Bunker USA: “Jack Bauer isn’t real” – The truth about espionage in the digital age

The tech explosion has transformed the spy game. Are intelligence agencies fit to face new threats from terror groups, disinformation gangs, and even teenagers in bedrooms? In a fascinating conversation intelligence expert Amy B. Zegart – author of Spies, Lies, and Algorithms: The History and Future of American Intelligence – tells Andrew Harrison how too much “spytainment” has warped US intelligence policy; the truth about the CIA blunders that led to 9/11 and the Iraq quagmire; and why modern spying isn’t what you think it is.  “The intelligence game isn’t about secrets. It’s about piecing together information.”  “George Washington even used fake French bakeries to deceive the British about American troop numbers.” “The more spy-themed TV you watch, the more likely you are to support questionable practices.” “The truth is, there has never been a ticking time bomb situation.” www.patreon.com/bunkercast  Written and presented by Andrew Harrison. Producers: Jet Gerbertson and Alex Rees. Assistant Producer: Kasia Tomasiewicz. Audio production: Alex Rees. Lead Producer: Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices