Hi, I'm Holly and I'm Hailey. Welcome to Mountain Mysteries Tales from Appalachia. Welcome back. Hello.
This time Hailey gave me a warning. I did. That was nice. You're welcome.
Yeah. You know, last week was weird. It was a weird time for all of us. Yeah.
I've begun any endeavor. What are you doing? So I'm teaching again. Oh, I know that.
So I'm teaching college students, which is fun because it's an elective course. So who really cares? You know, what I do. I feel like you're very invested.
There's no curriculum attached to it. I get to do whatever I want to do in there, which is kind of fun. So we can talk about things that I want to talk about. I think are important.
What do you talk about? I get a little bit of everything. We talk about that sounds vague. School, that's and the issues that comes.
Schools, schools. Yeah. Yeah. Issues.
Just these will come with them and that again feels super big. Yeah. I don't do right as syllabus for this. Yeah.
There's like week one. Yeah. Schools. Yeah.
This week is ethical dilemmas and culturally responsive practice. Wow. So I mean, that almost feels like a like a real legit, yeah. I mean, they pay me.
So it's well, young minds. So it's it's really scary. Yeah. Because I don't know what I'm doing half the time.
I can see that. I was kind of making it up as I go. I can see that. Which is fine.
Because this group is very young. Like so they don't question you. Right. Yeah.
You're kind of like a cult leader. A little bit. Yeah. I really like that.
Like they're very they're baby social workers. Which is fine. Yeah. But I feel as though like there's a couple in there that have like been doing us for a while and just need this for their like licensing credit.
Gotcha. But there's the majority of them are babies. And I say that with loving kindness because I too was once a baby social worker. Yes.
And you have to approach them with caution because you don't want them to think that the whole field sucks. Yeah. You don't. Yeah.
You don't want to scare them too bad. Right. So that's a fine line for me. Because I'm like you need to know that this is awful a lot of the times.
Yes. But not so awful that you run for the hills and never return. So I am not a social worker. But I will say that I have observed many a social worker.
And it's hard hard. I think you know working in the tool that's a really hard field. Yeah. Like you know.
So but yeah. There's a lot of crap that you see here and put up with and deal with emotionally which you are not compensated well for. And you have to kind of make a choice. Like is this career going to eat you alive?
Right. Or are you going to find some kind of middle balance? And I think I think one of the biggest factors in this is setting boundaries for yourself. Oh yeah.
But I try to instill in them. I try to teach them like hey it's okay to say no to things. Yeah. Hey it's okay to be like this is an unsafe situation and I'm not comfortable in the situation because that was not me early in my social worker.
No. You didn't say no. I didn't say anything and I put myself or I was put in and then agreeing to go in very unsafe situations. Yeah.
Which is you know shocking that came out in skates but yeah. So I tried that line of like how much do I tell them? Yeah. Of like I want them to be prepared and you want to almost like weed out.
Right. The ones that can't hang. Right. But also like know that it is such a learning curve.
You know what you should do? You should have done your first class is you're like okay. Half the class is stand up and then that's when you're like this clean up the ones that are standing up are the ones that aren't going to make it because this is a doggy dog field. You should have really scared the hell out of them.
I mean I'm hoping that they're doing that in their practice classes. No I didn't get scared shit. It worked until I was in the field like actually working and I was like oh my god. Well I think there is a I and this is just my perception because again I'm not a social worker but my perception is that they sort of give you this you're going to help.
You're going to help others. You're going to help children. You know and that's sort of how I was presented to do it like you know oh gosh you know that the help you're going to do and how much you're going to bring to this and so that's what the ideology is. What you don't know is the paperwork.
The dangerous situations. The constant being on call. The handling potentially life in that situation mentally for yourself. How much of that baggage is really really hard and how much of that that you take home.
The things that you couldn't accomplish. You couldn't do. The things that worry you at night. On top of audits, paperwork, deadlines, all those other things.
