Did you know that every day like ASMR can actually be healthy for you? Right now, you're improving your heart health. D.S.L.A.S. What happens when an artist decides to push the limits so far, he catches on fire.
And then, we take a look at the story of a young man who's good friend recently died in a car accident, which is already tragic enough. But when her soul decides to visit him one night, that is when the true horror begins. Today I'm decorating. Welcome back to another episode of TED, Rapid Radio.
I'm your host, Ace Gorkner. I'm having a great day. I hope you guys are having a great day too. I hope you guys have some awesome plans for the weekend.
I don't think there's anything coming out that I want to see as a theatre. And I'm also getting ready to go on vacation like an actual physical leave this place and go somewhere else vacation. So I'm trying to get a bunch of episodes recorded before then. So it's not a month with no episodes, but there'll be a couple weeks with no new episodes, but you know we're trying to get everything going over here.
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Bixbite Bongo, longtime Patreon supporter member of the Patreon Discord, sent over this awesome artwork of Dead Rabbit himself. Dead Rabbit is there at his laptop, his little recording set up, but you see the eyes spying in on me from the blinds. The CIA is trying to shut me down. We need to see more like the IRS, honestly, but who knows whose eyes they are from what shadowy government they're looking at me from.
Bixbite Bongo, fantastic work. Thanks for sending that over. Really, really appreciate it. Liam, okay, let's get this party started.
I'm going to toss you the key. We haven't used this vehicle in a while. Liam, I'm going to toss you the keys to the Dead Rabbit dune buggy. Everyone climb on board as Liam drives us out of Dead Rabbit Radio command all the way to China.
Okay, I'm going to dust all the way to China. Specifically, we're headed all the way to Kunming China. We see this art gallery and there's all these people dressed up nice for the art exhibit thing. And we're like pushing through the crowd.
There's a lot of people here. We're like pushing our way through the crowd. We're like, what? Every often we poke our head up.
And we kind of see that they're all watching this dude kind of stand in the middle of this crowd. Come on, man. Keep moving our way through the crowd. Get out of the way.
Get out of the way. And we finally push our way up front. The police are on their way. We got multiple casualties to get front-row seats.
We're standing there now right in front. We see this artist. His name is he, Jan Chang. And he's standing there.
He's looking at the crowd and he goes, welcome everybody to my art exhibit. You guys might know me. I'm he for today's performance. You know, I don't think this is kind of performance artist Jason.
I was hoping he was like an artist like bait and stuff. I don't know why we were in such a direct sense saying bait. What? I say you think that all art has to simply be on the canvas or molded with the hands.
I'm talking so loudly. Everyone's like, get ready to say it. I was like, what? No, some art is performance art.
That's where you just do crazy stuff. And people clap their hands afterwards. And you're like, yeah, Jason, performance art is kind of lame. You say and I go, I go, well, you're right.
Sometimes it is, but this man's going to set his clothes on fire and he's going to call a performance art. And everyone's like, totally like, you can feel the energy in there. Like, this is China's premier performance artist. You see, he standing there and he goes, you guys, thank you for the stampede.
And I know a couple of people have been injured. I was surprised so many people were going to show up. Probably got a bigger gallery today. You're right.
I heard mumbling in the crowd. It's going to be that thing where I set my clothes on fire to be a performance art. I call close on fire. We're sitting there and we go, wait a second.
Where are the clothes? Where are the clothes? We're expecting to see a violent clothes. He's like, I could donate these to Goodwill, but I figured out it's too much work instead.
I'm going to delts them in kerosene and ignite them in the middle of the gallery. We're standing there and we're looking and waiting for a pile of clothes on the ground. We're like, what? And that is when he sets the clothes on fire, the clothes that he's currently wearing.
And he's just burning up. Surprisingly, this wasn't his last piece of performance art. I'm assuming he covered himself in some sort of fireproof gel. I don't think he was like for my first and last piece of art.
It's man screaming. He said his clothes on fire while he was wearing them. Now, that's pretty bull. I mean, go big or go home.
He's definitely taking that to heart. He's setting his clothes on fire while he's wearing them. Now, the thing with performance art is that there's usually a purpose behind it. There's usually a purpose.
Usually it's like, I want to strike a blow against capitalism. So I'm going to set my clothes on fire. Or, you know what, tariffs in China, they've gotten a little high over the years. I think I'm going to set my clothes on fire.
