Ep. 145 - The Crown

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Episode 145 of the load bell has been a little minute, I've been away, full disclosure, I've been away, I went to Amsterdam for a week, it was very nice. And then after that, I went to Flav's wedding, congratulations to him and Ollie, it was one of the day, we've enjoyed it. So that's why I've been absolutely a poor customer, it's just not been around, I've been around very, very busy. But the bottle of boxing hasn't really been busy, it's not been a whole lot going on, actually struggled today to put together a running order.

But I'm joined by Mr. Zanon, he was very helpful in putting that together. Paul, how are you sir? Yeah, I'm good, I'm good, good to see you.

I'm buzzing after a nice little break which you thoroughly deserve. Thank you, thank you, I appreciate it. So yeah, there's not been loads of actual boxing going on, we've obviously got the big fight this weekend, the Kinella V H triple G, and we'll talk about that more towards the end because, I don't want to take the podcast too quickly. But the last weekend, I was actually really quite excited for it because it was the double header of Clarissa's show, this is a Vanna Marshall, as well as Meyer and Bam Gard not on the undercard for the Superweight types as well.

It's an all women's card, historic, at the O2 arena, I was really quite buzzing for it and then we're putting past the way, and it's kind of caused the country to come to a standstill. What do you think about the decision Paul for that show to be called on? Yeah, I mean, talk about last minute, I don't get the wrong, it says it's a tragedy when anyone passes away and obviously it's a monarchy and it's a very big sort of figurehead. It's probably the first time for many people, we've experienced a mourning process of this length, but one thing about sport is that when you have a lot of people in one particular place and space, we can be extremely respectful.

And I personally thought that there would have been any better tribute and to have had four arenas of people and stadiums of people shouting out the other national anthem. And I was supposed to go to QPR and not a big stadium, but we have about 18,000 or 1000 people, we've been delayed now. But in the O2 would have been 20,000 guaranteed packed in there for what was a fantastic card. I mean, the dialogue between Meyer and Boongarner and Savannah Marshall and Clarissa was fantastic.

I mean, it really, really good. You know, it's like, you could see, really getting under each other's skin, which really helps out the fight. So last minute call off was not great. And yeah, I'm generally disappointed that, I mean, there's a big danger here.

You're turning on a TV all the time and it just basically says, queen died, queen death. It's not been disrespectful. I understand that. And you know, she's not any more dead or any more alive than she would be 10 minutes before or the day before or the day after when I still read the same headline.

And you know, I'm being respectful here in terms of person dying. But my point here being that there's a slipstream of negativity that people can get into quite heavily. And if you take away that your opportunity to be able to get that adrenaline out by way of singing or clapping your hands or something like that, where you actually addressing, I guess, a negative episode with some positivity is almost like a natural yin yang in there. But if you take that away, then you purely have to reflect on the negative side of things.

And this thing, that's very healthy. So now, thankfully, it was a couple of days where that happened. But thing more annoyingly, what I didn't understand was that some things were on some things were not on. So, you know, I went to a music concert like that night on a Saturday and I was thinking, well, should this be allowed?

Well, you know, and then I think cricket was still on was golf fun. I think that might be on side. I don't understand why football and boxing. Run being cricket was on.

Yeah. And to have come together for that, I think it would have been absolutely incredible. Huge opportunity, missed. But listen, I think hats off to to the boxers and I've got to say that in comparison to golf and comparison to tennis and comparison to absolutely every sport.

I think apart from horse riders, people who've got to make weight here, these people are flogging themselves. Savannah Marshall had eaten absolutely anything. I've drunk anything for 24 hours. And I'm sure the other box is also ripped themselves down.

I think my cat, my cat, my mother as well was sort of, you know, really down to the bone. So to then have to put your bodies through it again, I think the dates been set in what five or six weeks time in October. There's no guarantee that every single fighter around the world or around the country, sorry, I say, that had to postpone their fight is going to be fit and healthy in six weeks time. Number one, number two, will they be in identical shape to what they've been six weeks time?

The answer is no, you can't, but it's six weeks time. You know, it's you might be in good shape. You might be in better shape, but you might be in my shape as well. I said, there's a gamble there.

I still do not know the logic of why boxing and football had been pulled back. It's not because they're not too focused sports, but I just don't understand why one load of sports could happen. And one couldn't. It's very disappointing, very, very disappointed.

Yeah, it was really strange. I saw, you know, Terry Doley who wrote for, I don't know, but used the right boxing, I'd be in boxing, I'd be in boxing, I'd be in boxing, I'd be in boxing, I'd be in boxing, I'd be in boxing. He made the point that police numbers, because there's going to be people kind of around barking palace and around the streets that a lot of the police numbers would be consumed by that. And that was why, and obviously football was going to take up far more police numbers than rugby and cricket, because rugby, cricket fans are sitting there, even teaching, watching their small, you know, they're not like football fans, I'm not like boxing fans, I'm like it's a different kind of sport, drinking pin for that.

You know, like, we do that. So that was the only reason I thought, but yeah, it does seem to be almost like a morning Olympics, like everyone seems to be in competition. Who could warn the most? And it's just, I'd be old and it makes me think back to the 9-11, which was this huge fucking tragedy.

