incoming attack that launches the EMP and destroys everything Do you think that this is a realistic scenario? Not for us, not for the United States Why so? Because for someone to, first of all, the United States is so large It would be very difficult to successfully coordinate an attack against the United States That does both of those things Right? And we've got lots of shielding on our most sensitive equipment So if someone were to try it, I mean think of the cities you'd have to cover it one time Miami, New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Houston, Dallas, Nashville Like, you'd have to cover tons of cities with a coordinated cyber attack and coordinated EMPs To neutralize the United States In the hopes that the shielding that's on military bases Would be penetrated by the EMP It's really unlikely, right?
Because if you made one mistake We'd have command and control centralized and we'd be able to respond With the forces that we have through back up lines Your telephone lines wouldn't go down Right? Because they're not reliant on conducting chips They're reliant on fiber optic cables and sometimes just old school ethernet cables Right? Like, there'd be a lot of infrastructure still in place in the United States But that's exactly the kind of attack that I would expect to see In an assault on Taiwan That's exactly the kind of attack that I would expect to see The next time Russia tries to take one of their former satellite states I mean, it maybe wouldn't affect the military bases But it definitely would affect the civilian population For sure And with no electricity, there's no food There's no water, there's no heat Right, there's no grilling You know, and so I think that alone I mean, what are they? It's estimated what, you have three days If something like that would happen before Before everything comes on glued and it becomes every man for himself So really, they wouldn't have to They wouldn't have to take the military out because The civilian population would just basically eat itself alive There's the the x factor that we're not considering Is what happens when there's an attack Ukraine is a fantastic real world example of this right now President Zelensky's approval rating On February 21st, 2022 was 30% 30% President Zelensky's approval rating On February 22nd, 2023 was 90% Now, why am I saying that?
Did the guy suddenly become an amazing president in one year? He's the same guy Right? That 90% approval rating came from a mix of Gunho, hyper-nationalistic Ukrainians Who are still in the country Because remember, they've had tens of millions of refugees leave the country Plus, only a fraction of those gunho people Can even get to a computer to take a survey So it's a small sample size of a limited population That all answer 90% approval rating Right? But the thing that demonstrates is that When there's a common aggressor, everything changes All you and I are sitting here talking about The potential negative impact of woke culture As soon as somebody pulls a gun On any of us, on you me, or some person who self-identifies as they or them We've got a common enemy All of a sudden we don't care about their pronouns We care about the enemy So if somebody were to attack the United States We wouldn't eat ourselves from within We'd sit there, we'd probably lock arms Pick up weapons and fight the enemy That's what we did after 9-11 I know you remember what that 11 was like I definitely remember that That was a different time It was a different time Neer as divided as we are today We weren't But some of the most contentious activity we saw Was coming from the gore and bush elections Just prior to that I don't know, I want to believe you, I really do I just don't see I don't see Americans locking arms I just don't see it today We need a common enemy What scares me, to be very honest with you What scares me is the fact that The administration also knows We need to come and end me So part of it I don't feel like the Trump administration did it I don't feel like the Biden administration I don't think unity is on anybody's agenda I do agree that we need a common enemy to unite I mean, the actions of both administrations are, in my opinion, extremely divisive I agree, but what we're seeing What I'm seeing at least Is that the Biden administration has Wised up to the fact that Russia Is not our common enemy They've been preaching that for a year Right, stand with Ukraine, Russia's the aggressor Putin's illegal war Putin's illegal invasion Putin is putting that Putin's dying of cancer Putin's going to be pulled off Pulled out of power by the oligarchs within How many times have they been wrong?
