Anjette Lyles

Hi, I'm Holly. And I'm Hailey. Welcome to Mountain Mysteries Tales from Appalachia. Well, welcome back folks.

It's been a hot minute. It's been a hot minute. But as we were back. Last time we were here we talked about the Brinkley College Ghost.

Yeah. That was a great episode. That was really fun. Yeah.

I like that one. It's December now. It is December. Yeah.

Oh, ho, ho. Merry Christmas and happy holidays. That's right. Yeah.

It's cold here. It's nippy. It is nippy. Yes.

And I do not care for that. No, it's going to be this cold. Oh, really? I hate it.

I hate the feeling of being trapped in my house with my child. Oh, yeah. I adore him. Right.

But no. And I have the ability to work remotely in my job or be there in person. And if they're closed I still have to work remotely. Right.

So working at home trapped in a house with my child. Not able to go anywhere. He can't go to school. I mean, that sounds awful.

No. I'm sorry, y'all. I'm that mother. No.

I feel like I'm a good mother. I'm just not built to be a stay at home kind of mom. Right. That's just not me.

I'm just, I'm not good at that. Yeah. Well, he had the age now to where like he can do things independently, but he still like wants you. He wants me all the time.

He's an only child. He loves his mama. And that's hard because I also have work that loves me. Yeah.

He loves me all the time too. So that is very challenging. Yeah. Yeah.

So no, I hate snow. And yeah, sorry to burst anybody's bowl. Yeah. I hate it.

Snow hater. I love snow. I love snow. We had like a couple of weeks ago, we had a weird snow event here where they weren't calling for anything and they were like, oh yeah, maybe a dusting or whatever.

We had like five inches of snow. How? It's a little bit of rain. Yeah, we didn't have anything close to the coffee.

Yeah. Well, we were, my mom and I were actually out and about and we were driving back home and all of a sudden all the roads were so icy. So we ended up thankfully getting off the interstate and taking some back roads, but they were still so slick. And by the time we got home, we were like, oh, because we live kind of up on a ridge and so we're like, how are we going to get up the hill?

But we made it. Oh, it's always icy. So up 2017 around New Year's and I remember this so well, we had a horrific ice storm. Yeah.

And it came out of nowhere. Yeah. Nobody expected it. And I had been visiting my parents and I had gotten on the freeway and cars were sliding off like they were going two miles an hour.

It took me, so normally from my parents, it's about 40 minutes to my house. It took me two hours to go home. Oh, yeah. And once I finally got home, I was like, okay, I'm not going anywhere.

Right. I'm here. But then I did think, oh my gosh, I need to get some food. And so I went out to the grocery store, you know, gently and it was terrible.

The roads were awful and my grandma called me and she was supposed to come for New Year's Eve and she lived probably 35 minutes away. And she was like, oh my gosh, Holly, I'm stuck in the Sherwin Williams parking lot. Can you come and get me? And I was like, oh, it's dicey, but I'll try.

So I went and drove to get her. I was so unedged the whole time. I felt like I wasn't breathing. I was so scared.

And people were just, I was just watching people drive off into ditches and hit holes. And it was like, oh my gosh. It's going to be me. It's going to be me.

Well, I got to her safely. I got her in the car. And she was like, I got to go to the bathroom. And I was like, I don't know if I can stop.

I'm going to need you to hold it. And so we got a couple miles down the road and she's like, no, I have to go to the bathroom. So my car kind of glided into a gas station. And she went in, she used the potty.

And we got back home. Meanwhile, everybody's blowing up my phone. And it's on the Bluetooth speaker. And so they're like, are you here yet?

I'm like, stop calling me. Click. And so finally on the last time they call and my grandma's like, what do they want? And so my grandma hits the button.

And she goes, we are trying to drive. Stop calling us. We'll let you know when we get there. Click.

Because both of us were just on edge. It was just so. But we made it. We didn't slide any at all.

Like, thank God, I had that Toyota Raphour. Oh, yeah. That Raphour saved my life. So it was a good one.

It's a good one. So go buy yourself a Raphour. It's a tremendous vehicle. I don't have it now, but it was a tremendous vehicle.

It was great. It was. I know. It's hard to live in the mountains without either a four-wheel driver or a wheel drive.

Exactly. Like it's very difficult to not have a vehicle like that. Yeah, my boyfriend has a two-wheel drive vehicle. So anytime he has to go out in the weather like that, he usually just takes my car.

