Ep. 146 - Peaked

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Join us again by Paul Zan on how are you, sir? I am good mate. I'm good. I'm kidding, Cal.

Yeah, excellent. Very, very good. So I'm not very good at doing it. I'm not very good at asking for questions from people for the podcast.

And usually when we do ask for questions, we get pretty quick replies. I think we've got that ourselves this time because we're recording today, what is it? It's four o'clock, we're 20 bars now, but we plan to record at four. And I put questions at my court pass three.

And I thought, we might get one or two, you never know. We've got four questions. So I thought three or four. Let's start off with the questions.

So let's go straight into these questions. Our good friend Andrew Harrison, who used to write for boxing monthly amongst other publications. Bottom coming on the podcast, I see you, Andrew. His question is, where is Lewis Ritzen?

Can Joe Joyce keep walking into shots? And why would Matt from Go Head to Head with Frank Moron with their card this weekend? So let's start with the Lewis Ritzen. I didn't think about Lewis Ritzen and what he's doing.

Well, no, I mean, his last fight was in March, wasn't it? Against the Asia and I'm going to try to pronounce his latic cannon. Yeah, very cool. The one before that was again, it was a real tongue twisted just to get the name.

Ever since he lost against Joe, I'm asking the callers, one say, it seems like he's gone a bit with Slo-Go. And that fight was 14 months ago, roughly 15 months, something like that. So I've been a little bit disappointed. I'm really very good at stuffing.

He's a very, very good fighter. And if you look at the, the, the, uh, the terror, I'll see how it was, it was for the European title and it was a split decision. I thought, you know, he'd get a very good account himself. And, uh, and later on, when he beat Robbie Davis Jr, again, a very good fight, I mean, Gal Vasquez, same sort of story.

But, um, yeah, it annoys me when you see that he's had two points of that, because yeah, he wins like by, you know, he wins all 10 rounds, but, uh, against who and absolutely nobody. So I'd like to see him back in the mix again. Um, I don't know his, that case, he's got a bad promotion, who's managed to struggle into game stuff. But yeah, good question, Andrew.

And, um, I don't know where he is, basically, um, he might be working in a supermarket. He might be running a Rosaro's dealership. I don't know those exacts, but, um, it'd be good to see you on the, on the polyandry. Yeah, no, it would be nice.

I remember the patera fight and I remember being a split, but it made no sense. It was a split. I remember getting absolutely dominated in that fight in the patera fight. Um, but you're right.

He's not okay. He's not okay since then. Um, you know, the Vasquez fight, pretty sure he lost that fight. Um, but you know, got a decision on the cards and then he lost the Ponce again, and, um, he's better to kind in and the other geyser, he's name.

I'm not going to try to pronounce. I'm pretty sure he did he box on channel five last time out. I can't remember. He moved to box.

Yeah, I can't remember if he moved to box. I know he was on Euro sport. He was on Euro sport, you know. Um, so I don't know.

I think you're right. Paul, I think it's probably a promotional issue. They can't find him the fights. And I think, you know, Britain just isn't a big enough boxing market to have three, four, five big promoters.

You've got Frank Warren, Eddie heard box, you start throwing in Richard Shavar, you know, Mick Hennessy. We just, we just don't have enough of a talent pool to have that many promoters. And I think someone like Lewis, Richard has just kind of got lost because of that. You know, he's, I thought he was a boxer, but last time he was on Euro sport.

So I think he's Richard Shavar and Probellum. So maybe he's gone with the probellum thing and that's the kind of that whole business is meant that kind of Lewis, Richard and Scott got left behind. We'll talk about that. We'll answer the Joe Joyce question later on.

So we're going to cover the Joe Joyce, um, Joseph Parker, five, we can pray. I just add on the onto that. Sorry. Sorry.

So I was chatting with Alex, I'm a gun. Reminds me of the situation. You've just outlined there, which is, you know, you've got good fighters who would be in the mix with so many sort of domestic contests at the moment, or maybe European level. And they're just being decided to have a take, shift, fight.

And Alex, then my gun, he said, you know, you see a lot of fighters not active. And he said, sometimes it's three choices because one into eight and have a big pay. He said, but majority of the time at the moment, he said, it's wanting to fight. And it's just, they're not just hooking them up.

It's like, well, I interviewed Rocky Fielding a few weeks back. And I said, Oh, thanks a lot for doing the podcast. And he said, I know he said, thank you. He said, you're the first person from boxing.

