Blackjack was Griffin and David Blackjack was Griffin and David John O'Won's a single two aspect All you did to know is that the name of the show was Blackjack So there I was, minding my own business This crazy old codger with a cane shows up says he might distant relative I don't see any resemblance So he says how he liked to be rich So I said sure So he lays this podcast on me He says this podcast will tell me the outcome of every sporting event till the end of the century All I have to do is bet on the winner and I'll never lose So I say what's the catch? He says no catch Just keep it a secret After that he disappeared I never saw him again Oh And he told me one more thing He said someday Some crazy wild-eyed kid And a six-foot-one man who grew up in England Like show up asking about that podcast And if that ever happens Funny I never thought he'd be like Jack Griffin, I am 6'3 I just want to say Goddamn it I just want to make that clear Wait, he said 6'2? He said I was 6'1 Which is fine I'm not worried about my height I didn't end care so much about the inches in a height Yes, I don't care Look, there's no situation there and I appreciate I understand where you're but I'm not insinuating anything I truly don't understand Why men are like No, I'm not double living I'm 6'6'3 I don't get it Here's the other thing I like I think I'm 6'3 When's the last time I got measured by like height Like probably when I was like 16 years old Like I don't know how tall I am anymore You don't have physicals every year? I do not I mean I guess I like go to the doctor I just feel like they never measure my They measure you Alright, well maybe they do And I'm still sick for you No they do they measure you He's too tall the doctor can't reach the top of his head He's too tall they just rub him give up Also with my future stuff You're 6'3 I said 6'1 I'm 6'3 What did you do?
We've been talking about it for 2 minutes Do you have like a measuring tape? Yeah I mean I do somewhere Do you know if it's easily accessible? Tape yourself, tape yourself quickly Because we can end this right here right now We can settle this Nicole, I'm so happy we're doing this What were you about to tell me about your future stuff? I told you I had to listen Oh it's so readily available If my future is right around the corner If my future stuff told me I had to listen to a podcast to get rich I wouldn't do it I don't listen to podcasts Really?
I find them mind-numbing Because it's a conversation that like I'm not part of You just want to be a guest on it Yeah because I love talking Very approximate solo measure puts me at 6'2 So I don't know where that works Probably 6'1 Oh interesting I'm also actually probably 6'1 Maybe I had it right there But here's the thing as well I'm probably like 5'11 Because I slouch so much And the doctor is the one to like you know Making you stand up straight against the wall I'm not 6'3 I don't present to 6'3 No, see David now I'm worried that you're 6'3 Slouching and the next time you go the doctor you're going to stand up straight and turn up to be 6'8 All I know is they made me play basketball when I was a little kid because I was so tall And I was so bad at it Like you know my parents don't know Jim teachers They were always like well you're so tall you'll be good at this I can't I don't have any high-hand eye coordination And much like Michael J Fox will look like a tiny boy for the entirety of my life That's good You look great I mean I think it's good because you're also aging well so you don't look like an old baby You just look like a spright young man Nicole I feel like I'm heading towards old baby I do I look in the mirror and I get worried about being a wrinkle Benjamin Button baby in 5 years Not yet I think you'll have to actually you might not ever have to worry about it Like look at Leslie Jordan He just looks like a cute little old man not an old baby and he's very tiny I mean that's a dream That's I hope I am not like that's a Jordan that's best case Leslie Jordan's just going to cast those cute old man checks for another what 30 years Oh cute I love him so much He's very adorable I'm realizing what I now want to see is like a variety special hosted by Leslie Jordan baby Oh like I want to see a baby Yoda Leslie Jordan double act doing like skits and songs and dances Right there I can kind of get into it But like I don't know how I feel about baby Yoda in a variety special Also I have very little interaction with baby Yoda That haven't been said The last time we were on a podcast together we talked to baby Yoda Yes I have not watched anymore We talked very far right but yeah you could get sort of David Pumps You've only seen those first right you're right you tapped out of three Yeah, but I have a counterpoint Nicole your favorite Star Wars movie is the Star Wars holiday Oh my god. It's so good. I love it. I've seen it twice now right So that's what I'm pitching.
I'm pitching like a Leslie Jordan baby I'm picturing that okay, you know, I'm on board now I wasn't on board, but now I am and they're like they're like pen and teller like baby Yoda still remains a silent act You know we're not gonna have him speaking yapping about Leslie George's doing all the talking and baby Yoda is just there giving you giving you energy picking up objects drinking tea but I worry because Casey must graves or must groves or must something. She's a country singer. She had a Christmas special. Mm-hmm.
It was not okay It was not okay. It was like bad. I don't want to say it's bad because like several people were involved Maybe hundreds. I don't know a lot of people tried really hard to make it good, but like I watched it I was like, I don't know if anyone tried hard enough It was just like weird and strange and the line reads are insane the director must have been napping the whole time I don't it was just so you have to watch it I don't want to be rude, but it was not for me I'm seeing that James Corden swung by and I'm like this was here Tanner was there.
Yeah, Lana del Rey. Wow. Yeah But then it wasn't very cohesive some of this. That's what really cute.
Oh, no, I just think it was a real miss I sound like a bitch what I have two questions. Hell yeah, dude question number one is I wonder if these things just need to be on Network television right like if it to some degree a holiday special needs to have cochia network Yeah, maybe you know maybe two Did they get the lance in the writers? The whole problem right there that that he's involved with it. He's not involved that he's not involved if you make a Christmas Especially I don't think he was involved.
I don't think he was now I don't know what the lances do in these days. They're from you introduce our show. Yes get him in a room with baby Oh, that's the Jordan thus concludes our section do a Christmas special Leslie Jordan baby. Oh, hello everybody and welcome to blank check With Griffin and David I'm Griffin and David and this is the podcast old bit warned you about it's a podcast about The moggress directors of massive success early on in their career are given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion Products they want and sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce baby And this is a mini series on the films of Robert some ecus It's called podcast away and today we are talking about back to the future to which is one of his first big check cashing sure one could say Right, I mean Roger Rabbit is doing the like right but he was like that's that's a blank check where he did something so wild and ambitious But there was a big chance that he could have failed and really embarrass himself in the process This movie is him playing with house money like going back and saying I'm gonna do back to the future to he could do whatever The fuck you wanted Nicole Specifically pick this movie right when we were asking you to come on Yeah, this is your back to the future movie.
This is yours amekus Well back to the future one is my zemeckus movie well But I enjoy back to the future to okay, and I don't love back to the future three, but if it's on TV I will not turn it off. Okay, so all three really check the box Yeah, the first one though really I truly love I've seen it hundreds of times agree well our guest today is Nicole buyer Recents any not winner. Hell yeah, I didn't realize this You hosted all four nights of creative arts Emmys sure did which was my first indication that I was not gonna win the Emmy Oh, you think they're like well, they know like okay. Well, there's not gonna be an awkward moment where the host wins Yes, absolutely absolutely.
I was like all right. I'll take your money as opposed to a statue I was like pestering you all of last week to try to get a record time down because of our stupid podcast having this very set schedule The order we need to do episodes in and then I realized only after the fact Oh, I was pestering you while you were hosting four successive nights of an award show It's okay. I apologize. I apologize for that Nicole.
It's okay Honestly, I shot it all in one night But then like a lot of productions have started up at the same time so people want table reads and recording It's been really wild. Well, then are you still like how are you yes? Thank you for doing this? Oh?
How are you navigating like stuff at home versus stuff that you have to show up and go someplace to do? What is your attitude on that because I know a couple weeks ago I was talking with you about that and you were like I'm afraid of outdoors and other people I was afraid about doors and people but now you better let me do a voice over at a studio I don't want you dropping off shit at my house and I have to set up and then shut back in a suitcase I don't know how to do that and then the Wi-Fi connection is not great and then the zoom clunks out No, send me to a studio where there's nobody else there or maybe like one other person Where everything's wiped down I bring my little hand sanny I like that when there's like a lot of people that gets scary like I've been doing a lot of COVID tests at the lot and That's a little frightening because there's a ton of people there, but like everyone's scared of each other Sure. So it's kind of insane. I mean like eyes get wide when you get too close.
You're like we're not in the same production It's a it's a wild time to be alive The voice over stuff I love because you're in like a plexiglass handable lecture cake You'll feel even safer in some ways than you do at home But the second I'm in a room with another person I start to freak out. Yeah. Yeah, don't fair So back to the future a big franchise for you. It's one of my ultimate franchises in call David was saying we recorded our back to the future Episode and I was very much on one talking about how perfect that movie is that like he likes back to the future But it's not one of his big franchises I do love it.
I just feel like I've seen it whatever four or five times versus It was never in my constant rotation. That's so crazy to me. I think it's a perfect movie deeply flawed But a perfect movie. That's the weird magic of it.
You're like this movies this movie's weird and yeah Yeah, everything makes sense and works and feels very satisfying Lorraine has said exact real storyline except She's going to dodge sexual assault the whole movie. There's four attempts to assault her in a two-hour movie Thirsty for her son thirsty for her son on yes, and she's thirsty first. Yeah, it's it's a wild movie But like I wouldn't change a thing No, there was that thing going around Twitter however long ago of like name four perfect movies and back to the future is such a good example Of a movie you can say is perfect, but also can criticize deeply But it's just like fundamentally in conversation with itself. It works so perfectly Yeah, it really does because you can explain away a lot of it like the sexual assaults sure it was the fifties people were poorly behaved Right, that's right.