Trying to tell us what's going to happen to Putin I think they're waking up to the fact that Putin is not the common enemy America's looking for Some of us have even like gone as far as to say Maybe we're doing the wrong thing by supporting Ukraine Even I have said that it's not a good idea To provoke Russia Because what we're doing now is playing into Russia's hands Like when this whole thing started It was about countering Nazism in Ukraine Putin didn't have a toe to stand on When that was his claim Now he has a very just claim Saying that Ukraine is a proxy war of the West Trying to eradicate Russia He actually has an argument now We gave him that argument But my point is that the administration is realizing That the common enemy may actually be China So now as we turn our attention towards this conflict with China And talking about chip wars And talking about lethal aid to Russia And talking about China bypassing international laws And whatever else Now all of a sudden both sides of the aisle Can get behind supporting Ukraine Because it's an economic benefit Both sides of the aisle can get behind Putting our targets on China Because we all see them as a true challenge And a true threat to our long-term role as a superpower I mean in theory I mean can they actually do that though When what two years ago Anything bad you said about China you were painted racist We'll have to figure that out Nobody's saying that now It's interesting It's funny right? We're having a whole conversation about China right now We're not worried about anybody calling us racist Yeah Why gave up on that stuff? Time to go I don't know I uh Yeah I just You get canceled for anything nowadays So it's We'll see what happens We'll see what happens We'll see what the uh what the what the What the woke internet has to think about Our conversation I don't think we're going to be painted as racist But but two years ago we would have been Yep You know maybe a year ago we would have been Yep And so it's it's I mean they're gonna have to reindocordate Half of the population into thinking that That's not racist again Or uh half the population won't be smart enough to To keep up with it anyways It'll be too busy scrolling through tiktok or Giving up their time some other way Very true Is there anything else you want to cover with China? No man I think we've I think especially for what could be a first conversation To bring people up to date where we are today With China I think we totally nailed it Who knows where to look like six months from now But right now We've got a very accurate idea Of China's role in China's implication as it stands today Perfect Let's take a break when we come back We'll we'll lightly cover some UFO UAP and uh Energy stuff Sounds perfect man Alright I want to take a minute to tell you about Vigilance Elite Patreon Patreon support is what makes this show possible And gives me the ability to bring these one-of-a-kind stories to the public Go to patreon.com slash vigilance elite And support the Sean Ryan show today Thank you for listening to the Sean Ryan show If you haven't already Please take a minute Head over to iTunes And leave the Sean Ryan show a review We read every review that comes through And we really appreciate the support Thank you Let's get back to the show Alright Andy we're back from the break The final break We're going to cover the weaponization of space Or weaponizing space And UFO UAP Maybe some free energy stuff Yeah What do you want to kick it off with?
Dude weaponizing space is a super interesting topic Let's go there Yeah so So a couple things So just recently Russia announced that it's going to pull out a Star Treaty Right What is the Star Treaty? The Star Treaty was a treaty that was put in place during the Obama years To basically limit and downsize the total number of nuclear weapons That existed between the United States and the Russian arsenals So with downsizing and modernization and safety like protocols For two different nuclear weapon arsenals I mean it was set to expire in 2025 Most people thought it was going to renew But now Putin just announced he's not going to renew it Right That came on the heels of Biden showing up in Kiev on President's Day Which didn't have itself as kind of ridiculous I don't know why the US president would spend American President's Day in Kiev It doesn't honor our history of presidents Well some people claim he's not all there But either way So it's a counter that kind of snub in the face of Russia Putin announced he's going to pull out a Star Treaty Now nuclear weapons There's a treaty in place the non-weaponization of space is a treaty that exists since the 70s Nuclear weapons actually work the way they work Specifically because they're supposed to fit within the guidelines of a treaty So the treaty basically says you cannot put a weapon into orbit around Earth Nuclear weapons follow that rule because they actually launch in a elliptical pattern to re-engage or re-enter Earth's atmosphere So they leave from one part of Earth and they enter another part of Earth They do not make a full rotation around the Earth So they do not make an orbit With the idea of weaponizing space It becomes scary because now there's so many more people involved that were never part of that treaty China's putting things in space. They were never part of the original treaty We've got commercial entities putting things in space You've got freaking Elon Musk is launching Teslas into orbit So there's all this stuff now going into space that was never part of the original treaty not to weaponize space And all you would basically have to do is essentially put something into space That's carrying a laser carrying a even a dumb bomb dumb explosive Right? All you need is gravity You can just drop something out of a out of a vehicle in space As long as it can withstand reentry in the atmosphere Essentially you have a space-based weapons platform So it's it is scary to think about the future modern-day weapons smart weapons energy directed weapons or directed energy weapons laser weapons Being based in orbit around the Earth How many countries do you know of that are putting weapons in space?
