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This is Pivot from the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher. I'm Scott Galway. What's going on this week?
This week, I wrote about a deepfake Pelosi thing. It's not really a deepfake. It was a lightfake, essentially. And I wrote a column saying it got all people all mad because they thought I was calling for the end of 2.30, which is remote immunity and stuff like that.
I wasn't. I was talking about, like, why did Facebook do this? So, honestly, YouTube just took it down. It was interesting.
They didn't get any reaction. They just made a decision. I think that's what it is. You just make a decision, and you make a good one, and then you act in the right way.
And other people thought that Varhad Manjivis today wrote novel forms of visual misinformation still pale in comparison with Fox News' full-time Hall of Mirrors, which, like, okay. Nancy Pelosi thought they should take it down. Hillary Clinton said it wasn't even a close call. The video was sexist trash, and YouTube picked it down, but Facebook kept it up.
Up or down, they should have handled it right, whatever they did. And now Twitter's trying to decide if white supremacists belong on the platform of a historian motherboard. So what do you think of all this, Scott Galloway? So this was an extraordinary week of lying for Facebook, even by Facebook standards.
And the first lie was when a spokesperson, you know, so they're sort of in the same business. Again, this is the Trump administration of digital. And that is, they hire people, and they say, look, in exchange for millions of dollars, we want you to take your reputation that you built your whole life and ruin it by lying repeatedly with a series of talking points that we'll provide you because we're under the impression that, for the most part, Facebook just generally believes that we're all fucking idiots. And so they send a spokesperson on CNN to speak to Anderson Cooper and say things like, well, we're not in the news business.
We're in the social media business. And we want consumers to decide what is the truth after acknowledging that this doctored photo that makes Nancy Pelosi look like an alcoholic or disabled is not, in fact, true. So it's like saying you and I are in the, I don't know, the sound engineering business, not on the podcast or the tech business. It's just such an incredible falsehood.
40% of Americans get their news from Facebook. There has never been an organization that is a bigger news organization than Facebook. I love pushback. Some love my column on this.
So the question is, are they a medium? Are they a tech company? Are they what? And so I think one of their issues was like, look, we don't take them down just because they're wrong.
How can we differentiate? There's lots of Trump versions of this, not quite so obviously done for propaganda. And some of them are satire. So what's the difference between satire and propaganda?
It reminds me of the Supreme Court decision. I don't know. I can't define porn, but I know what it is kind of thing. Oh, I know what that is here.
If you need help, I know what that is. Okay, thank you. In any case, what do you do if you're them? I mean, if you're going to be nice to them, you'll say this is a really difficult problem that they face.
No, it's not. No, it's not. Okay, tell me why. I'm going to be them.
It's like, this is a really difficult problem that we face and we are trying our best and we don't take down false things and we label it. They label it badly. Let me just say they label it badly. So what would you have to do?
Because they have to take a lot off. I'd have to do it with thousands of organizations around the world do every day with a fraction of the cash flow. And I would imply good judgment and it's incredible. The greatest human, the greatest processor in the history of mankind, the greatest artificial intelligence.
It's called the brain and discretion. When you are a media company, you have a special role in our society. They don't think you're a media company. Yeah, but enough already.
They are. It might be a new kind of media company. Okay, does that abdicate them from response? No, I don't know.
I just think we have to think about it. Billion dollars in original content. The majority of Americans now get their news from social media. They run content against their consumers and they run advertising against them.
There has never been an organization in the history of mankind that is more of a media company. And they have to do with the rest of media companies. That is make discretionary calls. So satire is satire.
So if you show Nancy Pelosi in bad plastic surgery, which media companies do all the time, okay, that's satire. She's a public figure. She deserves and is open to being mocked. When you fool people into believing that the third most powerful person in the nation is in fact impaired or drunk, you make another judgment call and that is to take it down.
And this organization keeps defaulting to this notion of we aren't a media company. Or now they're saying we aren't a news company such that they can let chaos reign and not accept responsibility. But I'm going to actually ask a question. What about Farhad Manju's question about small issues with Facebook when Fox is doing this all the time?
