E97 Heather “Foster” Kjollesdal

This week's guest is Heather Schollersdahl, who's currently the dressing room coordinator for both Metallica and the Rolling Stones. As a dressing room coordinator, Heather's job is to essentially see that the band has everything that they want and need when they're on tour that makes them comfortable. It's a fascinating job where you get to know the band members on a personal level. We talk about what life on the touring road is like, the long days required for the job in the perks as well.

It's a fascinating conversation and Heather's a terrific guest. Enjoy the show. We're back with another episode of the industry podcast. My name is Kip.

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Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly. It's like Groundhog Day again. We're back in lockdowns for restaurants, bars, no idea.

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Yeah. This is today's January 16th. So this is only week two of the shutdown. Week two.

And it sounds like it's going to get extended longer than the original three week plan. So amazing. We're wonderful. Yeah.

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This week, Heather Schollersdahl. I might have fucked up on our butt. Schollersdahl. Schollersdahl.

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Thank you. Thank you. That was a wonderful one. A live in person.

Yeah. I've been over Zoom for the last few. You've had a pretty crazy interesting career. Now we kind of want to get into mostly what you've been doing recently.

But let's just zip through how you got into the industry originally. You did start as a dishwasher. And when you were 17. Yeah.

And then you were cooking for a while, correct? Yeah. Yeah. I worked at a restaurant and all my friends were there.

So I decided to get in there as well as doing a restaurant. Yeah. Yeah. I worked at a restaurant and all my friends were there.

So I decided to get in there as well as a dishwasher. Within weeks they were trying to be a cook. Oh, wow. So you got to look and get out of the dish bed.

Yeah. Yeah. So is this at some point you obviously decided that you enjoyed the cooking part of it. And you kind of get a decaturate a little bit.

Was that a consciousness or just kind of like this is the next job on the list? Yeah, it was just the next job. It was just a summer job and a friend might have already started working there. And so she was like, yeah, that's great.

You do all the concerts in Toronto. And we just, yeah. So I was like, okay, sure. So what then used the way you were working on?

The CNE when it still existed. Right. There was the big stadium there. We did a messy hall.

We did a meeting gardens. Anything that was, yeah. And so basically you're still just cooking at that point though, right? For the catering company or are you also serving?

I'm serving as well. When you cater for those kind of events, it's not sort of service. It's not like walking around with a tray and handing out orders. It's just a line with chief dishes.

Right. So someone sort of has to be behind the line to say, this is the state. This is the state. Just to thank you for dining with me.

Right. Yeah. So I would cook all day and then usually serve dinner. This was all on day.

Oh yeah. So that's your dance boarding events? Mainly concerts, but we did do indie car racing. Cool.

Back in the state day with a super pocket. Yeah. It was incredible actually. That was pretty much it.

Yeah. So these are mostly like luxury boxes that you're working in or? No. Like it's, we just, like at the CNE, we had a little kitchen there.

And then there was, I guess there's a room. Yeah, there's a room backstage. Just all the crew that would come through. That's really, that's really, so we had a little set up.

Gotcha. So you're basically, I see. So you're catering for the employees. Yeah.

Yeah. That's true. Right. So we had a lot of things that came through during those times.

Those times. Let's see. I did U2. We did back midler.

We did. And we're guns and roses came through. They canceled one year and we had tons of booze that we bought for. And then we had to send it all back and we're like, no.

But yeah, you name it. Like back in the early 90s, whoever came through that summer, we were catering it. Wow. Crazy.

So do you have any, do you have any, I don't want any of you just doing the catering, but do you get a sense of any of the crazy riders and shit that they'd be asking for? Oh yeah. Yeah. Cause you end up catering for the dressing room as well.

So they, you know, the crew will send you. And back in the day it was all on a computer or faxed. Yeah. But I'm sorry, it's private if you're still faxed.

Yeah. Totally. And then you send stuff through and this is what each dressing room requires food wise. So you'd end up seeing a lot of crazy stuff.

And you get to know the crew that way too. Right. So you'd see familiar faces coming into town all the time. Right.

And so like, and those are more like down to earth cool people to hang up with. Yeah. Yeah. They're the regular folk.

Right. Yeah. Do you remember specifically like one of the craziest riders that you saw faxed through? It's interesting because I, because I've been in the industry for so long now, it's just, to me, I look at the riders now as, it's kind of like what you would want.