I don't know of anyone currently putting weapons into space But the countries that we know have the infrastructure to put satellites and to put large vehicles into space I mean that's got to be pushing up towards 25 or 30 countries I mean just some of the ones that jump to mind that I'm not comfortable with putting Items into space Pakistan can launch into space India can launch into space Turkey can launch into space Iran? Iran can probably launch into space I mean if they if they can't do it themselves they'd be able to get the the know-how from the Russians or the Chinese to be able to do it right North Korea might be able to launch into space They have missile platforms that carry nuclear weapons So there's a lot of very intense applied mathematics that goes into getting something into orbit and making it stay there I mean these are all countries that that have a grudge with someone else That they might consider putting a weapon into space At least the United States and in some of them like Russia for example Like we have this contentious relationship remember in World War II We were allies and then there was the Cold War and then coming out of the Cold War and in the early 90s In the early 90s we kind of became friendly again and that has slowly kind of dissolved into what it is now Obviously exacerbated significantly in the last year But there's a there's a weird relationship where both of us are really fairly responsible nuclear partners At least until until we see otherwise What do you think about all this UAP UFO stuff? It's it's it's it's being brought up more and more and more and there's all these conspiracies around it everything from well If you heard about the false flag alien invasion, no you haven't know I haven't heard about this yet well Some people think that the the Did the globalization is going to occur after a false flag alien invasion and that's why all the UAP and UFOs are Coming up in the media because they're gonna they're gonna falsify something that's gonna create enough fear to where we all All listen to the one world government a false flag alien invasion meaning meaning some Basically some deep shadow government is making us think there's UFOs yes. Yes, that's convoluted.
Yeah, but Why do you think this is all of a sudden you say the mainstream so more and more and more? Yeah, yeah So that I think is an excellent question UFOs have been something people have been interested in a long time right as long as we can remember seeing things in the sky that we can't Immediately identify that was the birth of the UFO UFOs and aliens I think if you if you take a look closely they're two different things UFOs are just what's in the sky? Aliens are life outside of our planet. It's a nuance difference, but it's still a difference The reason people are obsessed with UFOs is because people don't like cognitively human beings don't like an open loop In their in their reasoning process.
You don't like it. I don't like it It's the reason that television series always end on a cliffhanger It's the reason that books end on cliffhangers It's the reason that you read emails from email marketers and they always tell you what they're going to tell you on the next email Right the human the human brain doesn't like an open loop. We like a closed loop. We like we like closure So when there's an open loop we get fixated on it So the idea of this mystery of what's in the sky we get naturally fixated on what could that be whether we want to or not?
We start theorizing could it be this could it be that could it be this we're trying to close the loop cognitively? That's what drives us compulsively with UFOs what drives us compulsively with aliens is actually a question of how human beings How we relate to mortality? You're gonna die someday. I'm gonna die someday Right now in our 40s where it's more it's more real to us than it was in our 20s when we probably both out we were impervious But imagine how we're gonna feel when we're 60 imagine how we're gonna feel when we're 80 Right the closer you get to death the more intense your questions start to become about Is there life after death?
Is there more after death? Am I really just a pile of a functioning like biological system? And then I'm gonna die my system's gonna stop working and I'm just gonna be dust Is that really all there is to it or is there more? And that question of is there more is what really drives our fixation with alien life Because what if there is life outside of earth?
