Welcome to Pivot Point. I'm Nathan and I'm Chris. The podcast where two friends worked their way through Tony Robbins self-help book Awaken the Giant Within. Where every week we talk about how we intend to create lasting change, working our way through the book one chapter a week.
We are using this journey as our pivot point to take immediate control of our mental, emotional, physical, and financial destinies. All right chapter four belief systems the power to create and the power to destroy. So what do you think? This one was pretty good.
This was this one definitely had the most meat so far of any of the chapters. It was the longest obviously and a lot of it was just sort of rehashing the same material but definitely towards the end it got into some pretty deep stuff. Yeah so as you know I finished the end today about two hours ago and doing the exercise at the end we'll get to that I'm sure but it was it was hard and it was as hard as you and I talked today earlier but it was pretty hard to go through and to actually complete it but yeah and I you know he well we'll get to that. Let's at the beginning I suppose.
So he starts off with talking about beliefs and convictions and the meaning behind them all. I thought it was interesting that when associating like pain and pleasure how we talked about that last week about giving meaning to some of the convictions that we had and how those convictions may continue to cause pain for you but you you still believe them for some reason. Yeah I don't know I had something written down here and I wanted to try it but I don't know if we want to do it now but about that just to test something. So you want to try it?
Yeah let's go for it. I didn't tell you about this so we'll see if it goes we'll just cut it out. That's right. Yeah so just do a little roleplay here so you be yourself and I'm just gonna be just a normal person that comes up to you you haven't seen me in a while and we just saw each other at a party.
So oh hey Nathan I heard you were doing some pretty good woodworking I saw your pictures on Facebook that stuff's pretty awesome. Thanks. You're supposed to reply. Just something I do in the spare time.
Oh really? What else have you made? A couple cutting boards started some bedside tables that I haven't finished. I could never make those.
You're doing like some amazing work like I saw those one things you made they were really amazing probably some of the best woodworking I've ever seen. Did you see what I'm saying? So we talked about convictions and how we like have them and how you like we've talked about it a bunch just you and I but and we're only three minutes into this but how we both have that downplaying conviction like we're not that good at whatever we're doing. Yeah instantly downplay everything so that's the exact conversation I'm sure we both had where somebody's like hey I saw this you made and it was the most amazing thing I've ever seen and you're like wow you must not get out.
That was my exact thought. Yeah he gets to be able to do that. Yeah and it completely but that's the that's the result though as we end up resulting in non-monetizing anything that we make because we downplay every single bit of it. Yeah that's why I try to get out with that was.
I think downplaying is sugar-goating it. We're full-on pessimists about all of it like downplaying is you say pessimist? Yeah oh yeah I'll destroy just about anything I've made pretty quickly. Most definitely.
Even this one he's talking about I guess that's like some of the things that we're most proud of easily destroy them in a couple sentences and I've even had it where I've been talking to somebody about something that I'm actually very proud of but I'll destroy it to the point where their face even changes like they kind of look at you like what the hell like really that's not what I saw about the pictures or video I saw. Is that a fear of being proud or being seen as proud? So I think there's a I see proud and cocky as the same thing and I think that's problem. I agree in the same way and it's definitely a problem because it's with anything you know like oh you have whatever blank and it's instant like hey I'd like to change a subject now and if you talk to anybody or know of anybody very successful in the business room we're in a personal realm like he later talks about is mirroring them when you find those people they have a way instead of like downplaying it they just talk through it like oh yeah I work pretty hard on it but you know it took a long time to get there those kind of statements rather than like oh yeah but there's a cut in it if you notice the joint didn't really fit together right?