How the fuck is she supposed to know that this little cutie who came to town is her son and he's cute Not her fault. He's a little cutie and you can make a walk charisma. Yeah, and he's got he's got 80s energy He's got a salt But then he plans to assault her, you know, it's a fun movie, but then her future husband actually saves it from us all yes Mm-hmm. It is funny at the end of the movie when she's like help Help and that redhead is like dragging her away and you're like man.
She's overreacting as a kid That's my thought as an adult. I was like no this is the fourth attempt She's just like no not again. She said a horrible week. Yeah now David David has like Griffin on record said trying to turn me into the Okay, go ahead go ahead No that like you were never very hot on back to the future to that it was really just the first one for you And I feel like you do Nicole where I'm like the first one is perfect But this like to was kind of my movie in terms of my fun hitting it is a wild It's so fun and wild and creative and such a bug nuts approach to making a sequel And I just think as a kid I get so excited watching it because I'm like I can't believe they're doing this You have no one is better the ambition to do it was very ambitious also as a kid I was like I can't wait for 2015 and then 2015 came we have fucking get flying cars No, there was no hoverboard no man over the time.
I fucking shoelaces Mad about it Yeah, it's also one of those things where like everyone had the checklist I feel like of like run run 2015 against back to the future 2015 What don't we have what's failed to come true this sucks the future is awful and now I'm like all I want is to go back to 2015 2015 sounds fucking rad we had it was a nice it was a nice year or last year of Obama before we got our Own Biff Tanner or Tannen as a president right America had a properly set up pandemic task response team Yeah, you know, it's bad, but you know what I think things are gonna pick up in October Please don't ask me why October because my theory doesn't really make sense when I say it out loud Wait you think Right like it's just gonna start turning around It's gonna be great. I think back into this year for everybody's gonna be real nice I love that theory. I'm actually kind of all in that area. What else am I gonna do think it's gonna be worse?
Like what's that for me start thinking good for October and it's gonna happen. We have to have magical thinking right? I think that's a book I ran Didian Yes back to the future Go ahead, I mean I know I want to hear because I don't want to make you into too much of a heel I don't want to present you too much as the Biff I want to hear your because I like this movie I remember when I was watching I again have not seen it that many times I still see a few times I remember once being at a sleepover where we watched it twice Oh, I think that's a nice leap over I know I think we watch it twice because like it was kind of fun the second time We must have been 10 or 11 years old like to puzzle it out better You know what I mean like the first time it's sort of overwhelming the second time you can better see how it all fits together I remember that I remember being very upset that Biff just I was very upset by Biff They've really like disturbed me when I was a kid. Yeah, he's bad.
He is bad. Okay. Um and he yeah sure He disturbs me now, but now I kind of appreciate that like I love that performance I think Thomas Wilson's really funny in this movie like he's kind of the he's kind of MVP of this one for me Is that a wild opinion? That's not a wild opinion, right?
I think he is yeah, I don't like a wild opinion You think that's a lot that fully wild opinion cuz I like it's not okay. Okay, okay Because what he's doing with Griff is is weird like you know everyone else is kind of doing like very Griff is Griff is a whole new take on I guess he's still aggro He's still aggro, but he's like weird aggro and I appreciate it. I appreciate that performance more than Michael J Fox's performance as his son It's not too dopey. I was like what is wrong with you really though.
Really though. Really though. I got how dopey he was Yeah, and he's like oh dad Yeah, but I do love I love back to the future so much and it does have I like that it has that weird kind of heart to it And I like that it has that whole take that you're talking about Nicole where which I went on about in our last episode that like the 50s were far cedar and nastier than you know, you might remember right like a lot of what that movie's about this movie I think is all you know it's bananas It's a rubric machine where all this crazy stuff is lining up in all this one way But I don't know what I'm rooting for in this movie except for them to just unfuck all the mistakes they made right Like what's this movie like you know, who am I who am I sort of who do I love in this movie? Well, they're great That's who you're rooting for you're rooting from Marty from 1985 and doc from 1985 They're they're great people.
I think they're super cool But basically they like make a crazy mistake they have to fix it and they fix it and it's great. It's fun Well, Marty just makes the mistake To the future to be like your dopey ass son gets in trouble Let's try to like not get this idiot in trouble So they do that and then the almond act like that's Marty being a little selfish and showing that he's a I would have that fantasy to if I was Marty I sympathize with that I would I would I would I would go on and on and on about you can't know too much about your future and you know, it's not for personal gain It's purely just to be like oh boy. We're on safari Right, that's right. That's what it comes down to I do like to gamble.
I do like to gamble But you know, it's lots I don't love slots and more of like a like like poker and craps and Table I like the social like weirdness of like casino gambling whereas I'm a video slots guy You are last time I was in Vegas. I was blacked out sitting at a slot machine Just like hit in the button and I looked at my friend and I was like that's how they get you to just keep playing You just keep playing you can't hit the button and then a man walk by and went you're putting money in It was on like never left harder. It was just like the example mode where like it just kind of goes There's only two ways that's actually the best way to gamble right Either gonna end with you not having put money in or you winning a million dollars No, I can't win anything if you didn't put nothing in that's true Wanky's quick question and be honest. When was the last time you actually thought about how much fiber you were eating?
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It's so much about that like trying to outrun the legacy of your ancestors But also like define a future for yourself and I feel like this movie digs into all of that You're asking David what it's about other than like just it's fun sort of riffs and puzzle construction But it is so much about as Nicole said like Marty keeps on making these decisions that actively make things worse Like he comes into this movie cocky because he nailed the first back to you Such a great job and he's so that shows back to the person everything's great right everything's perfect right his parents are happy his siblings Yeah, and I take a key detail that the movie kind of glosses over is that Duck has been gone for who knows how long like he flies off and then he shows up in Marty's parking You know his garage with the the future time machine, but we don't know in Doc Brown's life how long he's been traveling around to different times He has that suitcase with all the different denominations He knows all about future technology and he seems have a much stronger sense of the rules of time traveling paradox and cause and effect All this sort of stuff his car takes garbage. Yeah, right friendly We still don't have that but he just he knows everything He's able to explain everything going on around so you know my arc in this movie Doc Yeah, I guess that doesn't really have an arc in this movie. Three is his movie. Yes, three is his movie, but I Didn't I didn't even sit in the wild wild west.
I just you're just out on that you don't want to Yeah, I didn't want a Western but then like laughing said I will watch it if it's on TV My favorite part about Doc returning is so Jennifer comes Marty's looking at this car that he like fucking loves and his parents Like looking at him lovingly in the house and then they turn around and leave and then old man comes in a crazy car And they fly away with it, but their son. That's like so funny to pretend it and they're just in the house It's when they know they notice that Marty's gone, but they see the flying car like what what only biffsy What's happening with Chris Ben Glover and a home girl? What's her name? Leah Thompson Yeah, absolutely best biggest crush for me when I was a kid biggest movie crush possibly of all time Biggest thing to define early while talking about this movie is the Chris Ben Glover of it all which has had like so many different Stories in terms of what happens, but he is not in this movie Gail and like Zemeckis have always claimed that he asked for too much money Mmm, and so they balked and were like well We'll offer him the same amount we're offering Leah Thompson and Tom Wilson rather than the amount we're offering Michael J Fox and Christopher Lloyd Which is what he asked for and he'll like break in a couple weeks I'll come back to the negotiating table and do it for the smaller amount and then ever happened Chris Ben Glover's always Contended that that wasn't what happened that it was more of like a philosophical thing and he had disagreements with him creatively Right he says he doesn't like the ending of back to the future because he doesn't like that them being happy is just them being rich I get that this yuppy fantasy.
It's the car. It's the book deal. It's the nicer house. It's all material But also he probably did ask for more it's probably some combo like he probably was just off about it But they paid him enough he would have done it because that's that's that's like I would right like but I believe him that he was like This is corny that I all that I get is to be rich at the end of the movie It's also like he's a weird guy talk about how hard it was to work with him on the first movie because he just sort of is on Different wavelength.
I think after the first movie he has the letterman appearance where he starts kicking shit Wait, what? He felt a reputation he went on Letterman started high kicking what that's wild then he did that movie with a rat Willard I've never seen it. Yes. Is anyone still it?
I have seen it. Willard talk good It's about a man who loves a rat. We love the rat. It's about a man.
It sounds so many Yes, oh, it's okay. Do you know the Michael Jackson song Ben Nicole Ben Michael Jackson's first solo song I think it's like a battle. Oh, yeah, do you know it? Sing it your friend Ben Ben the two of us No, no, it's something like that.