What if when we die our spirits go somewhere outside of earth? What if there's some technology out there that these advanced creatures may have that could help me prolong my life? Right? What if there's something some great mystery that I haven't discovered in my 65 years of existence because I'm bored with everything of life And now the only thing that's that's new and unknown to me is this idea of alien life So the question of aliens is really interically connected with our with the human existence with our mortality Right?
So you can see that you can separate these two things one is a question of mortality One is an open loop of the mysteries of what's going on in the sky Now the reason that these two things have always been around but they've become so intensely mainstream Is because of the UAP report that the government released what is it two years ago now 2021 possibly 2022? The federal government finally released that they had been collecting information about UFOs and UAPs since the 1950s Once we heard That the federal government the CIA the DIA NSA had been actively collecting running intelligence operations against Russia for crying out loud They tried to collect information about UFOs and UAPs now all of a sudden what that did is it lend it government credibility To these two open loops that we've been suffering from for so long Which now made it so that maybe in secret you thought they were aliens But you never talked about it with your friends or maybe in secret you thought they were UFOs But you never mentioned it to your wife now all of a sudden the government's talking about it So now everybody can talk about it which opens up the conversation to everybody who has an opinion Right and there is real evidence out there that speaks to unidentified aerial phenomenon And that speaks to things in the sky that nobody can describe and then you've got the footage from the 2007 The Nimitz and the F-18s that were tracking multiple aerial vehicles that they couldn't describe they couldn't define Like there's all there's a lot of moving parts here that have now made it so that these two natural questions that all human beings have Have now become so mainstream we can talk and speculate all we want openly now without having to worry about anybody calling us crazy Do you have any theories on what these are? So I do actually I uh so I was mentioning to you I actually just finished shooting on a new television show and I can't speak about many details But but the show was for a mainstream cable channel and it was an investigation into the relationship between You know potential government coverups potential government secrets and what is going on that could help describe or explain some of these phenomenon that people have been seeing Whether it's phenomenon in the sky or phenomenon on the ground or or phenomenon that people experience physiologically Right is there a connection there? And you know when I get releases to talk about the show I'm happy to share it all with you But the point was we got to actually investigate these questions We got to look at data we got to travel we got to do some experiments to see if we could understand more about what what is actually happening with ufo phenomenon and how does it relate to the government right the u.s.
Government specifically What I've landed on is a couple of things so first There's there's absolutely classified information that we're not being shared that's not being shared with us And that sucks because without that information we don't have all the information. We can't make a sound conclusion for ourselves So there's absolutely some element that's being controlled by the government that doesn't mean that it's alien tech being controlled by the government It just means that some some being counter somewhere has chosen these 15 reports to not be shared publicly Who knows what they say but for sure there's some element where we're not being told all the facts the government has On top of that you've got real national security concerns. We are trying to develop new weapons all the time new aircraft new missile delivery systems Technology that we can't even fathom yet, right? Maybe there's hovercraft technology.
Maybe there's maybe there's who knows teleporting technology There's actual national security secrets that should be protected, which is different than the information that doesn't need to be protected But they're protecting it anyways So but between the government secrets that should be there and the government secrets that don't need to be there There's a lot of empty holes in our understanding So in my experience, I've seen strange lights in the sky We've gone to some of the areas out there where people have reported UFO sightings historic repeat UFO sightings I've seen some very strange lights in the sky. I've seen triangle patterns. I've seen Lights that jump from place to place I mean, I've literally traveled investigated and seen these things and I have no explanation for what they are But they're happening in the sky in certain places at high altitude Where are you saying these at? The southwest primarily if you're looking at the skies over Nevada, Arizona, Colorado That's a that's a really concentrated area there at the four corners.
Utah. That's a that's an area where there's a ton of concentrated Just strangeness, right? That's also an area. That's rife with government experimentation That's where we have all of our experimental flight zones.