And I remember in America, the WWE, it was two days later, I did the first live event after that. And they caught an issue show, it was two days later. And this was when thousands of people died, but one person, thousands of people died. And I think there's a value point that you've made there, but you know, having this period of just doing nothing, I'm not sure it's particularly healthy.

At the same time, we do have a lot of kitty and people are going to have their own opinion about having a lot of kitty. I think I'll save it for another time. And so I guess it just seems to be the mood of the media, it's not so much the country, but the mood of the media that we kind of have this kind of morning period. And I do worry about the fighters, are they going to be in tip-top condition?

Because like you said, they would have gone incredibly close to the way. At one point, the way it was still on wasn't it, they would go into have the way in and then very quickly they called the way in off and they called the fights off. So I do worry that six weeks that, you know, Maya's going to go back, she's going to fly back to America, and then she's going to come back and then she's just got away in six weeks time. It's going to be tough for her particularly, as well as, you know, Savannah Marshall and the rest of the fighters.

But, you know, I think they've got enough time. I think six weeks is probably enough. We still get the show that we were hoping to get the first time. And I actually think those two fights in particular, I think they're going to be great.

And I actually still really look forward to them happening. But yeah, we shall see. But yeah, not a lot in terms of actual boxing that's gone on really. There was obviously the Tasha Jonas fight.

She obviously unified the world titles, didn't she Paul? I left that off the running order. I actually walked into my head that she's one of two versions of the amazing that she's going to like mid-await considering she was a super feather. Please throw it Paul.

Absolutely. Incredibly nice lady. I had a pleasure of interviewing her. I did a long interview with the Disguise Sports Studios a few years back and that showed a great determination, you know, sort of super feather going all the way up to that sort of weight.

At her age as well. I mean, she knows she's knocking on 14 now. And when she's talking to Kate, it was a close fight. A previous one before that as well, very, very close.

That's an asset to never give up. And she won the one title and now it's up to the unification. And you could just see when the announcement was made. I mean, obviously she wasn't celebrating before.

She was, you could tell, you know, an air of happiness around there, but she's a consummate professional, probably been in a position before. When it's been a few close decisions, maybe hasn't gone away or it's been a draw or something like that. So when it was called out, she could finally release those emotions. I think a lot of people kind of released them with her as well.

And I must admit, I got on your tash notes. Well, you know, good people deserve good things. Unfortunately, it doesn't always happen, but thankfully it did her so absolutely chuffer. Yeah, no, me too.

I'm really pleased for it because she's had it really tough, you know, close fight with Terry Harper that I've watched. Kate, you tell love. Yeah, he could say she clipes very close against, you know, arguably the pound-of-hand best fight in the world in the world's position. And, but to go up and win a couple of belts that like, they're playing to her, she's talking about undisputed now.

Go for it. Go on. Go for undisputed. Make your money.

And you don't know after that. She might start looking at the winner of Savannah Marshall and then Chris Shields, which is absolutely wild because they're saying like bigger than that. But not bigger than her. And, you know, she'll have a guy with anybody I've ever known about.

It's actually step at times with people who will find themselves and stuff. And it was a strange card that when I actually missed the card because I was getting on to the Spurs again and get back to it. I'm sorry to that missing most of the card, but I was obviously the Liam Smith. I think I catch the Liam Smith fight in the main event where it was really strange.

Did you see it, Paul? Were you like kind of slits? Do you think you heard his ankle and then Liam Smith was kind of allowed to hit him twice while he was on the floor? And that happened twice.

It was really odd. What did you think about all of that? Yeah, I think Refresher just steps in and sort of says, it's tough on the tail with another guy. He's looking for a way out.

But we're not talking like Robert Duran here doing the low blow with the Ken Buchanan and you know, he can almost an absolute agony. It's different scenario. I think the guards kind of wanted out. And that was my sort of impression.

I think it was kind of building up to that. So I think the referee should have picked up in it. Maybe because it's, you know, it's Liam Smith trying to give him a bit more of an outing there and maybe more of the fans. But from an observation perspective, I just sort of said, listen, do you want this mate or not?

You know, so yeah, a bit of a strange one. I'm not grateful. I'm sorry. He's a really, really good fighter.

And he wants to be in fights where he gets definitive endings, whether he wins or loses. You know, that's what person he is. And he's 34 now, Liam Smith. So, you know, he's trying to get to that kind of last pay day, whether that's a fight with Charlo or a big domestic fight, something like Christian Bank Jr., the winner of the Bank Jr.

and Connor Ben. But he's trying to get to that kind of final pay day of 34. I wrote going out as a world champion again or making a lot of money, which is completely understandable. And so, yeah, he doesn't want to feel like he's kind of wasting his time.

The next fight now, it can't be like that. It can't be something like that. If I ever has to be, I don't know if it's going to be for World's Heart because Charlo has got all the bells and Charlo's got the fences to like, but it has to be like a final and a minute or something like that. I think, you mentioned near Back Jr.

the Christian Bank Jr. Connor Ben face off thing that they did. Yeah. Firstly, I mean, I always wonder why he's wearing that stupid jacket, Christian Bank Jr.