You know, if you were away for, you know, months on end, what are your favorite foods or what are your favorite drinks? Right. So nothing really crazy. The only thing I do remember was Guns N' Roses once asked for like the Texas Mickey of, I don't know what, but it was massive.

He snapped. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But yeah, it was a massive, massive amount of alcohol and we're like, why? It's one night. What are you going to do? Okay.

So you get so drunk that the. Yeah, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

So like, with regards to the riders, there was a period of time where, I don't know if it's changed now, you would obviously know, maybe there's a period of time where they would put something crazy on every rider, just to make sure that he would read the whole thing all the way through, right? Like remove the brown M&M's or whatever shit like that or something. That's one hundred century. Yeah.

Is that still happening? I kind of do it sometimes on the riders now. I know you can't get certain things in Europe, but like so what can you get in Europe? Plastic cups.

Yeah. Probably Dixie or something. But so we'll have to have a big thing because they're just starting to stronger and so I'll keep that on the rider. And then when you're over in Europe, like yeah, we got everything.

I'm like, did you? Right. I know we can't get so up over here. So there's always a little test.

Yeah. So that's, let's go on just in a slightly different way. Yeah. Yeah.

And so you kind of transition, let's just move right into it because this is the most interesting part of, I feel about your biography is kind of what you're doing now. And one point you try and you sort of move from catering into, you basically got to call to go on tour with the Rolling Stones as a caterer. Yeah. Yeah.

So how did you talk to me a little bit about how that opportunity opened up and what it was like? It's obviously a much different scenario. Yeah. Very different.

Yeah. Well, the catering company that I was working for, they started doing little tours like in Canada or they go down to the States and do a couple months of touring. And then they got a call from the Stones and we're like, can you handle doing all of the catering for the crew on the road? And they're like, yeah, we're going to make a big massive truck and we're going to get a kitchen out of that truck and then we just toured.

And I got a call out of nowhere. I hadn't spoken to the catering company in years. And I just got a call and he was like, what are you doing? What's your life right now?

Where are you at? What are you doing? Do you want to come on tour? Because I was like, I need to hold on to more people.

Yeah, absolutely. So I was at the time I was working at the Flake Center. Oh, nice. And so I got that call and I hated that job.

And I was looking for a way out and got that call and I just had a house fire. So I lost all of my stuff. Oh, I was like, it'll be the smallest suitcase ever. So I just, yeah.

That makes it happen. Yeah. It worked out perfect timing. So yeah, I just started going on the road and at that point I wasn't really cooking.

I was just in front of the house. So I took care of all the crew. Banned sometimes if they came to dining room, of course, but usually they were in their dressing rooms. They wouldn't come to the crew dining room unless they were bored or something.

So I didn't really get to know the band until the later. And what year was this? That would have been 2001 or two. So they're already pretty old at this point.

Yeah. So yeah, it looks like a lot of time in the dressing room, I'm sure. So I have a bunch of questions. So you said he bought it truck.

So when you drive into every location? We had truck driver doing that. But I said it drove to every location. And then you guys flew in that.

We would get all the crew who get a bus. Oh. And we said we get a tour bus. It has 12 bunks, a little kitchenette, a back lounge, a front lounge.

And it's usually a shower? No. No shower, but that's what the venue's are for. Right.

So you finish your day and then you go into whatever locker room and have a quick shower, hop on the bus, have a few drinks. So next spot. What was the size of the crew that you worked with? At that time I think it was close to 200 people.

It was a lot. You include all the truck drivers, all the bus drivers, then there's obviously sound video. What tour was that? That was 40.

How did this feel? It was 40. Yeah, that was about after that. I think it was still in high school and still in high school.

That's the first show I actually worked locally. It was still in high school. Yeah. Okay.

So at this point it was just in North America I'm assuming. Okay. Let's transition then. So you're doing that catering for that tour.

And at this point, what point do you start to realize? Okay, it's kind of a fun life. Maybe I like to keep doing it. Or have you not realize?

Or have you still not realized it? I don't know. Yeah. At that time, no way.

I just thought, okay, this is fun. It's a gig. But I'm going to go home. I'm going to figure out what I'm going to do.

I'm going to go back to the flight center. I'm going to go back to the restaurant. So what am I going to do? And it really started stressing me out because I did love it so much.

