Snapping on the track like the Illy's conductor, with no contradiction I brought my thought to the table, fact in never fiction, for f***er f***er f***er f***er f***er f***er f***er f***er already in Willy, do better believe that I'm able to spit fire through these lines, fast it and fire by up to cable and gone. That's the sh***er I'll be on. That's what I love doing. That's the hip I love.
And guess what? I also love to turn f*** up and have fun too. Do what you love. F*** your wife.
My wife. I'll be honest with you dude. What, your rusty? We having fun.
No, no. I feel good, your rusty. I'm a professional. And I will show up.
No, I was gonna say I'm I hope it involves the intro podcast. Okay What was that? The third base guy that goes waves people into home. What was that?
We're at the high mat I'm not Dave. How I'm like, we're at the high maneuver here in Hollywood, California I bring him in we're in German a segue David say something say we're at right now. It's a nice place. Oh my god This is a high mat.
This is a Nice little members only gym club super nice space. So we're nice enough to give us their private. I don't like this Inaudible Screaming like thank you. Yeah, welcome to high The gave us a spot to shoot the puck as that.
Yeah, it's fantastic. We worked out right before this It's an absolute elliptical proud of you for doing get physical Mike and I have to be honest with you I need to be inspired today. Yeah, I want to be inspired. Yeah.
Thanks George I just feel like our guest that is arriving shortly is like an inspiring guy like I've seen him on TV like being inspiring saying I The number one podcast in the world thank you guys for listening watching viewing and subscribing if you have not subscribed yet Please hit that subscribe button as far as I know at the time of recording this podcast. I don't know this We are very close to four million subscribers. Whoa, let's go. Yeah, very like probably 30,000 way I counted for that in my math.
Oh, you think we're still not gonna be there I think we're I think my guess is we're gonna be like 20k away by the time this episode comes out Wow Yeah, it's a big deal so four million subscribers. We do love you guys. Thank you for listening to us. Uh, is our guest here?
Sorry guys logic So If you want to say make sure you like or subscribe, I don't know I just want everybody know he came in and shook everyone's hand every one of gentlemen. That's what I'm saying He's that kind of guy just just for clarity. He brought entourage with him. He brought like 30 40 people They're still coming in the door.
Yeah, there was a lady that showed up here 40 minutes ago She's like I'm here for logic. Just want to make sure we know exactly where to go. You're serious Sorry, I'm late my wife got a car accident. I've been dealing with a bunch of shit.
Are you okay? Okay, everything's fine. It's a solidics like not even excuse their salary not really my girls are possible right now So you were later left here at the hospital. Wait, also hold on you seven minutes late man Actually, I was an hour early where were you hanging out?
I was in that fucking room like this whole time like but then I had to talk to my wife. She's okay. She's fine You're cool guy man. I try to get your water.
Yeah, well not water. Yeah prime. Can I have some water? Thank you so much for having me dude.
Thanks. I'm hype. Thank you. Thank you guys.
This is done very jealous of your Of your beer going capability. Oh, I appreciate that. It comes with consequences. T.
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That's funny That's a good one. Can you grow beard? Yeah, no, no, no if I grow facial hair I look like a fucking rapist and it's really yeah, that would stop like it's not even thank you very much. Thank you I appreciate it.
I think he's a gentleman. I feel like a fucking asshole because he walked in my room and I was like in the middle of a Conversation and I was like yo, I'm sorry and I shook his hand but I was like I'm in the middle of a conversation No, no, I'm just like yo, I have to finish this conversation. You have the air positive? No, no, I was talking to a human He doesn't know that is he tried to interrupt the conversation.
No, he was doing his fucking job He was like it's time to go and I was like I feel you put on my finger my conversation I love what you doing though. No, but he said what he said was smooth. You know, yeah Like hey, it's water man Shit, I wrote an intro for you. Do you want to hear it?
What do you mean like to introduce me? Our guest today is one of the most successful rappers our generation He's got a new album out called vinyl days and he started co-headlining for the whiskey leaving He's also the proud dad of two year old boy. Please welcome logic Bobby. I'm glad Thank you, man.
That's very sweet. I feel like I'm holding this water. We're I fucking have recorded so many songs on these myses these SM7's Michael Jackson recorded really yeah, you said the same thing just now cool. Wow Amazing I'm so happy to be here though.
It's it's gonna be an interesting vibe I wear a little rusty. We're coming off like a month of not filming and so and so you know this offers pockets back and in the same vein Actually, so you retired for basically the amount of time that I did. Yes Really retired by the way, I did but it was like a Yeah, your 20s 20s are weird 20s is like a time you're trying to find find yourself and you know I got a line on a song that's not even out yet But I said something that uh acceptance is a drug in my 20s I was O'Dene and it's like it's a real thing you want to be accepted you want to be loved by everybody especially as artists and creatives like do We want to be loved by everybody and that's just not realistic and once I finally came to terms with that and understood that Um, I was ready to kind of get the fuck out of the I can cuss right? Yeah, okay, pussy I was I just ready to get the fuck out of like all the bullshit.
I just wanted to raise my boy Yeah, and while I was doing that I was making a lot of music so then I was like well obviously I'm still making music cuz it's therapeutic And I love it. So what's going on here? And then I realized what I really wanted to retire from or kind of in a sense have which is the bullshit of the internet Just the negative comments in the the world of enough, you know, not good enough Black enough rich enough this enough that enough dope it whatever the fuck enough is and I looked in the in the mirror and said not only Have I had enough I am enough and then I was like I'm back these final days There it is was that desire to be accepted something that you can trace back to your personal like prior to being an artist Like was that something that you struggled with like a lot of people did like do their whole lives Yeah, but it wasn't like it wasn't like Jack Harlow like in school like all the girls didn't really fuck me like that Like that it wasn't like that. I'll search out Jack Harlow look at this at home What I'm saying is it was like my mother You know what I'm saying and like my dad and the neglect and growing up in a household of like both of my parents being crack Atix and alcoholics and drug addicts and my mother was a prostitute and my brother sold drugs to our dad and wearing gangs and shot Did some shit I ain't gonna say on camera and XYZ like that's that was a difficult thing and not having that acceptance or a stable Foundation from my own parents was very difficult the easy part was being accepted, you know being this black white boy Being a biracial kid who in my hood where I grew up and with all my brothers and sisters and everybody I was just me and it was what it was that was amazing I was always accepted for what for who I am and I think getting in hip-hop It's a lot of people telling you you are this and they get mad and the vein in their head explodes You're not know this thing you say you are no you're not no you're not and then for a long time.