Okay, well fine when we are looking back like it's like that singing. I know it That song is the ballad from a 70s movie called Ben Which is a sequel to the original Willard that the Crispin Glover Willard is a remake about about a lonely guy Who's only friends or rats who he uses to attack people who are mean to him? That's wild and it's got this song that gets repurposed all the time because Michael Jackson was such a famous artist and people view it as Like this big like love ballad and it's a song being sung from a grown man to a rat Lover remake sort of folds in the two original movies So it has a cover of Ben in it that I want to say maybe Crispin Glover sings himself But the movie is also about Ben the rat leading a revolution against Willard because he thinks they're not treating the rats with Enough respect so that the rats end of attacking Willard in the last third of the movie it rules that honestly sounds truly wild and Real treat and I might watch it absolutely if or I just read about I forgot so I just watched him kick Letterman He doesn't kick him in the face, but he's inches away He basically looks really close to kick baby letterman in the head stands up and is like I'm strong I can kick and does like a high kick and Letterman is just like alright and gets off gets up and walks off and Then they cut to commercial so clearly Letterman's like not into it And then they cut back to Letterman and Crispin Glover is gone and Crispin Glover has never explained this basically right like he's never really Wow Right right wonder those people who's just like I like to push boundaries people can't handle what I'm doing What is Crispin Glover's net worth? I can goo also is Crispin his government name I all but certain his father was also a weirdo actor who played like a James Bond henchman Was that right and then became an acting teacher?
I'm pretty sure his Crispin is his legal birth name because his father was not only is it his legal His middle name is hellian which is crazy. What's Crispin? Hellian? Crispin hellian Glover.
That's right wild man. Is he married? It's a great question. He is Never been married.
I feel like he's dated a lot of like burlesque models. Yeah, he dated some like penthouse pets of the month He lives in the Czech Republic in like a castle Honestly, the more learning about this man is very funny He's a real dream. What a wild man his net worth if you google it is put at three and a half million dollars Which is plenty of money, but you know, yeah, I figured he would he would have a little bit more but also who knows absolutely Absolutely. This is the other wrinkle to that Nicole.
He's certainly made a lot of money in his career He openly says that when he takes big jobs things like the Charlie's Angels movies It is solely to then finance his own films. He is directed to movies that have a cast almost entirely made up of Mentally handicapped. Oh, okay, that are like very subversive and transgressive and he like builds his own sets and self-finances the movies entirely and it goes around and screens them like with one Print reading poetry before and after the screens. I've seen honestly.
I'm here for it. I really like it. Yeah Yeah, you're right. He's like absolutely a guy who spends millions of dollars making his own movies.
He has dated some stunning women I'm looking at his his 17 bedroom Czech estate right now. How wild it's pretty nice looking I mean for a 17, you know, you hear 17 bedroom Czech estate. This is what you'd imagine. We've got some fresco's I'm gonna press go, you know where they just painted a painting right onto the wall like no frame like it's just like Which is probably a pain in the ass Full of fresco I don't think I've had a fresco.
Oh you love one that's not fizzy, right? It is fizzy and people on planes ask for it a lot Can I have a fresco or a coke zero fresco fresco's like sprite if it tasted more like actual It's a little more natural tasting the thing I want to say though is Zemeckis goes off very quickly starts working on who framed Roger Rabbit, which is like a year's long project with all the technology They need to develop but universal wants back to the future to like immediately Mm-hmm They go if Fox and Lloyd are on board We're down to do it and Fox and Lloyd go sure and they go great start green starting back to the future to so from what I gather Bob Gail writes a full draft of back to the future to buy himself without Zemeckis first Yeah, I was a meckis on Roger Rabbit. He's like you try something come back to me. Show me what it is Mm-hmm the screenplay is only credited to Bob Gail.
Oh fascinating Okay, it's a makas only as a story credit But the big key is they knew they had to do the future at the beginning because of the end of the first movie But originally the premise was not going back into the second film The premise was Marty goes back to the 60s because there's another disruption to him and his siblings being born in that It's Lorraine and George in college and Lorraine is like a hippie radical who goes to jail And I think George is like maybe pro military and he has Conceive that sounds like that would be original script was yeah, I try to get his parents to fuck Oh And also that kind of sounds that sounds like what he ends up doing with Forrest Gump like that like that's kind of what Forrest Gump is About right like it's about the six and hippies and the war right is one of the wildest movies that we never get made today If you made it today, you would go to jail You go to jail That being said he plays Forrest Gump on loop during Christmas and I will watch Forrest Gump four times in the road like four times in a row No problem Wow Wow Yeah, I mean we're about to rewatch it. I have not seen it since I was eight really very curious to see how it plays I truly had maybe a hundred times I love Forrest Gump last time I got very drunk on a play and I was watching Forrest Gump and I was like three inches from the monitor And I was just like oh for us. You just silly Yeah, I love him. He's silly.
He's very so that's that's that's the script that Gail writes by himself And then they realize a we're not gonna have Chris Bing lover So they go back to the drawing board in terms of rethinking we have to make it back to the future too that doesn't really revolve around George So they make the lead to it should be about the absence of George like that defines the story And then Zemeckis is the one who has the idea and says to gale like we're in a position that no one has ever been in before Which is we can make a sequel where we go back into the first movie? That was a mecca's is big like clever idea and so I want you to write to that which I think is the other main thing this movie is about David it's about sort of like as you said Nicole trying to keep your family together You know these series of decisions you make the ripples they have onto everyone around you trying to define your legacy You know live up to your ancestors or outpace them and find the future you want for yourself But the other thing it's about is the difficulty of making a sequel not to get met here I feel like this movie is explicitly about the audience expectations for a sequel to a film that everyone loves because it starts out Like cashing in the exact thing that was promised to the audience that everyone got excited by where we're going We don't need roads. Holy shit. What's this place gonna look like first 30 minutes?
Just fucking balls to the wall future every technology you ever want to see you repeat the classic bits from the first movie It's like the fucking second beat of a herald you do the diner again you do the skateboard chase again Like it's just perfect sequel like same thing but different shit So then you get to act two and act two is everything's bad Everything's bad. Everything's fucked everything up. They tried to give you the exact movie You thought you wanted to see and it ruined everything. It's in ruin the future.
It ruined the status quo the happy ending from last time This is a disaster. It's so bleak. It's so depressing So then act three of the movie is like fuck it. We just need to remake the first movie again Like we tried doing something different Audiences don't want different we have to go back and do the exact same thing all over again And the fact that it's literally Marty from like different angles of the same scenes trying to re orchestrate making things just 10% different While also making sure the scenes largely play out the same is I think explicitly Zemeckis who's a guy who like otherwise didn't do sequels Making a movie about the impossible position of like what do you do if everyone thinks they know what they want out of your movie?
If you are kind of handcuffed as a filmmaker into those expectations Yeah, I don't know that's a good take and so then the take on three is like and then three is Zemeck is being like it'd be nice They're like a Western That's like the opposite of the high-stakes stuff you're talking about where he's like What is that to make a sequel to this movie? Maybe with so much of a headache to do too that they were like let's let it breathe Let's put it so far away from the first two that like you can't even get back into the first two Right, right? I'm about to blow your minds This is what's so wild the only reason three exists is because Zemeckis loves the Wild West and he wanted to make a Western Right, they clearly just shoehorned the back to the future franchise into this genre that he likes so he could like play in that sandbox I also saw some behind the scenes interview from 1985 with Michael J Fox where they asked him like if you had a time machine for real Where would you go? He's like Wild West?
I love Cowboys So I think everyone involved just liked a Western movie. I thought it would be fun to do a Western movie I mean the wild West was originally Act 3 of Back to the Future 2 they were once great. There's 185 pages, right? Wait really?
Yeah, I mean, that's the one right I could see that was 2015 then then the alternate right 1985 hot No, they weren't gonna do the old movie. It was gonna be they have to go back to the Wild West I think in order to correct it. It was gonna be like a future hellscape alternate present Old West I'm really glad they didn't do that in the second movie that would just be too much because the second like back to be too It was almost too much. It is almost like oh boy.
Yeah, but it for me. It's like just enough Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean it would be it's like a maximalist movie, but it could not handle anymore Spielberg is the one who said this is too long You can't film this if you guys want to make a wild West movie just make it two films We can shoot them back to back It was sort of the first modern movie to do that right back to future one had been so big that they were like you can make Two the audiences there shoot them at the same time. We're all good But that's the other reason why three feels so light because three is essentially three is one third I'm fresh for an entire yeah, three has no stakes like zero stakes.
It's just a fun time three is just like doc Brown romance movie Yes, but I don't hate it. I like seeing doc happy Right gentlemen sex. You love these characters. You like to see them have fun three is a fun Lloyd showcase like that's And that's great to see but it also griff like what you're talking about makes sense But it's also the movie the first movie has such specific stakes and the car can't be used Except if you have lightning or nuclear right like you can barely use the car right and in the second one It's like okay now.
We got the car and we can do whatever we want So let's take it for a spin car does everything right and it can fly right it can catch you it can be part of every Sepis and it's kind of like exhausting intentionally like if you really had a frickin flying car that could go back and forth in time Forward in time like yeah, you would exhaust yourself. You probably mess everything up. It's too much power Right like that's kind of what's going on here. Yeah, I mean this is the only one of the three that's like really primarily a time travel Right like a movie that is about time travel The first one is a movie where he gets stuck in the past in order to tell the story They want to tell which is what if you were the same age as your parents Right the third movie is this love story in the old west in which they have to get back to the present at the very very end This one is like fucking we had a huge hit.