It's like me getting to another right yeah I think that's okay if you're talking to like another practitioner you know it you accept their respect but then you you're able to talk shop but most people don't know shop when it comes to whatever you're talking about. So going back to the proud versus cocky thing the you know a little bit of pride is okay and it's a good thing it's you know it shows self-esteem and like that you believe in yourself where do you think that connection came from for you that proud and cocky are the same thing? I think it's seeing like it's probably something to do with my parents or my father and just like the humbleness or maybe something of that sort I don't know if you want to go back that far and do the whole like it's my parents fault thing but I would say it's humbleness of them and family that they've done some pretty cool things or amazing things or gotten to certain points in their life that it's not really talked about so when it is talked about it seems cocky I guess and there's also that huge I have a massive disdain for people who are cocky because most of them get caught up that they don't know what they're doing so that's probably more like it I just hate people that are cocky so what about you I mean you do the exact same thing so you feel it's the same disdain for cocky people or is it so I've been thinking about since I did this exercise that we'll get into later I've been trying to like trace back certain ideas and beliefs that I have and I think I can trace this one directly back to my religious upbringing because the way I was raised was that everything that you had or did had nothing to do with you and was a direct gift from God and you didn't deserve it you didn't do anything to get it he just decided to give it to you and if you were proud of it you were wrong and that was ingrained from like day one like very early age that was a that was a strongly held belief among the community that I grew up in and that's one of the things that is stuck around that I have not been able to like get over so you so it's a complete belief like you actually like it's in you okay he does the four table or the four legs to the table but you already have those four legs of statements is what you're saying yeah I mean if we were to support that belief if we were gonna talk about whether or not it was a an opinion of belief a conviction or what was I don't know what the fourth one was no it's just those three opinion beliefs and convictions it was a conviction 100% it probably like it's deep down in there it probably still is like I believe that the core of my being that nothing that I did was because of my efforts and only because somebody else gave it to me yeah and that's pretty messed up like when you really think about it that's not a really great way to live your life because you don't have any self-esteem at that point you don't how could you because it could always be interpreted as pride or arrogance right and then those people with that trait are looked down upon no matter what like even if it was a humbled pride about something they created it was always looked down upon yeah yep so yeah that's do you think that changes like a like how certain you are about certain things so I'm trying to think how to say it but basically that that ability to be realistic and like your abilities because you humble yourself or you drop it down you drop your skills down before you even start I think it's I so you know I always which I would make the joke if somebody said you know oh you're so you're so pessimistic I would always just say oh I'm a realist but you know after reading this and thinking about it for a while I think it's pretty clear that I'm not a realist in any way at all I'm pessimistic in almost every every outlet every avenue and yeah it's had a pretty major impact because even things that have had a moderate success with you know my woodworking toys or whatever I just I attributed to dumb luck or you know not my own skill or my own talent and so because I don't believe man now they're really getting into it now that I'm really like talking this through so I have that conviction at the core of my belief that is a that is an unquestioned action like right that's how he talks about it he says that a belief is unquestioned actions without even thinking about it I already assume that I won't have any more success by adding more work because it wasn't my work that caused the success it was luck fate God karma whatever you want to call it right okay so how does how does being realistic play into our ventures so like how does that so you're able to say I asked a question and then I'm just gonna start talking but you're able to say that you're a pessimist and verbalize that for me I don't necessarily verbalize it I hold it in and I just like think through those things and then what I do say are like the positive things until it's it's no more so like I oh you know I I'm really good at like running yeah I really like it I've got all these plans and I've got this thing but in my head I know like hey I didn't run today and I'm not going to and then it'll just build up you know and it just keeps building up and then without saying anything it doesn't really get out there you know I don't say my actual beliefs on a certain subject it's just we'll be realistic with that later yeah so do you think that plays an apart or I had written down here about our professional decisions and our personal ones and we had talked about that a couple weeks ago about how they were different and it made me think about how like the same thing like I'm not realistic with my professional decisions I just like do it you know yeah but in my personal ones I'll just analyze them and not really do anything yeah I still don't I still have not been able to understand why I have such a drastic difference in the way I act at work and the way I act in my personal life I haven't been able to I just don't know because I'm I would say I'm much more optimistic at work with timelines and the amount of things that I can accomplish and the amount of responsibility that I take on I'm far more optimistic about what I can do there whereas when it comes to like a business venture I am not at all I'm super pessimistic and at work I