I mean you know it's it's more than just like oh yeah I went to the school and made sure little Johnny had food. Like yeah it's just like that would be great. That's like the best part of my job. Yeah yeah.
No it's yeah and so I do struggle a little bit with that of like how do I ensure but they're not going to be prepared until they're in it. Exactly. And that's what I do. And like no matter what I teach them like nothing is going to prepare them as much as like actually being in the field well.
Yeah so I try to encourage them to like really take hold of their internships and it's true because that's kind of a safety like placement whereas when you're like thrown out there and they're like hey go meet with us crack addict in a park to get paperwork signed by yourself at night. Yeah. And you're like all right cool. Gosh.
And you drive your little four-ass court to the park in the middle of the night all alone and meet this person who's an active addiction. They're like hey can you sign my clipboard? Yeah. Yeah.
And they do. And then you say bye. I remember one instance of having a client that was threatening. And there was a you know they had guns and there was some questions.
Yeah there was some you know we wouldn't be working with them anymore and having to say that to them and all of these things that were happening. And yeah. Yeah and that did not go well. So you know I mean there are situations where we are in very dangerous we have very dangerous moments.
And you know what though honestly I think that our brains sort of protects us in the sense that we don't know how dangerous it is until after the fact. Oh for sure. And they reflect on it. We're like holy crap.
What are we doing that? Like some situations that I've been in in the moment I'm like I got this just part of the job is what you do. Yeah. Like whatever.
And now being away from it I'm like like I should have died. Absolutely. Like should have died. Like should have been murdered or yeah like this is insane.
Yeah. What are the scallops? It is. But now I struggle being in a school system that has certain protocols and things in place because I'll be like oh if you're going to home visit I have to take somebody with me.
Like I either take an SRO or I have to take like another human being with me and I'm like but why? Because in my brain is not a human being. So I'm like why do I need to take somebody with me and they're like for safety. I'm like what does that mean?
Yeah I used to unsafe. I don't like crack addicts in the park. At night when I'm chosen. What we do.
No I just like I don't you know that's just such a bizarre that was such a bizarre concept for me. I'm like oh yeah like they want to know where we are like my principal would be like texting when you get there texting when you leave. We never let me know where you are at all times. And I'm like who are like why are you so over protective?
It's like because I'm literally responsible for your life right now. Meanwhile in our past life it was put yourself at risk. Get your documentation signed. Get your paperwork done.
It doesn't matter. Yeah I don't think I like to nobody's fault but like I never checked in. Like I would leave the office at like 7.38 o'clock in the morning to start like doing crap and I wouldn't come back and tell everybody was gone a lot of times. Like and I never like talked to anybody.
Yeah so could have easily been done to ditch it if we would have done it. Yeah. Until I didn't show up staffing on Wednesdays. Until that one time that you came in and said I ate onions.
Yeah how did she take me home? Very much allergic to so I had to take her home. She did. Bless her heart.
Well Holly what sort of debauchery do you have for us this week? Well I'm glad you asked. It's about a social work teacher. I hate saying murder.
This is about the baptism of a killer. Ooh I love a baptism. This is crazy story. I'm ready.
This story found me and I think that you know Haley can probably speak to this too. When we're researching stories sometimes it's really hard to just sort of find it and then sometimes it just finds you. So this story found me. We are headed to Charleston, West Virginia on the banks of Sugar Creek.
I know it's 1950 and a crowd of 200 onlookers watch as two men are taken one at a time and baptized by a minister in the chilly waters. You were a sprinkle or a dunk? A sprinkle Catholic. Sprinkle Catholic.
Father's out of the Holy Spirit. Yeah. Say I was a dunker. Oh yeah.
That's right. But not in the creek. I was in the church. Well I wish they had taken you down to the creek.
I think it would have probably been better for me. No I wore my little um we had these like weird I try to wear them. I was 11. Oh okay.
I had like shorts and like a t-shirt on and then they put you in this like robe type thing and then you get dunked and then you get to change out of the robe. I just wear it. Catch pneumonia. Yeah.