Fox did a similar thing, edited a video of Nancy Pelosi and make her look crazy. So it started off and Nancy Pelosi's crazy meme on a cable network and there were no repercussions for them. So I think it's a fair question, but I think Fox has essentially added itself as someone that is very anti-liberal. It's a conservative network.
They have a media point of view. And the point of view of Facebook is that we want to have absolutely no input or no discretion or accept no responsibility so that we can have more and more shabani ads because white nationalists eat ogre. And I don't think that works for a media company. I think you have to take a stand to be clear on your editorial stand because I think it's Fox with a certain stand.
I don't want to say people expect it, but people know what's going on there the same way they know a little bit what's going on. Even if they do false videos. Oh, I think that crosses the line. And I think, again, the key to all of this is that with media, we place on top of these decisions that something requires nuance, something requires a human.
And what tech has been able to do is replace humans with technology and they're paying the price. And what they need to do is reinvest some of that unbelievable gargantuan, you know, supernova profitability back into that human discretion. It'd be good for employment. It might be bad for shareholders, but it would be good for employment and it would be good for society.
And they refuse to make the requisite investments despite some of the incredible harm that's taking place because they refuse to invest in that nuance that every other media company has invested in. Uh-huh. Don't you think? No?
Yes. It's an interesting question. When I wrote, a lot of people, someone wrote Karis, which is wrong, and they're like, I'm scared to say it and start with this crazy lead about how I made them drink coffee, which was okay, whatever. I can't wait to adults drink things.
So one of the things was that if they start making decisions, they can start doing on religious stuff, they can start doing other speech, you don't want Mark in charge of this. And it damages the free open internet if they are responsible for this, including with Section 230. So it's got to be dealt with. And I think smart people should sit around and talk about it.
Interestingly, I was in an event last night. And us. And us. I was in an event last night at this fancy house called the Meridian House.
It was like a gorgeous home, one of these Washington D.C. homes. And it's some sort of organization that helps the State Department with foreign... Anyway, someone got up.
Someone worked for a tech company, I might say which one. It was like, how can you make all these tech people seem like villains? And I was like, we're seeing the celebrities forever. Like, isn't it going to hurt innovation?
Shouldn't we let them do whatever we want? Another person was like, shouldn't we let them do whatever we want so we get the benefits? And it was really, it was fascinating for people to do that. So that leads into Twitter trying to decide whether white supremacists belong on this platform.
There's a new platform called Parlay. They're just not even what they call it. People call it different things. But what do you think Twitter should do?
Make a decision like that or just let it go? Yeah, I think that we have been co-opted into the notion that this is really hard or near impossible because of their scale. And again, these guys can do it. And actually Twitter has done a decent job.
If you report abuse on Twitter, I think they do, you know, not a perfect job. I think they're making a good faith effort and I'm kind of loathe to give Twitter any credit here. But I think they do. If you do report abuse, something happens.
You can block people. I've had problems with it. Have you? Yeah.
But the amount, Facebook's power, the fact that they now are, they are now speculating or proposing an encrypted backbone such that they can fully throw up arms and say we're not responsible and have one kind of broken sociopath decide the algorithms that go privately without any supervision, the algorithms to communicate to 2.7 billion people. And media is, media is basically incredibly informal and the notion they can't figure it out like every other media company has done throughout history, even if they have a bias. The Wall Street Journal has a bias. It's impossible to have humans and not have a bias.
But we also get a certain level of discretion where you can say, okay, this is clearly false. They clearly have negative ramifications. They're not going to lie. They're not the town square.
They don't need to comply with the First Amendment. And yes, they have to make the same hard decisions everyone makes every day at work around close calls. So this notion that it's, again, we're not talking about the realm of the possible, we're talking about the realm of the profitable. And they decided to communicate a narrative that said it would be impossible or all this hand-wringing or mental anguish.
No, it's not. Media companies get it wrong all the time. But they try and they get it mostly right most of the time. And Facebook needs to start getting it mostly right most of the time.
And it's going to be one thing and one thing only. It's going to be expensive. And the investment and whatever hit the earnings take will be a fraction of the upside we'll get from not having an organization that spins up violence, that communicates hate, that depresses our teens. And your article is exactly right.
They should be subject to the same scrutiny as every other media company. For some reason, we decide, oh no. And again, the spokesman says, we're not a news corporation or social media. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting.