I'm scared so now I'm just like man eat a dick. Yes. I am. This is me.
Fuck you. I'm getting this money I'm paid you're mad at me because I'm successful man. Fuck your life and powerful place to be I like it now Yeah, I mean it's the best you can be comfortable in your own skin You know you are you know you're doing you know how you're gonna get there or maybe you don't but you're still doing it regardless I'm curious how someone like you because you know I've been one of the people watching your trajectory from the sidelines And admire everything done and I said before you walked in that like I Today's the day where I feel like I want to be inspired and I find you incredibly inspiring and also successful and it's interesting to me How someone like you who has had all this success didn't have didn't find that I am enough until How you not 30 31 32 so yeah, I found that over the last two years I found it like is when I started to really get it. Yeah, and it's interesting now because Again social media is so much noise on there and kids are gonna have to hopefully find that I am enough earlier You know what I'm saying is there a self-discovery path you went on after your retirement that led you into this realization?
I don't know man I just like fucking my wife and being a good dad Yeah, so like that's all I think about man I just think about my gorgeous wife who's got my back holds me the fuck down and my son and like when you realize that That's all that matters and their health and happy like that's it like I think about this money or how much money I've made or have or this like none of that shit really matters I mean it's dope who doesn't like fun going to noble and master I shouldn't be a bum steak and buying quarter million dollar cars and but like For how long you know like it doesn't get sold just like the number one albums of this or that It's like why you think I just dropped the most boom that album in the mainstream as my last album on deaf jam Because I was like fuck it if I wanted to make a bunch of money You know what I would have done I would have called marshmallow which I already have we talked about doing music I'd be like we're gonna do this as a last album and just fucking take over and deaf jam is coming at me right now with these police I know but what I'm saying is I did it because I loved I just now I don't do anything. I don't Enjoy or love and I'm at a place now where somebody thinks I'm arrogant or an asshole or this or that I don't give a shit. I know me and I know that I respect everyone around me, but I'm just a grown man on his Larry David shit I don't have time. That's why we're homey who came and walked in like I wasn't a being an asshole I was literally I shook my man's hand I looked him in his face and I was like and I was like I'm in the middle of a conversation right now.
I was you in a second like back in the day I would have been like oh Excuse me. I fucked that shit time is money. He's a real one and now we're here having the best conversation ever man You can't second guess yourself or second judge yourself You have to have that confidence and if somebody feels some type of way about you They really have a problem with themselves. Yeah, so do you think it was mostly having like a Level home and finding a girl and having a kid that push you to that spot or with their other because as someone who has struggled Through a lot of trauma myself and mental health issues that I deal with on a daily basis I'm not only inspired by you But also curious about your path because I still deal with this shit every fucking day and every day's a struggle for me And so I'm curious was was that like the the key catalyst for you finding internal peace and happiness or their other other steps?
You took internal peace and have you do you have that? Fuck no You want to answer the answer is it's never ending it's like a piece of art like look at this art next to you like you know Or listen to music whether you listen to Kendrick or Drake's dance hall dope shit or having fun or whatever It's like art is is a is a journey of chasing perfection and perfect It's just impossible and I think the same can be said about our mental health about balance about anxiety about all these things Man, it's like I'm not perfect. I go to therapist. I see a therapist I utilize the tools that she gives me to do the best that I can to better myself so that I can be a better me First and foremost for me and love myself and be nicer to myself and kinder to myself is not very hard on myself And then in doing so I'll be a better father.
I'll be a better husband friend boss Interviewee like whatever man So it's like when it comes to when it comes to health mental health and when it comes to your own personal happiness Bro, that's a relationship with you and I think it's about asking like yeah, you like looking to be inspired I feel that shit sometimes I'll be on TikTok because I'm not on social media But everyone's a while grab my assistance bonus. I always love some shit that makes me be like damn You know, maybe some like really rip black dudes like get out of bed I'm like yeah, I can't make it happen like I just quit fucking nicotine I quit hard liquor like I just been like I just been on one and I think I think that question is a really beautiful one because It's important that we do the best that we can to seek not affirmation but guidance and others regardless of you know Monetarily where they may be or success, but even just everyday people I've learned some of the illish shit just talking to somebody on a bus stop or you know waiting line and like I don't know fucking movie theater or something You just you never know what you're gonna get so I would say keep that mentality of having conversations and being open because I'm a student Not just a music but a life and I'm here to learn every day every day I'm sorry business We don't know enough about marketing to do yourself and don't want to waste your money hiring a sketchy agency Well agency box is the world's first automated marketing tool that gives you access to everything your business needs to grow Serving over 4,000 businesses agency box allows you to start or grow your business with world-class and lead generation web design press SEO and more all for less than the cost of a single freelancer or contractor plus many people have created their own successful agencies Just reselling their services to learn more go to agency box.com Logan and start building your empire today. That's agency box comms slash Logan Can I use agency box for the new business on building? That's right.
I'm like just go to agency box comms slash Logan now back to the show What you're saying transpires really nicely into your music your art. Thanks, which is interesting I might Okay, I'm good Me too you fine. I'm fine. I'm sorry.
I didn't interrupt you. I'll just find out. It's a it's an interesting day I need to be inspired to stop coughing You say really meaningful stuff in your art and it's interesting because it as a hip-hop guy That doesn't seem easy and I'm wondering if that's one of the things when you're saying you're getting Criteria criticized or we're in the past about your music is that one of the things is it not enough hip-hop? Is it too inspirational you try to people write you off as corny sometimes and does that bother you?