That's where we have you have huge Areas of commercial air traffic that go through there plus it's wide open beautiful clear sky You can actually see satellites from Earth when you look up in an empty dark sky It's incredible what you can see in a normal sky. Most people don't take the time to look up Most people who do look up, they don't get that kind of a dark sky They get a sky with a lot of light pollution because they live in or near city So you might see 15 or 50 stars, but you don't see the milky way When you see the milky way you see All sorts of things moving in the sky that you never would have imagined you would see And part of the reason is because so many more people are putting up satellites now You've got space expots up satellites, governments put up satellites, commercial entities across the world put up satellites I mean for crying out loud at Tessie Lott, which is a French communications company Tessie Lott puts up satellites on an almost monthly basis building a network of satellite-based cellular communication that they use around the world commercially, right? So there's so much in the sky people see it all the time And we don't know what we're looking at. It's not doesn't pop up on on a flight tracker Nobody announced that they're going to put something in the sky.
You just start to see it Now a satellite looks pretty clear, right? It's a straight line. It moves at a steady speed starts in one place and another place But the stuff that's up there isn't always a satellite I've seen strange glowing orbs like balls of light that change direction I have no idea what that is. Is that an airplane that you seen that?
Oh, yeah, how many times? Maybe three and only in the last two months. Well, I've been shooting the show. Wow.
Well, what is it? Could it be? Could it be like An alien aircraft? Maybe it could also be a domestic aircraft that forgot to turn off its headlight Probably not but it could be it could also be a natural phenomenon.
I've learned about things like ball lightning Have you ever heard of ball lightning? No lightning The the environmental conditions that create lightning can actually be created on a small microcosm and in a ball So it's lightning in a ball. It just looks like a light in the middle of nowhere floating There's also indicators pre indicators of of earthquakes. There's geological effects that happen that release energy electromagnetic energy in the atmosphere When the energy comes up from a fault line and comes in contact with certain conditions in the atmosphere It creates lights in clouds almost like like a light switch in a cloud and all of a sudden the cloud is a light and floating Right, we know these things exist.
They've been studied. They've been talked about but they're not mainstream So how many of the lights that people are seeing that are strange are these true geological or aerial phenomenon that can be explained? Right unknown aerial phenomenon UAP versus known aerial phenomenon kap Unless you know the ball lightning exists. You're not gonna know what it looks like when you see it So there's there's this subset of celestial things satellites That we understand then there's a subset of just unidentified domestic or unidentified commercial things like aircraft And then you've got these natural phenomenon like ball lightning only after you've gotten through all three of those Do you get to the really really strange stuff?
And I mean that is stuff that I don't know whether or not I've even seen really really strange stuff because there's so much going on in the sky Yeah What do you think about free energy? A lot of people think that The government is hiding free energy from us. So you think that you know, it's interesting I know that I mean back when Nikola Tesla was experimenting with a way to create energy and Transfer it across large distances. It was always with an eye towards having it be free and accessible by all people Um, some of the places interestingly enough some of the places where there are large amounts of of UFO and UAP sightings Are actually also the same locations where Nikola Tesla had scoped them out as a transfer point for free energy Really because of the geology in those locations There's what I've come to confidently land on is that there is absolutely a connection between the geology of a location and the Energetics of that location highly impact UFOs and UAPs and let me just give you a real quick example There are parts of the country where the soil underground the the geological conditions underground are heavy in metals like iron ore or copper ore and Quartz which is a rock most of us know of quartz is right when those two conditions exist a heavy metal ore paired with quartz You're essentially creating a scenario in which the the molten core of the earth can charge an artificial battery or a natural battery Because the metal matched with the quartz creates a type of reaction where the energy from the core of the earth is stored in the quartz And then it's released to the surface through the quartz not through the actual core of the earth in areas that don't have a layer of quartz like that Energy is free-flowing But in areas where there is a heavy focus of or heavy concentration of quartz that battery power charges And then you actually see higher electromagnetic energy fields.