It looks like he's trying to save a few quidifies flying and running there. You know, he's literally got the baggage allowance on him so they can't say anything. Yeah, it's a strange one. I mean, you've been doing basically intentionally out in public, you know, eating stuff and probably sticking his fingers down his throat when he's off camera and showing that he's really not training.

Whereas I guarantee beyond closed doors, he's training his ass off. He's always in phenomenal shape. You do not end up in that RIT marble-esque physique by sitting there having mackies every day. And knocking back the Pringles until you're blowing up is that's not happening.

So the stuff he's doing in public is off the show. I guarantee beyond the scenes he'll be training his butt off and he'll be making that weight and he'll be making it sensibly. As he's always done, he always comes into the ring in incredible condition of his nursing and injuries. I'm sure he disguises as well.

He's a woman. In the meantime, sitting across the table, you've got Connor Ben in the wife beer. And you literally look like he just come out of Alabama or somewhere and they shut the cottony accident in there. It's interesting because you're also looking at two generational differences here.

You've got somebody who's in his early 30s and someone who's in his 20s. And you've got Connor Ben giving it a lot of the bruv and Chris Yubang Jr. getting ready to start crying a bit of Shakespeare like his dad. It's like I think an example being when they were doing one of the first face-offs and Chris Yubang Jr.

said to me, he's a bit bigger than I thought we were a bit smaller than Connor Ben. You know what they say about the bigger they are and that. And Yubang Jr turns around almost exactly like his dad and says, yes, I'm familiar with the term and I'm thinking here we go. It's some kicking off.

But yeah, listen, I, they're doing it all for the show. Do I think that, you know, coming back to what we said a few weeks ago, I think the fight should be happening. Not really, no. I still think that Connor Ben is very under qualified for this fight.

If this was a fight in Connor Ben's white category, as an example, David Avanesan, I think poses less of a threat than Chris Yubang Jr. does. And that's in Connor Ben's white division. They're not putting him in with him, are they?

Why? Because it's not as much money to be made for this. They're going to get paid stupid cash for this fight. That's the main reason they're doing it.

There's an opportunity to have siblings fight in. And that's it. You look at Chris Yubang Jr's record, what he's achieved, his two losses are very respectable, his wins, his very respectful wins as well. Some yes against the washed up fighters.

But a lot of them against him, you know, some tough on-bros on the line as well. And you know, he has campaigned at Super Middle and Middle going below that. Well, he certainly has a 4-1-47, not as a professional. And he's taller, he's going to come in bigger.

He hits harder. You know, a lot of people saying Connor Ben's going to hit harder. I don't think so. I really don't.

That power's not going to translate at that weight. And Chris Yubang Jr's actually got some boxing skills there as well. Connor Ben, I think there's one bit where Chris Yubang Jr. in the face-offs is, you know, he's never been hurt before.

Oh, a minute. He almost lost against Cedric Pano, you know, Benny Luxe, champion. He got his ass beat. Absolutely beat.

I'm going to fuck what they're saying here in the cards there. He got beat. End of story. He came back and he put a lovely show for what everybody's WBA milk chocolate into continental Bournville title, whatever.

And they, you know, got his boot for there and come back and beat him on that. But he got his ass beat by Cedric Pano and his eyes. He looked like he had anaphylactic shock to Bumblebees, you know, it was, you know, he got his ass whipped. So he don't even need to look for a blueprint there.

Yubang Jr. in terms of how to beat Connor Ben. You've kind of got everything there. I would hate to see Connor Ben get beaten up in his fight properly, beaten up.

And then mentally find it hard to bounce back and still think he's working through the gears. And he can be a very, very good fighter. I think he can naturally progress onto world titles based off, you know, his last last up wins against a former washed up world champions. But I think his tenacity is training ethic, his strength.

I think, you know, very good at 147, possibly 154, but at the moment, he's in a massive leap for a cash grab. And mentally could be, could be detrimental to him. Yeah, it's really, it's, it's a lot. It's a really strange decision on Yubang's part and on Mattrins' part, actually, because they find the feel kind of it really well.

They put him in with these former world champions and they've all been shot to beat. And for these beat them all, he's, it kind of feels like he's one of the last styles that they have left. They're one of the last opportunities that they have left in terms of Mattrins, in terms of mainstream appeal because then he's actually was lost to him right now. And, you know, he's looking to make the, you know, perhaps he'll make the fury and be able to blow with that in a little bit.

But it's strange for Mattrins, but I almost feel like Connebins' been going into it. He was very easy to buy in the press conference, very easy to buy in the face off. And Yubang just had me in stitches. I was rolling over, I was absolutely howling out loud when Yubang was speaking on that face off, because I've always found him a bit cringe.

Yubang, he's always struck me as one of those guys that didn't have any friends at all, who's a little bit socially awkward. And then he spoke in that and it was like Connebins' perfect foil. And he's looked at him and he's so much more quick-witted than Connebins. He's got some funny.