Or, you know, I really like that movie fire starter. Here's my homage to it, where I will start a fire on myself. I couldn't really find why he was doing all the particular things he was doing. Some of them we kind of have an origin story for.
But I also have a feeling that this guy is unwittingly fighting the audience into his pain fetish. I think he just might really like being hurt and likes to be able to watch. He sets his clothes on fire. That's one of his performance art things.
Another one, he goes, you know what, I got another piece of art for you guys. I just point the doors to lock. It's like, all of a sudden, we're drafted by Jigsaw. He's like, oh, no one's leaving.
No one's leaving this thing. As he's putting his clothes out, he's putting the fire out and the medics are treating to his multiple burns. He goes, medics, medics, no, no, not yet. He goes, I have another piece of artwork I want to do in front of you.
In this one, these are all real. By the way, he didn't do them back to back. He's not that crazy, but he did do these over the span of his career. He's still alive, surprisingly.
One of them, he goes, you know what, I have a concept for some art thing I want to do. He's all just thinking of the most painful things possible. He's like, ooh, la la. I got to figure out a way to make this art is one of his art shows as one of his art projects.
He had a doctor right there. You know, it's going to get intense. If he didn't have a doctor for the fire one, this one, he has to have a doctor. And I had a doctor come out and perform a surgery on me where they removed one of my ribs.
And then they showed me back up. Now, that one you could go, well, I don't know if you're telling me the truth, sir, because you're like, go to the doctor. I can just say I went to the doctor. I went to the doctor and I had my liver taken out and replaced with a piece of Picasso's ear.
What was it? Wasn't that the other guy who lost his ear? I go silence. Picasso's ear is inside of me now.
And then I show an x-ray of like an ear. It's like a photoshopy. No, he did have a doctor come and take his rib out. And as proof of this, he wears the rib around his neck, like a necklace or a ribbliss in this case.
So if anyone ever goes, hey, aren't you the guy who got set on fire? I think he would know he's all scarred up. He's like, I have your guts. Yes, I am me.
You like an autograph? He's writing it in blood. You saw a guy walking around with a rib bone on his neck. You're like, oh, dude, that's the guy who got his rib taken out.
He also had this one. He called it Russell, one and 100. And he doesn't even see him. I'm like, oh, you're the patient's order.
Get in there, buddy. Push him up in front of the gallery. This one was, he invited 100 dudes to come up and wrestle him. Not all at once, right?
Let's say either way. It's pretty funny, but not 100 at one time. They had to line up and he wrestled them one after another, one after another. Now I read on the Wikipedia, they told us that he lost most of these matches.
So, you know, if you're going to wrestle under people, people are going to show up at the art exhibit, assuming you'll come out on top. We don't want to see you just like get beat and then you're laying there. And the other guy walks up and just like climbs on top of you and then the refs like doodoo, you win. And then at this point, he's not even moving.
He's taking a nap. He's also even just the next 97 guys just coming like kind of lay on top of them. You got to win it. You got to win more of them.
I think that if he didn't, he should have to do it again, like the next day or something. And he saw him down being an artist. The coach is like, no, we got to sign up. Yeah, 100 more fights today.
He, they said that he mostly lost out of 100. He lost the majority of them, which I would also argue it's probably art to wrestle if you're missing a rib and have recently been set on fire. But anyways, he wrestles all these guys. He mostly loses.
In China, people love this dude. People love this guy. I guess it's the closest they have to Johnny Knoxville. But also he's saying, no, no, no, no.
He's like, that's a great idea. But how do I make that art? How do I make getting hit with the baseball bat and the balls art? He goes, well, if my balls were capitalism, he's the closest they have to Johnny Knoxville, but they don't watch him for the shock of it.
They watch him for the art of it. Uh, he does this thing. He's just a list of crazy things he's done. I find it so fascinating.
We've covered, like I said, we've covered a couple performance artists on the show, but it's been a long time since we've had one. He had this thing. He called it one meter democracy. And that is where he invited all these people and all these dudes sitting down and they're getting ready to wrestle.
They're all coming in their unit's hearts. They're wearing helmets. He's like, no, guys, they're not wrestling today. Not wrestling today.