It's so hard for me to say these things. I mean, that's the thing. It's like, it's gone too far and you do decide what your business is. Are you going to be a business where all the monsters go to E or not?
Like, are you going to have to? I'd like to go there. Isn't that Luger's Stakes? Yeah, there's several of them.
Anyway, it's fine. So live two and three while we're on Facebook line. So the new narrative from Charles Hamburg is that only a company of their scale can solve these problems. And the problem is it's the scale that created the problem.
And that is, this organization has so much reach and has so much commentary and so much content that it's gotten away from them. So it's not scale is going to help them solve the problem. Scale is the thing that caused the problem. And then my favorite lie that every organization switches to when they realize the regulators are catching up to the damage they're doing.
They're making the Chinese xenophobic argument. Oh, Chinese AI weaponized Chinese companies are coming for us. And guess what? eBay was able to push back on Chinese companies when they spun PayPal.
The telco monopoly that was AT&T was more able to push back on Vodafone and NTT when they split up into 11 companies. The notion that one big company is needed, the only argument you can make is capital. And any of those companies, whether it's Instagram, whether it's WhatsApp, it would be spun, it would be more nimble, more innovative, in my view, more ethical because it would be forced to see the competition and they would not have any trouble finding the requisite capital to push back on WeChat or all the Chinese AI warriors that Mark Zuckerberg and Charles Sandberg are trying to convince us are coming for our children. It's just three lies in seven days.
Facebook, you're on a roll. All right, then. All right, speaking of difficult social issues, Netflix and Disney this week talked about if this Georgia abortion law goes in effect they're going to pull their investments and a lot of people are in the business boycotts don't work. We're going to have Stacey Abrams at the co-conference next week along with you and she's like this that often doesn't hit the right people.
So, you know, Bob Iger literally this morning just said the same thing like we're not going to be able to work there if this long has an effect. Same thing with Netflix. Others will probably say the same thing. Just today, Mark Benioff, Salesforce has said they're not going to help companies that sell automatic weapons with their software really wading into all kinds of issues with tech and media companies.
Thoughts? You know, it's a tough one. I'll ask you to go first because I find this is a tough one. What do you think here?
Do you think this works? Do you think these boycotts work? Does this boycott some regions? I don't know.
It sends a signal. It definitely sends a signal. I guess, of course, it may affect the wrong people but people get affected but it's sort of like anything else. It's difficult to decide who is more.
My son this week was trying to get the idea behind transgender athletes competing with women and this topic and I was like anywhere you go someone gets hit in whatever choice you make and so we were debating that and I was like I can't even know what to decide in this case and so what was interesting here is that if you hit the wrong people does it matter? I think probably you do hit the wrong people more than the right people but at the same time it doesn't send a signal to Disney if Netflix if Amazon doesn't locate there. It says we don't want to do business with you all. This is an important thing to us and I think it's the same thing as you're on Facebook because what kind of company do we want to be?
What kind of choices do we want to make? What do we want to build? And I think that's a very legitimate like what do we want to put on Rico? I think I don't want to put that.
I make choices like that. I don't want to put that anymore but like that and you do the same thing. Who do I want to work for? Who do I not want to work for?
And so I think it'll probably have an impact because a lot of people are thrilled with this new abortion law in Georgia and they maybe won't go see Endgame or probably won't. These movies are great but I think CEOs have to make choices and today I think it's impossible now not to. Yeah we found this in Indiana when they started talking about when it was Pence and gay conversion therapy is a legitimate program to stem. I mean there's just so much crazy shit from so many crazy states and then companies say all right that's it we're done and I don't think there's any evidence that's effective.