He starts talking about him standing from sex that usually does six weeks before a five, but he's only going to do two weeks for Connebins. Connebins said something like, oh, you think he's going to be walking to the park and Yubang quick as a flash then on a nice summer's day. He just had me howling. He was so funny.

And you said about the jacket pole. I actually thought it was really smart on Yubang's part because he looks massive. He looks massive. And then I actually think make some mistake going in there in the Wipeer in the vest.

Because he looks tiny. He looks tiny compared to Yubang. So if you have them standing next to each other, Yubang just looks so much bigger than him. And it makes me think of Jack Johnson and Stanley Ketchaw when they brought that fight back in the early 20th century.

And Stanley Ketchaw wore the little boots with a little picture of him. You see the picture of him, Stanley Ketchaw was wearing the shoes with a little heel on it to make himself look a little bit bigger. Connebins made no effort to make himself look bigger. He just looks like a welterweight boy.

Before I forget... Sorry, I mentioned before about a Chrissy Batchu and you're in there. Liam Smith, I had a little bit of a brain block there for a second. I mentioned about a revenge fight with the brothers.

I was telling you, Liam Williams and not Liam Smith. Ignore that part from earlier. But I'm not what you're saying. Connebins is trying to...

It's like basically you're curbing a chest down standing on your tip. He's doing the cobra effect. You're flat on the ground and you're going to stand up and hit and blow out your side bits and try to look as big as you possibly can. Whereas Chrissy Batchu is basically acting as the mere cat.

So it's nice to relax there. I'll handle it quite easily. I genuinely think he will. I genuinely think he'll...

His maturity on all fronts will shine through at the moment. That's coming through to mind games. James? Yeah, I think you're right.

I think in terms of the mind games, you back to 21 strings. He's not turning any lies. The only thing that was the light was that he said the critters with the George Rose fight was close. The George Rose fight was not close.

They don't think they scored the knockdowns on the night, but the groves knocked him down at least twice in that fight. Although I don't think they scored the least one, not down in there. It should have been scored. But that fight wasn't close at all.

The Billy Joe Saunders fight was close when he lost that one. That's fair enough. That was the only kind of white light that he told in that whole thing was that the groves fights and the groves fight was a close fight. It was not a close fight at all.

He was dominated pretty much throughout. But everything else he said was completely true. He said that Ben's not been there before. He's not for anybody before.

He's not been tested other than the Seju Paynap fight, which he'd write the point out, who at the time was. The champion of Luxembourg, who you have to remember that before was the champion of Luxembourg. It's got a population of 7 people, yeah? I think you could do a six-week camp on with the championship of Luxembourg.

I reckon I could, my fake hip now. I reckon I could be a chance of getting the intercontinental just in continent belt. Yeah, but it was really interesting. But actually, more than interesting, just really fucking funny.

I just want you to be really funny watching the kind of you bang. Having one string, like a little puppet and just kind of moving around again to do whatever. I think it'd be a great effort. Yeah, talking about puppets and moving around and funny.

So what else would be funny that was reading today, Eddie Hurnd talking about, and then we're going to come onto them later. But just sort of just a pre-comment to it. He's saying that a back-to-back loss for a pro-canelo would be devastating for him. Right, yeah, well, not for age.

He's just in his last five fights. He said two bats about losses. A couple of wins in a loss with Andy Ruiz in there. He's still hyping on about how AJ is ready for this.

He's hungry for this. And it's also different. I mean, for me, if Canelo was to lose, absolutely I'd want to see him fight again. Yeah, without a doubt, you know, multi-weight Hall of Famer here who has achieved more than most fighters I've seen during my lifetime.

I know you're a massive fan of Mayweather, but I'd say that he superseded everything that Mayweather has done as a professional here in terms of the weight division, the size of people who have always been willing to risk out to frequency of the fights. And the consistency of big fights. And so, yeah, a bit of a unsteady comment there from Mr. Eddie Hearn to say that it would be devastating to his career.

Really? Come on, Eddie. Come on, shut. Yeah, we'll find him.

I can't say that Canelo is a superseded Mayweather Mayweather to fight the division. Yeah, Canelo's not near that. But I take your point. Canelo's had a great career as well.

He's got some good wins. Undisputed. A lot of people throw that again. But that again is made with it.

He's not done the undisputed thing. It was never undisputed. It's interesting to mention that he's nine years since the Mayweather Canelo fight, which was for me was probably career-based performance. But, yeah, Canelo will be five years.

Let's talk about the Furi Joshua thing. How serious do you think this Furi Joshua thing is? Well, apparently we've never called him out. Yeah, apparently.

You know, it's an ounce of the on-site. They've got a contractor's been agreed on. Whether a pen has been put to paper. I always remember Colin Hart telling me, you know, all the smoke that goes on.

The contract's been signed. The venue's been sorted out. The fight is not on until both fighters are in the ring facing each other and the bells waiting to go. Anything up to that point, as we mentioned, McLaren, the other day, Clarissa, I remember she put out a tweet saying the other way in has been postponed.

And that was at about one o'clock she put out about three o'clock. I remember responding to her and saying dot dot dot. It's going to be delayed a little bit longer than that. So, you know, in other words, it's going to be completely called off.