We're gonna have whatever budget we want He's like pioneered all these groundbreaking effects with Roger Abbott So he comes back to the table wanting to show off all these new tricks he's learned But it's very much the movie that's like let's just do everything you could do with a flying time traveling car Let's just do all the shit which I think is part of the joy is that it's like so fucking jam-packed So do you want to talk about some some specific stuff in the movie graph seen by scene? There's stuff you want to get into yeah right off the bat they lose the actress Claudia Wells who played Jennifer in the first movie Yeah, she just got sick and she just decided she didn't want to act she just quit acting she just quit acting she's like quit acting Okay now owns like an Armani store in Los Angeles and does a lot of conventions Okay, but she just went like completely off the grid and unlike George where they could write around him write him out reuse footage put someone else in makeup They were like well the end of the first movie is fucking Jennifer getting in the car with Doc Brown and Marty We have to do something I do feel like Elizabeth She was a good actress in general her performance in this is so broad But also the character is so thinkless in terms of all Jennifer doesn't this movie is faint the movies immediately like can we get rid of her? Like it's just like it's just not her own I Leave her in the garbage. They like throw her in the car They just keep putting her like put her in a closet put her on a street corner put him in a dumpster She just keeps fainting and they keep leaving her incapacitated in different places which it's not that's their fault for making that series of decisions It's kind of a glorping on a major scale where it's just like how do we not deal with this character?
But there's also the problem of like when you recast it and you have a new actress who looks entirely different has a different Doesn't think exactly the same they never I didn't clock it when I was a kid definitely did not realize I didn't know it was a different girl until today with my roommate was like oh that's Elizabeth She could be watching ventures and babysitting last night and I didn't yeah She was and he was like that's the leader from a bit sitting I was like oh I didn't know she was in the back to the future He's like no just this one and I was like what do you mean? He was like she was she replaced the original actress and I was like okay They look exactly the same I always found it super glaring but she was also like a bigger deal Because of the cry kid crying karate karate right yeah Yeah, but you're babysitting yeah, that's true She is she's a hot property, but this is a hot sequel right? I mean I don't know she's cocktail was the year before I think and she's She's a loving kind of a movie star on her right? Yeah, um But she's fine, but you know it just sucks that they or whatever They just don't know what to do with her it feels like they are like ah shit We like wrote that she got in the car like I guess we know it's only that because they want to have a marty In-doc adventure, that's what they want to have that's you know That's what they want this equal to be but I bring this up only because it adds the weird layer With the first scene of the movie being a shot for shot remake of the ending of the last movie They can't reuse it because they have a different actress so it feels like people have done the side-by-side Compillations it's like them trying to match their line readings almost identically the same shots the same timing But it's all just recreated which the whole last third of the movie ends up being and then you go to 2015 Muchas fucking rules and I said this to you David I feel like this is still like the vision of the future and pop culture that people use as a reference point most and In that way Nicole what you were saying of like when 2015 came around people kept on talking about yeah disappointed They were like it was so fixed in people's brains.
That's the year. We're gonna have a spike You know how much that everyone can just wear like I was ready for you I mean I will want it you can do that Ben. I go buy one. Yeah, I went we can wear them together Just we'll be too little spiky-helmed people all that stuff is just so I love his whole look I love the fun like you say that they're having Griffin where you go back to the diner You know you have all those kinds of jokes, but like I like the differences like Griff is just it's like bullies in the future We'll be like hyper bullies like it'll just be like they'll be like double the bully They'll be like on coke or something like you know what I mean like that things are everything in the future is just sort of louder and more Colorful and more ridiculous like in good ways and bad like what's the jaws sequel like jaws 19 or what I can't remember the number Yeah, it's really really really real.
I think it's the tagline. It's really really personal It's the most personal and it's like credit is being directed by Spielberg's son. Oh, that's fun. That is funny The shark still looks fake.
I do like I mean we're talking about Tom Wilson arguably being the MVP of this movie his take on Griff is that he's like a short-circuiting cyborg like they're obviously All these things like there's that moment where he grows taller, but even just the way he speaks and moves his body It's like he's a robot that's been like doused in water where he just keeps up on like McFly I don't know what it's like every year is like but also you have to remember that Biff is his dad imagine Biff is your dad You would be fucked up too He's probably glitching because he's been hit so many times right right I guess or good I guess oh, yeah, it's in with a cane. So wait, this is grandfather. So yeah, who's his dad? Yeah, who did Griff?
Yeah, yeah, Driff right, but who fucked Biff actually the worst the worst This is the thing I was arguing I like to David is that two is where they start to like heighten Biff into being like a Cosmopolitan Like the idea that just like right at any point in time there is a tanning who represents the worst of all humanity There's always a tanning yeah Yeah, is this the one where they are absolutely like he is Donald Trump like or what do they have the Trump concept from them again? You're it's this one where he's a mocha. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, and it's explicitly like I mean the hair is near identical like minus the sideburns And it is I mean it's one of those things I feel like gail and Zemeckas have to talk about this in interviews all the time now But they were like Donald Trump was the example of the grossest kind of person at that point in the late 80s So we just thought it'd be funniest if like that's the kind of tacky billionaire that he would be Not ever thinking it was possible that that kind of guy could become president like they stopped themselves at Right, he's just a rich guy. It's just that strains credibility. There's no way he would be elected It's just so funny that he is our president knowing that everyone has seen this movie This is bad really give it to us. We're gonna elect it.
We want this they warned us in a very popular movie that people like yeah I always talk about to there's this sesame Street TV special It was like the 30th anniversary of sesame Street or something that was about Donald Trump buying sesame Street to tear it down and install a new building and Joe Pesci played Donald Trump post Oscar It's Joe Pesci and the character's name is Ronald Grump But they style him exactly like Trump in the suit and the red tie the wig and the eyebrows and I'm like in 1992 or whatever You could do a sesame Street special where an Academy Award winner played this guy and everyone accepted that he was the villain that He was a biff level cosmic evil and then 20 years later So wild that like someone so stupid as our president whatever I'm talking about it But like in Hill Valley when it's all shitty the thing that like really got me is when Marty goes to his home claims in his window and there's a little black girl in her bed And I was like oh because it's a bad neighborhood the black people now live in his house Yeah, can we be a little bit more creative just have him be fucking Hill Billy's didn't have to be black But then I was like well, we didn't get any black movies. I guess I should be grateful right the only you got Goldie Wilson That's the only black Yes, the transformation of it into a bad neighborhood is Pretty lame the only thing is that then the whole city is just ruined like so I guess it's all bad Like what did Biff do I like it? It's dystopian griff to be clear. I enjoy that it's you know Lude personally right hellishly bad, but like what the hell happened like it's just that he like bought up all the property Is that what he did?
I think it might be the same thing Trump has done where he's gonna tax breaks away I guess he's not the president so I don't yeah I guess he just has this big hotel casino Right, it's in like people wasted their money and couldn't pay their mortgages and then their homeless and shooting each other in the streets I loved that I don't think it was a chalk outline. It was like a tape outline of bodies on the street Yes, I mean laughs so hard. I was like they left it there They didn't take it away after they took the bot they left it the other thing is when you see when Marty's like outside The pleasure palace and there's the video playing of the like the museum like how did Biff become the luckiest man in the world You see the newspaper headlines of him buying off the government over and over again There's like the idea that he's the one who bought off enough centers or whatever to get gambling legalized Mm-hmm see that one of the businesses he started was toxic waste disposal Like it's just that he's this guy who's like reveled in the worst of humanity And has either made money off of doing things that like hurt the people around him or has paid off government officials to legalize the bad things He wants to do so I think it's like yeah He also dates Marilyn Monroe and right there's a picture of Marilyn Monroe And then he dates like other beautiful women and they're like he settled down with the love of his life Lorraine I'm like what's in Lorraine's pussy that this man is the richest man in the world He is a man in the world and he's like not for me. I gotta get this lady from the 50s who didn't want me I'm a but like in center like what the fuck is there has to be something in her pussy like Donald Trump right?
We all agree the whole thing is just his dad not loving him Everything is so clearly rooted in wanting his dad's approval You can see with this type of person just being like I never got over the fact that he would in the face while trying to sexually assault This woman beyond that that also that you know he approaches her in the street as well like that she like loudly rejects him And he like right like she totally like humiliates him anytime He's doing his awful like you're gonna be my like basically just grabbing her like you say Nicole right like he's humiliated by Lorraine George and for a guy this simplistic it makes sense that he just be like cool I will murder George and lock Lorraine into a loveless marriage It's so weird movie because it doesn't seem like I mean you see him in the hot tub with other men obviously He's paid for her to get this breast job, but there were a man's like there's no romance left in their marriage It doesn't even feel like I have a sexual relationship anymore It literally just feels like he's like a dragon wanting to keep a woman locked in a tower You know and my favorite part in that scene is when Marty comes back and he's like by the vault or whatever and he's you know Talking about how an older man told about the Almanac whatever and then he was like oh you your car hit the manure truck He's like how you know about that? He's like dad told me he's like your dad. He's like before he died. You went oh, okay That made me laugh so hard cuz I was like for a hot second did this thing a dead man told this Car at this point.