As he should. Because I'm like, oh. I pulled up today as a recording here at Halley's Mansion. It's a freaking used car lot out there.

It does look like it. It does. So my brother has his car. And then he has a truck as well that he's had since he was in high school.

Yeah. And then he marcoises cars out there. Mine's parked in the shed garage. It's not really a garage.

It's like a shed. But my car, my brother's car in there. And then we have another vehicle that's sitting out there that is just, it doesn't run. But my brother had taken it from a friend and said, oh, I'll sell it for you.

Like over, I feel like two years ago. OK. That car is set there. And I'm like, it's got to go.

So yeah, there's a lot of vehicles. It's a lot. It's a lot. But it is nice because it always looks like somebody's here.

That's true. So it's, you know, I mean. Definitely does. You are turning into that country house.

It's like, well, we just put it up on your gender blocks. Yeah. That's getting scary. It's getting to that point.

Well, well, I do like the idea that if all the vehicles are not here, it does still look like somebody's here. It's true. And we have cameras around our house. So I just can't make myself at home.

No, you can't sneak up. But our trailer front door was unlocked the other day. I had left. And I guess I didn't lock the front door when I left to go to work.

Yeah. And because I went on the back door because it's easier to get to my car. And so that door was locked. Well, my grandmother came to pick up the dog later than day because they like to have her evening hangouts.

Obviously. So she came and picked her up. And she was like, oh, yeah, I went in. And she decided to have my key.

But your front door was unlocked. She looked so I didn't want to get back when I left. And I was like, OK, but then I was thinking I was like, we have cameras. So like, yeah.

Obviously, I would know if somebody walked up to our house. So I was like checking the camera. It has to make it alert to me when they're feeling it. But I was still making sure they just never know.

I wandered into our house. Exactly. Maybe they were looking to buy that, you know, dead Ford. Yeah, maybe.

You never know. I mean, if anyone's interested in it, I think it needs a whole new engine. Oh my gosh. It doesn't run.

It had to be towed to our home. Get it out of our yard. Exactly. So that's my, I mean, it's not my new age.

Seriously, you should do. Put it on your Facebook marketplace. You know, just explain. It doesn't run.

You know, put it for a good cheap price that someone could easily fix, especially if they have mechanical skills. Yeah. And you get a cut. You get 20% because you were the one who posted to your marketplace.

Just saying. Yeah. Trying to help you out, friend. Thanks a lot.

You're welcome. Well, let's talk about murder. That's why we're here. All right.

So what do you got for us this month? OK, so we are going to Georgia. Nice. Yes, and making Georgia.

OK. I also love Georgia. I really only have been to Atlanta. Georgia.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I've been driven through it a million times. I feel like on ways to Alabama or Florida.

OK, so we are traveling to Georgia, and we're going to talk about a female serial killer. I feel like they're so rare. They are so rare. OK, I'm excited.

This is a story of Annette Elias. So she was born as Annette Donovan. And then she married Benjamin Franklin Lyle. Lyle's Benjamin Franklin Lyle's in October of 1947.

Oh, yeah. So we're going to back a little bit. Oh, and old fashion serial killer. Well, elated.

Elated. So they lived in a nice apartment on Poplar Street in Macon, Georgia. Ben helped to run the family restaurant. Lyle's restaurant is a 30-year-old family business.

So this was their family thing. They ran this restaurant. So after they got married, Annette was pregnant within weeks of them being married, which was. Common.

And people were doing the math, just making sure the math math. The math math, yeah. That was the honeymoon pregnancy, for sure. So she gave birth to a daughter, Marcia Elaine.

Later in July. So she had a married. Marcia? Yeah, but so south.

It's probably Marcia. It's probably Marcia. So they got married in October. And she had a baby in July.

Wow. So fast. Very fast. So after they got married, Ben, unfortunately, she's had this baby.

So Ben starts staying out late. He's drinking. He's gambling. Doing all the naughty things.

Doing all the naughty things. She's a homie. She's a homie. She's a homie.

Baby. All kinds of example. Yeah. Well, and she was also helping her mother-in-law, Julia, run the restaurant.

So she has this young child helping the family restaurant. The husband's out blowing the money kind of thing. It's just not great. So Ben had been in the army, which was pretty common.

And that time, most men had been in the army. But he actually got rheumatic fever while he was in the army. And it affected his heart. He went to the VA hospital in Dublin, where he was declared completely disabled and got a pension from his time in the military.