I've spoken to him. God knows how long I promote. I was born to my manager. I wasn't spoken to me.

Nobody's picked up the phone. He said, I'm having to do it all myself. He said, literally gone to Twitter or social media to try and drum up some fight. So, and that's that's quite sad.

It really is. I mean, thankfully, good guys like Richard Maynard are out there and Lee and his building up his own promotional traction at the moment. I guess after the fall of MTK, you know, obviously affected a lot of people in terms of matchmaking and pay days and all that sort of stuff. So, but now, yeah, like I said, there's certainly a slipstream of good fighters who are just sitting there in their shorts and their were gloves on weight to be called up.

And not knowing if that fight's going to be in a week, a short notice of it's going to be in 12 months time. So, yeah, and I think you're right with too many promotional outfits out at the moment, it's become really, really muddy in there. You know, we went from sort of almost crystal waters a couple of years ago to looking around and going, where is it all coming from and where are we going exactly? Yeah, especially if they're not going to work with each other.

You know, you want competition. You want business, you know, you don't want a monopoly. We always talk about that. You don't want boxing to be a monopoly because then there's no one out there.

Keep they're not keeping each other honest then. I think it's good that this competition because both, you know, all the promotional entities will want to put on good fights in order to compete with the others. But if they're not going to work with each other, if you're going to have five, six, seven promoters out there, as well as all these kind of small Mickey Heliot types that are, you know, down there putting on shows as well, you know, if they're not going to work with each other, it really doesn't, it doesn't, you don't have a lot out there for guys like Rocky Fielding, you know, to get a fight. And do you think also Paul that answers Alex's question, Alex from Bristol, who said this in the question, what's going on with Buatsey?

Why do we occasionally see this type of stuff, a progression of certain fighters? And he gives examples of Luke Campbell, Calum, Smith, Anthony Yard, et cetera. Do you think that's what perhaps happens with guys like that as well? Or is that a different level?

Yeah, I think at that level, there's one key word, money. And especially when you look at the likes of Sagoatsy and Yard, you know, heavy punches, if you're going to get hit, you want to get paid handsome before it. Another thing they genuinely believed that, you know, certainly Yard has been in a world level when it was in with, kind of a lot of being a unsuccessful bid. But Buatsey, you know, we've heard about, he was going to be fighting Bivol then better BF and now that's happening.

And so in the meantime, they've got to be careful that they don't stagnate. And you've got to remember as well, they're not the only human beings on the planet. There was a new crop of light heavyweights progressing through at the moment. You've linked your eyes for 12 months and the person who's just been in the world of championships, something professional has about eight or 10 tune up fights.

That's blitzing everyone out. The next thing makes a bold move to suddenly have a go at a Boatsy or whoever. And yeah, it's a shame. I mean, we were saying before, there was almost a potential for that sort of mini super four, super six tournament in the UK that you get the likes of, you know, Spider Richards and Calum Johnson, Boatsy, Calum Smith, etc, etc.

But yeah, none of these fights seem to be happening. Instead, they're going abroad and taking a big paycheck. At the end of the day, I totally understand because if they can get a life changing sum of money, then Britain, because many of them may get to, well, tight will everyone then completely lose everything. But yeah, in the meantime, I can't imagine Boatsy's made millions of millions, with his current CB, but he feels to fight like Rocky Fielding did when he fought against Kennello.

You might have made a lot of money all the way through career, but then you have that one big defining fight on the big stage. And then that's it. So that's probably why these guys are not sort of taking the bait at the moment, you know, and being pictures with their big yards and Boatsy recently, Arm and Arm and stuff. You think, though, so I'm never going to fight, it's like Spencer Crawford, you know, when they do fight, they'll be retiring their pension at the same time.

Yeah, it feels like that. But those who particularly they'll become a retirement fight, you know, at least Spencer Crawford, they've racked up the wins. They built a legacy, they've done really well. And now they're going to, when they do fight, I think by all accounts, it's pretty much now that they're going to fight in November for the Undisputed World Week Championship.

When they fight, it's going to mean something. But when Boatsy and Yard fight, it may not mean anything because they've just sat on the couch with Todong. And Boatsy's an interesting topic. And I think I can see why Alex has brought that up today because it just came out just before we started recording the Boatsy turned down an IBF eliminated with Jean Pascal, which is a very winnable fight, I would think.

