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AF - Agents vs. Predictors: Concrete differentiating factors by Evan Hubinger

<a href="https://www.alignmentforum.org/posts/eQ4eLQAmPvp9anJcB/agents-vs-predictors-concrete-differentiating-factors">Link to original article</a><br/><br/>Welcome to The Nonlinear Library, where we use Text-to-Speech software to convert the best writing from the Rationalist and EA communities into audio. This is: Agents vs. Predictors: Concrete differentiating factors, published by Evan Hubinger on February 24, 2023 on The AI Alignment Forum. Thanks to Paul Christiano and Kate Woolverton for useful conversations and feedback. In "Conditioning Predictive Models," we devote a lot of effort into trying to understand how likely predictive models are compared to other alternatives in realistic training regimes (and if we do get a predictive model how we might align it). Here, I want to point to some very concrete behavioral differences that I think effectively differentiate predictive and non-predictive models both in theory and (hopefully) in practice as well. I think that thinking about predictive models as specifically those models that are sensitive to what I'll be talking about here can be quite clarifying, and I think these factors could present a clear pathway for getting empirical evidence on to what extent models are well-described as predictors in practice—e.g. as it relates to the RLHF conditioning hypothesis. Furthermore, a common objection I sometimes hear to thinking about predictive models in particular (and looking into the dangers from them as a relatively separate problem) is that a model being itself deceptively aligned vs. predicting what a deceptively aligned model would do are essentially the same. While I think they are both similarly dangerous when acting directly in the world, I think they are pretty substantially different failure modes in terms of how you might go about addressing them and what sort of levers you have to control and detect them—and I think that the concrete differentiating factors here should make it pretty clear how I think they differ. Sensitivity to distributional information Consider two AI models. Model A is a deceptively aligned agent; it has some long-term goal that it cares about and is playing the training game now to try to eventually achieve that goal later. Model B is a predictor, but a poorly conditioned one such that it is attempting to predict what it thinks a deceptively aligned agent would do conditional on being in a training regime that matches the model's current training regime. Now, suppose you give both models some concrete information about the general distribution of deceptively aligned AIs. For example, you provide definitive proof that most deceptively aligned AIs trained in similar training regimes end up with goal X. Model A, the actual deceptive agent, doesn't really care about this new information very much: maybe it's relevant to the extent that it might need to cooperate with other AIs, but it's not going to directly change the model's goals. Model B, on the other hand, is extremely sensitive to reliable information on this topic: if you can really convince it that most deceptively aligned AIs in similar situations will end up valuing X, it should shift to predicting a deceptively aligned AI that values X instead of whatever goals it used to think a deceptively aligned AI might have. In this particular example, "does the model have goal X" isn't something we know how to directly measure for a deceptively aligned model, so this particular case isn't useful as a way to test for agents vs. predictors, but it is a concrete way in which these two different sorts of models are fundamentally not the same and will eventually behave differently because of that. That being said, I think there are ways in which you might be able to test this sort of sensitivity to distributional information that would be possible to check and evaluate. For example, suppose you're trying to distinguish between a predictive model generating from a distribution of things it thinks helpful AIs would say vs. an agent trying to act helpful. If you then give that sort of a model concrete information about what most helpful AIs tend to do, ...

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Link to original articleWelcome to The Nonlinear Library, where we use Text-to-Speech software to convert the best writing from the Rationalist and EA communities into audio. This is: Agents vs. Predictors: Concrete differentiating factors, published by Evan Hubinger on February 24, 2023 on The AI Alignment Forum. Thanks to Paul Christiano and Kate Woolverton for useful conversations and feedback. In "Conditioning Predictive Models," we devote a lot of effort into trying to understand how likely predictive models are compared to other alternatives in realistic training regimes (and if we do get a predictive model how we might align it). Here, I want to point to some very concrete behavioral differences that I think effectively differentiate predictive and non-predictive models both in theory and (hopefully) in practice as well. I think that thinking about predictive models as specifically those models that are sensitive to what I'll be talking about here can be quite clarifying, and I think these factors could present a clear pathway for getting empirical evidence on to what extent models are well-described as predictors in practice—e.g. as it relates to the RLHF conditioning hypothesis. Furthermore, a common objection I sometimes hear to thinking about predictive models in particular (and looking into the dangers from them as a relatively separate problem) is that a model being itself deceptively aligned vs. predicting what a deceptively aligned model would do are essentially the same. While I think they are both similarly dangerous when acting directly in the world, I think they are pretty substantially different failure modes in terms of how you might go about addressing them and what sort of levers you have to control and detect them—and I think that the concrete differentiating factors here should make it pretty clear how I think they differ. Sensitivity to distributional information Consider two AI models. Model A is a deceptively aligned agent; it has some long-term goal that it cares about and is playing the training game now to try to eventually achieve that goal later. Model B is a predictor, but a poorly conditioned one such that it is attempting to predict what it thinks a deceptively aligned agent would do conditional on being in a training regime that matches the model's current training regime. Now, suppose you give both models some concrete information about the general distribution of deceptively aligned AIs. For example, you provide definitive proof that most deceptively aligned AIs trained in similar training regimes end up with goal X. Model A, the actual deceptive agent, doesn't really care about this new information very much: maybe it's relevant to the extent that it might need to cooperate with other AIs, but it's not going to directly change the model's goals. Model B, on the other hand, is extremely sensitive to reliable information on this topic: if you can really convince it that most deceptively aligned AIs in similar situations will end up valuing X, it should shift to predicting a deceptively aligned AI that values X instead of whatever goals it used to think a deceptively aligned AI might have. In this particular example, "does the model have goal X" isn't something we know how to directly measure for a deceptively aligned model, so this particular case isn't useful as a way to test for agents vs. predictors, but it is a concrete way in which these two different sorts of models are fundamentally not the same and will eventually behave differently because of that. That being said, I think there are ways in which you might be able to test this sort of sensitivity to distributional information that would be possible to check and evaluate. For example, suppose you're trying to distinguish between a predictive model generating from a distribution of things it thinks helpful AIs would say vs. an agent trying to act helpful. If you then give that sort of a model concrete information about what most helpful AIs tend to do, ...

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