No, no, no, it did for sure. I mean once again in having that realization of like oh bro There is no spoon like the matrix damn I'm quoting a whole ass movie I'd be saying it sometimes people are like what if somebody says that you're in the wrong way Agreed there is no spoon It's like we we create these things in our head and then we also allow, you know other people's Essential affirmation of those things like you know, I think the best way to put it is you know Like the breakfast club right like when Charlemagne would say something about me years ago It cut extra deep because before I was ever known I was just a fan of his show So I'm like oh, I love this show I'm the community and culture watching and pushing this show and then you're on the show and then people shit on you and you're like Oh my god, and then you get older and you realize none of that even matters as well You know so I think for me. Yeah, I I was too nerdy or you know wrapping about sapphai and solving Rubik's cubes They like doing all this other shit But guess what the whole time I never stopped doing me and I still don't stop doing me and it's very difficult to be yourself You know, you can't stand out and fit in at the same time and it is hard. It's hard to be you It's just it's hard to be yourself and to be like, yo, this is me because a lot of and I'm not Everybody in this fucking room.
It's hard to be like this is who I am because there's somebody out there Just gonna shit on you and you know, bro I've seen just wait till you see I got some music coming and that shit is crazy and One of them is about how you know, I've read how people tell me that they hope my baby dies like yeah But that's what I see when I go on the internet guess what? It's why I don't go on the internet I'm yeah, but that's so ridiculous. Yeah, so so a bunch of people going to celebrate the fourth game shot up in Chicago What the fuck this is the world we live in man? So it's broken and guess what I'm gonna fix it So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna do the best that I can since day one since I've been here for a decade Professionally to spread my message of peace love and positivity.
That's it. Take it. Leave it. Love it.
Hate it. This is logic This is why I'm sick. I love it anyway As an artist when you create you're telling a story about your life I could not that I could tell because I did it but just from reflect on what you just said It must be so difficult to tell a story about something that means so so much to you and then people just shit on it Because that's not your art. They're shooting on it's literally a piece of your life and fragile It's amazing that you say this too because sorry if I interrupt you because like 99 fucking percent of rappers are a Mask they wear a mask.
That's not really who they are, you know and respectfully it's a catchy six nine is a prime example of this We it's very evident right. I'm not talking shit I'm just saying that he puts on this this character especially if you judge based off what he said in court That's not my fucking business. I'm not calling to college six nine out I'm just simply saying when you have these people that's like I'll kill you murder drugs visit I when you shit on somebody's music like that I would shit on his music But if there's somebody out there that's like oh his music is wack what they're really saying is he's wack and he's this But he's like I don't give a fuck because this isn't even really me You know what I'm saying or an artist like that So if I'm I don't know if I'm taking I ain't start trying to fucking start people six nine I'm just using an example that there are some rappers out there that are more about a Persona and a personification and because of that when people shit on their music or shit on them It doesn't matter because they're not really portraying who they are on the record me I'm out here talking about changing my son's diapers and shit So if you say that's whack or you hope he dies or you call my wife ugly or you say all this other shit That's difficult, you know, there's another thing I was just thinking about when we talked about this microphone when Michael Jackson released thriller There wasn't the internet we were getting feedback from fans. We were getting feedback from professional critics that weren't saying Yo, I hope your baby does.
Yeah, also that I'm didn't do that well at the gate to which is really crazy But anyway, yeah agreed but sometimes the world is ready for your art for later on It could be so being authentic is number one. Yeah, what is the most exciting thing about this album because do coming back from retirement? People are gonna have 100% what is your scariest part of releasing it in your favorite part of releasing? I made the album in 12 days talking about Dev Gym.
That's my favorite part. I'm off Damn, so you just threw that out there like that. Yeah, 100% bro. I made the album so that I could leave And guess what I left him with some of the dopers should I could give him It's not like I just wipe my ass like what am I excited?
I'm excited to be independent I'm excited to do my thing And I'm really happy to know that I represented and Loki was the face of a label one of the illest hip-hop labels of all time and that I sold millions and millions of records and gave them billions and billions of streams and And that it was a good partnership. You know I mean and I couldn't be happier to get the fuck out I have a two-part question. Yes, sir. I'm laying off of that For you musically, how do you define your success?
Oh, what are you looking at? Damn, that's a gangster question. It's so loaded. It's like a potato I got a second one.
How do I gauge my success? And that's so hard. I think it also depends on when you ask me that, you know, because it's like In 2018 I would engage my success by everything I was doing selling out arenas and being on the radio and all this other shit But if you had asked me before 1 800 came out like that song and I followed it up with the marshmallow records or Eminem or this That and a third I would have just gaged my success more so by Money Which is funny and then if you go before that I would have gauged my success by what I gauge it by now Which is how happy am I and how much of my heart is going into the music and it's a hundred percent of my heart Which I love yeah, so then the second part of that question is Being a creator I know what it's like to disappear and then that fear of especially you gauge success of returning right? Oh, dude, and if your success has anything to do with numbers are you fearful of returning?
Maybe it's been a while, you know, like do you feel rusty at all are you confident in the art? It does it not even matter to you because your body of work is strong enough in your head Well, so brought to you by pride. Yeah, there he goes It is a it is a scary thing, but then it just depends on what you want It's like bro. I think my I don't even know the official number You know how many you know me albums I sold with vinyl days in a week 25,000 Do you know how many albums I sold my last album that came out 250,000?