And he also turned down a European title fight with Callum Johnson, which, frankly, won the first bid for. And we turned down fights left and right in Boatsy. European title fight with Callum Johnson, which would have given him a good ranking, IBF eliminated with Jean Pascal, which would have gotten a good ranking. You look at it right now for him.

What is their foreman? Bivol's got a fight, Zodorimerez, that's his mandatory. So he has to fight him because Bivol's not for a mandatory in three or four years. He has to take it.

And better be if he's going to be fighting Anthony Yard for three of the four, like, like, have a title. So there's nothing out there for Boatsy right now. There's nothing for him. So you think he would take these eliminators or take a European title fight because you'd make him a favorite against Callum Johnson or Jean Pascal.

Maybe a narrow one against Callum Johnson. You'd still make him a favorite. It's just strange, isn't it, Paul? It's strange with him.

Yeah, and the things we're going to do is last sort of forefight. So, I mean, Craig Richards has been the distance with Bivol. Yeah, you know, it wasn't a close fight, but he gave him a good account himself. And if you look at Saik for example, the Marco Calic fight, so that was back in 2020.

And, you know, there was a bit of competitiveness in there and then obviously he'd write them down, sort of around sort of fiveish. But he did take some shot. So every fight has been a little bit of learning. And he's only had 16 professional fights to go in against the better.

But maybe it went for better B, F2, sort of hit 40. And look at one of those fights where he's not to slow down like triple G did against Molotting. All right, the timing's right now. Now we do it.

But by then, he's not going to get a fight because Bivol won the fight. And he'll want to get the marbles. And that'll be it. So it's in Boazzi's interest to take on the Johnson fight for European title.

Without that, because that'll be the biggest bargaining chip around his waist. So he would have had at that point. And it may be one of the other domestic rivals in the UK, fancy having to go with him as well and make big money on that. But yeah, it's a shame.

It really is a shame. You think about the likes of John Contag's back in the day, like Heavyweight, they went through all the belts as we say in our favor. Then going for British Commonwealth, European, etc. And then going for the world title.

But against really sturdy opposition all the way through. I hate seeing cherry picking and every certain bit of that going on. And how much it's with the fighters, how much it's with the management, the promotion, etc. I'm not sure how much of it to do with money motivation ahead of a lot.

Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair. And Boazzi's more interested to be Virgil Hunter. I'm not convinced about Virgil Hunter as a coach, really. He had Khan for a while.

He never really did anything with Khan. Yes, he had Andre Ward. And that's kind of like his, but I coached Andre Ward. Right.

Well done. And that's, I mean, that well done. That's a fucking great fighter. But you look at Andre Ward and I was talking about him the other day with somebody.

I can't remember who it was. Someone mentioned him and I said, yeah, but Andre Ward's really good. But he retired and he left a lot of money on the table. And he beat Kovalev.

It was like, yeah, cool. Go fight Stevenson. Or when he won the Super 6, go fight Butte. It just seemed like Ward was just okay to just go get out of the way.

Like he didn't, like he was a really good fighter. He was a really good fighter. But it's loads of opportunities that I think he could have had. And he had what the two years out with the shoulder injury.

It just seemed like he left a lot, a lot of what ifs behind when he left. Is that fair? I'm a bit of a fan of Ward. So I'm not a bit confident about it.

I think he done a lot. And there was a tweet recently when someone said, surely you've got one last fight left and you can kind of just stay inside me and stay there. And that was it. And I know that he did have sort of joint issues towards the end.

And but I think having Virgil Hunter in the corner, I think it's because he had him since he was like about seven years old, you know, sort of true in him. But let's be realistic. I mean, Mr. Bean could have been in Andre Ward's corner and it's still full of the same.

He's just that much of a talent. It's kind of like Joe Calzagi to an extent. You know. But yeah, I mean, I thought he'd for it in a Super 6.

I remember he went in as the at least ranked person in a no marvellous to bring to the table. Yeah, he won Olympic gold a few years before. But he wasn't the big fighter. He won the Olympic gold thing a year before.

So he was quite fresh into the pros. And obviously he won the tournament. And you know, when he fought against their car, for us, car, for us beforehand, said, he's going to get in his bike, you know, he's going to be like trying to nail him down. He's going to be like trying to fight Mosquito in there.

We did a complete opposite. He actually went into the trenches with him 14 close, made him miss and made him pay all the way through. And in Froch did say he wanted to have the rematch. But let's say Froch did really shout about it too much.