Yeah, I also right like when he goes back and then you see Marty like I also had the brain thing I'm like wait is he like supposed to still somehow be Lorraine's son with Biff like but then no right now Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, that's a part of it Also, the other thing I like about that moment Nicole is it's like well The the manure thing is really prevalent Marty's fine because that happened to him yesterday Right or like three days ago, but the idea that Biff reacts so strongly never got no Even though this thing was 30 years ago Yeah, like I just like the idea that Biff is still haunted by the five days that Marty McFly Like getting rejected by Lorraine getting punched by George getting manure dumped on him like his entire life has been like I need to succeed to overcome That in this very Trumpian way but once again Zemeckis and Gail you're like well How is he able to damage society this much they had to argue it was just through his business dealings because their thought was There is no way someone this transparently ugly and borish would ever be elected by a general populace Okay, so instead he's just a billionaire with a lot of influence Here's another question I have a key thing in this movie is that Marty hates being called a chicken He like goes wild if anyone calls him a chicken And it basically like where we sort of see like it kind of ruined his life because he like had this hand injury right like he hurts himself And he never gets into a car crash and because of the car crash and the car crash in the car He gives up his music career. He never sends his stuff into the record labels right is needles needles fuck them up Is that all this is that's all new right like that's a needles is played by flea right yes All of it new needles is new the chicken stuff is new. I remember watching this is not new is it not that's my quite like it's not The first movie yes, it is I can't remember the scene but Hold on let me Google it because I'm pretty sure I'm very recent.
No one I know I know I'm sure it's in the first movie No, I'm finding it well because there is a scene in the diner It says back to the future part one it gets biff calls Yeah, if calls him a chicken yes in that original like diner showdown where you have Chris been Glover and Biff is Putting his paws on Leah Thompson She slaps him and that's when Marty gets in the fight with him He doesn't react in the same like bananas way where he likes just kind of like you know siren start going off in his head But yes, it is in the first movie. That's not what I remember. Thank you Nicole I couldn't remember they made it up or like you know, but this movie doesn't know it's nobody calls me chicken right the thing I've heard gail saying interviews is they realized Marty had no internal conflict whatsoever I'm so busy the coolest kid right in the first movie with all the timeshit that he doesn't he's barely a He's that's how good Michael J Fox is in these movies like Marty's just so inherently lovable like even though right you barely He likes to play the guitar right like that's about all we know about him right and he hangs out with an old scientist Love saying I would know scientists which I take as like he his dad he wants a dad he wants like a proper dad Mm-hmm. He wishes his dad was an eccentric lunatic instead of a pathetic put upon man But yes, Marty.
It's like one of the best movie star performances of all time the first one because there's almost nothing to play there He's almost entirely reactive He's just a guy who's pretty good at everything and pretty cool and charming at everything like it shouldn't work But he's so good at reacting to people comedically and he's just so charming that this one They were like there has to be some like inner conflict within Marty I guess they took the chicken thing which he obviously doesn't react to in such a like Nuclear way in the first movie and made it like oh, this is entire Achilles heel It is his Kryptonite is falling the chicken you can get him to do anything and it will ruin his life So that there was something for him to push against in a larger sense That's fine now. I appreciate that Marty has a little bit of an ego That's cool Like I'm cool with having a chip on his shoulder But I think I prefer how Biff is so wild and it's different and dominant in the future and in the past the Marty stuff Like it's like you should be more Michael J. Fox should be more fun as all these other people and I feel like especially like Old Marty Like, you know, he's just kind of a loser like it's kind of a repeat of the first. It's okay I'm like I'm not as invested in all the Marty stuff.
It's that crazy? It's his fear of no, it happens pretty quickly like they don't live in it for too long that whole big house sequence I feel like is mostly a showcase for the technology Which this is the first movie to really use like computer controlled cameras with actors playing against themselves Mm-hmm That's a big breakthrough is it used to be if you had one actor playing two characters in one scene You had to like have it be the exact same camera position without cuts with a clear line or some object in the middle that was Separating the two of them and this he has like camera movements and wild sort of things happening objects interacting with each other Which a lot of it is shit. He learned from Roger Rabbit Obviously like having to shoot around two different elements and also how to like puppeteer props and stuff so that they can be carried over From one part of a frame to another between characters But I feel like this is just him doing the like wah we gadgetry of a oh, it gives Michael J. Fox something fun to play He gets a good one to be Right, I'm gonna show off how like no one's ever seen something like this in a movie before And they talk about like every in the big family dinner scene every single prop was like super glued down Mm-hmm because the shots wouldn't work if anything was misaligned right so they shot it over like a week where he was shooting the different parts With the camera hooked up to all these computers So would replicate the exact same timing and the same angles of the camera moves over and over again And then the second to last day there was an earthquake and they were like we fucked it up It's like the whole thing's ruined They had armed guards outside of the set overnight to make sure no one broke in and fucked with the set because it would have cost them Like millions of dollars and then there was this earthquake and they were like god damn it and they walked on and it was fine It was like an act of God that the set was somehow fine They shot the final day and finished at school George being upside down in the like back harness Right was because they thought Chris and Glover was gonna retreat and offer agree to do the movie for less money So they were like oh we'll punish him Yeah, they just hire some look alike actor to do an impression and we're like oh by the way You're gonna have to be upside down for ten days of filming damn that sucks but then didn't Chris then he sued them right And he went for a bunch of money.
Yeah, he's like it's a classic image rights face basically right? He's like I am you can't use my face Right like that's right the makeup was designed to look like him They have an impersonator from different angles doing some of the 1950s stuff and then they also reused Photos of him and stuff right yeah, and he's he's just like no It's not allowed and now like I think he made a good portion of his network from yeah probably in this movie truly Cuz it was a pretty open-as-shark case and it like it defined the rest of the industry Yeah, you gotta think Chris and Glover for Jim paid for our likeliness. Yeah, I mean that's cool I'm not sure I'm looking at Chris and I wonder if his nickname is Chris Chris B Chris B Chris B. Yeah, Chris B gloves is funny.
He's but they do work He does work with them X again one day in Beowulf. He did finally they must have made peace eventually Well, the other weird thing is when he talks about in interviews. He's like I have no problems with Bob Zemeckis. He's a gentleman We work together in Beowulf.
I had a lovely time. I hate Bob Nicole has like very much been the like spokesperson for the franchise and he doesn't really make many things after back to the future And so while Zemeckis goes on and does all these other things in his career Gail has always been sort of like the steward does all the interviews does all the promotional appearances like oversaw the Animated series and the ride and all those animated series. Oh, yeah, I've been watching it and I enjoy it thoroughly Doc Brown's kids. There's like kids about his two little boys.
Yes, Jules and Vern They get in the trouble. Jules and Vern the other one is like a rebel Bart Simpson kid And again the trouble and Marty and Marty and Doc have to follow this. It is it must be streaming somewhere I have it on DVD. It's been Griffin You have an idea all of it at night.
I have the DVD the complete series back to the Wow. There's two seasons who knew two seasons Yeah, let's see. Where is it Mary stein virgin? Okay returns.
Sure. Yes, and so is a Thomas Wilson Christopher Lloyd But no I'm like Christopher Lloyd does live action the beginning and end of every episode is doc ground live action in his lab Teaching science lessons that relate to the episode you're about to see and Bill Nye does that is Really annoying. It's Dan Castellanetta from the Simpsons does Doc Brown animated and Christopher Lloyd does like eight minutes live Not streaming you would have to buy the DVD which is only available used But for like for like 10 bucks it says on the Wikipedia that it's a French American animated science fiction company What do you need French American? Griffin please explain is a French.
I guess it must have been like a French production company Here wait, let me hold this up. I see it for full background. Okay. Yeah.
Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah But yes, that series is very much like every time they're like oh no my kids have escaped to the Civil War Oh, no, follow the kids and then there's like general bow regard tanning and they're like oh no Biff's a confederate and then when it takes like back to the future three so that's why Mary Steve Is with his wife Clara. Oh, and it's his son. I get it sons It's wild that she's the one who was like yeah, I'll do all the episodes considering that she was a fucking academy Well, maybe she really responded to the material Claire's a great character Anyway, that's the wild thing I've been watching but Glover's always been very anti-gale. He's like gale keeps on spreading false rumors about me and how difficult I was I don't like it.
I don't respect so there's there's forever be fun. Yes, but whatever they're not making anymore back to the future So, you know, I wish they would I want another line. I suppose it's not impossible This is the other thing it's back to the future is in that like last time period where they made deals like this where Bob Zemeckis and Robert Gail why'd I say Robert Zemeckis and Bob gale Bob and Bob have to approve of anything They're not allowed to do anything back to the future without both of them signing off on it, which now studios don't get Absolutely not like my fucking shit. We're gonna be with it.
That's a wild right, but like yeah Remade so let's uh, let's throw him up in there. Let's the fur back to the future for let's get a Thousand years old in the first movie. Yes, and he's such a funny No, sorry where you go when he takes his face off, right? We're all thinking about that That's really good.
Yeah, it is funny because right you have the joke in the first movie that like oh the document's really old now Let's go back in time. He barely looks any younger And then this one starts out where you're like well We're now stuck with old brown as the neutral. We don't want Christopher Lloyd wearing prosthetic wrinkles the whole movie So let's explain that he had this experimental future rejuvenation technology and he can look 30 years younger And then he pulls it off and he looks exactly the same. Mm-hmm.