There's a lot of fabric. A lot of fat involved. Yeah. Yeah.
Which I guess is good. Yeah. Sure. But a lot of fabric.
See. So does a dunker. And Catholicism. You know you're doing it when they're babies.
Because the kind of the idea is saving their soul from the time they're really little. Right. Yeah. That's what I make that choice.
Exactly. For like. Oh well. Oh well.
Oh. Jesus. Exactly. Yeah.
I think I was 11. I have recently thought about like redoing it. So I'm about to get my son baptized. Oh yeah.
How exciting. I'll have you come out. Please do. I'd love to attend.
Yes. And then I have to be like. This is Harry. I'm sorry.
Hi. You know here I am. She's a Baptist and I'll have my head down. I'm sorry.
I actually know it's not even the being about to say. Yes. It's all the other things. The other things.
The Baptist thing is okay. Yeah. Yeah. No.
I was 11 but I am thinking about like. You sure. Well. What's really funny is my grandmother and I both have talked about it.
So I think we're going to be together. I love it. So my granny who just heard 80. Yeah.
Um. Was like yeah. I feel like I should you know. Re-dunk.
Yeah. Re-up. Do it. So I think it could be fun.
Could we take you guys down to the creek? I think so. We do a creek baptism as well. We have a met.
We do one. Um. Like we do a big one down at the creek and then we have the baptism as well as well. Do it.
Like during the summer obviously. Yeah. Go down to the creek. Don't come in and get dunked.
Oh. That's so fun. I'll see on by the riverbank. Yeah.
Yeah. You want my witnesses? Absolutely. Yeah.
That's the process. I love this. Yeah. So upon re-emergence from the water, the youngest man, his name was Harry.
He put his hands to the skies. Best he could and he shouted out quote, praise the Lord. I am saved. End quote.
Very nice. Yeah. That's beautiful. Harry's friend, Fred Painter.
He was up next to be baptized. Um, but he did not emerge from the water with the jubilation. Oh. You know, he just kind of did his thing.
Okay. Okay. Your baptized. So the two men had been friends for several years and each looked at the water before getting into their respective cars, never to see the place again.
Why you ask? Well, these two men were convicted murderers. Now why would they be allowed to come to the river for a baptism? Yeah.
Kind of a big question. So let's go back and talk about what they did. Yeah, let's do. Okay.
So we're going to July of 1949 and we can unpack this super weird story. Okay. So Harry, the guy who said, you know, praise the Lord, I'm saved, he was 25 years old and was into petty crime, stealing and such. He was considered to be a very intelligent, very good looking, charming young man.
Harry had befriended Fred Painter. Fred by all accounts was seemingly delayed. Oh. Though papers at the time would refer to him as an individual with limited wit.
Okay. How kind? Yeah. Fred was 28 and relied heavily on Harry to tell him what to do.
Okay. Fred was much more of a follower and Harry was definitely the leader. When Harry would engage in theft, pimping and bootlegging. Wow.
Yeah. It's quite a business, you know, lots of things. He often brought Fred along to complete the jobs to which Fred did not have the capacity to object. So he was kind of just along for the ride.
Yeah. On the morning of July 31, 1949, Harry and Fred entered a pool hall on Summer Street in Charleston. Now, I don't know how many pool halls are open in the morning. I mean, I guess this one?
Sure. Come on. Come on down. I don't know.
So when is the state that Harry and Fred came into the pool hall around 11 a.m. and swiftly began drinking? Yeah, that's early. That's really early.
That's full on for, you know, usually I'm on my second cup of coffee at this point. I don't roll into the pool hall until 5.30. 6 p.m. By 6 p.m.
I'm like, whoo, two hours to bed. Right? Yeah. So their debauchery continued over the next 12 hours.
So in total, the two men had a case of beer between them. Okay. Four and a half pints of whiskey. Wow.
Yeah. That's a lot of this. I was like, okay. So between them, that's not that much.