He said, yeah, I'd like it. But I don't think he wanted it that badly because Andrei Woz would have done the same thing again and again and again. Just to shame the timing wise that had it been maybe five years earlier, a wall against Calzagi, it would have been like a couple of drunken masters. And you know, I think they could have carried on that contest for a thousand rounds and each one of them computing information the other and working out different strategies.

But I thought phenomenal boxing brain ward could be a bit of snooze rest on occasions. Like, for example, when he was at the end of the league, we're not talking Haggler-Hernsett. The way he mentally came back for the second fight is what broke over left down. And although I thought he did lose the first fight against Koval, I have to be honest.

But I think he's paid a tenants, but due to rather short CV, there's always going to be the wives. Yeah, no, I think that's fair. I don't want people thinking I'm dogging on Andrei Woz because I am a fan. I really am.

I do this where he left some money on the table. When you're right about the Froch right, he made absolutely lunch and meet your Froch. And I remember watching that fight and thinking, God, Froch, look so slow. I remember thinking he looked really slow compared to Woz.

And to think that he was going to get on his bike, that's just lazy. That's just like, why would you think that? That's not his style. It was never a wood style.

He meets your ring center. He gets inside. He's a brilliant inside fighter. And it was much better inside fight than Karl Froch and that kind of showed on the night.

But yeah, very, very good fire. The last question, it was more a statement or a demand from our friend, Luke Horossi. Please, can we talk about Denzel Bentley and Bodyshots? So Denzel Bentley retained his British middleweight title at the weekend against Marcus Morrison.

Did you watch it? What did you think about the Bodyshots? Yeah, I did a big, big fan of Denzel. I had a pleasure of seeing him progress from Amato through to professional at Peacock for years back.

And the same polite guy you see on TV that Curtis Man, he's the same kid now as he was back then. Very respectful trainers, Assoff in the gym. He's still with Martin Bowers, which is a great loyalty there. And they come through the Felix Cash loss with Gusto.

And yeah, I thought he'd done very well indeed. And he's got a number of knockouts to his name Denzel. He's got a high knockout ratio. I think what people don't realise is that he's not going out trying to spark everyone out.

He just takes your opportunity as when it comes. And if he lets his hand go to the head and he connects well, brilliant. But he can do body shots as well. I'm sort of singing him on the bag sometimes, just like continuously smacking in bang bang bangs like rounds after rounds, just with the body shots.

And he's got a lovely little snap in it. You had that height that he's got in there as well. And he can really whip it in. So yeah, it's a punch I'd seen him do more in theory than in practice.

So it was great that I guess the general public got to see it again. See how steady opposition Marcus Morrison. So yeah, well done. Denzel on to the next outing.

And maybe you can go for a European title next. You know that'd be good. You know me, Paul, I wanted to see the British, win the British title out right. That's just how I always feel about British champion.

I always want to see him keep that belt. Win it out right and keep the belt. But yeah, I didn't watch the whole fight. But when Luke mentioned it, yeah, when Luke mentioned it, I jumped on.

He was kind of left to send me a link to the highlights. I could just quickly watch the highlights before jumping on here to record a view. But it was really interesting because I think he hurt Morrison in the second round. And he's headhunting a little bit.

And you see someone in Bentley's corner doing that tap in his ribs, tap in his ribs, going body, body. I hit him to the body. And then you see, I don't know, Denzel saw him in his peripheral vision or he just put himself, but then you see him start tapping Morrison to the body. And yeah, I don't think Bentley's a massive puncher.

But I think if people open up for him and if people give him the opportunity to have a shoot out, he'll have the shoot out with you. And against British cash, I didn't quite work out. But most of the time it has. And he's a really good fighter at domestic level.

And I think, yeah, if you can win the British title outright, I think win the British title outright almost prepares you for the European title. I think it's like, right, done that. I've got three defenses. I've got a bell.

I'm ready. I'm ready for European now. So I'd love to see him do that and do both things. OK.

Yeah, we've got our... I think I'll be gone. I can say, I think the fight that everyone wants to see now, and the one that's seems to be called out, is to get the hands of Shiraz. And Shiraz is a big guy, a middleweight.

And he's somebody can work all the way through. He's just working his way up from sort of, he's working his way through it. I think that could be the next fight. And if Denz wins that, then, yeah, you know, it's, you get to see the idea that the long talk about outright.