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There's something odd about the third deck that even though I know Biff is insane It's kind of insane how much he's trying to kill him You know what I mean like with the with the card He knows that the future is going to change if he doesn't kill him or right? He's got higher stakes to it. Yes, I love Griff the ending ending of the third Like I love the lightning strike. I love all the sort of like time travel joy of like the guy showing up and being like I was told to be here on this day Like you know from this that that's I love like that's the kind of time travel shit that always gets me excited I guess I enjoyed the tour back to the first movie But I'm just kind of like I love that first movie so much like I'm almost worried that they're messing with it Maybe that's what what sort of sets my teeth on?
Messing with it adds to the first movie like the first way I watch back to the future to I then went back and walked back to the future one And then enjoyed the like the dance in a different way because I knew more information about the dance Right there's also little sneaky. Yeah, he's making Marty off to the side just right out of frame and all those early scenes I think it's another effective commentary thing and like what you're saying David like if people love a first movie They're fear what the sequel is is this gonna ruin the first movie for me? Like in a sequel retroactively make the first movie worse Which is why people get like defensive about new new installments and franchises, right? And this movie's like we're literally having a character walk into the edges of the scenes You've already loved and try his hardest to make sure the first movie doesn't get ruined Like he's just barely keeping everything at bay.
Right. I just think that's so fun I agree it's fun. I like it. I like it.
I think it's you sound reluctant What we want is for you to go. I love it That is famous I take it I I think I sort of just enjoy the invention of the first the first act in the second act more because There's so like Zemeckis is so good at that kind of world building like all the little jokey stuff in the future all the little jokey stuff In the nightmare world like all the little details that are crammed into the frame Those are just very delightful to like take in and like chuckle at like like scene after scene after scene, right? Sure, yeah, yeah Yeah And that's that's when he's doing all the second beat stuff like all the mirroring of earlier scenes and also the fact that Hill Valley is So based around that town square that you get to the reef in that one area You can always play with a different storefronts and what the clock towers transformed into do we know how we kill George? Do they explain it or is it just they killed it?
Yeah, right? Yeah, right? Yeah, right? Yeah, right?
Yeah, right? Right in the face. I Think as a kid I was so entranced by the idea of the Almanac I liked sports pages in general anyway like I always liked just like that there was a part of this the newspaper That was just like all these little tables, you know All this like really boring data and like the idea that you could use that to become so rich I don't know I think I was taking away a lot of the wrong messages when I was ten years old They should call you Biff Sims. I He's the MVP I think Tom Wilson Thomas Wilson.
I don't know if he's whatever I think he's the MVP of this movie he's the one who gets them to do the most new stuff and it's joyful Like I think Lloyd kind of gets a better showcase in three is that fair? Yeah, and Fox they like sort of satiate him by letting him play all the other characters because other than that He's just kind of running around the whole movie I mean it feels like all the family stuff is just a gift to him so he has something to chew on as an actor But the Tom Wilson stuff's the best his big monologue to Marty like explaining the safe leading up to them on the rooftop Where he's threatened to kill him is so good But for me the big Tom Wilson scene is the car scene between young Biff and Old Biff is like so fucking good Mm-hmm both of those performances are so good and the frustration of Old Biff dealing with how stupid young Biff is And like the self-hatred of that, you know like they're just like put in a no of course you don't have a safe Like he just has such contempt for himself They're so clever to have like they still Zemeckis is still using like weird dividers to be able to build the split screen around for any scene where it's two actors talking themselves So with like the two Doc Browns outside the clock tower You have the flagpole in the car you have the divider of the windshield There's that scene where Marty is like in the wings while the prom performance is happening where they have like the ladder in the way And the ladder looks composited like it's got the weird sort of like green screen glow around it And he does this thing that he does all the time which is like go out of your way to make something look like it's really there So he has the Marvin Barry actor walk around the ladder. That's not really there just to try to sell it There's another one where that when the car is flying out of like the shitty Hill Valley cul-de-sac it hits a bunch of boxes and like trash falls over and the car is clearly a model and the trash is real And that's such a Roger Rabbit thing of like he must have just had seven PAs holding on to wires attached to the trash Just pulling the trash so that they could later composite the car in there But it's all that like Zomakka's nerd shit that I love I love that too I love all those tiny little details that that's joyous and like I don't know like if you think about this movie I think like in its in 80s movie It's in the era of Blade Runner like having like a shiny crunchy silly future versus a terrifying future and having a terrifying present instead Like all that I appreciate I think that is a nice spin on the 80s concept of what's gonna happen to us And you have that that final act that's like a you know the the meta textual stuff. Yeah I love your take I love your take Griffin.
Can I say that I say the first movie? Yes, and he's also like the stakes are high because of the bit shit Like as we know Biff is a full-on fucking psycho's gonna murder his dad So is there a better back to the future three like say someone like just talks to Zomakka's and it's like Bobby like I like I like back to the future three We're gonna have a fun talking about but you know what I mean like is there a way to hide from this movie further Or is this about as bananas as you can be like is this sort of like is Zomakka's right to be like Yeah, sort of chill out for the next one and kind of stay put do you have any takes on this Nicole? I got like a really wild take I thought of while watching this But I want to hear if you have anything no, what's your wild take? I do think to some degree this movie goes so bugged nuts that the third one has to be scaled back in some kind of way You have to bring it back to more of like an emotional character story away from it being the wild like they can travel everywhere The car can do anything we're jumping all around multiple timelines I do like the idea of it being sort of set and the other good thing about the wild west premise is that you're like Oh, they're at a time really devoid of technology.
It's really hard for them to get out of it It's really hard for them to fix the car. That's good The thought I had watching this one was like would it be cooler if they went to like prehistoric times Oh, do this premise is a cooler if it's Doc and Marty. Yeah Doc Brown is too old you don't want to see a body double running away from a T-Rex Yeah, it's just you don't want it. I'm telling you right now.
It would be very bad. Okay. It's also like what four or five years before Jurassic Park so like the dinosaurs would not have looked good Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead of that Stop motioning dinosaurs. It would have been yeah, it would have been goofy.
Yeah, let's let's wrap up Is there anything else you want to hit before I kick that off? Yeah, I want to do a brief Merchandise spotlight The the hoverboard in the film has the Mattel logo stamped on it Which they did for first a millet Do they were like we like the idea of this not just being a high-end technology But a thing that like little kids play with let's get a real toy company to put their name on it So it looks like a real cheesy product But that combined with the fact that when back to the future to was coming out They did this very weird thing that's on the DVD set called back to the future night where they played the first movie on network TV For the first time but did us behind the scenes plus sneak preview of the next movie special that's hosted by Leslie Nielsen It's Leslie Nielsen like after naked gun has made him a star wearing a tuxedo getting out of the DeLorean telling no jokes whatsoever Being super dry and just going like hello. I'm Leslie Nielsen. You might know me as a movie star But that's not why I'm here today I'm here because I love time travel and it's just him I love it saying like I love back to the future Don't we all miss ducking Marty?
But in that thing they show this behind the scenes peak of the hoverboard sequence Which I feel like was their big money sequence like you're not gonna believe the special effects of this thing and in that Robert Zemeckis says, you know hoverboards are real They're like a real technology that the toy companies have had for years and years and years But they've never been able to sell them because the government won't approve of them So we just got Mattel to loan us a hoverboard and making the movie and because of that kids for years saw that special Saw it with the logo thought the hoverboard was real and the tell got letters for like five years after this movie begging them to And they just had to like majorly majorly course correct and like say like it was a lie and people were like why are you covering up the truth? You told us the truth the first time it's a conspiracy all the hoverboards around warehouse somewhere. I Would never buy hoverboard they seem very dangerous right? What if I find fine?
We have are those things on wheels right the little boards that are on two wheels we kind of like lean forward They're called hoverboards But they're pretenders to the throne I got so excited when people were like oh kids are now We're buying all these hoverboards and I was like what they did it and then I saw that dumb fucking Essentially what it is it's a segment without handles right there dangerous. I've been on one and I've also fallen off one I buy a hoverboard tomorrow. All right fine. I'm too old for our boards But when I was a kid I wanted our reward and I just like that's the introduction of 90 style that that sort of green pink You know like neon the way it's like tricked out.
That's like my childhood That's what everything look like when I was like when I was again, and that's that's great. Yeah, Griff Let's talk about the box others rules. It's so cool I want a hoverboard also that sequence is one of those things where it's like that alone I think shot took four weeks to shoot because it's essentially like Michael J Fox wearing an iron maiden being suspended from cables Like a marionette puppet to get like one shot at a time It's such wild stuff that they make look kind of effort right everything in this very effortless which is impressive This movie came out Griffin Thanksgiving 1989 November 24th. It was not iron maiden chastity belt is what I meant to say Okay wearing a harness for flying scenes is like a chassis belt.
That's the joke I want to make I apologize it wasn't worth going back David box it open It was a very big movie it made lots and lots of money made $43 million in the opening weekend. That's wild That's too much money tons of money for the 80s, you know Everyone was happy like I don't think it made as much as the original movie ended up making but big opener number two Griffin It's it's 89 89 number two Griffin guy Nicole gris gonna guess the top five movies of this weekend number two is a Notorious bomb like from a huge star like but one of his most famous bombs Okay, I'm sorry say say the date of the weekend against November 24th. No Thanksgiving 1989. It's November fuck.
Okay Notorious flop from a huge star is it an action guy. It's a comedy guy, but this is like a serious movie that he's doing Fuck it's comedy guy doing a serious and he's not he directed it and he directed it. Why am I not thinking of this? It's like this is so obvious right?