And then one of the women on the zones, she was working more in production. She used to work for Metallica. And she was like, I got to hire someone from Metallica. And I know you don't work dressing rooms, you were catering.

But she had just watched me throughout the few months of touring. And you were confident in a fisherman. Yeah. And she was like, you always have a good attitude.

You worked really hard. You have the longest days. Because we're there at breakfast and we go and leave after everyone else. It's a long long.

I did 48 hours months just straight through. Because we just drove straight to the next venue which was only like two hours away. It was somewhere in Florida. And we just went straight into loading in breakfast.

So it was like 48 hours of being awake. It was kind of like, oh. But yeah, so this woman, she just liked my work ethic, I guess, and said I'm leaving this door to go to Metallica. Do you want to come do dressing rooms with me?

And I was like, okay, sure. I guess so. And I talked to the head guy at the catering company. And he was kind of hesitant.

He was like, no, I want you to stay. But he was also like, but this is a move up. So get you out of catering, you can take care of the band members really. And I was in heat, so he gave me his blessing.

And I switched tours. So when you move up, clearly, what you're doing is a move up. It seems like you get all closer to the band. Is there also a pay raise for you?

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. You don't have to tell us the numbers. No, it's not too much.

Well, I make four million bucks. Is it paid by tours? It's a yearly salary kind of style. Interesting.

So when I first started, it was weekly pay. So that's what you negotiate your weekly pay. Now I work with Metallica full time, so they have me on salary, which is fantastic. Yeah.

Don't worry about when your next tour is coming or whatever. Especially now with birds being canceled all the time. Yeah, basically. You wouldn't fuck like me.

When this whole thing happened, you're supposed to go to South America. And I just canceled it all. And I was like, well, I'm going to do. Like I can't say, I have a house.

And Metallica kept us on until the summer. And then realized this wasn't going away. And they cut our pay by a quarter. And then by December of 2020, they cut another quarter.

So I still was getting paid throughout this whole thing, even though it's like half pay. I just know. I was like, you don't have to do this. And you are.

So I'm not going to benefit to a lot of your house. I don't. People in the States do. They get health.

I don't want to get into this, because I'm going to back up again. But they might be kind of like a nice break almost, like being on the road all the time. And now you get to be home for a little bit even. Or would you rather be working?

I personally would rather be working. But it is very interesting, the amount of people that I think in general and in any industry, you're home now and you're with your partner constantly. So it's a little like, mwah. I was 19 year old.

Yeah, I'm constantly with a 17 year old. Well, it's interesting because the relationship I'm in now, it's starting when I was on tour. So she was always used to meeting gone. And with my talk, it's two weeks out, two weeks home.

So it's not a lot of time spent together. And this was two years of being home. She's kind of like, when you go back on tour, I go out. I get asked back.

You got it. Yeah, there you go. OK, so back now though. So when you go to being doing dressing rooms, tell me what that entails exactly.

What are you doing in these dressing rooms? So what should you not be doing? Well, yeah. So it's pretty much taking care of the band, anything they need from certain rooms that they want, like a yoga room to do, obviously, yoga or something, or a massage room.

So it's setting up all these different rooms that they want. But it can do, obviously, the catering writers, all the food is brought in by local caters. And also do their toiletries. I do their laundry.

I do anything they need to get ready for stage. It's not like a steward for the band in their rooms. Yeah. And you cover the entire band.

It's not like one person for a one band. Yeah, it's like a lot of fucking work too. It is a lot of work. It's a lot of fucking work.

And it's funny because with some bands, there's like one person that is a little bit more. Precious? Sure. A little precious.

Yeah. And so you go to make sure, like, it's a lot of politics too. You don't want to piss off this guy by spending more time with this guy. And you don't want to do it.

So it's pretty older businesses that have been together for a really long time, right? There's probably a lot of resentments built up over 50 years of fighting together, and a little bit of fighting. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

And is anyone that you don't have to say who it was, but have you ever been super reamed out by any of these people? I don't know. It's pretty good to do jobs. So I'm not implying that.

Yeah. I mean, I've been doing it 20 years. I hope I'm good. No, but I will say, like, you're close with the band members.

And do they get angry? Like, human beings? Yes, of course. And if something's not perfectly right, sure.