He goes, no, this time, thank you for showing up. I have this doctor here. He's going to cut a meter dash in my body from his clavicle to his knee. This doctor's going to cut me open.
However, it's called one meter democracy because I'm going to let you vote on whether or not the doctor does this. You guys could just vote and say, no, we don't want to see you get cut open. Or you guys can vote. What do you think was going to happen?
They're like, Oh, no, this is fine. I'm going to vote to not have anything unusual happen tonight. They voted for the doctor to cut him open. Of course they were.
They probably voted no, actually, and he's like, dang it. And he like rigged the vote. He's all filling out little ballots right. Oh, no, I'm going to get cut open.
The doctor cut him from the clavicle to the knee with no anesthesia. He's just like, I don't know if he's screaming the whole time. He's probably paying dollars at this point. He's like, well, I did get beaten and wrestling just yesterday.
I think I'll be fine. Maybe he screamed a little bit. He had this thing. One of his projects was he had these light bulbs.
It's like, every time he started, you're like, Oh, no, you mentioned the worst. Like, what's he going to do? Roll around on light bulbs? That would actually be too basic for he and Chang.
That is like too much of an episode of Jackass. He goes and he orders these 10,000 watt light bulbs. She was strong light bulbs and he invites people back to the gallery. He buys season pass at this point because you always know you're going to see something insane.
He has these 10,000 watt light bulbs and he goes for this piece of art. I'm going to permanently damage my eyesight. So he turns it on. He's just stared into the light bulbs.
He just stared in the light bulbs. That was it. I don't think there's any art. What's the art of that?
He goes, well, if his light bulb is capitalism, you're like, no, now you're just doing stuff to shock people or just to permanently cripple yourself. He really wants disability benefits. He smokes 120 cigarettes a day. And that's not part of his art.
He's just a hardcore nicking addict. That's not even part of his that would be enough. If you watch the guy go come to here and you can walk around the gallery in eight hours, I'm going to smoke 120 cigarettes. You'd be like, that's the most I hope you think possible.
You sure you want to get cut open again? He smokes 120 cigarettes a day. He really should just say this is part of my art too. You see the cigarette smoke is capitalism.
We're like, okay, we should hit it. We're a problem with capitalism. No, too, buddy. He did.
He doesn't just do stuff in China, though. He went to Great Britain once and you're like, dude, it's going to be over. If you're thinking of all this stuff, you're like, maybe he'll strap himself as a stone engine be there until the next equinox thinking of all this crazy stuff. Maybe he's going to jump off big bin.
He's just going to kill himself. I mean, I don't know what the trick would be to that. He goes to Great Britain and all he does is be so disappointed. You can't go to China to see him.
So when he comes to Great Britain, you're like, yes, he carried a rock around the entire perimeter of Great Britain. I can do that. I can do that. I mean, he's walking.
So that's an entire country. I mean, yes, you can get coming because the rock isn't just the normal size rock. But I don't think you can walk the perimeter of Great Britain. It might take me a while.
It might take me a while, but I'd argue I could do that. I could also wrestle 100 guys. I probably lose most of them too. Now I'm going to think about it to be fair anyways.
He goes to Great Britain. He carries a rock around the entire perimeter. He also, he went somewhere else. I forgot where it was.
He went somewhere else and he just lay on the ground until grass grew around him. Like he planted some gardeners like, yeah, he's attacking him with a break. He's like, no, this is art. This is art.
I mean, come on, man. You've kind of set the bar pretty high. You should be like, I'm going to sit here until the grass grows and every hour I'm going to get sprayed, sprayed in the face with a weed killer. There you go.
Yeah. But no, he just laid there until grass grew around him. The government of China is actually pretty okay with his stuff. You know, it's shocking as it is.
They go. It's not really super political. It doesn't make a lot of waves. We're fine with it.
You can kind of do whatever he needs to do. You know, when he, one of the things he did was he encased himself for 24 hours in quick setting concrete, the government, the Chinese government, that's not going to cause a riot. You're just in there. You're doing okay.
And he's like, yeah, he's given the thumbs up and no one can see it because he's in concrete. And they're like, okay, I mean, they're, they're pretty okay with them. In fact, the United States has had a bigger issue with him than the government of China had. He's had two art shows ended in America when he came to America to do his show twice.
