EPISODE · Nov 10, 2025 · 52 MIN
Another Sort of Mathematics with Jake Tawney
from The University of Dallas Classical Education Podcast
SummaryIn this episode, Shannon Valenzuela and Jake Tawney explore the significance of the quadrivium in education, particularly focusing on mathematics as a bridge between the material and the divine and the ability of mathematics to help students access truth. They discuss the eternal nature of language and mathematics, explore music as number in ratio to itself, and consider the importance of proofs in mathematics. The conversation emphasizes the need for pedagogical approaches that prioritize understanding and wonder over mere proficiency, ultimately arguing that the study of mathematics reveals deeper truths about the universe and God.Topics Covered:A different way of understanding the four arts of the quadriviumMathematics as a bridge between the material world and the eternalThe arts of language and mathematics as foundational to educationMusic and mathematicsProofs in mathematics as a form of rhetoric The power of lessons that present engaging problems that motivate inquiryThe study of mathematics and a unique longing in the human soulSuccess measured as love, not just skill proficiencyToday's Guests:J. Jacob (Jake) Tawney has been enamored by mathematics for as long as he can remember, from kindergarten to calculus. But he truly fell in love with it during his sophomore year at Denison University during a course on mathematical proofs. After completing an undergraduate degree in mathematics and computer science from Denison, he continued his studies at The Ohio State University. There he earned a master’s degree in mathematics, submitting a thesis on the mathematics of juggling. During his time in Ohio, Tawney taught at Upper Arlington High School and the Pontifical College Josephinum, including courses in Euclid and the philosophy of mathematics. In 2014 he relocated his family to Phoenix, Arizona, to join Great Hearts Academies, where he currently serves as the chief academic officer. Jake is the proud husband of Christina and the proud father of eight children, all of whom have something unique in their souls that can only be satisfied by wondering about mathematics.Timestamps:00:00 Introduction03:50 The Eternal and the Earthly: Understanding the Significance of Three and Four10:34 Music and Mathematics: The Relationship of Ratios and Intervals14:54 Math's Unique Contribution: Bridging Heaven and Earth24:48 The Importance of Proof: Rhetoric in Mathematics33:09 Bridging Theory and Practice in Mathematics Education39:00 Wonder and Conversation in the Math Classroom45:14 A Different Way to Measure SuccessResources Mentioned in Today's Episode:Another Sort of Mathematics by J. Jacob Tawney at Encounter Books and on AmazonMore on the Quadrivium Retrieval: https://quadriviumretrieval.org/University of Dallas Links:Classical Education Master’s Program at the University of Dallas: udallas.edu/classical-edSt. Ambrose Center Professional Development for Teachers and Administrators: https://k12classical.udallas.edu/Support the showSupport the showIf you enjoyed the show, please leave a rating and review — it helps others find us!
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Summary In this episode, Shannon Valenzuela and Jake Tawney explore the significance of the quadrivium in education, particularly focusing on mathematics as a bridge between the material and the divine and the ability of mathematics to help students access truth. They discuss the eternal nature of language and mathematics, explore music as number in ratio to itself, and consider the importance of proofs in mathematics. The conversation emphasizes the need for pedagogical approaches that prior...
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