But at the moment, I mean, I think it's still my take. I've seen Yarni who's holding the European strap there. And he's really, you know, fed him on the script. So maybe Denz, if he has to go with that, and wins that, then it'll be all the marbles on the table for the next one.

That makes sense. That does make sense. When European, then go back, then you can defend the British and the European against whoever is number one contender is that makes absolute sense. We're putting the world to right, simple.

Yeah, Eddie, Eddie, we're on Compassion. Yeah, I can. I can. Let's let's talk about the big kind of fight from the weekend.

We're the biggest fight from the world. We like to think it was the biggest fight. Canelo versus Triple G free in Las Vegas for the Undisputed Super Bitaway Championship. So canelo won?

It was a couple of scores, 1-16, 1-12, 1-15, 1-13. What do you think about the fight? Yeah, I mean, the first part of six rounds, it was, it was one more traffic. I mean, I thought the most of God, you know, so canelo looks slow, sort of canelo looks like canelo was landing Triple G looks slow.

He looked frustrated in there because every time he was getting a punch, you could just sort of see him take a little step back, giving a nod. But I think it was more anger to himself to say, you know, once you get hit, you know, because the old days, Triple G was known for being the person, he gets hit and he stung back instantly. It was a whipping shot of some sort of followed by a barrage and usually end of flight. I'm not saying he would have ended the fight against Canelo even a few years ago.

But the footwork has gone, the speed has gone. And although he did pull back some rounds from him from sort of seven onwards, and he was putting the pressure on there, but those teal blows were more sort of fleeting shots when they were touching, but sort of scraping and not really, you know, his sort of trademark shot of the overhand right over the top and to take the skull in. It just wasn't out of properly. They got a few buffer cuts in there.

But again, they weren't just devastating, so it used to be. So I don't know what Triple G's bands are for the future now. I think he's, you know, he said afterwards, I still want to carry him fighting, but and he's still technically the number one middleweight on the planet. So I don't know.

I don't know. I just think, you know, someone with such a great legacy. I don't want to see him getting hurt. I think I said that in the last fight.

And if he goes in and starts, you know, and carries on with his whole sort of static play of his, you know, hope that he can use his counterwork. It's a dangerous game because the reflex is slowing down and his footwork is a lot heavier now. So and also he's going to have to strip from 168 back to 160. What's that going to do to his body?

Or is he going to stay 168, which makes no sense? Could he hold no type? So yeah, I'd like to see him retire. So he says he's been phenomenal.

I mean, he's a hall of fame without a doubt and they've been belong to a sport boxing, but it wasn't great for me to watch that fight. Have something that. Yeah, I think I gave good offkin six, seven and nine in terms of rounds. I gave him round six, round seven, round nine.

And I think I gave him round six, he can have the round off. He can do both rounds off six and seven and then nine. He did it. Kind of did all right.

The thing that kind of stood out to me with the Golovkin was where he had his successes in the first two fights. Second fight for somebody who stands out more was his jab. His jab was there. It was in kind of his face all the time in the first two fights.

We didn't see it. We didn't see his jab really. And what? Yes, the speed's not there.

Yes, the ability to pull the triggers not there anymore, but it's just these energy levels. And I think we've seen that steady that steady drop of his energy levels in terms of his output for not. And it wasn't that wasn't the first time you've seen that for the last four years. Those levels just drop.

He's just not prepared to throw as many punches as he used to. I haven't seen the box right numbers, but I'd be stunned if there was not a markable difference between say, 2017 Golovkin and 2022 Golovkin or even 2019. I think the decline has been going on for that long now, but that was kind of the difference for me. And Kinello wasn't great.

It was just seemed like a spa. It was the first five round. It was the first five rounds for me. No problem at all.

At that point, the fight was in the bank because it's Las Vegas. Kinello always gets a free round head start from their judges anyway. I just thought this fight's over. After five rounds, it was over.

And Golovkin just never really got going. I don't think Kinello was great. I think Kinello's peaked at 32. I think he's peaked.

I don't think we're going to see him get any better now. It's amazing. 18 months ago, we were talking about him fighting cruises weights and doing all sorts of crazy stuff. And now at 32, he looks like he's peaked.

He looks like Vivol's exposed him. He said, one, too many fights in a short period of time. He looks a bit worn down, Kinello. And now he's talking about having a year off.

Do you think that's right? Do you think Kinello needs a rest? If he has a year off, he won't come back. If he does, he won't be the same person who will have to come in at a low level.

