Belonging, Abundance, and the Courage to Hope with Frances and Sean

In this special episode, hosts Sean Chow and Frances Lin turn the microphone on themselves. As they continue their journey toward General Assembly, they take time to share their stories, their friendship, and the experiences that have shaped their vision for the church. Sean and Frances reflect on their paths into ministry, from church planting and new worshiping communities to presbytery leadership. They discuss the risks, failures, and moments of faith that have formed them, and why they continue to believe that God is not finished with the church. Together they explore themes of abundance over scarcity, belonging over mere hospitality, and the importance of creating space for voices that are often overlooked. They share stories of congregations finding new ways forward, leaders taking courageous risks, immigrant communities seeking a place at the table, and the many signs of hope they see across the Presbyterian Church and beyond. This conversation is an invitation to look beyond anxiety and decline narratives and to trust that God is still at work—in small churches, innovative ministries, unexpected partnerships, and faithful people willing to step into the unknown.