And then four and a half pints of that's a lot. That's not a lot of. And in the middle of all this, they would alternately stumble, yell, and shoot pool. So have a drink, shoot pool, stumble, scream, you know, I mean, that kind of just sounds like a while.
Like, yeah, like that's par for the course for the wall. Yeah. Absolutely. I don't see any debauchery in that.
There's more. Okay. So at one point in the evening, the two even took several yellow jacket pills, otherwise known as barbituets, the common prescription names at the time were second all, phenobarbital, nimbutal, and amputol. So street names for drugs included, yellow jackets for the yellow pills, reds, pennies, barbs, tootsies, and redbirds for the red pills.
I mean, I'm still like, okay, drug use not great, but still, I'm not mad. Okay. So now we have two men who spent the whole day consuming mass amounts of alcohol and taking barbituets. It's important to know here that barbituets are known as downers because they actually calm your brain, your respiratory system, they make you sleepy.
And second all was a common drug back in this time period. I mean, Hollywood celebrities were taking it as sleeping aids. Oh, yeah. You know, it was not difficult to get your hands on barbituets.
Absolutely not. And so alcohol itself is also known as a depressant because it depressants, uh, depressors or slows down your speech, your movements, your ability to react. So essentially you're creating a zombie. Yeah.
So when you pair downers and depressants together, a person's ability to have rational and clear thoughts along with sharp physical reactions are very limited. Yeah. So I'm actually shocked they didn't just like pass out. Right.
Like, I just don't understand how you're still moving at this point. So it's close to midnight when the two men leave the pool hall and start walking along Summer Street. They see a newspaper boy on the street corner yelling out x-ray x-ray. We're all about it.
Oh, wow. Which it's hard nowadays to reconcile like a 12 year old boy out on a street corner past midnight. But apparently in the late 19th and early 20th century, this was very common. Okay.
Because they were putting out, uh, different editions of the paper. So instead of just being like, well, wait till morning to report on it. They were like, we've got to run into other edition. And that's why they had the young boy out on the street corner.
Like, what? Like, what? Correct. And he would be out there like, we're all about it.
Is it yelling at people? Yeah. This is ridiculous. This child paper laws.
So Harry and Fred walk up to this young newsy and they buy a bundle of gazettes. Okay. I'll take what you sell a little solo. So they buy his newspapers and they stumble off into the streets.
So they end up trying to sell, they're trying to sell these newspapers to basically anyone they come across. You want to buy a paper? Like, just, I guess they're trying to make a profit off of them. I don't really understand.
So they don't really get a lot of bites. I know. Shocking. I mean, I don't know about you, but I don't typically want to buy my newspaper from some to stumbling drum.
No, I've been nice. You were high. No. Also high on the streets.
And yes, in the dark, no. If I came upon them, I would run the other way. Right. So yeah, strange.
Not right. So it's around this time that Edward O'Brien, also known as Eddie, he was a 31 year old soda salesman, starts to exit a taxi cab. He has a bottle of wine underneath his right arm. Eddie was headed to spend a quiet evening with his girlfriend.
Oh, yeah. Again, what is it? Why is this so bustling? Like, it's like midnight.
What are you doing? At this point, I've been asleep for four hours. Like, I have been at the bed. It's just weird.
I don't, I've not seen the midnight hour. I don't even see it on New Year's. I did make it on New Year's. I didn't.
So yeah, it's just strange. So anyway, so the taxi stops at the corner of Washington and Summer Street. Eddie pays the fare and begins walking towards his girlfriend's home. And he was unaware that Harry and Fred had been watching him.
Oh, they noticed that he had a bottle of wine underneath his arm. They don't need anymore. They wanted it. I mean, all right.
You know what, we probably didn't have any money left at the pool hall. We had just, they're trying to sell this paper. It's not working. What's our papers?
So I guess we're gonna take this bottle of wine. Time to take the wine. So they swiftly ran up to Eddie and they knocked him to the ground. Oh, okay.
Eddie fell face down onto the side. Oh, yeah. Got to hurt. Harry and Fred began kicking Eddie in the head and the body.