Now two years ago is when I dropped that album and two years ago I sold 250,000 units the world is changing drastically and the reason I say this is because well one My merchandise Warner fucked up my rule out, but it's all good I won't get into it like I do with FGM, but this is saying it's gonna be great. We're gonna figure shit out So they lost me a couple albums sold, but whatever it doesn't matter what I'm saying is like, bro Isn't it crazy that you know, I'm not stupid people were like, oh, I'm better than Drake some love about it I'm like it ain't even compensation who gives a fuck like I don't give a shit But I find it funny that this is arguably one of probably my most well-received album At least in the culture of hip-hop and in that circle that I've ever done and it's been funny that it's like when I'm out the door of the label And I'm like I don't even give a fuck here you go and everyone's like, oh, I really love this and it's being praised so much But it sells like shit, but that's usually the way it goes right like you find these albums with critical acclaim that just don't get the same Audience feedback, you know what I'm saying because the critics are a very different audience than the mass I think there's a lot of things going on. I think music is in a different place I think streaming is in a different place. They're bought and I think legitimately I Didn't make a pop album or single or song on purpose And I think if I did that if I literally call you know me fucking people I know and if I called this producer and that writer and this singer and that we all got together and blah blah blah blah And made fucking 20 million dollars, you know what I mean?
Like off a song like I could have done that's not I'm done with that shit From 2018 to 2019. That's what I did. I went and I made a lot of fucking money and I made so much money It was awesome and then I was like, oh, I mean I'm comfortable, but I'm not really happy What would make me happy? You know what makes me happy listening to slum village Lupe Fiasco and making things like Jake Dylan fucking risen Wu tank Land and listening to Nas and fucking big pun and most deaf and dope ass shit and having fun fucking watching anime fucking my wife And doing these things that's what makes me happy I'm gonna make a fucking my wife compliment.
Yeah, so that's what I that's what I want to that's what I want to focus on now And that's my message to any and everybody out there's like bro Just do what you love and that doesn't mean I'm not gonna make another song on March I'd be a fucking idiot not to have a big record or at least try that one and have fun with my homie who's like the nicest guy ever Like this. Yeah, it's like why wouldn't I do that? But I think there's a dude it's like ask yourself. Why are you doing it?
So what's the thing I just said? It's like to have a great collaboration with somebody that I genuinely fuck with and I love this dude and we both know We're popping is gonna do dope and that's cool. We can make some money But I don't think the first thing that's in your head should be making money And that that's why when I made 1-800 I wasn't in the studio like oh, yeah, the suicide song about Don't bump in the club. No, no, no, no, I was over it I had tried to chase a hit my whole life and never got one what I had was hit albums because I have fans who love me And appreciate me so I had these albums and I never in my life had hit record And and it was the last song on album everybody on my third album and I was like I don't even want to do this Like I put it off I put it off and I did it and I did it because for years fans have been like you say my life you say my life and I'm like Get the fuck out of here like I've never even tried to save your life and I was like damn what if I actually tried I've never generally tried to make a song to save somebody's life and it was this song And it blew up and I would never in a million years thought that this was the song and guess what I did I fucking biracial tiger woods followed through with that motherfucker and after that shit, you know hit the whole stratosphere That's when I hit him with the everyday joint by marshmallow and then the Bobby Tarantino project and then the M&M record And then I was like alright fuck this shit.
I want to rap and have fun and I retired and now I'm here in post It's funny cuz I kind of like in what he's talking about to the issues or like feelings You used to have about daily vlogging when you were checked out remember when you would just be like dude like I hate I'm sober like I just don't like doing this anymore You're making so much money you you know you people are telling you it's what they want people are telling you this is the thing That you should be doing but it's not until you take a step back a very necessary break probably that you realize that Yo, there's bigger things in my life because this career is not your life I think that's the biggest realization you get so sucked into the career and you really and you don't make that realization This is not life, you know, yeah I think it's also really hard when everybody's in your pocket, you know, I just wrote this line yesterday in the studio I said everybody that I love is on payroll And so that but guess what logic writes a bar like that and people like shit's whack cuz they can't relate to it So here I am on my watch the throne Rapid about some luxurious shit, but really when you think about it, it's all about how you do it, right? So it's like sometimes I'll give you a prime example So it's like I came up I came up wrapping and I was a kid going you can make it believe in yourself But I wasn't really talking to the audience. I was literally looking in the mirror and I'm wrapping whatever you want to do you can attain it Persistent determination realism one is successful in your next breath piece of positivity. You can do it That was me talking to myself and then as I got bigger I started talking about those things money problems family problems all this other shit and as I progress and I progress I go from the underdog to then making it and then when you make it now I'm out here talking about damn just like when I was like damn is real it's real hard juggling change now I'm out here like y'all juggling millions.
So some people might feel as though all he changed now, he's different But really I'm wrapping about the same exact struggle and hustle. I'm just at a different place in my career So when I say everybody that I love is on my payroll That doesn't mean that I pay people to be my friends. It means that my best friends and loved ones I'm lucky enough to actually work with but with that comes an incredible weight because sometimes it should don't work out It could be difficult while it doesn't relate to most people I think it relates to most of us I mean like everyone this room is family and we're a team and I also think it's important Especially if you want to create the most effective content media that the people around you or people that you live with people that you love and trust For sure. Yeah, so like we told we totally give what you're saying.
I want to talk about one hundred real quick Yeah, are you aware of the impact that that had that song is had in the world? Yeah, it's kind of crazy. Congress wrote me a letter. So I'm pretty aware.
That's insane. That's insane I know what it says like a thank you. It was like you're the shit They just they just they thank me for for the song and you know after the study and come out proving that it actually It's a blodge and I I written I was asked to stand before Congress But I couldn't make it because I had rap shit Why would you not do it? I as a person should go on you know, you know what I needed to do that day I needed to do whatever I needed to do that.
So that's what I did, you know, and but I wrote him a fire letter sick I forget what I said we should get it It's really it's pretty gassed and I wrote them this just really beautiful letter and it was read on my behalf before them And then they wrote me this really cool thing back. I know about me. I can't believe that it affected the world and Somehow 24 carat gold still won a band of God damn it No, I know but it's such a great song like he killed it He deserves it. What was the what was the actual inspiration for making a song about the idea of taking your own life, right?
Because you came up in a household of trauma with addiction So why not a song about addiction why not a song about anxiety? Why this specific act is suicide? What was that made you want to make that song? It was because people saying that he Thank you George were you there?
