Dan and Michael Never Could Have Been Contenders (feat. Justin Dang) | Competition, Hiring Hell, and Finance Club Hunger Games

Competition used to be for sports and maybe college admissions. Now it’s for internships, student clubs, networking coffee chats, LinkedIn visibility, and apparently sleep scores monitored by the national security state. This week on People Stuff, Michael and Dan are joined by Brown University senior and Product Management Club leader Justin Dang to talk about what happens when every institution starts operating like a tournament bracket. Along the way: A party argument escalates into a threat of violence. Dan explains why modern hiring systems have become ritualized suffering. Justin walks through the reality of tech and finance recruiting, where students apply to hundreds of jobs and spend months networking strategically. Michael argues that universities are now “clubs all the way down.” Oura Rings drift toward military-surveillance infrastructure. The Fourth Amendment gets aggressively workshopped. The episode explores a central question: if nobody actually knows how to identify the “best” people, why are modern institutions so obsessed with ranking everyone constantly? Also discussed: meritocracy theater, grade inflation, referral hiring, junior golf, exhausted student leaders, networking psychosis, and why finance clubs increasingly resemble tiny consulting firms run by sleep-deprived 20-year-olds. If modern life feels like one endless competition, this episode is for you. That’s it for this week’s People Stuff — the show where two anthropologists try (and sometimes fail) to make sense of people.If you’ve got a question, a dilemma, or just something deeply weird about humanity you’d like us to unpack, send it our way at people-stuff.com CreditsProduced by Gabe BullardMusic by The Endless BummerArt by Siobhan HeneganMarketing by Bryan HautLegal support by The Law Office of Matthew Shayefar, the one true business uncle.You can also sign up for our newsletter, drop us a voice memo, or become a Friend of People Stuff — which is our fancy way of saying you get to support the show and we get to keep talking about dust, dads, and late capitalism.So go to people-stuff.com