I mean, that's 62 fights and like, say, 32 years old, I think, you know, at some point, he'll need to sort of hang the gloves up. I'll be the whole thing of it. When he does take a year off and he comes back, what sort of version are you going to get? You know, like any engine, you need to keep oiled and taking your office a dodgy game.

I'll say that sugar and took five years off and came back and then beat Marvin Haggle. But these are raresties, you know, the rematch against Vivol. I think we'll go exactly the same way. I think in fact, Vivol probably given even a fresh performance this time around.

So, yeah, Kinello's got nothing more to prove that his problem is with Mexican matches, my witch. He, if someone throws down a challenge, he very rarely says no to it. And the problem is, I can say, no, he's getting slower as well. Someone's going to start to see such things in the arm in there.

So, but let's say, in the meantime, we've got to enjoy him. But yeah, I agree with you. I think the best that Kinello has gone and went out sort of like on the final four long, so yeah. Yeah, and that doesn't mean that, you know, he's not going to have good fights and he's not going to win fights.

He's still going to win plenty of fights if he continues to think he will. I just don't think we'll see an improvement anymore. I think at 32, he jumped through all the weights he can, like heavy division too far for him. Fair play for going for it and winning one belt already.

But the weight jumping 168 is what he is. 168 is what he should say out. He shouldn't fight Bivol again, which I know he will. If Bivol beat Zello Ramirez.

And that's OK. And he'll still give us plenty of good nights. In terms of Golovkin, yeah, I think middleweight is the only place for him now. Because like you said, there's no world titles available for him.

Well, seriously, you're going to do five, Charlo. You could fight Charlo. Chris, you've been junior. Chris, you bank junior is like, he is Twitter think is all he is.

He's just like, I really like you bank. I like you bank. I'm going to go to you bank, Ben. I'm going to win.

I'm not slagging him off. But him talking about Golovkin is boring. It's boring. Like Golovkin has no reason to fight you bank.

None. Like he doesn't offer him a huge payday. He doesn't have a world title. There's no reason for him to fight because you bank at all.

It's just because that's what you bank does. Whenever somebody has a big fight, hey, I'm here. I'm here. Give me some attention like me.

Fucking if you'd have gone through the fucking process, he'd have stayed at PBC. He'd have had a fight with Charlo by now. Like he could have had a fight with Charlo when he was at PBC. But he jumps around, promoted so much and broadcasters so much.

But he doesn't he can't get enough momentum going. You bank in order to get one of these fights. He'll fight Liam Williams and then you won't see the fuck up for a year. I was like, come on.

Like, and the Liam Williams fight, if he gets rid of Liam Williams in six rounds, he's like, fuck, he's just stopped Liam Williams in six rounds. And you know, a 55, 45, or a 50, 50, 50, 50. He doesn't. He drops him a few times and it's kind of toys and everything.

The fight's never like, oh, whatever. Like, I don't know. I like you bank as much as anybody. I've been to more fights of his than probably any other fighter.

But it's just boring now. It's all stick. It's just boring. So yeah, I'm not sure.

I'm not sure about what you bank is going to do. Yeah. That's about it. I'm kind of trouble.

It's not much really to say about it. It's they're all not set onto the heavy. It's not. Yeah, we might fly through the pot today.

Might be a short one. So this weekend, it's Joe Joyce, OK, it's Joseph Parker. What's your excitement levels for Joe Joyce and Joseph Parker? You know, I actually like Joe for them.

I think they're good. They're good for boxing. And Joe Joyce is the older of the two, but he always looks fresher. Yeah, he's probably because he's had less professional fights.

Joseph Parker, he's you have to remember, like former champion. He's been in some real wars already, you know, between not just to his auras, but the deal on white fight, I mean, he was he was two seconds away from from spinning it around. He had another referee and I might stopped it in the last round. He does have a big power in his hands.

The Joshua fight was probably one of his worst, probably overrespected Joshua. He's probably looking at the music fights now. I'm thinking, all right, I'm not comparing Joe's Park to his book. But he probably looking there and thinking maybe I should have gone for broke a little bit more there and let go of my hands and maybe talk to me about probably kind of racked up the points, but instead yeah, thank you, you over respected Joshua there.