Well, I do you would say he sort of did already answer the question. Yeah, but not the way he wants What was it? Wait, what was the exact answer they already gave? Now that my co-hosts turned on me Well, I have done songs about addiction even even I have a song called Nikki about I said it's like a breakup song We're essentially about giving up Nikki team.
It's just really difficult and then I was on it now. I'm off it again And so that's a whole thing in 2015. I was I just finished my second album. It was called the Incredible True Story It's like the sci-fi nerd album spire love it and I decided that I wanted to do like a fan tour so I got a tour bus and I went from California all the way to New York and stopped it like a million fans houses in between to Play them my album early in their house and eat dinner with their family and hang out and play video games and just do all this other shit Like 90% of these people all ages religions colors creeds Everybody right was like you're fucking music save my life and That's what I'm like looking these people in the eye and I'm like damn Why would you say that and then they would give me like specific examples of like things they were going through or what songs or you know how how like me and the adversity that I I going through not only personally in my own life but then in hip-hop or in entertainment and Then basically being like and you never stopped and you never stop being you and you told me that I could be me And I'm just like damn kid.
I was just bull shit myself You know damn this really works and then through that realizing that my words have power there's somebody out there watching this whether they're laughing with us or Learning with us or whatever like this is because of what you guys do you're changing people's lives And I know you know that yeah, yeah But there's sometimes there's those moments where you're like oh shit Like this is this is really crazy because we anybody can be desensitized to anything And I think when you're in the limelight the spotlight in a position of power sometimes you forget It's like you know Oh, yeah, let me give this family 20 G's or let me take care of somebody's rent for a year or it's funny I'm talking about it But a lot of shit I don't talk about it's like nothing to me But then you realize like damn this person sends you a video of her three kids and they all used to live in a garage And they all have their own rooms now and you're and you're just like damn like it's different So when this person was like you save my life I was like now I see why and I see how much power I have and I don't want to fuck that up I want to do the best I can to spread a positive message and also it's like you know after spreading that message It's important to also have fun And that's why I do you know pop records every now and again or whatever because it's like enjoy yourself You also use the opportunity to make money for your well-being and your son's trust you know And I don't mean trust just in you also my pockets Yeah impact impact is hard to measure it's a it's a it's difficult to see a comment that says you say My life and understand truly that's where my question was coming from that's why I was saying why because I get that comment all the time But it's about heroin edition. I was like my when people say do simply you save my life That doesn't automatically lead you to believe all their commit suicide They could have been drinking driving all the time like yeah question was do you have any kind of intimate relationship with the active suicide? Have you ever been driven to kill yourself? Every time you try to commit suicide like what is the intimate relationship that exists there between yourself?
Yeah, I've known folks that I kill themselves and I really love it grew up with and and I've thought about it But not to the extent where it's like oh, I'm gonna do this It was more like intrusive thoughts or what ifs and such it was never like all right here I am here's a gun here's a knife here's a rope here's a this here's that I was never at that point But I have been to the point where I was so scared that I was like oh shit I think I'm about to break like that's a scary place to be so I could only imagine the person who either that then does break or lives In that brokenness for so long that they can't take it anymore Like that's a sad thing so when I wrote that record That's the perspective of what I was of where I was writing it from and it's like it's a deep record You know and it wildest part is a lot of you know when it came out here's was really funny when it came out motherfuckers Like oh my god, this is so deep. This is so impactful and then it's on the radio and people are like this is played This is played it's just that pop shit. It's like no man. It's not I mean I didn't even know I was making a pop song when I made the song funny.
You want to know a fun fact fun fact is I did that song for the chain smokers. Nobody knows this I don't know why I never told a story I did this song I did 1-800 for the chain smokers and they sent me they sent me a completely different that I made this beat They sent me some other shit and it was like some dance Drake the new Drake. It was like duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh and I was like I've been on a lot of time and I just like kind of flippin I want to I want to take this Positive instrumental and like give it some grit and so I wrote it and they hit me back and they was just like I don't think This is it. Like they were like thanks a lot.
We really appreciate it's a little too deep It's a little too edgy, we just don't think it's gonna work and I was like alright I can fuck We'll be upset. I was like y'all call me. This is what I did you didn't like it and then like a month later came out It was big But yeah but yeah, but I kind of understand that's not a thing I was trying to put down the excess That's not gonna work. No, I get it.
That's why I'm not upset. Those guys are cool as well. Like it's just, yeah. What worked out for the artists?
Not about interest. Did I what? Did you write for anybody else? Well, I didn't write.
They wanted me to feature on it. So I wrote it and I was like, here's my feature. And I sang it. That exact hook, I just took it and then just made a whole other beat and put it on that.
So, yeah. No, but I've never really, I've never written for anybody. No, I just, I'm selfish. I'm just gonna be making my own.
Are you excited about the Dragon Ball Z movie coming up? I didn't know there's Dragon Ball Z movie coming up. I'm not on the internet. That's a real thing.
Is it live action? It's so good. The trailer game. Really?
Is it live action or anime? Anime, of course. Oh, it's anime. Yeah.
Oh, fuck out. No, I can't watch. After watching Avatar the Last Airbender, and they just ruined that show from me completely. When they did like a natural look like Mike actually, but with the kind of dude.
Didn't the UGO founder die? Is UGO? Is UGO? UGO?
I don't know. I just debunked everything he lived for in one second. Way to go, Mike. Yeah, me pastor.
All right. That's crazy. So look, you found an inspo, in part from what I'm gathering traversing the nation, looking at these fans in the eyes, right, hearing their stories, really connecting with them. Then you make really impactful art.
But where do you find inspiration now? Generate question, but let me elaborate a little more. Fuck my wife. So that's what it sounds like.
It sounds like you're a family man. Yeah. Yeah. For me and a lot of artists, I find that art's fascinating, whether it's musicians, actors, content creators, everyone finds their inspo from different places.
And singer-songwriters, I know some that will put themselves in extreme environments, highs and lows, just to find that inspiration. They'll go outside. They'll travel. They'll meet people.