So during that time, Annette has another daughter, Carla, in May of 1951. And shortly before that, Ben suddenly sold the restaurant. He was like, OK, I'm done with this. I'm selling the restaurant.

Wait, the family with the one on my desk. Or maybe it was in his name. And everybody else worked there. I don't know.

But he sells the restaurant. Or guess how much? $500,000. No, this is in the 50s.

OK. $100,000. $2,500. But it was worth significantly more.

Oh, I'm sure. Oh my gosh. Even in the 50s. Wow.

Yeah. So sells the restaurant for $2,500. He continues to drink. And his disability was reduced by 90%.

Why? I don't know if it was because of his behavior or I don't know. I don't know what would have caused the VA to. But VA benefits are different, too.

I mean, he could have been reassessed. I guess maybe someone caught him out, live in his best life. And was like, wait a minute. You're not about to say.

Right. Yeah, I don't know. That's strange. OK.

So it's reduced by 90%. So he's getting about 10% of what he had been getting from disability. And he has no other income because he's a restaurant. Annette was then forced to beg relatives for money so that she could provide for the two kids.

So she was trying to get it all together. OK. In December, I don't have to 51, Ben starts getting really sick. He suddenly starts to begin bleeding from his nose and mouth.

He became delirious, his arms and his legs started swelling. And at times, his whole body would go rigid. And his limbs would twitch convulsively. So it kind of sounds like seizures.

He then falls into a coma and dies on January 25, 1952. So from December to about two months worth. So through December and post of January, he's finally ill and sick. So he's gone to the hospital.

All this stuff. He falls into a coma, dies. They say the cause of death is encephalitis, which is swelling on the brain. Fun fact, when I was getting diagnosed with Lyme, I had encephalitis.

I had swelling in the brain. It was from the cause of Lyme disease effects, like your meninges and stuff in your brain. So it can cause stuff that looks like meningitis. So they thought I had meningitis or viral meningitis and encephalitis, whatever.

Sit in the encephalitis. Yeah. So I still did have encephalitis, but it was caused by Lyme. That's scary.

Should have been the hospital. It just didn't go. Anyway. So now, and that is widowed.

And she has two children. And she is 26 years old. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

So what she doing with her life? She working? Well, she has no resources. She is relying on family charity pretty much.

So didn't she get anything from the military? Like, didn't she get any, like, retirement? See, I don't know because of the disability. Like how that worked.

That's true. Because I mean, she had a gotten something. I would imagine she got a little bit because here's what ends up happening. So she really liked working at Lyles at the restaurant.

She actually really enjoyed that work and became a bookkeeper at another restaurant during this time because she was like, I really. It's my jam. I liked this. I want to learn how to do this.

Yeah. And she wanted to figure out how the business ran. So she worked hard and saved money in April of 1955. So about three years later, she actually bought the old Lyles restaurant for $12,000.

Wow. And she reopens it as a net. I love it. Which is pretty cool.

Yeah. So she branded it with traditional southern food. She had a charming personality. And it really made the restaurant a institution in that town.

Like, people really went there. Airline employees frequented a net. And that was how she met Joni O'Buddy, Robert. He was a pilot and also military veteran.

Nice. So she met him. So kind of a little bit of a scandal. A net flies to Texas to visit him.

So remember this is the 50s. So I guess it wasn't super proper for a lady to go visit her man, probably without an escort or a chaperone or anything like that. So she was kind of a little bit of a scandal that she just loaded up and decided she was going to go visit this man. She was under two.

Was it scandalous because people were like, oh, she just ditched her kid with a relative or friend and went to see her man. Like, was it kind of like that? I mean, I don't know if women flying on their own back in the 50s was like, I think the scandal is probably they all figured she was going to be like hook up with him. Obviously.

I mean, but it's not because of Georgia in the 50s. That's true. Like for us now, it's like, oh, all right. Yeah, transnational beauty call is not out of the question.

Actually, him being a little far away, I think adds to the romance. A lot longer since then. Yeah, so she flies out there. OK.

And on June, the night of June 24, 1955, they woke up a judge in New Mexico and got married. Yikes. So like just decided to get married, I guess. You know what?

And I love that the judge was like, sure. OK. All right, let's do this. Yeah.