know that if I work harder and I focus more I will get more done I will achieve greater things but that belief doesn't leave the office right I think for three and a half weeks now if we count this as half I mean we're not halfway through but yeah we've talked a lot about what we haven't done and what we're really bad at so I thought maybe we could talk about something that we're like super proud of and have completed because you talked about your your half marathon last week but we used it as or I should say we you used it as more or less like a good example but you also found like super negative things about it so I was thinking about this like I got to like halfway through the chapters before I the stuff I had to read today and I was thinking about like we should really talk about like some of the things we're proud of because if you listen to three weeks of this like we are some slugs yeah okay we don't do anything and yeah I might not be good at like some things but I spent a year and a half building a skin on frame canoe that pretty proud of so I would say that would be one of my things that I'm very proud of as far as what I've actually made and created and built and then the other thing would be the just our family you know like we're pretty close and we've we spend a lot of time together we are happiest when the four of us are in one room doing a very like activity my problem with that you know I'm gonna jump in with a negative but is that's what I'm trying to fix out here is being present within those times instead of trying to think of the next day is there something you're super proud of a couple things yeah I mean I've completed a few things in my day they just take me longer I guess but I mean I completely remodeled my first house I was a hundred and five years old I tore the entire upstairs down to bare studs and remodeled that I did facelift on the downstairs before I got rid of it I did the same thing in this house as soon as we moved in I've had some pretty major accomplishments in my work life that I'm super proud of some really big projects I'm not gonna go super deep into the technical stuff but things that you know I was at the time in the environment that I was in I was the only one that I could do it and managed to get it done on time I had a schedule and like you I'm really proud of my family I have raised so far to really well-adjusted kids that you know are for the most part are pretty good really good actually you know when they're not at home I guess we should guess as a sign of success they're good for other people I have a really hard time talking about myself man I rather than really thinking about this whole thing it's like I need to go back and redo this whole exercise because it's probably a lot deeper than I was pretty miserable doing it so he he talks about like some portion of this like creating a conviction and there's like four steps one is start with a basic belief to reinforce your belief by adding new and more powerful references three find a triggering event or create one and four take action this is where I dropped off honestly this is like even the exercise today and maybe it was because I was rushing or maybe it was just because I just know I have a hard time with a lot of this now saying like oh creative belief and create it like I know you and I talked about it a couple days ago we had the fortunate ability to be the two of us and talking because we had to real this this weekend but of just completing some things you know and maybe it's just like hey I need to run today like that's the complete like take action on it but the basic belief of it I don't know I don't know did you did you like it did you what do you think of that so some of these things I yeah I mean I feel like someone got a little like a little hokey and a little self-help me for me but overall I think there was a lot of good stuff in this chapter that I don't know even that how do you create a conviction thing I think is you know it sounds like a super basic principle but it's really it's really probably that easy you know if I start with the basic belief and so let me let me preface this as I was reading this chapter I was reading on the very the very beginning age 74 and he's talking about generalizations and he says you look down blah blah blah blah simply your experience of doors has provided enough references to create a sense of certainty that allows you to follow through without that sense of certainty we would be virtually virtually be unable to leave the house driver cars use to tell the one or do any of the dozen things we do in a day I read that passage and as soon as I saw the word sense of certainty and bold I had one thought kind of mind like it immediately I stopped I wrote it down and I wrote sense of certainty and underneath it I wrote I am certain that if I start a project I will fail or I will not finish I wrote like immediately so then I read six more lines and he says you may say why even try if I'm not going to follow through anyway and so so then I got to the exercise and you know I wrote that down as one of my disempowering beliefs and I think it's I think it's hokey but as simple as it is you start with the basic belief so I flip that on its end and I say I can finish the things that I start that's a basic belief right so reinforced belief by adding new and powerful references so you know I I just have to think back to the things that I did finish you know I finished my first house I finished at least the early remodeling of my second house I we had a challenge earlier in the year to see who could make the most money in the first six months and while I lost that challenge dramatically I did succeed in selling a thing that I made to someone I didn't know I finished half marathon like so those are those are like new and more powerful references and I think I think what I'm gonna do is I'm just gonna start keeping like a little list of things that I start and then finish and it's something that I can reference back to that I will when I get down and when I don't want to start something or when I feel like I'm not gonna be able to finish I can go back and look at this long list of things that I've actually accomplished and it's I don't know it sounds hokey but like none of this