But you're inside. Is it just internalized? Oh, man. I think I still have my experiences.
And I think now through COVID and now that that's over in effect, I'm about to be on the road again and stuff, I'm going to have a lot more experiences. So I definitely take my life experiences. But I think the thing that has been inspiring is the self-journey internally. So kind of what you're saying.
Being in COVID and not going anywhere and having nothing but, nothing but, but just time with my family, my wife, my son, my friends, my microphone, beats, an NPC. It's just been almost the truest, rawest music that I've ever really made. And sometimes I'm just having fun. Sometimes I'm just having fun.
And I'm just like, look how good I am. By the way, great times are tired. Oh, I know. I'm just talking about it.
OK, well, I'm still on that one. Everybody's tired. They just did it. I know.
And I feel bad because think about how many artists like just starting to get a buzz. And they're just doing their thing. And they just announce a tour. And they just put all this money into their shit.
And then it's like COVID hits. And all their shit's gone. And these are artists that we might never hear of. It's like sad.
It's fucking sad. And it sucks. But I came up. It's fucking bad.
No, not fucking bad. That sucks. But I'm glad I decided to take time for my mental health and was rewarded for it. You know what I mean?
Like, it is what it is, man. But there's artists out there. That's like my journey now. My journey is helping artists.
Even on this album, I found artists and nobody knows on TikTok and shit. And I just took them and put them on here. This one woman, her name is Nizzie Mamadou. She came to America when she was 15 from Nigeria.
Her parents brought her over here, put her through college. She works in finance. She's like 31. And I bam, now she's on my fucking album.
And when I go to Texas, I'm going to bring her out. She's going to wrap her up. She's incredible. That's where I'm at, helping others, utilizing the power that we have.
Because that's another question. It's like, why does so many rappers don't change lives? You could change someone's life, by giving them a feature, putting them on your album, doing whatever. And nobody does it.
It's like, no, help their homie out. It's like, I'm open, like 20 miles out. What about the person you don't even know? That is so incredibly amazing.
Like, what is it going to take for you to just, because you want to, but like, discover somebody and be like, wow, this person's really good. Hey, call them up. Is it cool if we wrap together? Like, that's what I did.
And I still do that. Well, it's a leap. The answer is because it's a leap. You're putting a no name.
You're giving someone a chance who's never been given a chance at the highest level. That's true. And when most, especially in the music. Yeah, I mean, you mentioned earlier, a lot of artists are hiding behind the guys of their work.
And people don't know who they are. You have a very sound moral compass and know what you want to do. And what are the three, like, tenants that you've got positive? He's a positive dude.
And it's not a lot of people have that mission. Well, it's also in the street, you know, this street mentality is not what pay it out. It's not one of like putting people on it. Like, random people on it.
It's very much like, who's in your household, who's in your squad and the opposite. It's making sure that the opposite and the other people, you don't fuck, don't make it. I have a song with YG about just that. Really?
But it's mainly about financial security and how essentially like the older heads, because I talk about how now I'm an older head. Like I'm 32. Like that's weird. Like I'm so young, like in the world, like I'm so young.
Like I'm a young millionaire. Like I'm a young guy. But in rap, I'm old as fuck. And so I kind of talk about how, as I came up, so many of the elite rappers didn't educate me in my generation on saving your money, investing your money, doing all this.
They just put it all on their necks and, you know, on their wrists and all this other shit. And because of it, a lot of people aren't here anymore. And so me and YG are kind of discussing that. And it's pretty gangster here.
YG talk about like being on your financial gang. I'm like, Jane, is gangster? Well, it was like, Jay was like one of the first guys to go. Yeah, but Jay Z's fucking Jay Z.
It's like it's Jay Z, Jay Z's like, Hey, investor money. And I'm like, okay, Jay Z. A billion dollars. Like, okay.
I'm talking, I want to hear it from like, Well, you have snips, he was big. Oh, that's what I'm talking about. And that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, but there you go.
Two guys, you know what I'm saying? And there's a lot. Also, they struggle with that themselves. So how are they going to really preach it if they can't even practice themselves?
I agree. I think there's a lot of fucking amazing people now. Nowadays, like, you know, talking about killer Mike is one of them, obviously. He's like the goat.
So there's some really incredible artists, but I'm just saying mainstream shit. And it's like, they don't really talk about stuff like that. So I thought it'd be funny. It's like the opposite.
Obviously. It's kind of like what car they got. Wow. Like, which is cool too.
It's systemic, bro. It's like built in us to do that. I don't know why I have all these rings and shit. I just like it.
I like it. I personally like it. You know, this right here, this is an investment. Like that's how I see it.
And also I rap. Well, the watch is actually the watch is great investments. I mean, that's a great, that's a great space. I agree.
Yeah, I bought it. My first Rolex was from my son. Even when I bought it, he didn't even exist. It's like four years ago.
And I was like, how many of this to my son one day? And then I bought it. Did you wear it? I wore it.
Yeah, I'm not for your son. No, I wore it. I wore it. And then that's the way it's up to me.
It's for my boy. This is mine. The other one is in a safety deposit box. Now this one is a I call this my racist Rolex.
And it's in Japanese. Oh shit. Why is it racist? Because it's blackface.
I don't know why they use that term. I think that's bullshit. Can we talk about it? I want to like tiptoe this nice.
Fuck tiptoe. It's logic. So I want to tiptoe this. It's OK.
So you're half black, right? Yeah. Because I know there's been a lot of like that statistic, that fact has been a big part of that criticism of your career. Yeah, like seven years ago.
But yeah. But you know what I'm saying? Yeah. What how do you feel about your own use of the N word?
And is that something that you use at all? Like an extent? Are you allowed to give it out? Are you not allowed to give it out?
Like a pass. Are you being funny? I want to hear a whole I want to be a question. Are you mean?
Are you fucking with me? I swear to God. No, they talk about it on social media. My answer is a little bit more first of all.