So they go back to Macon and are ready to live this life. All of a sudden, Buddy's wrist starts hurting. And then he gets the severe rash on his face, chest, arms, legs, and they had all this swelling. So almost like an arthritis attack is kind of what it sounds like to me.

Maybe minus the rash. I don't know where the rash would come from. But apparently the pain was so intense that he was begging to die pretty much. Like he was in that much pain.

Wow. So his condition got worse. And a doctor actually said, I think this is arsenic poisoning. And Annette tells us there's some people that the doctor thinks that this is what's happened.

Somehow this happened and he's going to die. She's like, I just know he's going to die. I want to make sure he dies. I mean, I just know.

Yeah, so he spends several nights in the hospital, which let Annette go home and rest and take care of the children. Buddy rallies and gets better. And is like, she's like, damn. He gets better.

And he's released from the hospital and goes home. However, at home, his condition gets bad again. Better does. And he gets readmitted.

He couldn't eat any food, like couldn't stomach anything. He was vomiting up all of the liquids that they gave him. And he started growing increasingly equitirrational. So that delirium kind of setting in.

He gets transferred to a VA hospital in Dublin, the same one. Yes. And then his kidneys start to fail. And he dies December 2, 1955.

Oh. Yeah. So this is a second husband that's died. So a nurse asks Annette, like, hey, was he insured?

And she nods and says, yes, and his mother won't see a penny at it. I've seen to that. Ooh. So.

It's mighty. Yeah. It's like, ooh. I mean, I don't care how much you love your spouse or your husband.

I feel like your life insurance policy needs to go to somebody that you know won't kill you. I guess I just shouldn't have a life insurance policy. Because I don't know. I mean, the people in my life, you know.

Yeah. Don't give it to me. I would look first at Haley. Yeah.

So for the life insurance, I think my mom is the beneficiary of mine right now. Good thing. I think your mom would be a fair choice. Yeah.

I don't think she'd kill me. No. Oh. So you'd have to kill both of us.

I mean, which I don't think you'd do. I don't know. I don't know. You know, people say that all the time.

Oh, no. No one would ever do that. That's the stuff you hear on TV. Right.

Uh, until you become that. Until you become the TV. Until you become the TV. You're right.

So does she remarry? OK. No, she doesn't. OK.

So she, the doctors say, hey, we want to do an autopsy. Because this was weird. She's like, no. She's going to cremate him.

She says, listen, I promised him that I'd never let anybody cut him up. But I don't know why that's a conversation you're having. I felt like a great dinner conversation. But the doctors didn't need her approval, though.

And they proceeded. I do. I do the autopsy. However, they didn't find anything unusual.

Just saying, which is weird. So apparently a net doesn't really like grieve buddy. She starts telling people that he was mean to her and wondered why she married him. She was soon dating another man.

Of course. And named Bob Franks, this was her husband's former boss. Sure. So she's dating this guy.

She purchases a Cadillac with buddy's insurance and then bought a house in the suburbs. And that's original mother-in-law Julia Lyle. So two husbands ago, she moves in. OK.

Because they're still close. Right. And that's new, though, that Julia had nearly $100,000 of savings. Oh, no.

And pressure them on. To make a will. So she's like, hey, you need to make this will. Because you got all this money.

And make me the beneficiary. Right. But the older lady, she refused. She's like, no, I don't need to.

I don't need to do that. In August of 1957, Julia, sir. It's feeling bad. Betcha da.

She does. She's listless. She's pale. She's pale.

She's got a fever. She starts vomiting blood. She turns purple. Oh.

Her legs begin to swell. And she goes to the hospital. Yeah. It's not great.

No. So Annette says to folks, she's like, I'm just afraid. She's not going to make it. She's really worried about this.

A week's later, Annette says it doesn't look like she's going to live. She's still saying this to people. And she showed a note that Julia signed telling Annette to go ahead and make funeral arrangements for her. And Julia dies on September 29th show.

A week later, randomly, Annette shows up with Julia's will. Why? How convenient. Yeah.

Say, and listen, I finally talked her into it. So one third of the estate was left to Julia's son, Joseph. Another third was left to Annette. And the final portion to Marsha and Carla, who were Annette's children.

So Annette was both executor of the will and trustee for both of her girls. So really, she ends up with two thirds of her estate. Yes, of $100,000. Yeah.

Yeah. So at some point in her life, just to throw in some more fun things, Annette decided that she wanted to practice voodoo. When I think of extracurriculars, or like, well, I think maybe I'd pick up knitting, or maybe art. I don't tend to think voodoo.