But it's a good fight. And Joe Joyce, I'm watching some footage of him today on the pads and I actually thought it was a slow mo. And I know it's an age I'll joke everyone's said about how slow he really is, but I can unbelievably slowly comes his moves. But it's funny because today I was chatting to Tony Cottie, right indeed the autobiography of Tony Gail and I'm not doing that as a book drop, it doesn't come out that year.

But it's more the content. And Tony Cottie said about Tony Gail was, you know what Tony Gail was not fast. He said not at all. He said wasn't that imposing.

He says that as a physical sort of a specimen. He said, he's off the mark. He said, I'll always beat him running for a ball. He said, well, what made Tony Gail such a good football player is that his timing was always perfect.

He said, he would always make sure he's in the right space for the ball. And he'd also always pass it all to someone who's in the right space. And that's exactly what Joe Joyce does all the time. He's always in the right place to throw a punch and it counts as always at the right moment as well.

So that's sort of second sense or maybe reaction time. He might not be fast as trying to punch his out of his reaction time to anything coming his way is very, very good. So I think, yeah, it's going to make it interesting because Parker's probably thinking it can go in there and rattle off combinations. But doing that with Joe Joyce could end quite badly.

We know he can take a punch. Dubois was hitting him with a gigantic right hand all night long and he kept taking it. But he didn't stay there static and take it. There was always these sneaky leanbacks.

He's always got some little bit of lateral movement or totally back against the ropes where he does. So yeah, I'm certainly more excited for this part than I am triple jiggling out of that for sure. Yeah, no, I'm really, I'm quite excited for it as well. Because it's a fresh match up.

I think we always like a fresh match up and it's a good match up as well. I think Joe Joyce is, you'd say what, 60-40? I'd probably make him a slight favourite Joyce. But he's 37 years old.

He's 37 years old, Joe Joyce. And Andrew Harrison at the start of the pod we answered all of his questions and another one of his questions was how long can Joe Joyce keep taking these shots? He starts very slowly. He will eat a couple of right hands.

You know, could Joe Joyce get old overnight? Could he look a little bit old and you know, Josie Parker with his hand speed, he does have very good hands speed, but very good trainer in Andy Lee. There is a possibility that the Parker can make him look silly, you know, for a few rounds. But what people do underestimate with Joyce is his kind of boxing ability because the thing that beat him beat Dubois in a Dubois fight and what closed Dubois eye and broke his autobone was the jab.

He brought that jab into the fight. He dominated that fight with the jab. And if he gets that jab established against Parker, then I think he might do the same. I think it might be a slow and a long night for Parker.

But it's a really, really interesting fight. Who are you leaning towards, Paul? Yeah, I'm leaning towards a man who's going to be doing the leaning, which is Joe Joyce. And he's got a couple of inches height advantage.

You probably have around. I'm going to guess I'm going to reach another 20-pound weight advantage as well. And I just think that based on the last two fights we were there, around there was sort of moments in the fight where I felt that Joe's a part of kind of gassed a little bit and then recouped gassed a little bit and recouped. And Joe Joyce, you know, he's not going to juggle a lot for nothing.

He fills up with diesel and, you know, it'll go for a thousand miles. And it will go at the same pace. I don't think I've ever seen Joe Joyce taking around off and saying, okay, now it's time to go and try and plant a person. He just keeps coming at you.

And that's the most demoralizing thing. You know, with the exception of, I think, the bright fight, he's stopped everyone and he's, you know, Joyce certainly does pack power. Let's see, I know it sounds silly and I always say it's about a lot of fights. But let's see how it goes in the first two rounds.

You can, you can usually kind of denote how it might sort of unravel at that point. But, but I, my money is on Joe Joyce has been a more imposing figure and he's going to be there for Parker to find. And I think he's going to do some lovely counter work. And will you stop Joseph Parker?

I don't think so. Will you rough him up? Possibly. Has Parker got the tools to go in and out fast and maybe land a six punch combination of flat and joist?

Not really. I don't think so. I don't think Joyce is too good after the stand area. He's got too much of a sneaky movement.

Will it be a good fight? I think it possibly could be an unexpected barn burning. I know I'll say that it would be the snoozefest of the year now. But I think that both fighters realise that this really is one step closer to having a shot at a world title.

So I think we're going to see the best of them that they may have given for a long time. I agree. I think we're going for a really good fight. And I think Parker might start quite well because of the hands of the three then because Joyce does tend to start pretty slowly.

I think Parker might start well. I think he might win the first two three rounds. But I think Joyce is just going to catch up with him. He's too big.

