#52: We Are Not Machines! Agency & Science beyond Computationalism with Fotis and Yogi (Johannes Jaeger)

Send a love message#paradox of #love and #agency Yogi aka. Johannes Jaeger like to fashion himself as a natural philosopher. After having his own lab and being the director of an institute in Vienna he left academia for pursuing intellectual production independently. He is part of an science-art collective in Vienna called The Zone. His focus has been primarily focused on his book, Beyond the Age of #Machines, which he had been publishing incrementally in digital form. Fotis Tsiroukis is a cross-disciplinary researcher interested in the intersection between humanities, science and new media. Also a cyborg...Please join the Substack or Support us directly.Johannes JaegerThe ZoneLinkedIn FotisResearch FotisGiving PageIn this episode of the Love & Philosophy Podcast, host Fotis engages in a deep andthought-provoking conversation with Johannes "Yogi" Jaeger, a freelance scholar and biologist-turned-philosopher. Yogi critiques the dominant "machine worldview" that has shaped modernity, arguing that it has led human civilization to a dangerous "cliff edge". He advocates for a shift towards a process-oriented, relational metaphysics that emphasizes the interconnectedness of living systems and the limitations of computational models. Yogi also discusses the pitfalls of AI, the dangers of technological hubris, and the need for a new kind of science that reconnects us with reality. The conversation touches on themes of agency, the limitations of a computationalist worldview and the importance of tough love in guiding humanity towards a more sustainable and meaningful future.#computationalism1. [00:00:00] Snippets2. [00:02:10] Introduction (by Fotis)3. [00:10:00] Yogi as a Natural Philosopher4. [00:13:00] Critique of Modern Science5. [00:14:30] Yogi’s Journey of Dissilusionment: from Molecular Biologist to FreelanceTheorist6. [00:20:00] The Problem with the Academic System7. [00:25:00] The Need for a New Metaphysics8. [00:28:00] Getting Back in Touch with Reality9. [00:32:00] Postmodernism & Metamodernism10. [00:36:00] The Danger of Technological Hubris11. [00:40:00] Complexity Science and the Pitfalls of the Computationalist Wordlview12. [00:45:00] The Illusion of Total Control13. [00:49:00] The Misuse of AI14. [00:54:00] Preping for the Collapse of this Civilization15. [00:57:00] AI "Agents" aren't Real Agents16. [01:05:00] The Illusion of AI Sentience17. [01:10:00] The Free Energy Principle and Reductionism18. [01:20:00] The Importance of Relevance Realization19. [01:25:00] The Role of Relationality and Connection20. [01:30:00] Tough Love for Humanity21. [01:35:00] Closing ThoughtsYogi's Theory Paper on DynamicalMetamodernism PrimerBluesky: @lovephilosophy.substack.comFull intro and notes here.Care is not the opposite of love. It is the very urge of life. 'Caring for what?' is the primary question. That we have a choice about what we care for and how is what makes us human, but it's quite the challenge and responsibility. Let's help one another handle it.Support the showBuy Holding Paradox: The Navigational Approach to Mind and Consciousness by Andrea HiottSign up for Making Ways newsletter and projects.Please rate and review with love. YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Substack.