But, yeah, in terms of Furi and Joshua, I think kind of like everyone else at the moment, we definitely like to see it happen. 100%. And, you know, you can never write off someone with AJ's power, albeit he's going in as a massive underdog here mentally, you know, especially after the meltdown, Paul Adams, you know, massive meltdown. And, you know, his guys let him do it.

They should have jumped in here and literally grubby tacking him out of there. Paul, about buyers, you know, buyers train as a shoe like if they need to. And then I can, you know, you can thank them later. We pissed off for a minute.

But then thank them later. But, so mentally it's going to be tough for AJ to go next if he does go eat and get Furi. But, again, yeah, it depends on what version Furi is. But, is it going to happen?

That's why I'm not too excited at the moment because a lot of these things happen and they don't happen. So, apparently I've heard dates for October, November and December with December being the hottest confirmed dates at the moment. So, I'd love it to happen. Absolutely.

Where will it happen? Probably they're saying in this country, probably not like. Yeah, it might be America because Tanya Furi can't go to America because the whole business of Daniel Canan, he can't go. Because, you know, he's got mixed in him and Daniel Canan is the one to Daniel Canan in America.

So, he can't go to America. So, it's either here or Saudi or somewhere in the Middle East. It seems to be, you know, I think the terms that, you know, we're kind of sent to Joshua Bercardiv, December 4, all the last week in November, and then 64 week of Furi. And then 50 could be in the B match, which I think Andrew Joshua should have yet fine.

He said, finds all of it. And I don't know what, I kind of sought, you can never believe what Furi says. Everything he says, Buri contradicts himself from one breath to the next. And it just felt like to me, it was like, oh, well, I'll answer today.

You have to give me an answer today. And I want this day and the day seems a little bit harsh, like sometime in November, he's just boxed. He's just boxed for a round. And I thought you want to weigh out.

You already want to weigh out of this. Just like he found a way out the first time that he was supposed to fight him and he ended up fighting while he did it at the third time. I would not be surprised if Tanya Furi found a way out making the way with Joshua. Not because he's scared of him.

I don't think he would be against having a complete layup. A complete easy fight next time out. Derek Jazza or a Mambo Shah, whose name was mentioned wildly. I think he's the top 15 WBC player, or maybe he talks to me.

God knows how. I can see if you're finding trying to find a way out. But if it happens, it's still, despite Joshua losing twice in a row, it's still working, Javan. And like you said, if Furi doesn't turn that up for whatever reason, I think you will.

But if he doesn't turn up and Joshua has the fight, I think Joshua could win. I think you'd have a 20% chance of winning. But you never know. What did you, we've not spoken since the Joshua fight, since the Usekki Joshua.

You spoke about the meltdown. What did you think about Joshua's performance in the ring before the meltdown? Yeah, the following. I thought you'd better.

Absolutely. Can we attribute that to Robert Garcia? Possibly. Injection of new ideas, new training environment.

I think I mentioned it a few months ago that I think the best environment for Anthony Joshua would be to have literally about three people around him. And he needs almost like a day to go. He almost needs a Vladimir Klitschko type character in his camp who will get him back to his roots who will kick out all the nonsense. He will kick out the people there who were just walking around in match-in-track suits saying yes, AJ, AJ, AJ, three bags full.

I think that maybe Garcia had a bit of that going. And maybe also I don't have Mikey Garcia had some to do with the training champs as well. Maybe his presence there. And yeah, new environment I think certainly rubbed off.

And there was a point there where he caught him at a few hooks on the ropes. But Usek slippery. He goes with a lot of punches. He was never hurt.

But he was never hurt as in any danger. But he was probably more hurt physically than he was in the first fight. So he got caught with more shots. And Joshua was willing to unload at close quarters, which he wasn't willing to do last time because I think he was worried he was going to get caught with Andy Ruiz style hook, which Usek doesn't really possess.

Usek can bang yet, but he doesn't possess the power of the natural heavyweight, so to say. But I thought it was a bit of a performance, but I still genuinely believe that if they fight another hundred times, you know, you could freeze the moment in time. I still think that the result will be the same unfortunately. It's just that this is a clash of styles there.

And Anthony Joshua, unfortunately, doesn't have the style to beat Usek. Yeah, I think that's fair. I think that the loss to Andy Ruiz definitely took something for Joshua, just the manner of it, you know, to be dropped three times and to be sucked. I think it's taken more out of him than it will ever fight as a Joshua.

I know the bubble being blown out of that air of disability. It seems to have taken a lot out of him. But you've got to worry as well, because I absolutely believe he would go in the title few minutes. I think he would absolutely do it.

No problem at all. Just like he took the Usek we managed. He took the Usek we managed. He could have moved on, built himself up.

I'd like to see him kind of rebuild, fight again because it's not going to run the problem. You know, fight a few fighters, get going again. And then in the 18 months he can turn around and say, Furies are coming. Because he's built himself up.

His stock is at that point where he can get his name going again. If you're confident again. But if the time is now, and Joshua wants to take it now, take it back and see what happens. I think it's good for Furies too, because I've said this before, I did the thing for sports rival the other week.