It's a little bit of virtue signaling from the company. I think the time to make these threats was much earlier to say look if this goes through because at the end of the day voters don't like being told by those damn Yankees or those people in Hollywood with how they should vote and it feels to me like when you're talking about something as valuable as a family planning and a woman's right to choose this is supposedly settled law and it means that we need to be down there and educating voters and we need to be supporting Planned Parenthood. So that's what we should be doing. Well I don't know I just wonder does Netflix does any Georgia voter really change their mind because Netflix that's not going to fill Disney's a bigger thing Disney's you know as you know it's popular among everybody it's a really hard question it's a really difficult question I do think they can't avoid it and certainly if they do film there they have to deal with their employees or look what Emma Thompson did around Pixar I'm not going to work I'm quitting and she had a really good interview and I'm saying look I know other people can't say what I can say because I can get another job but you know I do think it matters when people speak up and especially like a Bob Iger it's a really interesting I just think it says something and it puts a line in the sand for sure on this issue and it raises awareness for example I was thinking about taking my 8 and 11 year olds to what is supposed to be the world's largest and most impressive aquarium in Atlanta and it actually gave me pause should I not be should I not be taking my kids and my dollars to Georgia in this period and you're right it puts it into the news cycle it's important I don't know how effective it is although I will say I do think there's a shareholder reason to get much more woke all the money is going you talked about this well conservatives are over representing government they're controlling government 70 to 100 senators come from 20% of the population mostly in the middle of the red states but all the money is flowing to the cities it's flowing to young tech enabled information workers or college graduates and show me those things and I'll show you blue so you know part of the reason one of the problems of income inequality is around all the money is kind of aggregating to a smaller and smaller cohort but whereas it used to be the rich people with these rich old white guy Republicans now it's kind of young white Democrats they're gathering all of the kind of disposable income I mean why can't a company who share prices at 300% as a 30 year old who's made more than a million bucks I'm going to share a company that's 80% plus Democrat so companies are finding their woke values because that's where all the money is so this is you have to respond to employees there's no question yeah it's just changing and companies are taking more political stands but you know you and I both love Bob Icker so right on brother I think he's like at the point where like me and my cashmere ways are just going to do whatever I feel like I wish he's my cashmere ways I like that I like that I call him Mr.
Cashmere he's like why do you keep calling me that I'm like support for the show comes from Odoo running a business is hard enough so why make it harder with a dozen different apps that don't talk to each other introducing Odoo it's the only business software you'll ever need it's an all-in-one fully integrated platform that makes your work easier CRM, accounting, inventory, e-commerce and more and the best part Odoo replaces multiple expensive platforms for a fraction of the cost that's why over thousands of businesses have made the switch so why not you try Odoo for free at odoo.com that's O-D-O-O.com all right so wins and fails Scott she's doing the giving pledge although I just interviewed and he was talking about the idea of just taxing rich people and not letting them give money the giving pledge is a little different I think it depends on how they give it away and I don't think he thinks all charity is wrong he just thinks the way charity is done by very wealthy especially tax people is problematic essentially they get to make money any way they want including damaging ways and then they get to give it away any way they want and so we sort of give them a pass just like the Sacklers with opias and things like that so just taxing them is his thing but nonetheless this is an enormous amount of money and if it's done correctly I think there could be great but what do you think well it's hard to be critical of someone who pledges to give away money that's the point he makes he can't be critical yeah but it really is I mean there's different forms of giving but what was most interesting about that announcement was the bigger story in the media wasn't that she had signed it what was the biggest story it was that her husband had not yes that's what everyone was focused on he hadn't done it and I Anon, I did listen to your podcast, Anon, which I thought was great. And I'm sorry about Anon, but I call it the Pablo Escobar effect. And that's Pablo, after wreaking terror on a nation and killing civilians and creating a culture of violence and crime, he would build parks. And then he would fund the local soccer team.
And is, in fact, philanthropy a means of kind of, you know, ointment for, is it a news warrant for the people who didn't behave appropriately to get those billions? Is it a news warrant for bad activity where people ever do? You know, I think of one venture capitalist who's constantly talking about helping, you know, young girls code and talking about, you know, barks at the moon at night and then shits in the well all day long. And it's just, how do we have a series of people?
Is the American way, be as rapacious as possible, and then try and the ointment is philanthropy. It's really, it's really interesting. And to a certain extent, and as I mentioned last week, it was capitalism versus socialism. No joke, we got on Fox.
Oh, really? Can you believe that? Spoiler alert. I think capitalism is going to win on Fox.
Anyways, and I'm digressing here. But last week I went on Fox and they come on and introduced me to the socialist. But you know what's socialism? Philanthropy is socialism because it's tax deductible.