Oh, just take his mind and go. Exactly. Well, he must have the wine must have fallen at this point. So onlookers began watching this horrific scene, but doing nothing to stop it.
Fred pulled a switch blade in his pocket and waved it menacingly at the crowd while Harry continued to stomp on Eddie's head. Harry was heard by a witness shouting, I'm going to stop your GD brains out. End quote. I have a school.
I didn't say it for a shitty bottle of wine. I don't know. It may have been from France, whatever, but still. So the crowd of onlookers quickly grew to more than 150 people.
They each watched in horror as the two men took turns stomping and beating Eddie. Eventually, the police arrived in what was described as quote, a long few minutes later. End quote. The two men didn't struggle and were quickly taken into custody.
Eddie was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival. His skull had been completely crushed. Oh, yeah. What the heck?
Why? All of these people and nobody does anything. I mean, I get the newspaper boy. He's 12.
Right. But nobody else. Also, it is midnight. Where are 150 people coming from?
I'm like, well, what are you? Was there a monster truck rally? They were coming from the property. Was everybody at the pool hall?
Everybody at like, is there a concert? What on earth? Why are there so many people on the street? It's not like this is New York City.
No, this is true. It's Virginia. I don't get it. I don't know why the joint was jumping like that.
I mean, but nobody did anything. Nobody did anything. But you know, how many times have we heard stories where you just have people who are kind of frozen and they don't do anything? Yeah.
Maybe they were really terrified by the knife, you know. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe everybody was drunk.
Maybe. That's probably the only reason you have to help that lady. Or on yellow jackets. We don't know.
Possibly. So at the station, Harry recalls his day and says that he had this altercation with Eddie. He says, you know, he went up to Eddie and said, hey, you want to buy a newspaper? And, oh, no, actually he says Eddie comes up to him and wants to buy the newspaper.
And Harry says, I told him it was my last one and I was taking it home. Okay. This story doesn't make sense when plenty of onlookers said you tried to sell them newspapers. Right.
So this is weird. So he also claimed that Eddie is the one who took out a knife and started swinging it at them. He says that beating him was the only way he could protect him and Fred against the knife attack. So now he's claiming self defense.
Okay. But witnesses saw the two men with the knife, not Eddie, the victim. Right. And I think once you got him down on the ground, I think that's poor self defense ends.
I absolutely 100%. Yeah. And the things that he shouted. Yes.
Harry and Fred were charged with first-degree murder. The prosecutor in the case was described as a quote, no-holds bar professional who was actively seeking the death penalty against both men. Several witnesses of the event got on the stand and testified to the horrific nature of the crime and repeated the statement that Harry would quote, stop Eddie's brains out. Okay.
Each man was given two separate trials about a month apart. Harry's defense was that he blacked out due to his excessive drinking and drug taking. His defense claimed that he had no memory of the killing and only came to once he was in jail. So you don't remember telling someone you're going to smash their brains in?
Not great. I mean, I don't know. While Harry's defense was that he blacked out, Fred's defense painted him as a developmentally delayed or slow individual. His attorney argued that he was merely going along with what Harry told him to do, which I mean could be accurate.
Right. So basically, you can't kill him because he's delayed and he was coaxed into doing whatever Harry told him. Got it. The jury didn't really buy any of these stories.
Largely because of the damning witness accounts, they were both found guilty and sentenced to death. Okay. So they would in fact be the first two people in West Virginia to receive the new fangled electric chair known as Old Sparky. Old Sparky.
Old Sparky. Wow. Yeah. So incredible.
It is. So prior to this, those on death row would die by hanging. Right. Yeah.
According to the papers at the time, the electric chair was considered a much more sophisticated way of reading society of its undesirables. Hmm. Oh, you know, it takes time. And we can just get them in and get them out of this chain.
Which would you prefer? Honestly, neither. A lethal injection would be my go to, but um, if you had to pick. Maybe electric chair.
I'm going to hang in. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
I don't. Both are. Yeah. They both sound awful.