And I said on that, Furies needs wins. He needs wins against top opponents because he just doesn't have them. He has bad kids, he's 39 years of age. He's got the on-day wilder who some people rate, some people don't.

And he's got hit on white, he gets awful and shot a bit. But we'll see. I'd like to see it happen because I think it'd be a great event. But we shall see.

I also saw today that Usek, Alexander Usek, our champion, we should talk about the champion. I said that if he, if he, if he already fights Joshua next, he wants to fight wilder, which I love for that, I love him for that. What did you think about that? Yeah, again, Usek fights absolutely anybody.

As opposed to a lot of these people you hear when they're sort of talking saying, you know, I never think about losing. He said, you know, he's kind of like losing his possibility. He says, but I go out there. He says, I get my very best.

And that's it. And I think I think a fight wilder would be great. And even taller opponent and even more fearsome opponent has got a little bit more movement to it, banging power. But he's also an effortation as well.

You know, one thing we realized about wilder, if you get buzzed and he's instantly hit again after that buzz, then he kind of frees frames. So, so I think, yeah, I reckon we've got maybe a couple more fights of being treated to Usek. And then it's going to kind of, you know, age is really going to creep up. It's going to be one of those ones.

We're going to see him in a fight and he's going to have aged in it. So let's enjoy him for the moment, for what he could do our heavyweight. And, you know, I don't want to see him start. They're talking about our getting in with Joe Joyce and getting in with Joseph Parker and getting in with all these people, you know, Andy Ruiz, get him in against the very, very best at the moment and let him enjoy those titles and let him absolutely, you know, fleece the system for the money because he deserves it.

He said the balls to come up to this weight division and take on the best. So, yeah, do you want to take wilder? Bring it on. Yeah, it was interesting because after the, after the fight, Usek said, if I can't fight Fury, I don't want to box.

Like, if I can't box for the Undersbeat Championship, then I don't know, then I don't know. Which I've actually been rated in for. And there is a part of me strangely that thinks Fury doesn't want to buy Usek for whatever reason. If it's a style thing, a money thing, or whatever, but I don't think he wants to buy him, which is really strange because he'd be the heavy favorite, he'd be a semi-fairy winner, so he'd be just as he's far bigger than him.

But I don't think I'm not convincing once the fight was it. But I quite like the change of heart per music, but you've got to know what I'll fight while with him. If you don't want to fight me, I'll fight the guy that stuck you in your arse four times. Because to say what you like about the Untay Wilder and the Untay Wilder's boxing ability, that guy fucking hits hard and he'll give anybody a fight.

Oh, yeah. And I'd love, you know, I'm looking forward to seeing Box against Robert Hellenius next month. And no matter what, you want to watch the Untay Wilder fight because you know somebody's getting knocked out because that guy will not stop throwing until he puts him out on his face, or he'll put you on your face. Just one about him.

Yeah. Also another fight for I forget. So I mentioned about Andrew is I got himself into a very good condition. I say very good condition.

I think he was the same weight as when he fought against AJ, but a first fight, you know, so around the 260, 270 mark, I think as opposed to the 500 pound mark, which you know, had on the rematch. But yeah, he beat Louis Ortiz. And as you know, Ortiz, he bangs, he caused a wilder problems when they had their fight, you know, buzzed him. You know, he's got a wealth of experience as well.

He's, you know, he's used to spar with Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey and, you know, as a child back in the day. I think he's the babysitter, John Alton, at one point. But yeah, for Andy Ruiz to beat him. And he's brought him down three times as well, you know, genuine shots.

It shows the power and the speed that Andy Ruiz has got. He's an enigma if you match that power and that speed to his body shape. So yeah, it's a good honor. So good honor being back in the mix.

And he is a genuine, big threat in heavyweight again. I want to see if, well, if wilder who's a can't be made, if wilder beats, I want to see wilder against him. It's an easy fight to make the both of the PPC. I think that'd be a great fight.

I just lean towards wilder just because he has that kind of, he's got the high advantage, but he's also got the power advantage as well. But Ruiz, Ruiz, it's something interesting. He's like, focusing on trying to look aesthetically good. It's like visibly good.

And I just focused on being in shape for boxing, I focused on boxing. And I think that really suited him. Ortiz boxed, he boxed well. The scorecards were all very, very close.

And if you take away the free, if he was stayed on his feet, you don't want to fight. But Ortiz's punch resistance was clearly gone. You can see that the child's mark on the fight, but he's still a very good boxer, despite being there a hundred or six years old. There's two things guaranteed that there's a few things guaranteed.

It's like Deaf Tax is, Chris Williamson talking about designing, you talking about those old teases at H. But fair pay to Ortiz, I'd like to see him stop. But Ruiz, yeah, he can definitely be in the same shape because he's performing in Joshua the second fight with pathetic. But if he can stay in shape, pick up another fight quickly and have the wilder fight with the next fight, I'd be really excited for that.

Not everything has to be a wild title, good fights, good fights. Okay, let's talk about a couple more things. We'll talk about a couple more things before we wrap up. It's going to be a short one for us because we're going to have to wrap up.

Let's talk about this weekend. And actually, we were talking about running on an earlier poll. And I listed a few things. And I said, there's not really much boxing going on.