But I don't remember any specific time, I guess, where someone will sit me down and be like, I can't believe that you might not have to aspire to you. In that case, like, I mess up that bad. Do you have a superior who they would go to to the yellow instead? Or are you kind of a superior in that?

Yeah, they would go to me. Yeah, they would be. I mean, I have a boss. Like, the first manager is my boss, I would say.

But yeah, I mean, I know the guys well enough that if they had an issue with me, they would come to me and be like, mm. Yeah. Like, I mean, it's very simply like, even just, and it wasn't a yelling at it. One of the guys came up to me in December and was like, I like this room.

It's kind of a meditation room. Can it not be so close to, we also have a room that, you know, people, a lot of guys, women in the like, rehearse and practice and whatever. And it's got kind of loud. And he was like, can you not put that room so close to the rehearsal room?

And I was like, totally. No problem. It makes sense. Yeah, like it makes sense.

But some of you just read the whole request and not going to be temper tantrums. No, at least guys are older too, right? So they're not like a hot hit at 20 year old. That's certainly right.

Yeah. And I've heard the stories. And I'm very thankful that I'm working with them older. Right.

Yeah. Back in their heyday. Well, that's interesting because I think you can almost go to the other way too. Like, I mean, they're so used to getting pampered their whole lives that you can still hear about like someone like, I'm John being a brat, right?

Even though he's in his like, like, steppiece or whatever. So, yeah. But I guess it's all their personalities as well. So, yeah.

It's sort of used to a certain type of treatment for many, many years or not quite used to it yet. And thinking you're a big deal. But you've also did tour management for the Canadian tour for Van Halen. That sounds like an interesting tour.

That was a short one. It was replacing someone who couldn't finish the tour. And I think she'll go do dancing with the stars. So she left and she asked me to take her place.

And it was, again, it's a different sort of side of thing. So tour management is more traveling with the band and making sure their hotels are what they want. So it was at the time when the sun came originally, Wolfie? Oh, Wolfie played bass?

Yeah. When Wolfie was playing bass. So what year was this? It was about five, six years ago.

No, it was 2007. I think it was in December, I think. But I could be wrong on that. It was singing out the story.

It was daily rock. But I never really had to take care of him because he had his own bus, his own crew. And he just did something. He never had the band.

Yeah. So I never really saw him. But the other three, Wolfie needed to be close to his dad in the hotel. And just, you know, he'd be things like that.

And he'd have to play video games. So he always had to have a TV that he'd plug into his video game. So he'd really take care of the band and make sure they have everything they need at the hotels. So that seems like maybe a little less personal interaction than when you're doing the dressing room.

Yeah, I guess so. It's less about the show. Whereas the dressing rooms are more about the show and making them happy and comfortable so they go out on stage and they're like, pumped and ready to go. Whereas it's getting them to the venue and back and making sure they're OK outside of the show.

So it's kind of, it's a difference. And so when you're on tour with them, you're staying on the bus the whole time? Or now that you're in the dressing room situation, you get to stay on the hotels? We're still busing.

There's some tours. In Southern America, you can't get buses. So you fly everywhere. And on some tours, you get the band will fly together with the crew because it's just easier to rent one big plane and fly places.

So everyone's on that one plane. And you know, band roll gets first class and entourage. They get the business class and we get the back of the plane. Right.

But it always works out because usually they give you a full row so you can lay down and sleep and whatever. It's more tired and rather buses because you can actually get in your bunk and get some sleep. Whereas if you're flying all the time, you're up all the time and you're waiting for your plane and you're just constantly just not sleeping. Right.

What's the part of you seeing on these buses that you're doing? Like I know obviously you need to sleep at some point. You're working a lot of days probably. You're just tired a lot.

But is there still a lot of partying that happens after the show? You must have something rattle in. Well, that's just it. Like after the show, you load out and you just push in cases and you're sweating and you go have your shower and then you want to release the day.

So yeah, everyone like, wine bottles open, the Jack Daniels comes out. Yeah. I would say other things I don't personally partake in. Right.

The back lounge is the back lounge. For a reason. And yeah, there's some pretty epic parties. Like hit dance parties and just, yeah, some crazy times.

What's the longest amount of time you've been on tour with one band in one thread? It was five months. Yeah, just like all through the summer we did Europe. And that was Metallica or like songs?