But then again, it is art related. I mean, I've got to make the doll. And cooking, put them in the oven, really. So I was in New Orleans.

I learned a lot about voodoo. Big fan, really cool religion. I, big fan, I feel like that's, you're wording. That's definitely not mine.

I don't, I wouldn't say I'm a big fan. I think that to each their own, that's not my jam. But you know? Big fan, I love it.

I'm, I have noted that, Hayley. And I'm just going to step away. The more I learned about it, it was really cool. If I start feeling like, oh, my leg, I'm like, oh, Hayley.

So one of the things that's interesting I learned about voodoo is apparently if you are trying to cause harm to someone else in that practice, you have to be willing to accept it two fold, to yourself. Oh. So that's like part of it. Okay.

So like if I wanted to cause harm to you, I would have to be willing to accept that two fold into my life. Interesting. So, so you know, I feel stabbing leg pain suddenly you do as well. Suddenly I lost a leg.

Actually that, okay. Because it's all about, like, voodoo is all about balance. Okay. And the balance between like, good and evil, but also between like, the different elements and all of the voodoo priest and priestesses are based on Catholic figures.

Interesting. Which is really cool. If you've not done a lot of research in voodoo, I highly recommend it because it's actually really, really cool. Anyway, so she decides she wants to get into voodoo.

So I think she's getting into more of the like, more, not real voodoo, but more like the movie version, the evil that people sometimes think about voodoo. She's at her dolls wedding. Yeah. Okay.

So she decides, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do this. So she's starting to believe in magic. She's burning candles. She desired some kind of results.

She would write it on a note and place it under the candle and then starts just like chanting things. It was really weird. So in March of 1958, Marsha, no, starts to feel listless and develops a bad cough. Her temperature gets so high, 106 degrees.

Her brain is like fried. It's like melting. I had 140 fever when I had my first diagnosis of Lyme and I was hallucinating. At that point, like my son had 105 at one point.

Yeah, I was terrifying. Like I'm hallucinating. I didn't know where I was like that at that point. You're so sick that you're literally, my brain is melting.

So it's that high and the doctor sends her straight to the hospital. Absolutely. I go to the ER. Yeah.

And Annette starts saying, you know, I'm sure she's gonna die. No, no kidding. Right. So in Cochrane, which I think is also Georgia, Julia's sister, Nora Bagley gets this note and it says, please come at once.

She's getting the same dose as the others. Please come at once. A similar note follows. So she gets two of these weird notes.

Marsha's health starts to really deteriorate. She becomes delirious. She starts believing that there's bugs crawling on her skin. So she's like digging, like all this stuff.

So she says, Annette says she'll soon be going home to Little Bin, which was Marsha's father. Right. And her grandmother. And her stepdad.

Right. So she dies April 4th, 1958. Lester Chapman, who was a bit counting coroner, which is where Macon is, he was alarmed by this note. He's like, somehow they found the note.

I don't know how the note got to him. But he sees the note from the sister and is really weirded out by Marsha's death too. He's like, this is all really weird. So he actually takes tissue samples from the body.

Annette placed a Bible and a bride doll with Marsha and buried her beside family members at the Coleman Chapel near Waidley in Eastern Georgia. Annette re-entered Ben to be beside her and said, quote, she, Carla, says she wants to go to Heaven to be with Marsha. No. So that's the other daughter, Carla, she wants to go.

Okay. So all of that has gone on. And the coroner's weirded out. He starts getting sheriff involved and he's like, something is funky here.

Yeah. Like something weird is happening. So they end up, you know, charging her and like taking, really kind of taking her to trial to be like, let's just figure this out. Yes.

Yeah. So they go to, they go to trial. I mean, really they don't have any evidence. They don't.

So, I mean, they found a few things. Oh, okay. So we'll kind of talk about that as we're talking about the trial. So Annette says that Marsha and Carla had been seeing a playing with Aunt Poison.

And she doesn't, as a parent step in and say, oh my God, give me that. Right. Let me lock that away. No, no, no, no.

She's like, I'm just going to let them play. Looks like they were eating that. So I just got going up. That's a quality mom.

Yeah. So after she is told like, hey, you might be indicted for murder based on your daughter's death. Like this is bad. She produces a note signed by Julia, which is the mother-in-law that also died and said, I am the cause of my son's death and my own.