Philanthropy is consumption. I know you're a socialist. Well, I didn't know either, but according to Fox, I am. Anyways, so, okay, so what is socialist?
The tax deductibility of philanthropy is consumption. It should not be tax deductible. Social security, in my opinion. I'm on the same.
I have decided where every major economic activity and tax rate, our entire tax system and economy is designed around one thing, and that is to take money from every single cohort, whether it's millennials, whether it's African-Americans, whether it's women. It's to take money from every single cohort and transfer it to baby boomers. Mortgage tax deduction, who owns homes? Baby boomers.
Capital gains tax deduction, who owns homes? Baby boomers. Artificially suppressing interest rates. Unsustainable social security.
Barring against the future to pay for these social programs that aren't meant to help the poor, but make it such that you can upgrade from a princess cruise to a silver sea cruise because you're getting social security when you goddamn don't need it. Baby boomers. Literally, Tom Brokaw talks about the greatest generation, the greatest generation, hands down in the history of mankind, U.S. baby boomers.
I love a good rant from Scott. Oh, he's got what was a win then? What was a win then? What was a win?
Okay, so it's a little bit old, but both Cheddar and Quartz got sold. Went for, I think, 120 million. Quartz is like 100 years ago, right? Yeah, it was a while ago.
A few weeks ago. I'm slow. I'm just getting caught up. Okay, I got sold.
By the way, have you seen this new show called Cheers? It's so cute. Oh, my God. It's so cute.
And my latest show, Everyone Loves Raymond. Anyways, these guys got sold. I like when startups get sold and they do okay and, you know, don't necessarily have to be, you know, $12 billion exits. So, like, cheers to Cheddar and Accords for getting sold.
I think it's a good outcome. We've entered an economy where it's either usually you get beamed in the face and go down in a ball of flames or you become a unicorn and we're worth billions of dollars. I like kind of what I call these, you know, these triples. So, congrats to both of them.
All right, that's a good one. All right, now, fails. I'm going to start with fails. I think this is covering up with John McCain.
It's yet another story. It's like everyone's like a distraction. I'm like, it's awful. Explain to the fans what happened here.
What happened? It's like someone in the White House sent a memo to the military to cover up that John McCain is a giant destroyer. I don't know what kind of boat it is. It's a big boat.
It's a big ship that the Navy has. And it's for his father, his grandfather, and him, I think. And so it has the name of the people who serve on it, have their names on their uniforms. And the boat was in Japan where President Trump was visiting.
And apparently, some of the White House said, we can't have to see anywhere Trump is, like he doesn't want to be within his vision or something like that. So they used a tarp at first and then they gave all the McCain crew members the day off so that he wouldn't see. And then some of them tried to get into the event with President Trump and they weren't allowed because they couldn't possibly see the name of the McCain without going crazy. And so he was denying that he did.
He never thought it was awful, for one, and never apologized for it. And then he also said, well, the person who did it was well-meaning. And the fact that these minions would, you know, preemptively deal with their baby Huey tantrum of a boss was astonishing. And then, of course, it got tons of...
It was hard to hide. The Navy was like, social media exists and pictures go viral. You can't hide this. But the fact that the Navy was being pulled into this political ridiculousness was just sad.
That is sad. That is sad. So my fail is... My dad was in the Navy, by the way.
What did you do in the Navy? He's dead, but he was a lieutenant. Oh, I forgot. Whatever, he was a doctor.
He was a doctor in the Navy. Yeah, he put him through school. He wasn't going to have a lot of money, and so we put him through college and medical school, and then he served until he died just after he got out in his early 30s. So he loved the Navy.
He was a great Navy. I just have a lot of... I wanted to be in the Navy. But anyway...
He wanted to be in the Navy. And your father passed away in his 30s. Yes, he did. So lots of unpacked.
Yes, thank you. We'll talk about that later over drinks. Anyway, so... My father was in the Royal Navy.
He was a frogman. Really? Yeah. Wait, are you English?
Yeah, well, I used to be a dual citizen, which explains my incredible wit and humor and terrible design tastes and lack of cooking skills. But anyways, both my parents are British. You know, you need to have more in our relationship. I can't believe you didn't know that.
