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EPISODE · Jul 22, 2025 · 1H 10M

Dan and Michael Refuse:Why We Say No — to Politics, Vaccines, and Tamales

from People Stuff · host Michael Scroggins, Dan Souleles

Timestamps:00:00 – Intro: What is People Stuff?02:00 – What Fresh Hell: Baseball cards, blind packs, and CT scanners08:00 – Question 1: Politics, podcasts, and the red-pill relationship20:00 – Question 2: Anti-vaxx cousins and the anthropology of purity and danger34:00 – Fixing Shit: How to fix college admissions (spoiler: lotteries)44:00 – Question 3: Food, family, and why your boyfriend refuses tamales56:00 – Outro: Fake sponsors & final thoughtsIn this episode, Dan and Michael discuss:Imagined Communities by Benedict AndersonUnderstanding Media by Marshall McLuhanAmusing Ourselves to Death by Neil PostmanPurity and Danger by Mary Douglas“Techniques of the Body” by Marcel MaussOutline of a Theory of Practice by Pierre BourdieuHuman Nature and Conduct by John DeweyAnd, the “Parkerization” of Wine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Parker_(wine_critic)#Impact_on_the_supply:_the_%22Parkerization%22_of_wine That’s it for this week’s People Stuff — the show where two anthropologists try (and sometimes fail) to make sense of people.If you’ve got a question, a dilemma, or just something deeply weird about humanity you’d like us to unpack, send it our way at people-stuff.com CreditsProduced by Gabe BullardMusic by The Endless BummerArt by Siobhan HeneganMarketing by Bryan HautLegal support by The Law Office of Matthew Shayefar, the one true business uncle.You can also sign up for our newsletter, drop us a voice memo, or become a Friend of People Stuff — which is our fancy way of saying you get to support the show and we get to keep talking about dust, dads, and late capitalism.So go to people-stuff.com

Dan and Michael dive deep into the art of refusal — from saying “no” to conversations, to food, to entire worldviews. They tackle listener questions on political red-pilling, vaccine hesitancy, and culinary snobbery, blending real anthropology with absurd humor and social critique. Along the way, you’ll hear about podcast epistemology, purity and danger, and why your boyfriend’s palate might just be a symptom of American decline. This week’s “What Fresh Hell” features the ethics of scanning baseball card boxes with CT machines (yes, that’s a real thing), and “Fixing Shit” takes on the college admissions racket. Join the People Stuff crew for a thoughtful, irreverent, and deeply human take on what happens when people just refuse.

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Timestamps:00:00 – Intro: What is People Stuff?02:00 – What Fresh Hell: Baseball cards, blind packs, and CT scanners08:00 – Question 1: Politics, podcasts, and the red-pill relationship20:00 – Question 2: Anti-vaxx cousins and the anthropology of...

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