stuff is none of this stuff is rocket science like right so the trigger is where I don't really fully understand like I don't know but and think you about the finishing like I've always been hit with that like oh you never really finished stuff that you talk about or want to do and I could be really think like you and I are talkers and not negative sense but like if you and I had a conversation we get passionate about a certain subject so if we start talking about let's say photography and for two weeks you and I are talking about this actually happened for anybody listening but for like two to four weeks we were talking only about photography and how we'd like to try this and do this and do this and then it fades off it's not that we gave up or didn't finish that it's just that that wasn't for us we're triers you know like you like to try things that doesn't that's not an excuse for me to not run or not do the four things that I want to you know improve on and but it's just like I think sometimes people see that and then we start reading off of them saying oh you don't finish things you don't finish it's like come on now like we got multiple degrees I've been the military like I've finished something you've written five I think that's a good idea of the list like yeah yeah you finished a couple of those like right right yeah man it's yeah yeah and it's just easily mowed over you and downplayed all of that so no but you're 100 like you're 100 right I don't remember if it was in this chapter of the chapter before but I think he talked about how I wish I that's what I wish I would have written down is that like like didn't he talk about how beliefs are like a reflection of other people's opinions beliefs can be a reflection of other people's opinions maybe I was reading it doesn't matter you're interpreting other people's they do and allowing a belief to form based on those reactions and you're right you and I love to try new things and sometimes we don't ever try them we research the crap out of them and then we never do them because we realize it's too expensive it's too complicated it's not for us like whatever but we can have a conversation about it and yeah so so you're right people see that they see us quote unquote starting a lot of things say we never finish them eventually that becomes a belief in our head because the reality is we and I have both started and finished hundreds of projects over our lifetimes but why is it that but that not why we just talked about we just figured out why when he said sense of certainty the only thing I was certain of in my brain at that moment was that if I start something I won't finish it was just crazy like right yeah of all the things that I could be certain of that's what came to my mind and was so passionate in there that I had to write it down so oh I literally wrote the quote that I was just completely misquoted right below this beliefs are merely an interpretation of past experiences and past experiences can be conversations or other people's opinions any of those things so oh yeah I did make a little quote but that's what I was trying to get at and so ultimately this this exercise did you have anything else for that before we talk about the exercise at the end that you stuck out to you I downloaded that or I borrowed that book learned optimism that he read that he mentioned I'm gonna listen to that this week it's only 90 minutes so I'm curious to see so I started right now in the books he references yeah and I I got like overwhelmed to the point where because I mean you said oh that book he mentioned and I flipped the page and saw this I read a book called meetings with remarkable men and I was like he just mentioned so many what's the name of that one you said optimism because that's a subject that I'm I mean we've talked about it the last couple of weeks it's something that I'm really interested in because the stuff that he talks about and again we go back to the first one where he was talking about curing people with ADHD but you know when he's talking about the studies of pessimist versus optimist and how despite the optimist not being as good the first time around they eventually learned to master the skill while the pessimist always gave up like I've seen that play out with people in my life people who believe that they're better at things than they really are and I'm like oh you're not good at this you should definitely quit I quit because I wasn't good at it and they continued on none the wiser that they were terrible and now they're really good and yeah so if I can learn it I want to so in 90 minutes I'm gonna see what that guy has to say I to follow up with last week's episode I talked about the 10 books that I have on my my phone and all the content I was able to eliminate I was able to I did I just deleted all of those off my phone and just I don't want to say gave up but I just stopped consuming that way so I decided to go with podcasts that were more nonfiction also but comedic or comedy and just stories I guess you can call them I'm not sure what else you call them but getting away from that self help or other types of books that I became obsessed with yeah so probably good idea and I described the podcast today did a I don't know I call it elevator pitch that was talking to a cousin of mine and that's exact like as soon as I said hey I just consumed much of that and we decided to you know focus on one self-help book one that we knew was proven through just by looking at book sales and one chapter at a time and completing both people I was talking to just slowly not at their head as though like I was Robert Coltoni trying to convince them of something so we're not the only ones it was just kind of really interesting to see their reaction when I was telling them about it like hey I've consumed all these things now it's time to do something with it so so this this week this next week is my week of action I need to stop I mean we've done this for three weeks now this is fourth yeah it's just crazy which is awesome there's here's some work of leading right this is for more podcast than what we've ever completed it's also for more than I thought we would record for sure so yeah yeah talk about sense of certainty did it ever come to you like at a certain