You said, well, it's going to be a triple G for the Undisputed World Wide Title. And I was like, oh, yes, of course. What does that say about this fight? And my attitude towards it all.

Again, we're still, some people are still probably caught up in the morning, the green morning slip string. There's certainly an element of that. I also think it's an element of, ah, it's the trilogy here, which I'm not sure if we're going to watch it. But we want to watch it because we're intrigued to see if there's anything left in a triple G.

But 40 years old. And I thought he'd slowed down about 10 to 15 percent in the end. I mean, I genuinely thought that it was like he was there for the taking by a faster moving person. If you combine the age with the fact he's naturally slowed down and he's moving up eight pounds in the net, it's naturally going to slow down again.

And the fact that Camello is obviously younger, CRISPR has campaigned at this division for a long time and cleaned up at this division. It doesn't really bode well for a triple G. I know he's never been to stop before. I know he has only two, you know, the only blemishes on his record have come from Viking and I like, but I'd hate to see him get knocked out or I'd hate to see him end up in a bad way or just to be honest, take 12 rounds of battering, which would be horrible to see.

But then again, the Intriguing kicks in. We think, well, you know, the last thing to leave a puncher is to punch and the lawfins always had a strong pun. And I was able to connect. If that timing somehow did, you know, come in in no short spurs, he was able to see something in Camello maybe in the way he was stepping forward.

He said, I can catch him with a hooker, I can catch him with an uppercut, or I can catch him with an overhand right, which is his honey punch. Then you never know. But yeah, I'm not overly excited. It's horrible.

So I'm genuinely not overly excited for this fight. I was overly excited last week for the ladies. That's something I'm really, really just good way to watch. But this is not what I'm going to stay up for.

It's one I'll watch a highlights in the morning. Yeah, I agree. I agree. It's not a design pay for you over here as well as in the sakes.

It's not going to do great numbers over here, four or five in the morning for a 40 year old blocking as good as he is or was against Camello who's coming off of a loss. I can't see many people paying for that on an app as well. I don't get along with streaming really. I'd rather watch things like fucking proper telling, to be honest, instead of watching something on a stream.

I think that says more about my bad internet than anything else. But there's always that risk of buckwering and that kind of shit. But I actually think there's a gatty war of free feel about it for me. And I just think that I was going to mesh and I think we're going to get another really, really good fight again.

I think he'll deserve it to win. I don't think it'll be a very, I don't think it'll be a close, but I think it'll be a really good fight because a lot of things are fucking tough man. He's got a great jab. He's got great power up, but he's slowed.

But Camello's coming off of a loss and a handy loss as well. He lost a bit of a hole. He lost comfortably. It's going to be interesting to see Camello seems quite ignorant about it.

He seems like, no, I won't buckle up. But he knows he must know that he can be quite comfortable with that. And it's going to be interesting, but I do find it to win a competition on the gods. Is that fair?

Yeah, absolutely. It's, as you said, we need to get Chris Anderson on here and a whole court when it comes to design because it's one of those things I remember a couple of years ago when they said introductory off or whatever it was, £4.99 for a month. And I was like, waiting themselves. And I was like, it's like going to last long.

Trust me, this is the big carabin dang would have been on. No, you know, definitely guaranteed for example. Trust me, they'll be going to inflate monthly charges and it'll be pay reviews. And I know what happened.

And it's all starting to pan out. Of course it does. You know, they had to start off as a loss leader. And now they're moving on to full rack, rack plus profit on top.

So I'm not excited this one at all. And like I said, anything I want to see from this is that Triple G doesn't come out in a bad way. No, you're absolutely right. The problem with design is it's an app.

And not everybody, you know, it's not, you know, the thing about having matrim associated with the the app. And so, you know, the thing about the app is that they're not going to be able to tag along to Premier League football. Premier League football was fucking huge. It's the only reason spies still exist as a company, to be honest.

Premier League football. They even lost the Champions League football and they're still the biggest sports name in England or UK. So by far, because they're not associated with Premier League football anymore, and it's just as either they're just hidden on this app, it is basically being propped up by Eddie Hearns Edo and a lot of fucking money that's being pumped into it really. And so, you know, it's a big thing to say to him as a personality and they get promoted because he promotes himself so much.

And they just kind of get the crumbs that kind of fall from the table, if you like. But it's not going to do well because it's on an app because it's on pay per view. And, you know, at a time of cost, everything else, people don't want to be thrown out even more money on another sport, on another way to watch TV, another way to watch sport. I don't think it would do well at all, but he would fight and I'll find a link for it in the morning and I'll watch it in the morning.

And I think it'll be great. I think this is not going to mesh. I do get this Mickey Ward kind of a sort of a get-free vibe about it. And Mickey Ward was kind of on the way out that they still mesh really well and had a really good bird fight.

I get that kind of feeling about it. And if a lot of people can get that jab going, you never know because that jab was the factor in those first two fights. And probably you should have won him at least one of them fights. I've got one first one.

Yeah, I think the first one, I think, I can go with the second one, I can go with the second one, on ring general shift. But even that was close. I think I might even sort that with a girl looking on the night as well. Just before we go, I've been seen it on the timeline quite a bit, actually.