The government officials had an intervene. One of them was he was standing on the edge of Niagara Falls, which is extremely dangerous. People fall off that not every day. It's not super common, but it's super dangerous.
He decided I'm going to stand on the edge of Niagara Falls. And you go, well, I mean, yeah, it's dangerous. But you know, why did the government end the show? Well, he was doing it naked place and this guy's like, I'm going to stand out here naked.
The government's like, you can't do that. We actually have laws against public nudity. We have laws against dangerous stuff too. Like you can't base jump off of the building in downtown, but you also can't be naked.
So the government came in, the US government came in and goes, dude, come on, man, what's going on? And he's like, oh, you have to catch me first. He's standing there naked. You're like, I don't think we're going to send any agents out to get you.
I guess you can come back. Like, we're not going to end the show because we're not going to rush to get on a boat and go to the edge of Niagara Falls there. Anyways, they put a stop to that show, however they did that. The second time they did it, he decided to play majong with bricks, with these giant bricks.
It was actually this massive game of majong that he's trying to play. The government's like, you can't do that. And he's like, why not? I'm just playing like, if my job is shining was capitalism and they're like, there's nothing to do with the politics.
He was playing at naked. He was out there wherever this was at. He's in public apparently, but he was doing it naked. The government's like, you can't be walking around naked.
I don't know why you're doing it here. You're never naked over in China. He goes, well, there was that time I didn't send my clothes on fire. I became naked after that when all of my clothes burned off.
But yeah, he's been busted twice in America for being naked related to his art. There was an art critic named Judith Nelson. I found this quote, and this is kind of how she feels about it. She said, he yun-chang is an alchemist of pain.
That's a good title on the episode. He yun-chang evidently believes that pain and extreme discomfort deliberately planned and willingly undergone have a transcendent quality. And that it is this quality that raises mere action to the level of art. His performances serve as silent rebukes to contemporary Chinese society, where people want to go all kinds of suffering for money precisely because they see money as the ultimate protection against suffering.
Nah, I think he's just into pain. I think he likes to be hurt. I think you can read anything into art fair enough. I mean, the Chinese government, they're totally fine with it.
So they don't really think that he's making any broad point about how exploited the Chinese population is. I think he just likes me and hurt. I think if you ever caught this guy on a day off, he's sitting at home, he's show up to his house. He's like, hey, guys, would you like some tea?
And you look and there's like tax scattered all around the house. And he's walking around, he's naked. He goes, sorry, I wasn't wearing anything. All my clothes burned up.
I did that show a lot. He could shoot, shoot us off before you come inside. We're like, ah, I don't know. We'll keep him on.
He's like, actually, no, it is customary. You got to take him off. There are all these tax everywhere. And he's drinking tea out of like busted and then glued together teacups on jagged shards.
Everything are poking out of it. We're like, ah, I don't think we'll have any tea. He's like, are you sure? It's probably not.
It's all boiling. You can see it boiling. He's like slowly zippin it. Yummy, yummy.
I think this guy just loves pain. Whether or not anyone's watching him, he probably puts himself in the most painful of scenarios. And so that's the story of he yunching. Absolutely fascinating.
Again, it's been a long time since we've covered a performance artist. I love it. I think we've only done it three or four times each time they seem to get weirder and weirder. And this guy, as far as I can tell, takes the cake.
But this cake is made out of fiberglass. Take a big bite, boys. Pain's on the menu. I was like, no, no, that was your eating fiberglass.
You're like, okay, Jason. It's like, no, no, no, it's just the joke. Your mouth is bleeding. Look at me.
Mom, I'm an artist. I'm gonna go roll around. I'm a broken glass now and maybe get $10,000 from an art gallery for it. Liam, Liam's back.
Liam was one of the guys who lost to he and Changi. Sorry, Liam. He's like, I didn't expect a result. This guy, he pushed me into a crowd of 99 men to wrestle this artist.
We're getting Liam out of the hospital. He is at wrestling-related injuries. Sorry, bro. I don't know that was going to happen.
He saw what happened with the rest of the guys. He's like, oh, what? You're eating fiberglass? I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Where did we go? What happened? Where are we? Liam, don't worry about it.
Don't worry about it. Are you okay to fly the carboner copter? He's like, yeah, sure. Liam, I'm gonna touch the keys to the world famous carboner copter.