So, you know, after death confession there. So the coroner who was, you know, weirded out by the death of Marsha and took the tissue finds arsenic and marshes tissues. So the bodies have been in Julia Liles and buddy. Exhumed.

They're all exhumed and have samples taken of their tissue. All of them contained arsenic. Yep. So the first place that was in the case of a sex, a net was arraigned for the murders of Ben, Julia, Marsha and buddy.

They searched her house and get all the voodoo stuff. Don't worry. So they announced that aunt poison had also been found in the house and apparently a net had benefited financially from the deaths by about $50,000. That's actually less than I thought.

Right. Same. Yeah. So they take us to the grand jury, which is, you know, if you know anything about grand juries, that's not the time where you get a defense.

Right. That's just the prosecutor making the case. You even have a case here. So they go to the grand jury.

A long time employee testified to watching a net place something in a glass of buttermilk that she took to Julia in the hospital. She also witnessed that same procedure with lemonade, destined for marshes. So she's adding the poison pretty much. She said that she had found a bottle of aunt poison in a net's pocketbook.

Another woman had discovered two bottles of aunt poison in a net's dresser. So a net was then indicted for marshes murder. When a jail trustee was found with money, he admitted that a net had provided it to purchase aunt poison for her use. As a result, a net was isolated in the top floor of the county core house.

So I think, yes, kind of like suicide watch. Yeah. They put her away. And I wonder if she had made any kind of comments about that.

Right. Like, I can't just wait to go to buddy and grandma and my daughter, the ex. Yeah. So a jury of 12 men.

Oh, of course. Right. So media from across American Europe were involved. This was a really well-published case.

Yeah. When the trial started, it was followed around the world. So as they're going through all of this, apparently while buddy was dying, according to witness, she said quote, she and that seemed disinterested most of the time. A nurse said that a net would ask how much longer if you before the patient died.

Oh my gosh. And expressed grief only in the presence of visitors. Wow. Yeah.

A salesman testified that while negotiating the purchase of a car and that said she could pay cash in a month or so, she mentioned that Mrs. Ben Lyle, Sr. said Julia was in the hospital. She said, and I remarked about how I hoped it wasn't anything serious.

And she said yes. She thought it was serious and she didn't think Mrs. Lyle's was going to pull through. Yeah.

And so once she kicks the bucket, don't worry. I'll come and pay cash for this here. Yeah. So the Sheriff's Lyle produces a piece of paper taken from in its house with the name of Julia Lyle's written over and over and over.

The handwriting analyst pronounced Julia's signature on the funeral note was forged, as well as a will. So both of her signatures were forged. A number of witnesses testified that Julia's hands were useless during her final illness because of all that swelling. Restaurant workers stated that Annette has said of Julia, quote, the old devil.

I hate her. I wish she was dead. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

And employee of Annette's also said that Annette had said about her daughter, I'm going to kill the little Lyle's looking son of a bitch, if it is the last thing I ever do. Oh my God. The husband of a waitress heard the same thing, plus Annette telling Marsha a quote that if she doesn't sit down and behave, she would kill her. So when a doctor told Annette that Marsha was improving, she responded, well, it can't last much longer.

She's going to get worse. Yeah. Yeah. So Marsha was having all these really bad hallucinations from the fever and everything else.

And apparently Annette acted like it was funny and she laughed about it. There were other people that confirmed this case and apparently she also had ordered a casket at that time, like before she died, like two weeks before her death. Oh witnesses saw Annette's doctor drinks for Julia and Marsha while they were hospitalized. At the end Annette actually takes a stand for an unsworn statement, which meant that she could not be cross-examined about the prosecution.

She says, gentlemen of the jury, I have not killed anyone. And then she attempted to like obviously refute all of the testimony. She said, you know, based on like her laughing at Marsha, she said, when I get upset, I laugh. I can't help it.

I've done it all my life. Instead of crying, I laugh. Which like, I mean, you never know before going to react. Right.

But this is your daughter. This is your own flesh and blood. Yeah. It's not great.

That's not great. Yeah. So the trial lasts a week. So there's still, this is after the grand jury.

So they go to the actual trial. Which this could go two ways because in the 1950s, you either have the men who were like, oh, this little woman couldn't do it. And there's that sympathy of like women are frail and fragile. They can't take down a man and a lot of other people.

Or it goes the, you know, she's an evil witch. Hang her high. So depends on how they roll. Yeah.

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