20 years since Oscar Del Rio versus Fernando Vargas. For those of us that don't know about that fight, why is it getting celebrated 20 years later? It was the ultimate grudge match. Fernando Vargas was the young gun.

He was knocking people out for fun. Very, very heavy-handed fight. And when he went in with Del Rio, the beef was real. This wasn't sort of a faffing about sitting over a table.

I mean, if he's got one at a kill each other, I hadn't seen this sort of beef since the Johnny Tappier days of press conferences. And the time going into that fight, Vargas only had one loss. And it was against legendary Felix Trinidad, who, you know, Hall of Famer. But he had 22 wins.

And off those 22 wins, 20 of them were by knockout. He was, you know, I think that was Ed Ferros, which is the ferocious one in Spanish. It was a very fitting name because he was ruthless. And, you know, if you saw his opponent hurt, he wasn't kind of looking at him as a referee.

He would continue to hit, hit, hit, hit. And people were, you know, had some vicious knockouts. It really was. But Oscar Del Rio was obviously the more experienced fighter, older.

And a lot of people started to say that, you know, he was, you know, two losses at this point and saying that, you know, he was starting to lose it a bit and they'd get a bit older and seeing sort of, you know, some, some things in his armor. But the reality is that Del Rio was still tough as hell. And, you know, with a little bit of an early storm, but then came out absolutely raging in the second half there. And when he hurt Vargas, Vargas was, I think, kind of at a gas combined with maybe ideas as well.

And, yeah, he was only down a couple of rounds in the scorecard. So going into the 11th, if he'd have even that round up in the next one, then it would have been a draw or possibly even, you know, the nod his way. But Del Rio could smell blood and the absolutely win for it. Great fight.

If anyone hasn't seen it in a while, it's worth going in and watching it for the foot of 11 rounds while it lasted. Or even just watch the highlight. Absolutely brilliant fight. And yeah, listen, props to it to Vargas.

He didn't have a long career. He only fought 31 times. And if you look at his five losses, it's all Hall of Famas. You've got Felix Trinidad, Oscar Del Rio, that second one.

And in his last three fights were basically two losses against Shane Mosley. And then a majority decision loss against Ricardo Moorga, which was, again, a bit of a grudge match against the man who still loves smoking during the press conferences after. And probably during the event as well, you know, so in terms of during the actual fight. But the two losses against Mosley, I think, kind of signified to Vargas that, you know, had it.

And that was it. It's a fair play to him for Bowing Out. But whilst we were treated to Fernando Vargas in boxing, it was great during a golden era. And I was less.

Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely one of those characters and one of those fighters that you don't see much of anymore. But and Delio Hoya, he seemed to, as a fighter, you know, people have their opinions, like the personality and the personality. I forget all that in terms of a fighter.

He seemed to mesh really well with these kind of characters, these kind of personalities. You think about the Mallorca by as well, may we have a later on in his career, you know, the kind of, you know, Delio here was the golden boy, come from the Olympics promoted by Bob Arum. So he would have been media trained to death and he would have had this, this kind of would have tried to portray this squeaky clean image. But these guys is Mallorca Vargas.

They seem to bring that nasty streak out of Delio, didn't they? Yeah, absolutely. And I think the thing with Vargas as well is that he became well champion pretty early on. And so, you know, when he fought against against Oscar Delio, it was in 2002 and Vargas has been well champion since 1998, to 1998, around there.

And then when he lost against Felix Trinidad, it's worth it. I was just mentioning the losses at the moment against the big names. But, you know, if you roll it back in the previous 12 months before he lost against Felix Trinidad, he beat Ronald Winkey Wright. He beat Art Quarter.

You know, Art Quarter was a phenomenal fighter. I think he beat Delio Henry of memory service, right? If he didn't, it was a bloody close fight. But he beat Raoul Marquez.

He beat some really, really good fighters during his sort of world title campaign. But coming up against Oscar Delio, what was that extra level of elite? And he kind of got shown here. It may be mentally as well that might have affected him for the rest of his time because he never did win.

Well, again, it closely got to it. It was his first fight against Mosley where he was in a WBA light mid-away title limonator, so he stepped up in weight. And yeah, he got stopped in a 10th. Had the rematch with Sugar Shane Mosley.

Five months there, he got stopped in six rounds. So, yeah, the Delio Hoyette fight was basically, it's like someone changed her path for a Vargas. And maybe not a Varyshus, you know, El Carmo. And that's it.

You've done my... Well, thank you. Now, I appreciate that. And I think you'll be able to find the fight on YouTube.

The Golden Boy, but for the YouTube channel, you usually find a lot of the old guys, a lot of the old classic fights on there. So hopefully it's on there. Or if you are some sort of sick bastard, you're subscribed to design, then it's definitely on there because they have a lot of classic fights on there. Because you've got to get something for your fucking eight thousand.

But anyway, Paul, thank you so much for your time. That was really good. I appreciate your time. And hopefully that'll be you soon.

No, thanks for having me on. And yeah, listen up. What you doing? Scrolling?

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