Ep.01: Making the Art You Need Most, w/ Natalie Closner of JOSEPH

How do you embrace who and where you are in life, when none of it looks like you expected it to? Natalie Closner, of the band JOSEPH, joins Carter to talk about how songwriting has helped her find the words she needed to hear, rather than what she thought people wanted from her. Natalie discusses the spiritual experience of live performance; how she stepped into a more expansive and compassionate sense of herself after loss; and she shares stories behind the lyrics from JOSEPH’s new album, Closer to Happy.Pre-save and listen to Closer to Happy, JOSEPH’s new album.See Natalie/JOSEPH on tour!JOSEPH on InstagramListen to Natalie’s 2021 solo album, Fresh Water in an Empty Vase...How to Be Alive is hosted and created by me, Carter Umhau—an artist, writer, and licensed therapist.Subscribe to my newsletter.Join the waitlist for my signature Artist’s Way workshop or learn more...Music by Aaron Davidson.Editing by Hans Anderson. ..DISCLAIMER: While this podcast is hosted by a therapist, this episode and no other is intended to be therapy nor should it be considered a replacement for therapy. Get full access to How to Be Alive at carterumhau.substack.com/subscribe