Okay, right? Sedona, Arizona someplace we were talking about recently There's a fantastic report online if you just do a quick google search for Sedona or look for Sedona, Arizona Magnetic anomalies right or u.s. Geological survey us gs Sedona, Arizona Magnetic anomalies look for look up that and you're going to come across a report from 2005 that the u.s Geological service did that talks all about how the ground underneath the city of Sedona is unique specifically because of this ability to capture and store energy from the core of the earth So fascinating thing Sedona, Arizona is also one of those areas where people report seeing Lots of strange UFOs sightings of things that can't explain energy vortexes that you know change and alter their psychology and their mental state I mean and Could it all be related to the energy that's happening underground? I would say yes, it absolutely could be related It even maybe like high probability medium confidence that it's related to the energy underground because it just all of those things Scientific they all make sense they all match up The difference that we have in a place like Sedona versus other parts of Utah, Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado Is that we don't know we don't know if those areas have the same kind of magnetic Geology like we see in Sedona So I mean it's all my way of saying that in my experience What we see in the sky is a real and they're really unexplained But we may not we may be reaching a little bit too far when we associate what we see in the sky with intelligent life What we see in the sky could could and is scientifically proven to be related to what happens underground So maybe we should be looking underground first and then considering life at altitude Right because if again, I like to put you and I in the position where what would we do If you were in charge of researching another planet And you were studying another planet and you and you saw in your studies that there's a natural energy source in a certain area of that planet That's probably the first place that you would go So when I think of the fact that there's a natural energy source under a place like Sedona, Arizona If I was a visiting intelligent life form, that's when the first place is I would go Why would I check out Arkansas?
Why would I go check out, you know, Wisconsin when I could check out What is this strange energy signature coming underground at this location in Arizona? Interesting very interesting. You know what else is interesting is all of these Wonders of the world the pyramids Stonehenge Machu Picchu is it Easter Island? These are all on fault lines.
Oh, I didn't know that. Did you not know that? No all of those are On top of fault lines. Wow what frequency and vibration?
Yep, and a crack and then in the crust that would allow energy to come out That's really interesting. I did not never make that connection. Yeah, that's it And then I don't know how many of them are connected this way But if you drew a line, you know from let's say Monopich, Machu Picchu to the pyramids Everything in between it's a you can take a line and go all the way around the earth And I can't remember how wide it is a couple hundred miles. I think All of these places existing up out yes, ha see it's that's the kind of stuff that really makes me Just so curious about what explains it all it's it's too Coincidental to be coincidence.
It's it's just reeks of some kind of intelligent design But what is that intelligent design right is that evidence of some kind of uh heaven and some kind of god is it evidence of Something like our planet was manufactured or created Is it evidence of the fact that we were once colonized in the past and then that civilization died and was replaced by dinosaurs And then died and was replaced by us like there's so many questions there Yeah, there's a lot of questions. All right, but um, but um Yeah, we could we could spend all day diving into this but but um But I think I think this is a good place to to end our conversation Um because we're getting into we're getting into things that we don't know about and everything up to this point has been very factual So Andy Thank you for all the knowledge. Um I learned a lot about China and a lot about the Ukraine Russia conflict that I didn't know before and it you've actually shifted my perspective on a little bit And and I have a little bit more confidence than americans might lock arms one day. Yeah, so I hope you're right All right, man.
I hope I'm right too. It's been an awesome awesome experience sitting here with you Sean I mean, this is these are the kind of conversations I love having And I mean if you're anything like me, we just don't get to have them very often Yeah, right. Yeah, there's a there's a lot of conversation that goes into daily chores and keeping the kids fed and having And making work happen and making careers happen and it's not often we get to just jump into this stuff we care about Yeah, and tease it out. Well, I really appreciate you coming and and all of your links will be Down in the description there and we'll be promoting this episode on all of our social media channels and and um, man I just I really hope to see you again.
No, I'll be back brother. That's for sure coming