I don't like. I don't like. Yeah. I'm going to go with that.
I don't care what you say. Okay. You get home. Yeah.
And hang. Hang. Whatever. Yeah.
Where's Hailey? She's hanging around. She'll haunt me in the future. Yeah.
Yeah. Future life. So while Harry was appealing his conviction and waiting it out on death row, he was befriended surprisingly by a local newspaper reporter. The reporter had gone to meet Harry to get the inside scoop, you know, but soon the two headed off and actually became friends.
Harry told the journalist that he had been going to religious services at the prison and really felt like a changed man. Okay. Then he says, there's something I'm really interested in now. I want to get baptized.
The journalist told him he was crazy and that the warden and the sheriff would never allow this. Like, you know, it's just ridiculous. Like you wouldn't be allowed outside the prison. You're on death row.
So basically the only way he could leave prison was going to be in a body bag. You know, but Harry insisted. No, it's going to happen. So the journalist even went to the warden and was like, Oh, this is crazy.
You know, he's got this crazy request and the warden said, No, we're on board. Okay. Yeah. The warden did ask however that the story of the baptism not be published until after it occurred because the warden was aware that the public, you know, had some feelings in regard to Harry.
And if they found out they would try and attend and possibly, you know, take matters into their own hands. So the journalist was like, absolutely no problem. So he went back to Harry and told him, yeah, I guess the baptism is on. And it was going to take place in March 1951 prior to the execution date.
Okay. So Harry asked that the baptism could occur at Sugar Creek where he grew up and the warden said, sure, I mean, why not? Okay. This is a very agreeable, very accommodating one.
Absolutely. She don't see often. So Harry told the journalist that he was allowed to come and even bring someone to take pictures of the event. Like, yeah, come on, write about it.
No problem. Even though the warden said, you know, don't say anything, you know, he also mentioned that his old pal Fred wanted to get baptized too. And you know what, he was changed. God had changed him too.
So come on down Fred, let's do this. So in early March 1951, Harry and Fred were each escorted by the sheriff and his officers to two awaiting police cars, each on an intro towards Sugar Creek. But their secret was not much of one because 200 people followed them to Sugar Creek to his baptism. And fun fact, the journalist did not keep his promise of the warden and went ahead and published the story.
Yes, on the right. Yeah. They crowded around the banks to watch while the journalist and his cameraman stood across on the opposite side to get the best vantage point. Of course, one by one, Harry and then Fred were baptized and returned to their police cars.
A photograph taken of the at the creek of Harry was published in local and national papers. After the baptism, the warden was interviewed by local reporters who asked what Harry was really like. And the warden stated, off the record, which is always on the record. Harry Burnett is one of the best prisoners we've ever had here.
I only wish I could release him tonight. He would be a valuable member of our society. Oh, really? What are all Fred's families about that?
I mean, Eddie? Yeah. Yeah. Real valuable member.
Yeah. Two weeks later, on March 23, 1951, Harry and Fred were collected from their cells and prepared for their deaths. Two men dressed in black with large wrist swatches were employed from the Ohio Penitentiary System to help West Virginia carry out their first electric chair death sentence. Wow.
Public executions had been outlawed since the 30s, and now all punishments of death could only be witnessed by the victims' families and the prisoners' families and then some from the media, which is actually still how he is. Harry's friend, the journalist, was an attendant. Of course he was. He had to get the inside.
Yeah, he had to be there. It was reported that the warden gave a nod to the guard, which indicated it was go time. The guard wrapped sharply on the door two times and it opened. Harry was the first to be brought into the room.
Without hesitation, he went directly to the chair and sat down. Atop his head, Harry had a large, um, like round spot where they had actually shaved off his head to put the electrodes. He also had a slit in his right pant leg where additional wiring would be placed. The two officials from Ohio swiftly began to place the electrodes on Harry's head and leg, whilst making sure he was securely strapped into the chair.