And then you could go. But people talk about it all the time. I know I know very well that that passes not exist. It doesn't fucking exist.
You can't be given a pass. I don't think there is an end all be all in any race, black, white, brown, whatever, that can define who can do what, say what, be what, how they should be. There is no end all fucking be all. It's just like it's just like when I called Lena Waith.
And I asked her, I was like, because I use the F word in a wrap. And I don't like to use this word, but I use the word because I talked about how somebody had used this word against me. And I was like, I said this thing. And she was like, oh, OK.
And like she was like, yeah, somebody said that about you. And you're just saying what you said. And I was like, hey, Lena, I call you not as the voice of all gay people or the voice of all black people or the voice of all gay black people. I call you as my friend, who is a gay woman.
And I sit here and I use this word about how somebody attacked me with it. And I'm just speaking my truth. And she goes, bro, you're logic. She's like, somebody's got to really stretch their neck because you used a word the correct way and be angry at you about it.
Yeah, but my fuckers really be stressed out. I'd also like to elaborate. Georgie, please, the love of God, pull to my culture. I can't keep his phone.
I can't keep his phone. I've got to wear headphones or something, George. OK, I apologize. The reason why I elaborate, because it did sound like I was being funny.
So when I was growing up, I was called it in a different way. I was called the sand inward. And all my Middle Eastern friends use it. And some people use it.
But I don't ever feel comfortable using it. So what is the takeaway from that? I personally think it's like your culture and where you grow up. Like, that's just a real thing.
It's like, there's white people in the hood who uses word. All the time. Motherfuckers act like that's not it. Oh, and all their homies are black.
And they grew up in this. It just is what's going on. So that's what I mean. I can't sit here and say what's right.
And I don't know. Like, I don't give a fuck. I grew up. And yeah, of course I use the word.
Are you joking? What are you talking about? I'm fucking black. Yes.
But I'm also like, I'm also like, I'm just walking down the street. I'm like, making sure everyone knows. I got a biracial shirt on. I'm like, this is my dad.
Check out these pictures. And my nieces. All right. What's up?
You bring your credentials. Yeah. But it's funny because it's not funny. But you bring up this conversation you had with somebody about this derogatory homosexual term, when you were using it just to talk about something that happened to you.
We saw this happen with Rogan earlier in the year. Oh, yeah. And it's a very interesting talking point where it's like, can you even now use the term in an educational or way? I think that's bullshit.
And y'all could blurp it out, believe it out, whatever. I said, I open up about my feelings. They call me a fuck you. I had it.
My mentality was shattered. You want to know why I retired? Because I was uninspired. And everything was fucking pay me.
I tried something different. And they say I'm not the same. Like that's just the real issue. And it's honest.
And it's like bro. OK, cancel me. cancel me internet for spreading a positive fucking message and calling out these pieces of shit who used these words and being like. This is my truth.
This is what the fuck, I went through. Get the fuck out of here. Like, are you choking internet? But similarly to any other word that has entered that space.
Yeah. It comes with it's to be a longer about intent. No, you're saying. But you have to understand the pain, similarly to the other word that we started with in very different ways that is innately built into that term death fucking lifelong shame and just all these feelings are built into that.
So when people use it so flippantly, now by the way, someone right here, me raising my hand, from East East Coast, use both of those terms growing up. You know what I'm saying? Like of course I did, I was from that area, I used those terms all the time. But now I was sitting in the way that people are so used to.
But the thing that I'm curious about is how do you, is it not okay to have a educational conversation around it? Cause I believe the way Joe was using it, a lot of these videos that came out earlier in the year, was to bring it up talking about Django Unchained. And the way it was used in that movie, for example. Like how can we talk about it without using it?
You don't have to, it's a very easy fix. What the, how hard is it to just not fucking say? I don't, I don't, I don't, I know, I know, I know, it's just, I think artists and creatives with intent, do whatever you do bro. It's like Chappelle, Chappelle uses both of those fucking words and I look at Chappelle and I'm like, like I'm like, wow, I just learned a lesson.
I laughed, he made fun of everybody at the same time. He did it, like there you go. Like I think very few people can use the words and should use the words in certain situations. But guess what, that's what I said.
I said, I don't fucking know. I'm not the end all be all, it's gonna be logic. Sit on, also. No, I didn't, like I don't know, I don't give a shit.
I don't give a fuck. And even when I say, what did I say? I said, early, I said the F word. And then we're talking about it, we're talking about it.
I'm like, oh, you wanna talk in one context? This is what I said. You wanna get it all? I don't give a shit if it gets bleeped.
What I'm saying is, I'll take it. It's like, yeah. You'll be going against everything he just said. And it's on my album.
It's on my album. Like that just came out. Oh, you're new one. Yeah, like I just, it's out, it's there.
But no, it's not that I don't give a fuck. It's that I give a fuck so much that someone called me a f***. And I went, damn, that really hurt my feelings. I'm gonna write a song about that.
What you gonna cancel me? No, but that seems fine. But also, like, what do we stop giving a fuck about cancellations? Realistically, at what point?
Why are we working so hard to be worried about all this? I think pieces of shit should be canceled. If you're a fucking homophobic, racist piece of shit, fuck you. Yeah, but doesn't it water it down?
We cancel so many other people. 100%. You know what I'm saying? I look at it like when the whole Me Too Movement was going around and girls were just mad at a guy and they were like, and I'm like, bro, you're taking away from the people that are actually deserving to get canceled.
I don't get this. I will never understand this. On a much lighter note, but sort of on the same topic. And I mentioned this, you do have a really sound moral compass.
Thanks, I've struggled with this, especially in my youth, especially when money and clout were evolved. How and where did that come from? What's the trauma? Dude, I don't know.
Everybody always asks me this. They're like, what is it? And I always, I guess, like, I cop out. And I say God in common sense.
And I don't even know if I believe in God. I believe in an energy and a spirit. I just don't think it's a white dude with a beard on a cloud. But I believe in something.