Let's everyone climb on board as we leave behind China. Liam, why us all the way out to a house in the suburbs? Let's go ahead and land this carboner copter at the house here. We're at his house in the suburbs.
We're heading back to the year 2017. And we're about to meet a young man. He didn't post his real name. We're gonna call him Mark.
And Mark has just gotten some devastating news. One of his best friends, who we will call Valerie, one of his best friends for years, really, really, really close friends, died in a car accident. That sudden, unexpected death, that phone call at 11 p.m. and the sorrow and the grief and the questioning, the bargaining, all of that stuff.
It's so hard when you lose somebody that close to you. Mark's having to deal with all this stuff. I don't know how old Mark is in this story. He's living at his dad's house.
I'm thinking teenager to maybe mid 20s. I know that's a big, that's like a 10 year arrangement. A young man, either a boy about to become a man or a young man. Anyways, Mark is having to deal with all of these growing up issues.
You lose someone that close to you unexpectedly. It's just really hard to deal with. A few days after Valerie had passed, Mark was sleeping. He begins to dream.
And he has this dream that he is driving a car down the road. And when he looks up, he sees standing in the middle of the road, his Valerie, but he can't do anything. He's moving so fast. He sees her with such a little time to react that as he's driving this car, he slams into Valerie.
The second the car hits Valerie, she appears inside the car. She's now in the passenger seat next to, next to Mark. And he's driving and he looks over and he sees her just sitting there. Mark looks over at Valerie.
And as Mark is still driving the car, she grabs Mark's head and begins to pull him down towards her stomach. She's forcing him to lean over until his face is pressed down right next to her stomach. Her stomach, though, has been replaced. What he sees instead of Valerie's stomach, he sees this giant mouth.
His giant mouth is protruding from her stomach and its teeth are made of twisted steel and broken glass. As Valerie is holding his head close to this monstrous mouth on her midsection, she begins to say, Mark wakes up in his bedroom, grateful that that was only a dream, truly a nightmare, really, a better word for it. He wakes up, he's comforted in the fact that he's laying in his own bed. But he's only comfortable for just a moment.
Because then in the darkness of his bedroom, he hears, he looks and standing there at the foot of his bed is Valerie. The mouth is gone. The monstrous form of her is gone. It's Valerie, the way that he remembered her.
But still terrifying. He knows that she is dead. He just had this nightmare that has in a way one could only say what's paranormal come true. Valerie is standing there at the foot of his bed and he's in shock.
He doesn't know how to deal with any of this. Valerie simply turns and walks towards his bedroom door, which is shut. And when she reaches the bedroom door, she walks right through she phases right through it as if the door wasn't there. Mark gets out of bed.
He's a pretty brave guy, right? I mean, I don't know what I would do in this situation. Mark gets out of bed and he opens the bedroom door and he steps out into the hallway and he sees Valerie walking down the hallway towards the living room and he begins to follow her down the hallway. And then when he gets to the living room, he sees that she's already headed towards the front door of the house, the door leading to the outside.
Once she reaches that door, she walks right through it. Like the door wasn't even there. Mark is standing in the living room and he's trying to figure out what his next step is going to be literally in this case because he's walking right? He's trying to figure out what to do when all of a sudden his dad goes, Hey, buddy, what are you doing up?
Mark didn't realize this. He walked down the hallway into the living room. He did not realize that his dad was in the living room watching television, just hanging out. Mark looks at the door and looks at his dad and was like, What?
What? And the dad's like, Are you doing okay, man? Yeah. Mark's dad goes, Hey, what's up with the lights?
What's up with the lights? Is that what woke you up the lights flickering? Mark's like, What are you talking about? And that's when Mark realizes that the lights in the house were indeed flickering.
He asked his dad, Hey, did you see anything? Did you see anything while you're out here? See, Valerie walking through the room. Dad goes, I didn't see that at all, son.
Mark said he didn't know that the lights were flickering until his dad had said something either. He was almost walking through a different version of the house. I think would be fair to say, he didn't realize his dad was in the living room. He didn't realize the lights were flickering.
The father who wasn't in the living room didn't see Valerie walking through it. He just saw the lights flickering and then his son walked into the living room kind of a bit in the days. Mark posted this online underneath the name cosmic far. She posted it back in December of 2017.
He hasn't posted anything since March of 2018. I don't know what that means. He's been devoured by Valerie. I actually have a couple interesting things to talk about with the story.