Once they completed their task, they moved back. All the while, Harry was watching the men and appeared very calm. The word addressed Harry and asked if he had any last words. Harry stated, quote, yes, warden, skein, I do want to thank Reverend King for all the comfort he has given me.
And to you, warden, I want to apologize for all the trouble I have caused you and the trouble I am causing you tonight, end quote. Harry took a long pause and believing that he was finished talking, a guard tried to put a black mask over his eyes. Harry pulled it up, looked right. I guess he didn't pull it up.
Maybe he kept talking. I don't know. Um, I guess he tried to like kind of move it a little. Harry looked right at his journalist friend and his last words were, quote, so long, Jim, a few minutes later, Harry was pronounced dead.
Within 14 minutes, both Harry and Fred had been successfully executed without any issues. I do want to add here that after Harry and Fred left the Creek post baptism, the crowd seemed inspired. So others got into the water to be baptized. So women and women, even children got into the water to be baptized.
So after witnessing Harry's transformation, many called for the execution to be called off. Yeah, Harry said that he was grateful for their efforts, but insisted he was ready to die, ready to meet God. There were naysayers who believe that Harry's newfound religion was only a means of manipulation. I say, you know, that's kind of up to Harry and his makers.
Like we don't truly know people's hearts. Yeah, it's a, it's a, yes, the big guy. Yeah. So Harry and Fred did do a newspaper interview before the execution to which they said that they were so drunk, they had no idea what they were doing to Eddie.
Here's some interesting, you know, where you might be swayed a little. Okay. They said quote, we hope and pray this will make people stop and think before drinking the state's whiskey and beer. End quote.
They continued, they sell you the state's whiskey and beer, and then they get you into a drunken brawl and then someone gets killed and they want to take your life for it. End quote. And Harry also said, Fred Painter and I know that whiskey is the cause of all of this. And we should be punished, but we are not guilty of any such crime as murder.
Uh, here in the store, you think he's found redemption. Yeah. He has found the Lord. He is repentant.
He recognizes what he did and he has given it to God and he is forgiven of his sins. I mean, that's what baptism is. You're sort of, yes, I'm washed in the blood. I am purify.
You know what I mean? Like I give my life to God. I, but then the turnaround, I like not take a camibilary. It's somebody else's fault that I got ridiculously drunk.
Yeah. It's somebody else's fault that I, you know, killed this guy. I didn't really kill him. This stated.
I think this is bull crap. Yeah. I don't like that. So while as much as I hope that he really did find God, and his baptism was his attempt at redemption, this whole statement just does not so well.
If you know it's the state's fault that you drunk yourself stupid. I don't know. I don't know. So yes, they probably were so drunk.
They didn't know what they were doing. Okay, sure. At the same time, you were also in control of what you were doing, what you were drinking, what you were taking. Yeah, you made the choice to do that.
They had a history of criminal behavior. So it wasn't like they were these sweet church going boys who were like, Oh no, someone got me drunk. Like, no, you did this. I don't know.
I just have such mixed feelings about this because the story starts. It's horrific. You're like, Oh my gosh. And then it's like, he found Jesus.
And you're like, good for him. And then it inspires others. You're like, this is great. And then that interview and you're like, Oh, and G.
Yeah, it's a crazy story. That's pretty wild. Yeah. Yeah.
So, you know, that is my story. Wow. Yeah. Wow.
Yeah. I do like whiskey. I'm just I do. I am a whiskey out.
I like whiskey. Yeah. But I usually have a shot of whiskey. And then that's it.
I mean, I don't mix it with barbiturids. So I think that's where we differ. That is well, I don't even wear like from, you know, from the story that's always different. We don't, you know, actively take her as you.
It's so no, no, no, no, no, if anything, I have a hard time sleeping. And I don't do anything for it. I just kind of, you know, I think I'm in that parry menopausal state where I just wake up at night. And then the one night I actually am sleeping through the night, my child will wake me up.
There you go. Yeah. And then I can't go back to sleep. Yeah.
It drives me crazy. It's usually about two hours of me just being awake. I hate it. Yeah.