You know what? We're going out next week. We're going to talk about all this. You always say that.
You always say you're taking me out, and you never do. I'm going to your book party. I hate book parties. I'm going to your book party.
I know. It's going to be awesome. I'm going to stay in New York longer to go to your book party. Yeah, I appreciate that.
Literally, dozens and dozens of my fans are going out. And then you can do your fail. Scott's book is what? It's number 13 on the Apple bestsellers list.
Not number 14. Not number 14. Lucky 13. All right, talk about a weak flex.
Algebra of happiness. It is not a calculus of happiness. It is not a trigonometry of happiness. How many people roll to the door and say to the kids, the big dog's number 13 today?
I'm number 13. Oh, man. I'm number 13. That's typically to get, you know, when I'm about to have sex.
Oh, no. You hate to talk about this. You know what I yell out to put my partner in the mood? You know what I yell out?
It's time to pay the rent. All right, now. Just to get everyone in the mood. Scott, yeah, yeah.
What's your fail? What is your other fail? My other fail. Number 13.
Hearing you say that, it's like, that's what I have in my life. I'm number 13. And by the way, you know these bestseller lists? They sell it in so many ways.
It's like hardcover nonfiction from an angry professor who eats at Chipotle. And I'm number 13. Anyways, my fail is the ARC fund. This is my new whipping boy, of course, is WeWork.
They've raised $2.7 billion. You know about $4.5 billion of that is salary money, by the way. Oh, great. Couldn't have that in those people.
They're now buying the building that they rent the floor in. So they started an investment fund. And it's really unusual. I'm fascinated by the WeWork model.
Because most hedge funds go out of business because they invest long. They invest in assets that are illiquid. And then they borrow short. And that is their investors can pull out their money any time.
And they end up in a mismatch. And that's what's going to happen with WeWork. And that's my prediction here, is that they sign 10-year leases. And they try and arbit with short-term rental rates that are greater.
Similar to what you do in a hotel room, where 365 days of a hotel room, and I'm parodying the article in Recode, is greater than the cost of rent a similar apartment. But what happens when, through a recession, when people stop renting or going into these things, and they look at this just horrific balance sheet? This company could literally. Someone's going to die.
It's going to be ugly. And then the other thing that happened, last week we talked about our pretty big prediction about Tesla coming undone. I usually, whenever I mention Tesla, the fanboys come out. I'm adjacent to you.
It's horrible. They're so angry at you. And people are so passionate about this company. And this is the first time where I was critical of Tesla.
And the majority of the comments were, no, the stock isn't going below 100 bucks. The company's not going to get sold, which is the prediction. Yeah, that was a lot of discussion. They said, a lot of people wrote me very thought of a article saying, this company's going bankrupt because it's got $11 billion in debt.
And when you add in the liabilities around the warranties, that this company, if it gets into a debt spiral, won't be worth the debt. And it'll come out of a pre-pack bankruptcy. It's such a big car. It is a great car.
It's really interesting. So you think it's going to go bankrupt this year this week? No, I don't know. I still know.
I think there's real value. I think even with $11 billion in debt, there's tremendous value. And I also want to acknowledge, Tesla's been good for the world. It's sort of, he's checked that box.
It's been a great thing for the world. But I just think economically, at the end of the day, they've been metal. Terrible industry to be in. Very hard for an independent player.
It's like single-time publishing. You can have an amazing magazine. You can be whatever it is. Vanity fear couldn't survive on its own right now.
It just doesn't work. The industry dynamics don't work. And it's the same industry dynamics here. And I think you're going to see the Germans catch up in a big way.
But my point is, I got a lot of really thoughtful feedback from people talking about balance sheets. Did Elon call you? I have not heard from the Big E. And something tells me I'm not going to.
I might. I don't know. I haven't looked at my email. Yeah.
Yeah, you know him. I do. I do. He's fascinating.
Although, you know who I want to roll with? And by the way, he does think this is a survival of a good podcast. I've talked about this a lot. The survival of companies like Tesla.
He said Tesla in particular is critical to plan. I think he has a, I mean, people have all kinds of opinions about him, but I do think he really is, you know, is linked to climate change, is linked to a lot of things. So whatever you think of him, I think he's not something significant here. New part of, new segment on the show, Tara, before we go.