Someone asked them though, did you feel scared when you saw her? I mean, there's a lot of stuff going on, right? Just waking up and having her in the foot of your bed. That's creeping a different way with any other dream with the mouth and all of that stuff.
Mark said I was not scared at all. I was not scared at all. What I was was full of sorrow. He says that's what she emanated.
She was so, this was his quote. She looked sad and lonely. I felt sorrow not fear when I saw her. Unquote.
Couple things I want to talk about real quick. Let's start off with the most terrifying visual of this. It's the dream with her with the mouth on her stomach of the broken glass and shards of metal as teeth. It's interesting.
One thing that as a paranormal researcher, I think that we kind of have to navigate, and it's weird because you think about it on one. Here's the thing. If you're a biologist and you're studying apes, cool. Guess what?
You're never going to be an ape. He's all sad. He's like, oh man, that's why I was a biologist. He's wearing an ape state everywhere.
He goes, I thought if I learned him about him, I'd turn into an ape. If you're a chemist, one day you're not going to wake up and be oxygen flowing around. There's really not a lot. Is this building something chasing?
I was like, you know, if you're volcanologist one day you won't wake up and lava spills out of your nose. My point is, is that paranormal researchers, specifically ghost researchers, we know that we will all be these things. Every single person, whether you believe in ghosts or not, someday we'll die. And you may go, I'll die.
I'll just won't exist, which to me is a little bit scarier, but paranormal researchers, ghost hunters in the such, we know that when we die, we will either poof away, just disappear into nothingness, or go to an afterlife, or become one of these things. And since we don't know what causes ghost or why some people become ghosts and some people don't, we don't understand a lot of the mechanisms to it, there's a chance, it's not an impossible chance of your ghost hunter, right? But most people who die don't become ghosts, the vast majority of them don't become ghosts. Otherwise there'd be nothing but ghosts on the planet at this point, but we're studying something that we may become.
A mathematician is going to wake up one day and be the number two. He's like, oh no, oh no, my wedding's the day and my suit made, but any one of us could become ghosts. And so that's something that when we study it and we look into these stories and we wonder, how do you prevent being a monster ghost? We don't know.
Like so many questions with the paranormal, we don't know. The answer to this, the general theory is if you die a unexpected death in a particularly brutal or gory way, there is the chance that your ghost may appear in that form. And the fact that her stomach had a mouth in it full of glass and metal makes me think that when Valerie died of this car accident, she suffered horrendous wounds to her abdomen. Basically, the midsection of her body was broken and bloodied and torn open and may have even had shards of glass and shards of the body of the car jammed into it.
I mean, I don't know how violent this car accident was. I would argue that happened pretty violent. There's a chance that that was a mental manifestation of what happened to her physically in death. And when we look at ghost stories, not every ghost experiences the way that they died as a ghost but a lot do.
Soldiers showing up with their limbs missing, headless horsemen, right in the very same documentary, Ichabod Crane was a reliable witness. We have stories of that. Stories of the headless horsemen, headless motorcycle rider, headless conductor on a train, you know, like a guy working on a train got his head ripped off because he was goofing off on the side of the train, he was going 30 miles an hour through the forest. You see this account, it's all over the place.
Hanging ghosts, hanging seems to be one of the weirdest connections. A lot of people who die by hanging up here as ghosts and the ghost is still hanging. But if that's true, that's one of the most brutal ways to execute people because it does seem to linger on. Now again, you always have to go.
Jason is a surreal ghost or you simply seen a spiritual manifestation of a horrible act. So the man hanging from the tree, his soul is actually in the afterlife. You're seeing basically a recording of his death. That is a very common type of haunting.
This particular story, it seems like Valerie is not a recording of a ghost. If it wasn't recording of the ghost, you would see her ghost at the scene of where she died, re-enacting the car accident. This one, she's in his house and they're walking around. This would be a sentient ghost, this version of Valerie.
But going back to the wound, right? Like if she got this horrible wound, which I'm curious if Mark knew that level of detail to her accident. A lot of times when people hear bad news, they want to repeat the bad news. Again, it's a psychological trick.