I would say it's a pretty it's not like a movie people remember that well But people like it's a famous flop. It's a fame like it's a big comedy star He put two other big comedy legends in it. He directed it. He wrote it like it was his huge passion project Harlem Knights It's Harlem Knights Eddie Murphy Richard Pryor red Fox, you know big period piece Huge flop that's what it is.
Have you ever seen when you look at it? I mean it did make it did but you know I feel like at the time everyone just lambasted it right like it Just got this like terrible. Have you ever seen Harlem Knights anyone has anyone ever seen Harlem Knights? I sure haven't know I mean other of I I kind of always wanted I was wanted to check it out because I love Eddie I've seen most of them.
I don't know why I've never seen that one I remember hearing some interview with them where they were like do you like directing would you ever do it again? After Harlem Knights and he was like no people just kept on coming up to me and ask me what I thought of this pillow in the Background That was the way he described directing he was like just stop asking me about pillows. All right, guys number three It's the Disney movie. It's a cartoon animated film big hit 1989.
It's a big kids the Little Mermaid the Little Mermaid It's just starting but it's gonna make tons and tons of money Number four another huge comedy huge comedy of the year one of the biggest movies of the year very gimmicky My director we will do on the show one day not twins. It's a really gimmicky Sort of revived someone's career. Oh Fuck it's someone will do someday. It's not yes.
Oh god. No, but it is like career revivals. Yeah Yeah, well, and maybe that's about it's a kid's movie. It's like a kid's comedy.
Oh good poke kids That's a great guess but no Kid no not honey. I sure the kid but it does involve special effects sort of I guess something crazy is happening in this movie Something crazy unusual is the title describing the wild thing that's happening. It's describing. It's like I can't I can't describe the title It's it's you know, oh something's happening.
That's what the title is What if there was a ghost that no come on Griffin comedy director It's a big company director will probably cover someday. It's not even right men. No female director It's a penny Marshall movie. No, no, it's oh, it's look who's talking.
It's look who's talking look who's talking Look who's talking with John Travolta and a talking baby voiced by Bruce Willis. Yes That's what the movie is it was one of the biggest hits of the year and then there's another huge hit a famous sappy movie is number five a famous crier famous cryo Steel magnolias Right, this is a hot you got it right. This is a hot five. That's a hot five I think the Harlem Knights big bomb But you know 89 was so big and I feel like 89 was a year where the biggest opening weekend record was broken like four times Like I think I was too broke it and then Batman broke what Ghostbusters two had broken You had a lot of big sequels for the first time you had a lot of movie stars at their peak It was well.
Yeah, no, you're right. No, you're right. The big movies are Batman Indiana Jones back to the future to Lethal weapon to it's a lot of big sequels is like you make movies like the ku-stalkin we gotta we gotta let go Out of here, sorry We don't want to hold you any longer. So thank you for being on the show.
No, thank you for having me. Okay, bye Bye, bye, bye, Nicole. See you Nicole and then there was three and then there was three She froze while waiting goodbye and smiling, but it looked like she was just committing to it look like she was sort of doing a freeze frame Goodbye like in a sitcom right? The other thing that I was sort of like watching this movie I'm like damn this is a dense movie There's all kinds of stuff going on and then what I often do when we're doing the show is I have like the Wikipedia page open So I can just have the plot summary up and like plot wise.
It's a very There's no it's not actually a lot of going on in the movie You know what I mean? Like it's all antics, but like it's pretty simple like like you said like it's like this and then that and then they fix it You know like it's it's it's all it's all pretty surfacy, which maybe is my problem with it But it's also kind of the point I don't know I think this is a weird movie I that's what I like about it and to you saying David like is there a better version of back to the future three that could exist I feel like this is the best possible back to the future that could ever exist I feel like this movie has all of the smartest and so the most equal yes, right? Yeah, okay, you said back to the future you just said it's the best back to the two oh I might I don't know but what if Right, so what if this was three but maybe not like maybe you need to do like I said you need to do all the wild stuff first Yeah And the other point is I mean like I was watching the making of stuff in Spielberg keeps on saying like we were following in the Star Wars model Like the second one is the dark one. We wanted to make the one where everything went wrong Yes, that's fair and it ends on a cliffhanger that is ostensibly Scary or right like doc is gone and then it's also the first movie to end with the trailer for the next movie ever Which is a bold decision at the time.
It does kind of suck a little bit of the power of the ending away Yes, you know what I mean? Like it's like it's kind of better to leave Marty on that truly like fuck what's gonna happen and then instead It's like anyway Yeah, they talked about they were like worried that audiences would revolt if the movie ended on such a down note So they wanted to give them a key that the third one was in fact happening like it was more just a show like look We have footage I swear to God the movie is like a given but right right right? It's kind of a thing where I almost wish they cut it out for like home video releases like it just cut to credits now Yeah, right you just go into that right but you like show it to me the way it wasn't here Yeah, you kind of keep it It's a weird little artifact that they did that Ben before we wrap up like wrap up wrap up You didn't get to talk much cuz you know Nicole had a hard out We wanted to get you know Nicole talking but you do you do you only take some of this way? I just feel like the hoverboards the the the clothes I mean that's what I wanted to jump in on I think yeah This is so 90s like that's what we were talking about to the colors like it like the projection of that but the gang Right cuz think about in the first movie like a thing I wrote down right in my little congratulations idea notebook is I want to get customized 3d glasses because I think that fucking rules It's just an accessory to just where right just want to Biff henchman.
Where's that? No henchman wears the 3d glasses. What is it 3d? Hell yeah, that's good But yeah, I brought the helmet their fucking look is it's so fucking good So good and yeah, I think even just down to like I think a little thing that I always remembered is Griffs one metal knee pad.
Yes like just little shit like that. It's like lost boys. Yeah meats Like blade runner, right? It's just such a great amalgamation of all this stuff But then it's still a kid's like movie right so it's not like sharp and like edgy I like can I give you the names of the gang yeah of the future gang please data spike and white Did you have a friend called spike Ben cuz I feel like you should have a nice No, cuz I feel the nose I like about it.
I had a friend named Spike. I lived with a guy named Spike I was the spike friend. I have a different friend name Spike now That's right and lousy with Spike you have what you have two spikes in your way You know what in fact I arguably have three one of my best friends in high school who I later lived with when we both read out At a college was named Spike right I have a friend who now goes by Spike and then my best friend in college for the brief time I was there before dropping out Was a guy who was known as Spike and when he went to college He was like I'm gonna shake up my brand and change my name So I knew him as Nick and then I stayed in touch of them over the years and when I hang out with him and his friends They all call him Spike Wow. I knew him in the one period when he kind of wasn't Spike It's weird that he was like I have to rebrand.
I can't be this cool anymore. I can't be Spike anymore I'm just gonna be Nick. I'll be wearing a spike bracelet and so I don't call him Spike He's like I don't want to be the bracelet guy anymore And I think he didn't realize oh I can still be named Spike and not wear the bracelet It's just right man. I know it's not quite vaporwave cuz we're not quite like the mid 90s in carda Yeah vibes that are that sort of the base of a vaporwave But still just like the hologram of the shark biting Marty like all that stuff yep no absolutely and for how much they got right like In their future predictions like they say like 50% of it we got right 50% of it We got wrong stuff like that how quickly 80s nostalgia was gonna come into play like half 80s looks like just a pop-up That someone would have But there's shit like there's the the surf Vietnam poster in the back alley Mmm, which they were just like this is ridiculous.
There's no chance Vietnam is ever gonna become a tourist attraction They nailed that right like the gas prices The thing with like watching like eight different screens at once and the kid wearing the headset at the dinner table The joke that the Cubs are in the world series which everyone was like ha ha ha ha You know they famously never make it they did win I believe the year after I think they won the world series 2016 Yeah, and that there's a Miami team which at the time was not true But now there is one all that stuff's fun It's making me think that you really like this first movie and the second movie Are really only times where you can make these kinds of projections and jokes because you can't do that now no no Just climate change it would just be a climate change and that shit right Land like truly that's what I read some interview with Chris for Lloyd where he they were like Should you know I assume like as he gets all ass all the time? I'm like would you want to make a back to the future for and he's like yeah if it's about climate change I don't really know else else you do that I feel like he's shot new stuff as Doc Brown about climate change So they've like put on the internet or put on every releases and stuff like that But yeah, it seems like that's the only thing he wants to talk about good for him Chris for Lloyd's a legend It's interesting for how much technology stuff they got right the fashion stuff They were totally kind of off point for the 2000s But then on point for the early 90s like everyone just took a lot of these aesthetics and started manufacturing them in 1992 Yeah, yeah, that kind of that's I feel like that's often true these future movies You really are predicting five years in the future right in terms of clothes Marty shoes look like Air Jordan's like from like the mid 90s 100% right oh you want the other merch spotlight is like they've produced those shoes a couple times in like crazy limited runs that They do for Michael J Fox's charity to raise money and they go for like tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars Just insane shit But Nike does have the patent on self-lacing shoes like they have filed that patent they have it they have not released it I feel like they at some point were like showed off some early prototype that didn't totally do it But it's actively a thing that they've been working on since this movie because they want to be the ones to do it since This movie gave them the glory of that creation right? Pepsi did like in 2015 they released the bottle that looked kind of like the bottle in this movie like all the companies that are Used in this movie kind of embraced it But I want to say Ben you mentioned the spiky boot the one booth that Griff has that's also like becomes the biggest Design aesthetic of like 90s comic books David like that becomes like Jim Lee Rod Liffield Tom Carlin the character has one oversized Blue absolutely you're not wrong and then the other foot's kind of normal. Yeah, you're totally right I just feel like people people from this movie all the way do and I think it rolls and I love it I'm glad you love it.