time of any of these that you would you like texting me like hey I don't want to do it tonight have you ever thought about that tonight for sure yeah I'm super I was the only night actually for me yeah like we were this week and go right back to work tomorrow and I'm super tired and I was like man yeah but I wasn't gonna be the one to say it if you would set it right to do it but I wasn't gonna be the one to bring it up so I the accountability there there's a lesson for everybody the accountability there like the sense of guilt of canceling on you was what made me pull my laptop out did you feel that with the half marathon that I wanted to quit yeah like or that you didn't quit because other people were doing it yes yes I did I thought more people were gonna do it so I was like I wanted to be there but by the end you know there were only a couple of us three of us that were doing it but yeah yeah once I knew like we got into that like last month home stretch and I knew that they were doing it I was there was no way I was gonna bail I wasn't gonna be the I wasn't gonna be the guy that the one who quit so so I quit if anybody didn't know figure that out or not but uh I the guys I was standing around that our co-workers and my boss when we at the finish of the race when you guys all ran past I was telling them like that's when you know a month and a half prior when you're like I'm done and and you get that like social like hey you should do it ha ha and then the making fun of it you can easily brush that off it's when you're standing there watching somebody else complete it yeah that's when it hits and so that's where it's like I got it I got to change my behavior on this and frankly I just got to stop talking about it and actually run so that's my goal this week is to take action with this stuff and what he hasn't talked about in here or like specific goals like we're talking about like beliefs and stuff do you think he's gonna talk about goals I think at some point he will but I think a big I think a big part of his like appeal to people is I mean we're essentially working from the ground up like we just talked about today I think that I didn't realize when I was doing this so I'm glad we're talking through it but like a conviction that's been held in me for my entire life that is limiting my behavior and actions going forward so until you can fix those like what good are goals right and to be open to the conversation I mean they'll be open to like say if it's not a specific you know that might be for your projects and your and some ventures but that doesn't overall change you know how you parent so there might be something that you're just now you're aware of yeah I guess so this sweet exercise hmm yeah I had a hard time with it I sat there staring at my page for a while before I wrote anything down and I wrote some stuff that I'm I'm not I'm still not at the stage where I'm comfortable enough like putting this on tape so right I'm not gonna share I was actually surprised when they came out for everybody listening at home let's just let's just give a description of the exercise right now stop everything you're doing take the next 10 minutes and have some fun I don't know why he thought this would be a fun exercise begin to brainstorm all the beliefs you have only take 10 those that empower you and disempower you little beliefs that didn't don't seem to matter at all and global beliefs that seem to make a big difference make sure you cover talks about if they believe single little beliefs and then he's got a full page spread for blank space to write it in but I struggle with writing on belief like I don't know if it was the setup or what but like to write down beliefs I don't know I wrote them down I wrote some stuff down but it was hard to say like I believe this yeah yeah I didn't phrase mine in that like that format but because I wrote down the same the same one from my you know the very first page that I just talked about that if I start a project I will not finish I also wrote down I don't think people can change that much about themselves this is under the disempowering beliefs obviously and I don't have the drive or motivation needed to be successful those are the only ones I'm willing to share because I did put on here I said the I need to or the disempowering is a belief that I need to always be looking forward and of course later on he talks about how you know to write like a we call that a counteracting belief to that disempowering belief and I wrote under that being present is being correct I don't know why I felt like being subtle there I don't know we got that's a little bit of like but yeah it's I'm always looking forward rather than just like hey what's going on right now yeah and I tried this morning I was thinking about it this morning so that the looking forward and trying to be present I was like okay I'm gonna take the date one hour at a time that lasted till I got the Starbucks and that was over like I never thought about it again that's pretty hard did you have a hard time coming up with which one was harder for you disempowering or empowering beliefs oh empowering I I listed out disempowering and I don't even know if I did it right I don't know you know that I said I did I need to always be looking forward I don't ever follow through with ideas I'm not ready to start a business those kind of those are three of them that I wrote down but I was easily just like boom boom boom on those and then empowering I was like I don't know yeah you're you're a cool guy I don't know right on here right yeah I did the same thing maybe that's more of the problem yeah it's definitely talk about like that's the optimism versus pessimism thing that's all of it like I yeah I was cranking those out no problem and at a certain point I was like okay like I have a blank half of the page on empowering beliefs I have to come up with something like right yeah yeah and then like you said there is times like when you write stuff down and in this and you and I talk about it off off record or I guess you call it or recording but there's certain things that will write down and do that it's just not something we share here or the path that's happening behind the scenes sometimes we just won't share here but it's a it's