Cognitive Conversations #5: Ooh, ah, um, ouch! On speech pathology and the language of pain with Dr Jules Mead and Diane Clarke

In this episode of Cognitive Conversations, Bianca Millroy (SWN) is joined by Dr Jules Mead and Diane Clarke for a deep dive into how speech pathology informs dialogue in creative writing and the rather touchy subject of pain: why our human vocabulary seems to fall short of describing it, and why we find it so hard to answer “on a scale of one to ten, how much pain are you in?” In this fascinating interview, Jules and Diane share their expertise as creative and clinical practitioners, and how they came to specialise in paediatric pain and speech pathology.Dr Jules Mead (nee Richards) is a Nurse Practitioner who has worked with young people dealing with persistent pain for over twenty years. She has a PhD in creative writing, in which she explored the lived experience of young people with persistent pain through a fictional narrative. She is interested in transdisciplinary research and establishing links between the creative arts, education and health. Jules is passionate about advocating for young people with persistent pain and increasing awareness of their lived experience.Diane Clarke is a retired Brisbane-based Speech Pathologist, who migrated to Australia in 1996 from the UK. Diane specialised in working with children and adults with complex communication needs, alternative and augmentative communication and completed her career as State-Wide Advisor for the Queensland Health Medical Aids Subsidy Scheme. She is the author of two books, The Photograph and The Bracelet where she draws on her knowledge of communication to write authentic dialogue and character interaction.Diane’s latest novel, The Bracelet is being launched on Saturday 29 March 2025 at Chermside Library (Brisbane) and is available now. The Bracelet has been described as “a masterful family drama and murder mystery which explores themes of identity, inheritance and the impact of buried secrets.” (ooh, ah!) Connect with Diane via her author website and follow her on Instagram and Facebook. Register to attend the book launch via TryBooking. Jules’ debut novel Translating Emma is out in early April 2025. Check out Jules’ author website and connect on LinkedIn. This episode was recorded in-person at the State Library of Queensland on the Maiwar or Brisbane River on Kurilpa Point, Place of the Water Rat. Hosted, produced and edited by Bianca Millroy, PhD intern at Science Write Now.Enjoyed this episode? Share the SWN love!If you liked this episode, leave us a review and share it far and wide. Science Write Now is dedicated to accessibility, connectivity, inspiration and collaboration across disciplines. Our content is free to access and we want to keep it that way, so if you’re keen to be part of this growing community of creative writing inspired by science, hit subscribe!We’ll be back with another episode soon, and more conversations inspired by science and creativity to come!We acknowledge the Jaegara and Turrbal People, Traditional Owners of the land on which this podcast is created, and the unceded cultural lands on which our guests live and continue to make and tell stories.