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EPISODE · Sep 9, 2025 · 57 MIN

52 | Vapes, Lies, and Students' Constitutional Rights

from Chalk and Gavel: An Education Law Podcast · host Chalk and Gavel LLC

When can schools expel a student for lying? What happens when a student’s initial lie snowballs into a tangled web of police reports, intimidation, and false accusations? We’ve talked about smoking in the girls’ room, but what about vaping in the girls’ room? In this episode, we bring TLO into the 21st century. TLO was about smoking in the girls' room, but what happens when a student is accused of vaping in the girls' room? And then what happens when the student makes a bad situation worse by lying, accusing a teacher of impropriety, and intimidating a fellow student? This is the case of Ashton v. Okemos Public Schools. This one has a bit of everything: First Amendment free speech claims, Fourth Amendment reasonable search and seizure, Fourteenth Amendment procedural and substantive due process, lies, intrigue, a police investigation, you name it! We also provide a quick update to Texas's Ten Commandments law, which is very similar to Louisiana's law that we talked about in Episode 51, though of course, everything has to be bigger in Texas. --- Need some education law content for your courses or professional development? We have a Teaching Guide! You can check it out at our website, ⁠ChalkandGavel.com⁠. We'd also greatly appreciate it if you would consider supporting Chalk & Gavel by becoming a subscriber on Patreon. Your support will help us continue to deliver the education law content you want to hear! ⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/chalkandgavel⁠ --- Keywords: Vaping, Student Rights, Lies, Police Investigations, Religion in Schools, Ten Commandments#educationlaw #k12 #podcast #ChalkandGavel #StudentRights #DontVapeInSchools #TenCommandments

When can schools expel a student for lying? What happens when a student’s initial lie snowballs into a tangled web of police reports, intimidation, and false accusations? We’ve talked about smoking in the girls’ room, but what about vaping in the girls’ room? In this episode, we bring TLO into the 21st century. TLO was about smoking in the girls' room, but what happens when a student is accused of vaping in the girls' room? And then what happens when the student makes a bad situation worse by lying, accusing a teacher of impropriety, and intimidating a fellow student? This is the case of Ashton v. Okemos Public Schools. This one has a bit of everything: First Amendment free speech claims, Fourth Amendment reasonable search and seizure, Fourteenth Amendment procedural and substantive due process, lies, intrigue, a police investigation, you name it! We also provide a quick update to Texas's Ten Commandments law, which is very similar to Louisiana's law that we talked about in Episode 51, though of course, everything has to be bigger in Texas. --- Need some education law content for your courses or professional development? We have a Teaching Guide! You can check it out at our website, ⁠ChalkandGavel.com⁠. We'd also greatly appreciate it if you would consider supporting Chalk & Gavel by becoming a subscriber on Patreon. Your support will help us continue to deliver the education law content you want to hear! ⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/chalkandgavel⁠ --- Keywords: Vaping, Student Rights, Lies, Police Investigations, Religion in Schools, Ten Commandments#educationlaw #k12 #podcast #ChalkandGavel #StudentRights #DontVapeInSchools #TenCommandments

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