definitely opened up some conversations for me and then also really like seeing just more action more like these are nice but I don't know I don't know how to say it yeah I don't know this one was I don't know it sounds like you're kind of like this whole chapter you're just kind of like rushing it off is like not a big deal this one for me was like this one was kind of eye-opening like because I really sat and stared at that page for a long time and like some of the things that I believe at like a core level are poison I guess I don't really know any way that it other way to describe it and I would I'm yeah I think that's something I'm definitely gonna I'm gonna meditate on this week maybe while I'm running is thinking about those things and where those ideas come from because even the ones that I was willing to talk about those are all horrible like they're not they're not helping me in any way like believing that I can't be successful because I'm not motivated enough you know believing that people and that believing that people can't change is it also affects me because now because I believe that I can't change you know what I mean right it's not just other people like I believe that you know 10% like I've said this before maybe I've never said it to you but like this is the thing I said like bragadociously like people can only change 10% that's it you are who you are and that's it's not true it'll be like where did that come from I have numerous examples in my life of people who have made dramatic sweeping changes to their lives and yet I still believe that that's a thing you set 10 feet from one 10 feet from one yeah 10 feet from one yeah that's a yeah I guess it does sound like I'm being not sound like I am being pretty harsh on it and I guess it before it might be that I just I quickly read through it and I tried to do this before the I didn't want to you know not do something I had a bunch of notes up until now looking at them I had a ton of notes for the first like 10 pages of this and the last like 30 pages of chapter I've got three pages of notes a little like tiny pages so maybe I need to think like you said meditate on it think about it about those beliefs and what they are like what do I believe yeah that was an exercise that I said a long time ago what time this goes back to something you talk about a long time ago but sitting down and writing out what you believe on a certain subject yeah man that's I was just gonna bring that up like that's the thing that I said I wanted to do this year I wanted to you know on whatever subjects just a bunch of them and my plan was to do it on my hike my dad and I were gonna do a three-day through hike in southern Indiana and my plan was you know during that because you know like like 12 or 13 hours a day that leaves you a lot of time was to work through those ideas you know in front of a campfire but we ended up postponing that and I've sort of like brushed it off since said you know I'm not gonna do it now I'll wait until later but I think that's something I really want after reading this chapter and doing this little bit that's something I really want to work through just to be able to trace those ideas back you know just like we did with the one earlier in the episode you know that's a that's a thing I can trace directly to a root cause that now that I know where it came from I can start to work on it I guess yeah it and thinking about it too for me it's I get a cocky it's funny is I we talked about cockiness at the beginning and you say like or I said you know I don't like people that are cocky but I'm awful cocky when it comes to my own problems like I know what the problem is I know I don't run yeah it's because of this and it's like okay okay if you know what it is then why aren't you doing it or why haven't you defeated it you know how many times have we talked like oh oh see I haven't started a business yet because I'm just not ready for it oh really is that it you're literally the first girl from the Tony Robbins documentary right where she gets up and talks about like her diet and then it ends up being that she had a whole relationship with her father and like it's destroying everything about her life there's literally what you're doing right now you're just tying everything to run like there's probably something much bigger happening that you're just you just haven't found yet I'm definitely gonna run tomorrow so that's good that'll solve everything is if I don't this will be bad well you got me in I just read ahead because I was like oh let's just I was gonna like I didn't read like while we're talking I just read the chapter title and it's like we talked about a couple weeks ago this is a good way to do this book because it's just one chapter at a time absorb it even if I didn't even if I don't go back and do that exercise again it's just an easy way to to move on and do something else like he said at the beginning to is you don't have to use every tactic in the book so and even if you don't use it but now you're aware of it so when when stuff pops up and you have a thought you can say wait a minute why do I think that where did that come from right instead of just you know believing it yeah next chapter good and finding the source yeah yeah did you read the chapter because I I did read it till just now but so next week we got chapter 5 can change happen in an incident so that should be good yeah I'm excited for it I need to do my reading earlier in the week and then review it like the Saturday before is my plan this time because it seems like when I do that I have a little bit more ability to think things through yeah and articulate what I'm thinking definitely little on chapter this was pretty beefy oh it doesn't like it 20 pages all right well any closing thoughts anything else you want to add yeah I think this week is some deep thought and actions other than that I'm excited to move on yeah definitely what about you nope no nothing add I think if you're if you're reading the book I think that was a really good chapter definitely don't skip that one you know if you're gonna skip the first three then okay but chapter four is where you need to start digging in and really paying attention I agree all right man we'll talk to you next week see ya see ya