It's something that we do. I really have to try not to do it, even though I have an entire podcast around doing it. Personally, when I hear bad news, when I hear stuff about people brutally being hurt, I try not to, because there's this weird cathartic release when you say, oh, yeah, it was horrible act because you have all these bad visions in your head and it's like you share them. You don't want to hurt other people, but it does help you kind of deal with it.
It's super bizarre. I wonder if he knew that she suffered a huge gash to her abdomen. Because that would be, I mean, imagine if that was the case. We don't know.
We'll never know, but imagine if that was the case. She did die. He knows that she died in his car accident. It turns out that she'd almost been cut in half in the midsection.
And then he doesn't know that detail, though. But when he drinks about her, he sees this mouth the best way he could describe it, full of glass and steel. If how you die, and again, not everyone's going to be going to go submit it, if how you die can determine how you spin the next 50 to 100 years or longer sometimes as a ghost trapped on earth, you figure you want to die in the least gory way possible. But then again, it could also be like, well, okay, I'm going to drink this.
Listen, you're like, oh, it's a great idea. Luckily, I have this arsenic. Leg, leg, leg, leg. Now, you're just like this blue spirit struggling to breathe.
That's how people see you for the next 50 years. We don't know because there are ghosts that die gory deaths, and they're totally fine. Everyone got his brains blown out and his ghost isn't leaking blood all over when he appears in the White House. So we don't know.
But it's always interesting to note, and that is something that paranormal researchers look at because this is a steady where you will become what you study. Possibly. I would argue it's probably the only science that does that. Maybe sports medicine.
Okay, maybe you really like helping people's joints recover and they go, you know, I can do this. Look at these lemmos with their sword joints and they're all running track mates. Sports science, sports medicine, and the paranormal. Those are the two sciences where you can become what you study.
Very, very interesting. Do we want to avoid having, I think just when they're not going to exist, I don't believe the ghost doesn't mean I want to die a gory bloody death. You're right. You're right.
But I think you did take that account. The other thing, whole rabbit up like this, the other thing I thought was really interesting about the story is very subtle. But you guys know me, I love the subtlety in these paranormal stories. Mark's walking through the house.
He doesn't see the lights flickering, but he sees Valerie walk through the living room and phase through the front door. The dad doesn't see Valerie, but sees the lights flicker. And what that means to me is I really do believe that when there is paranormal activity, people will experience it in different ways. And what you had was two people experiencing the same paranormal event, but they were seeing it and feeling it in different ways.
You know what I mean? Like, it's kind of weird to think about the dad was sitting there and something was going on. Something unusual was going on. Maybe he doesn't really believe in ghosts.
I'm sure he mourned the loss of his son's friend, Valerie. It's not like he didn't care about or anything like that. But it's possible he didn't believe in ghosts. It's possible that over the decades of his life, he kind of subdued, I think everyone kind of starts off with a baseline level of being able to perceive the paranormal.
And over time, either because you get told it's not real, or you get made fun of if you believe in it, or you just believe by your own thing, you go, you know, I read a bunch of books and watch a lot of movies that I've mentioned stuff like that. I don't believe in paranormal. I think people can tamp down on their natural ability. And I think society tamps it down as well, modern society specifically.
I think if you grew up in a household, in a culture, really, even where dancing was celebrated, where since you were three, whenever there was a party, birthday party, outdoor picnic, family gets together, everyone was dancing. And you're that little baby dude, and you're like, dancing in the corner doing those baby dance moves. And people are dancing all the time at all these different functions. And sometimes just like people are like, it's beat tonight, it's beat tonight, your family has like this little choreographed thing that they're putting on.
If you have a family and a neighborhood in a culture that celebrates dancing, you're going to be a good dancer when you're older, those basic, I mean, unless you truly are born with literally two left feet, because you practiced it your entire life, even the goofy moves, even just kind of bob into the rhythm, everyone in your family is going to have a baseline level of dance ability. And the more people who do it, like, let's say it's not just your family, but like I say, your culture, it's not just your uncle that do it, but you go to a party, now you're in high school, you go to a party, your friend who lives across town, you go there, someone turns on the radio, everyone's dancing, because that's just how you celebrate. You're going to have a better scale. I'm not going to say you're necessarily going to be the best dancer ever, but you are going to be able to dance better than people who don't dance, maybe like me, right?