I like your take I there's just always gonna be something for me with this movie where I'm like more Enjoying it than I'm loving it, but I don't know that's something wrong with me. I mean maybe Let's go ahead. Sorry. I mean, there's definitely something wrong with you I don't know why you keep on arguing about those extra two inches, but for me as a kid I prefer this one which is objectively the wrong opinion But I think I just got so excited by the wildness of it I think that is a classic hit opinion though where you're just like this rules You know, it's so much fun, right?
Yeah, it's bigger Yeah, can I say though, especially now that Nicole's gone because I just think she would have no interest in this conversation What's the movie that is most indebted to back to the future to specifically Avengers endgame Avengers endgame is so back to the future It's just like watching this again not having seen it in a while It is wild how the structure is almost the same of like, you know, you you create the future That's worse than you ever could have imagined and the only way to fix it is to go back into the previous movie and relive your greatest hits It's so funny because of interesting game makes it clear It's like but you know back to the future is not how this stuff actually works But it is basically the same Context like basically the same like idea of a movie like let's go back and look at the greatest hits and sort of have fun dodging around with them Which is like yeah, I was planning on the Russo brothers pizza film school in our I want to hold your hand episode And then I believe literally the next day they posted an episode with love gale That's actually really good and worth watching and it's Marcus McPheeley the two rusos and gale And they just get into a lot of the storytelling principles that gels and Macias had at the time and how like the rusosos and Marcus McPhee are trying to like math it and like talk about like you have to do this by page 16 and this and that and gels just like I don't know We just did stuff as we thought it was fun But like these are the rules right we hold ourselves to in terms of character integrity in terms of fulfilling promises to the audience Not the same sort of like structure mechanics shit But it's so clear how much they were beholden to these movies and then also that they were like we had to explicitly write in a character Saying it doesn't work like back to the future because back to the future becomes the thing that everyone thinks of in terms of like Cause and effect of time travel right right right and that's that's fine. I get it like that's I you know, I feel like I stuck up for the rooster brothers when you were clowning on them Then I someone posted the intro to their thing and I was like, oh, this looks like the worst It's really hard and then now you're saying like yeah, but you know and so now I'm like alright I'll give him a shot right like all like I like a great many things about those guys Yeah, there are a lot of things that are very easy to clown on with and and that intro is definitely that's exactly That's right, but I recommend that people watch the back to the future episode of pizza film school I recommend that people watch all 26 episodes of act of the future of the animated series available now on use DVD It's essential. It is an essential is it? essential David stop your stop your the wire rewatch and watch back to the future of the animated series I'm not rewatching the wire.
I thought about rewatching the wire because It's whatever, you know the sort of time. We're all like rewatching shit right now, right? Like that's like um, but my Forky is a teacher In his spare time. I don't know how to do the forky bit about this and the wires school series.
I think it's just gonna be too much Yes, it will be too much It's so it's so devastating that should then why not go back in time and hang out with these friends Yeah, you know what fine. I mean, jeez, I mean you talk to me into a griffon. I'm gonna buy the back to I'm definitely not gonna look Clara Joel's vern I Wasn't there I mean I watch it when I was a kid much like I watched like the Beetlejuice cartoon like a lot of those cartoons They were based on movies that I may not have even seen yet Like but I just sort of like soaked in the aesthetics by these like little Saturday morning cartoons first I absolutely watch all of those cartoons before I saw any of those movies. Yeah, Bill and Ted Beetlejuice back to the future Yeah, the one I remember always is the strangest I still remember to this day is the MC Hammer.
Oh, yeah Friends and they talked to him right what a fun Yeah, that's a weird thing I guess that doesn't exist anymore, huh? Like where people could just shoehorn any concept into that time slot I I so badly want it to come back and it's one of my great disappointments that I think back not back to the future Fast and furious spy racers which is the fast and furious animated series that's on Netflix is not that at all like when they Announce they're doing a fast and furious animators. I was a great It's gonna be the whole cast they'll bring Paul Walker back from the dead with a sound alike and they'll all be driving like robot cars And instead it's Dominic Toretto's nephew working for like a government agency Griffin this is like one of the this you you are so annoyed about this so right like yes So it's up to be multiple the four or five biggest issues plaguing our world today is back to the future Why don't you say back to the first five racers you want to go out on that that the cartoon show is the thing that's been plaguing us the most And we'll end there because I want more like this is this is what I want I want like John Wick the animated series I want someone to do like a Saturday morning style John Wick series that functions like a ramble cartoon series where John Wick has Orphans who help him like defend the future or they're all right right and his guns are all like stun guns They're no real bullets like I just love the weird bastardization of like movies that weren't totally meant for kids But I'm very successful with kids and then you make these odd Naptations were like you'll just the animated series is about be able to send Lydia being best friends and Lydia just going into the ghost world To help be able to use out with his problems and vice versa whereas in the movie You'll just a man who tries to marry a 13 year old against her will he's he's less cool in the movie I would right right there like good buddies and back to the features about like doc rounds annoying kids and uncle Marty having to clean up Their messes, you know Einstein driving the car and shit like I just love this I want all adult movies to have animated series again It's it's all I asked for make a mad Max cartoon. I'd watch the hell out of it Yeah about the guitar guy just him and mad Max adventures or whatever.
Yeah, do do for your doofin sons right? To do for son do for a little do Thank you folks all for listening next week back to the future part three we conclude our back to the future month Yes, join us next week for back to the future three which we're gonna record very soon And I'm excited for that just because that's a silly Lucy Lucy movie. It's a silly Lucy Lucy movie It's the ultimate gentleman six and certainly the one I've seen the least so I'm excited to watch it again with fresh eyes And yeah, I don't know Bobby Samakas. We're still in the golden years for this guy You know everything's going fine right now.
I'll say oh, that's the one final thing I wanted to say Watching it now through this prism you do start to see a lot of the things that start to play Because I'm at this movie this feels like the first one where it's like a it feels like Zamekis and Khandi nailed down this like super shiny Ambulany look that I feel like is what all 90s like adventure films family comedies like blockbusters all kind of have this color palette This sort of bright shiny lighting going forward or even in the nighttime scenes everyone's kind of cleanly lit right Where's the first one has some some grit to it to yeah? I'm designing entire sequences around showing off new technological tricks I've developed That's what was occurring to me right where he's just like can we do this and they're like maybe right and you're like okay, Bobby You know like it's all in service of something Insane yeah, which is good in this because the movies kind of just bananas anyway, so who cares but it? It's gonna be as a kill easy like more stuff is good the tricks he pulls off or good this time Like it's worthwhile and it's a lot of stuff that was new and that changed the industry forever He pioneered a lot of shit on this movie But the final piece of it is the Zamekis obsession was sort of being clever and being a step ahead of the audience Spielberg says in some behind the scenes thing that he's like an ornery filmmaker and he wants to have like a struggle He wants to feel like he's pushing against something when I interviewed him He was so fucking ornery, you know Not a bad way, but that's definitely his energy but the more successful he becomes the more he's like fuck you on doing mocap Hola Express like he wants people to be doubting him every time and trying to out clever them There's an amazing quote from him in behind the scenes thing though where he goes like yeah I don't know I mean I was like really frustrated when you're trying to come up with ideas for this movie because I don't really care about time travel I don't really care about the future I don't really care about aliens like the future and aliens like they're the two least interesting things you can make movies about because it's just You guessing you don't do anything you know you don't know what you're writing about you're just making shit up and then it's like seven years later He does contact he does another time travel movie, you know, yeah, that's crazy Yeah What a weird guy and we'll be talking about how weird he is for the next four months Thank you all for listening. Please my rate review subscribe go to Blenkeys calm blankies dot reddit calm for some real nerdy shit I calm go to shopify our shopify page for merge.
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No, let's we have the crypt keeper booked But for what lies beneath that's the weird thing that one He's an expert. He's like the crypt keeper canceled Keeper crypt keeper is an ultimate ally. He's a gentleman on set He fights hard for the rights of his crew and his cast members. Yeah, please don't say that the crypt keepers like you Jack He's like very supportive of everyone around town I don't know why I went to huge.
All right, we're done. We're done. We're done. That's always that's all Yeah, I mean you're kind right and when you say you got to do an end as always it kind of puts a lot of pressure on my End is always because usually I'm just kind of like rolling into it now you sort of circled it Well, so she even and she got think and Lee Montgomery fur theme song Jobo and Pat rounds for artwork of course and as always David kind of screwed me with the end as always I don't know what to say I would have done a great end as always but the pressure became too great And you folks just have to imagine what it would have been had David not Not burdened me with expectations.
It feels like I'm turning my zoom off You just keep going it's my back to the future to how could I ever live up to what people wanted it to be at this point?