That was songs. So the other like we ever had the back of stage was like, not brown sugar tonight, please. OK. LAUGHTER No.

No. It's got to be funny. Sometimes it's so like the days are so long. And then they just get longer when you're out there for five months.

It's just so like, yeah, by the end of that five months, you hate everyone you work with. You hate the band. You hate the songs. Yeah.

It's just like, oh, enough. As soon as you turn around the radio, you hear. That's awesome. You're like, oh, fuck.

Yeah. We fans have any of these bands before you started working for them. We're like, oh, this is awkward. I could say yes.

I knew. But not like super fan. So that's like all of a sudden from like, maybe you would never choose listener only songs on your free time to listening to them every single day of your life. Yeah.

Yeah. I knew the stones. I like sort of their older style. Like, and Metallica knew the black album, but nothing else.

I had no idea. I didn't even know what they looked like. I go down to their studio to meet them. And I'm getting introduced.

Oh, this is James. I feel like, oh, oh, oh. What do you do? He's like, I'm the either-serif.

I had no clue. And I just got their new basses, Robert Shapiro. So I had no clue who he was. And everything was just on a tendency.

Who? I know. OK. So what was the kind of music you were listening to before you started doing this?

Like, what would you say was your wheelhouse? There's always me an idea, like how far off you were. Yeah. I was at the time really alternative indie stuff.

I was really into just going to see live shows in clubs. So I'm just a smaller band. I haven't been discovered yet. So only you knew about them and they were everywhere.

I felt very wrong. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I'm sure it was the exact same experience with the snow.

Yeah. That's when I got my band. You know, there were a couple of them to think. They might pick it.

So did you also want to tour with John Melencamp? And now you're back to catering with him on that? Yeah, that was the same catering company. And the owner, Peter Borne, he called me.

He doesn't really do catering anymore, but we need someone. And I was like, that's a, I was in between tours and I wasn't doing anything. The only issue with it was that it was all Canada and it was in February. Right.

And it was freezing cold. When you're in catering, often you're where you're cooking and getting things ready is in the loading dock. Right. So it's just freezing.

I was going to ask him about that. Yeah, like that's because, yeah, what else would you do it really? Yeah. Yeah.

So the doors always open. Yeah. Oh, shit. And when you're catering, your hands are constantly wet and then dry and wet and dry.

And the freezer, like every single one of my fingers were cracked open. Everyone had cold. Yeah. I took a picture of all the things I was taking, like, like, night quilt, day quilt.

It was like band-aids. And I knew it was foreign and were like, it just, yeah. Oh, that sounds gross. Yeah, it was a tough tour.

Yeah. But he seems like a more mellow personality. It's interesting. That one is interesting too, because we were told, and then the last day of tour, he came in, he was saying hi to everyone.

He was so chill. And I was like, that was your people saying that. I don't think it was him asking for that kind of use. Just like, why isn't anyone talking to me?

I'm like, oh, we're told to stay away. Am I dick and I don't know? Yeah. Yeah.

It's strange. And the reason I feel that way is, like, a long time ago, this is just a side story. But I was watching that show, Cisco and Ebert, remember the movie review show? And this was after Cisco died.

And they were just going through, like, with just different other critics to roll through with Ebert. And one of them, they started doing what's famous people. And one of them was John Mellon camp one time. And he wouldn't say anything bad about any of the movies, even if it was terrible.

Like, he was like, well, I'm sure what the filmmaker was trying to do. I was like, I just need like the nicest guy. I'm like, you came on to be a critic, but you can't criticize anything. Yeah.

Everything was perfect. Yeah. So the lifestyle in general, you've been doing it for a long time, 20 years. Like, do you still find that you enjoy being on the road and on the bus?

And like, I assume, like, are there a lot of people who have been doing it for as long as you? Or does the crew trend to tend to sort of turn over and you get a bunch of younger people? Or how does that work? There are a lot of people that have been doing it longer than me for sure.

But you hit a certain age and it's hard to keep up. Right. Your body gives out, like, sleeping in the bunk, which is, you know, it's enough to fit your body without it. It's not like you're sprawled and it keeps like that.

You can stop like this. And it's just, it gets harder on your body for sure. But do I still want to go and do it and destroy my body? Yes.

All the time. Like, it's just so much fun. And you get to see the world, meet people, get paid for it. Yeah.