I learned, my family was not a dancing family. The most dancing quote unquote that I did was when I was in middle school, one of our required classes was formal dance. So we learned like the waltz, and we learned, I don't remember the other names, the flamingo, isn't that one of them? And then the jitterbug, so like all of this stuff, we learned it and we never want to be supplied with, if you ever want to see a piece of plywood, try to boogie down, that was me.
I love dance, I love dance, I don't think I've ever really talked about that on the show before, I absolutely love dance, especially modern dance, jazz dance, that's the only time I can ever wear jazz and I love in the same sense when I say I love jazz dance, but I can't do any of it, I can't do any of it. When I dance, I either move my feet and my arms are perfectly still, or my feet are firmly planted in place and my arms are moving. And to me, that is I'm the guy who loves the paranormal, and this example, I'm the guy who loves the paranormal, but never really experienced it. Well, that other guy, I go, wow, that guy, he must have a special gift, he must have like a connection to spirit world.
No, he just grew up in an area and was grew up in a family that believed that stuff really, really early on, and they weren't immediately every time he goes, oh, I think there's a ghost, they think there's a monster in them, and they're like, well, there might be Johnny, there might be the dancing ghost, he's like dancing away, dancing away, Johnny, you know what I mean, you can have a in modern culture, we do not celebrate the paranormal, a little bit of a little bit of astrology, that's about it. We don't celebrate the paranormal, people think it's childish or people think it's fake and full of grifters and stuff like that. So we're in that, where was it going? So yeah, the dance, so anyways, anyway, I revealed that my love of dance, I love dance, but here's the thing, I think you could, I could, if I really, instead of just watching a few tutorials and going, oh, that's pretty cool.
And then like not doing that, obviously I don't practice it, right? Because otherwise, I think that the answer, there's some people who are quote unquote born with gifts, I feel that they weren't necessarily born with gifts, I think people who are psychic or can see ghosts better than other people, they weren't born with special gifts, it's that the gifts we were all given as children were not completely tamped down on or snuffed out. I think anyone could be a powerful psychic with enough training, I think anyone could be able to communicate with spirits with enough training, it's dangerous stuff, I'm not saying go out and do what we really know. But those pencils down, it's not time for Charlie Charlie, you need some spiritual protection, but what I'm saying is that as an adult, you can learn these skills as well, but you're going to be a bit behind the A ball, I would say, just like if right now, the age of 47, I said, you know what, I'm going to take a ballroom dancing class.
I'm not going to be as good as the kid who's been dancing since he was three, but he doesn't mean I can't do it. I know I'm talking about the dad, but you're like, I just imagine you guys sometimes you're like, I'm this little notepad, wait a second, what? The lights are flickering? A kid's dancing at a birthday party.
You're like, huh? He goes across town and he dances. Jason wants to dance, question mark, exclamation, question mark. I'm like, that's weird.
Okay, that's a little fat toy. I didn't expect it to hear anything. Um, we were like, what does it have to do with flagoring lights or a woman with her stomach ripped out? My point is that the dad and the son are experiencing the same paranormal event at the same time of their scene a different way.
The way I would argue two dancers get away from the dancing analogy. Imagine two people have a dance off and one of them is more open, one of them is a not even a better trained dancer, but just more open to becoming a slave of the rhythm. While the other one's more stiff, they never dance a lot as a kid or a preteen or nothing like that, and they're in a dance-off. You're like, something to have for Jason, we're talking about dance.
You're weird. You never, it's what? Six years and thirteen hundred episodes and you've all said it so you love dance. It'll be the weirdest thing you've ever said.
I think you guys know what I mean. Two people can experience the same event, but experience it differently because the dad has a different level of paranormal awareness that, again, it's self-limiting. I think more people can experience the paranormal. They either don't want to or because they don't believe in it so much, even if they saw a ghost walk through their living room, the very most they might experience flickering lights.
Maybe the room gets a little cold. It would be something they could easily explain away when in fact the ghost of their son's friend is walking right through the living room. Two people, one event, both of them experiencing it completely differently. And again, that's why I love doing this show is finding the stuff and discussing the stuff with you.
I mean, the fact that we're doing this for six years and I'm still enjoying it. To me, that's a win every day. We have not become a zombie podcast. So that's all because of you guys, really.
You guys supporting the show. I'm feeling your guys' energy to keep going. It really, really appreciate everything you do for the show. I hope you guys have a great weekend.
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