And it's called, he's got one to roll with. I mentioned, no joke, about six months on this podcast that I wanted to roll with the CEO of a big tech company in Coachella. And they called my bluff and they said, you know, someone wants to meet him in Coachella. And I freaked out.
I just couldn't handle the pressure. I'm not going to tell you. I just freaked out. But so I got to aim lower.
So the guy I want to roll with, and if he's out there and anybody knows him, I'm going to take him out in New York. I think he and I would just slay in New York. I don't even know his name. Gary from Veep.
I want to roll with that guy. Oh, I know him. I think that guy is one of the best actors. He was also in Arrested Development.
That guy, let me think. What's the word, Tara? He's a gangster. That guy's a gangster.
He's a longtime actor. He's fantastic. He was on one of my... I think him and me and Lasquina, a few Don Julio's on The Rocks.
And Lizzo, right? That's Gary. And who's that? Oh, that's that ugly, angry professor.
Boom! Boom. Keep an advice on me. Predictions is not going to happen.
That's my prediction. So go ahead. What is your prediction? So you're into power couples.
I see you heard that Stuart Butterfield, Slack, and Jen Rubio, the co-founder of Way, are getting married. I wrote a lovely note about it. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on.
What? Yes. Stuart and Jen, they're getting married. They did a whole thing.
Wait, hold on. The CEO of Slack and the CEO of Way are getting married? Oh, God. That's awful.
Jesus Christ. They're lovely people. Oh, my God. I don't know them.
I hope it just explodes. No, it's not. They're lovely people. People that successful should not have children.
In any case, that's what it is. That's awful. Yeah. That's actually the finer people just appropriate, what I say.
All right. What's your prediction? What's my prediction? So my prediction is a breakout show, and this is, you know, I love television.
I have a new breakout show. Okay. So I spotted Killing Eve. I said Killing Eve was going to be here.
The next big thing is this amazing show called Fleabag. Oh, right. You love that show. It's a great show.
Next big thing. All right. Fleabag. You like Killing Eve.
It turns out they're lesbians, right? That's all things. Whatever. You said I like the bad thing.
I'm totally into lesbians. You know what kind of person is really into lesbians? Men. Men.
I got a lot of questions, Kira. That's an entirely different show, but I got a lot of questions. Yes, you're going to meet my lovely girlfriend at your book party. You are.
Yes, I'm going to bring her. You're going to be very nice. I think I met her at Stop by Stop. Yes, I think so.
And you're going to meet her again, and you'll see. Yeah, she seemed very nice. So you can talk to her about lesbians if you want, if you feel like. I'm in.
I got a lot of questions. A few drinks, open bar. This could get interesting. You have no answers for you.
Just say no. No, it doesn't get interesting. It's dull. The lesbians have to endure it so much.
Anyhow, we'll try our hardest to try to talk to you. Cinemax has taught me different. Cinemax makes it seem very interesting. Every time you go to a good place, you go to a bad place.
It's just like super. I am who I am. Okay. All right.
Love me, Kira. We're going to go now. All right. Have fun with your son's poetry reading.
Poetry reading, and my son's going to prom. My other son's going to prom next week. There's all kinds of school things. So it's very exciting.
So talking about prom, did you have a date? Did they take a date? Did they still have a date? Does he have a date for prom?
Did they not do that now? Of course, he does. They have a bus. They have a bus that goes.
And they have a picture taking a bus, and they stay over one of the parents' houses. And they all stay together. That's nice. So they don't drive and drink or whatever the heck they do.
Anyway, he's very excited. He has a beautiful jacket. And I got my other son a beautiful jacket for his day to graduate. So I'm deep into moments with my sons.
Anyway. These are the moments. These are the days of moments. Sarah, we're still a grandstand.
I'm doing a Kodak commercial. We're still a grandstand on the LinkedIn and the Coffin members. But this link matters. Prom matters, Sarah.
All right. I'll make sure I take a lot of pictures for you. Anyway, Camila Salazar directed Pivot this week. She's new to us.
Welcome, Camila. Nishat Kerwa is the show's executive producer. Thanks also to Eric Johnson. Thanks for listening to Pivot from Box Media.
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