Yeah. Just talking about that. Like, when you're in a city, like in a foreign city, do you have any downtime or you can go check it out? Or you do?

Like, how often would that happen? With Metallica, they're pretty go-go-go. So we might get like a dinner once in a while. But with the stones, because they're a little bit older.

I've heard. Little bit older. They have more time in between their shows. So we'll get days off.

Like, we were in Tokyo. And we had five days between the shows. It was fantastic. That's fantastic.

Yeah. So it's nice to have that sort of downtime in a foreign country. And check it out and see if you're actually experiencing it rather than, because I would imagine, if it's a go-go-go like Metallica, you're traveling, quote unquote. But you're like, do you really feel like, the cities must blend into each other?

Like, you don't even know. Yeah. Like, about people. Just running to each other.

Yeah. I don't know what day it is. I miss birthdays all the time. I'm like, oh, what days?

Yeah. Well, that's not what it is now, too, that I don't have anything to do. But it's just a little less good at glamorous, because it's just my house. Yeah.

Yeah. It's very nice house. Yeah. Oh, this is Dan's house.

Oh, this is Dan's house. But I say it here a lot. So I'm just going to say it's pretty good. OK, so in the times of even traveling these bands, what's the favorite city that you've had a chance to actually experience?

I would have to say that I love Japan. I love Germany for some reason. That really sticks out. I would really say I'm Norwegian, my father's Norwegian, and going to Norway.

I love going to Norway. But the coolest and best place I've ever been is Antarctica. Oh, yeah. We went down to Antarctica.

And it was in 2013. And we did all seven continents in that one year. And this was where? And this was where we had it.

OK. So that was an experience. Like, you're definitely not running in with cities on that one. That was like, oh my god.

You're playing a show for down there. Like, a research station. So that's where I'm going to do it. So we were on a boat with some contest winners.

And we went across the Drake during a hurricane, which was lots of fun. The boat was out of control. A lot of people got sick. But then once we're down there, it was just so peaceful and quiet.

And we played in this dome. And everyone had headphones. So it was an environmentally kind, I guess. So the animals couldn't just hear Metallica.

It was quite the time for the penguins. Yeah. But the penguins, it was funny. They were kind of curious.

They saw this little clear bubble. And everyone hanging out in this bubble. And they're just kind of walking on. Like, oh, what's going on over here?

It was kind of cute. Wow. How do you want to keep doing it? The other question I have with the road life is, with regards to your own personal health, I feel like you must be just shoving bad food in yourself all the time and not getting enough sleep.

Have you noticed anything with regards to that about how you feel on well or how we hold on to that? Well, yeah, it does get kind of difficult sometimes. The catering is not vegetarian. So sometimes constantly the vegetarian option is pasta, or more pasta, or the top of pasta.

So I end up just gaining so much weight. And I had to reel that in a bit. Because I just need a vegetable. So usually when I get home, I'm just going to create a salad.

But when you're dealing with catering, that's your only option. You've got to eat with some stair, right? Exactly. So I've had to start working out.

I have a trainer. I just have to get my body in the shape for it now. I'm not 30 anymore. Right.

And so the trainer when you're at home. Yeah. Yeah. Like you obviously don't have a lot of gym time while you're on the road, I'm guessing.

No, I try. It's funny. You can't. Some people can.

They really focus. And they'll get up early. And they'll go to the gym before a big long day. But I'm like, I can't do it.

I'm exhausted. And I have to be there. Like, let's see the carpenters. As soon as that stage is set up and ready to go, they can go to the bus and nap.

Whereas I can't. Because usually when they're done sitting up the stage, that's when the band's arriving. So I'm just starting. Like I start really in the day, set up the rooms, get everything ready for the band, then the band arrives.

And then the show happens, and then I load out. So I don't have downtime during the day. So gym time? No, exactly.

If I have downtime, I'm sleeping. Yeah. Yeah. These dressing rooms, obviously they're going to vary in size based on what venue you're in.

But like, on average, how big are they for each of these band members? Like you say there's meditation rooms. Yeah. Well, it does vary by venue, of course, stadiums.

They have like, huge rooms. It's all the visitors, locker rooms, is what we generally get. And some coaches rooms and things like that. But I'd say with the stones, because they are older and a little cleaner, I would say, we get, sometimes we get the main sports teams, locker rooms.