Look at yours, George. And I believe it's white. And whatever that is, I believe in it. But he is on a cloud.
He's on a cloud. I can't wait till judgment day comes. And I'm like, yeah, it's all about a guy, dad. But either way, I respect, just when it comes to people's sexuality or race or this or that, religion, it's a big thing.
And I have my personal, how I feel about it. And I don't judge nobody, and I'm with it. But I have no idea. Like, I don't know.
I got in common sense. That's what I say. I don't know. I don't understand.
Every other person in my family either was killing motherfuckers, on drugs, doing drugs, sold drugs. Dead. Like, I don't. Dead.
That was the lesson, but that was the lesson probably. You know what I'm saying? I learned that lesson is what he's saying. Like, what is it inside that where all my other brothers or cousins or this or that could be like, oh, I'm 11.
So you hold the gun like this. And I held the gun and I was like, not cool. Let me shoot it like twice. OK, all right.
This sucks. Like, there was this thing inside of me that just was like, this is wrong. Like, that's funny. Like, everybody has that, but not everybody can walk away from it.
Do you know what I'm saying? I feel like everybody does have that like, this is wrong. But a lot of people are more scared of not looking cool or not going with what the world wants. I think that's the same reason I made and still continue to make music the way that I do, because it would have been cooler for me, honestly, if anything, to be like, yeah, I cooked crack as a kid.
And yeah, I've shot guns and I ran around and I did this and I did that. And if I had kind of glorified it in this way, and I probably would have been accepted more. But I was like, fuck that. I like Pokemon.
OK, I like Pokemon. I'm going to buy a Charizard for 181,000 and shit's like half a million now. Oh, shit. We never even got it.
Whoa, that's when we first connected. Dude, good purchase vibes. And everybody on the internet was like, Blah, I'm so fucking ripped. He's a fucking moron.
All this shit. And I'm just sitting here like, nah, that's 400k now. You two X. Yeah, I've got two years.
Oh, let's go. Crypto. That's one investment. No, crypto.
Crypto's a five to 10 year. I don't look at my shit. I'm not looking at my shit. I know what it is.
And guess what? Outside of that, I got investment. I got real estate in fucking Malibu. I got real estate in Oregon.
I have real estate that I sold in Utah. I fucking ate two million more than I fucking bought it for. Bro, why is investments, ladies and gentlemen? You know, you put your money to work for you while you sleep.
You're scared about what's about to happen here? It's recession possibility or the market, sir? It's shit is scary as fuck. It's scary.
I got my guns. I got cash outside of my shit. I'm ready. I'm hunkered up.
You have toilet paper. I'm chilling. I got wet wipes. No, we ain't doing it.
I have stuff to barter with. I got wet wipes and charge arts. Are we doing that again? The toilet paper shit?
Is that about to happen again? It's like a two year cycle now, the toilet paper heats up. Like what it was like two, three years ago, do toilet paper is the hottest thing. And then it became charge arts and crypto.
And now it's going to be fucking now it's going to be toilet paper again. Like do we start to run on the TV now? I'm so out of it. I'm so out of it.
I think about how crazy the world is and like, what's going on? And I'm like, I'm low key tapped out. I'm tapped out and I'm tapped in, meaning the shit is so. So I without a doubt believe there's way more good, positive people, things, energy in the world than negative, but just like comments on a YouTube or Instagram or Twitter section, the loud minority, it's just always there.
They're the loudest. They're screaming. They're shooting. They're this, they're that and it's fucking difficult.
So me, I'm often, I don't ignore it by any means. I tap in with my friends, with people I love, with people I work with. And I go tell me what's going on in the world today. And it's like today, I found out, oh shit, Chicago got shot up on four days.
Yeah, it's like so annoying. But if it was that day, it would have been even fucking worse. It's like, it's just, there's always something all the time, everything everywhere, all the ones. It's horrible.
I don't, I don't think it'd be fully tap out, man, because you're far too motivational and tapped in and in a position where you can affect that you. Nobody see, but that's what I do. I talk to the people that I love and I go, please tell me what's going on in the world. I can't be on a feed all day, literally just looking at people dying and starting and that.
I can't do that. But what I can do is my due diligence to sit down on days and go, I want to know not fake news, not that it's not that from people that I trust and love who are on that shit all the time, because they care and ask them to educate you on what's going on in the world. Excuse me, I don't mean tap out like not on it every day looking at what's happening. I mean, like, I see this stuff too, right?
And it affects me, but I am in a position where I believe I can then affect change with what I see. And so are you. Yeah, but I do that in my music. He's got the output anyway.
So, so for every tweet in Instagram that you don't see for me, like trying to be fucking fake woke, like half the internet, it's a line, it's a line or a song or an entire fucking album. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, fuck that shit.
My biggest fear of all that for myself and I know for a lot of other people is like, you said when you see it, it affects you. My fear is for a lot of people that start not to anymore. That's right. You know what I'm saying?
Like, that's crazy. Like, bro, when you're sitting there and you see this and people are like, yo, ain't that the most American thing ever going with your kids and watching fucking parade celebrating our freedom or freedom to what? Die in the streets. Like this just fucked up.
You have children. Wait till you have kids. Then it's even scarier. But I know I can only imagine.
You have kids. Then you're like, Oh my God. It's just so terrifying. And then the hardest part is like you're even more scared and then you have to go out in the world and then teach them to go out in the world and be like, yo, fuck that.
Like, don't let these motherfuckers win. Like be you. Smile. Be loving.
Be happy. I got kids that are the same age. Oh, which would you? Two years old.
She's still. Oh, that's my manager, Jeff. After the July 4th, because it was a pre-LA, I was like, Oh fuck, I was like, go to fireworks. I got to think about this.
Yeah. And then you're watching the fireworks thinking, Oh, these are fireworks. And I thought I'm not realizing these are others. I was I was in Huntington.
We're watching it. I swear to God. I know this sounds really sad, but I had a one-on-one conversation with every single person I was there. I'm like, if you hear people screaming, swim into the water and meet me over there.