He's too strong. He's smart. He's not the best speaker, but he's got a high ring IQ. And I think he'll slowly just start to work Parker out and it'll break him down.

Not sure he'll stop him. Parker's a tough man, but I think it might be a comfortable decision for Joyce. Maybe 116, 112, maybe 75, something like that. Yeah, I think it's pretty good.

And then I think, yeah, just as well, it's also interesting to see the pair, the trainers they have, you know, so you've got to join to it. It's not Sal and Seuss, you know, he's got a door fight to him. And they have to wear like the eight inch platforms, wherever they are, like pretty much a criminal stilts. And so he can't do the pads with him.

And you've got Joseph Parker, who's obviously, you know, part of the game's a carerhen barry for years ago. And it's now with Andy Lee. And that seems to be working well. You know, Andy Lee's got his lovely car and way of band, but also knows how to suddenly just snap and put the aggression on.

And I think that's great for Joseph Parker, because he's such a nice guy. He literally on the nice people you could have me in a room full of people. If you didn't know that he was a former World Heavyweight Champion or he's a professional boxer, you'd go over there and just think, who is this guy? He's just too nice.

But with Andy Lee there, with that sort of growl and aggression, I think that he may unleash a bit more of the venom from Joseph Parker. And that's, you know, it's good to see how much of that side comes out in his fight, whether it's still going to be more for chess match or, you know, pop, pop, move, pop, pop, move. But I'd like to see Joseph Parker unload multiple combinations and see how Joyce deals with it. It's an intriguing fight.

I'm looking forward to it. Would you say this is Joseph's fight? It's great. But tougher than Dubois.

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Because do what, although he's got the WBA trinket, it's not really a proper title. And Joseph Parker has a WBO, he's a defendant number of times.

But he's also been in with tough opposition. You know, it's that Dubois hasn't been in with, he hasn't been in with, he hasn't been in with us or twice. You know, Dubois hasn't been in with Anthony Joshua, you know, as a professional. So without a doubt, this is a Jo Joyce who's the toughest opponent, both from a physical side, power side and experience side.

It's a great step forward. It really is. And it's annoying. I mean, I'm a fan of Dubois, you know, but it's, I guess, annoying for team choice that Joyce beats Dubois, Dubois goes into a version of World Title and Joyce is still not having a shot at a type.

So how does that work? We're coming back to, again, promotion, management, who you know, et cetera. So it looks like if Joyce does witness and he wins it in style, then he gets a shot and same with Joseph Parker, he gets back into mixed again and takes on whoever the champion is at the type. This is for the WBO interim, which I guess is about as prestigious as the WBA regular.

I put them about on the same level, really. They've made this for the interim title. I don't know why. Because who's it kind of defended it?

Yeah, I mean, go on. I'm just saying interim titles to me. It's just like intercontinental, internationals and incontinent titles. They're all direct.

They really are, honestly. And so when I say interim, and then sometimes I say the limonator for an interim, and that just makes, you know, gives me gas as Americans. Like it's just absolute shit. So I think whatever piece of crap they're going to wrap around the waist, at the end of this fight for me, that's absolutely nothing at all.

So do it with the help I've met and present themselves and whether the sanctioning bodies believe that they're worthy at this point to put them in with whether it be Tysophurior or Usec. Yeah, it's about wins, isn't it? It's about getting a win over a quality opponent. It doesn't really matter what Bell is for, really.

But you'd like to think if the winner of Joyce or Parker, you know, they would get shot at Usec because you'd think that if that interim title is going to do anything for them, it's going to get them a shot at a proper world title or in Usecs case, three world titles. Well, I'm really quite, I really like the idea of Usec against Wilder now. I kind of want to see that now. One, I did, I was actually just checking our Twitter for, I was just checking to see if there's any more questions.

There isn't any more questions, but I saw there's something, there's something bubbling up on the timeline, Paul. And it's about one of our subjects earlier in the podcast, Joshua Buazzi. There's a rumor that he's going to fight Callum Smith. OK, so that's good.

Will it be for the European? Will it be for something that's half-day or will it just be a great domestic? That's a sort of fight you want to say, if that happens, Britain, it's, you know, how long have we been talking about these fights? Eighteen months now, 24 maybe?

Yeah. We've been saying about, you know, we've got a golden division here, I'm not heavyweight. So if that's true, if it really is true, then fantastic. Absolutely brilliant.

Yeah, I think that's a really good fight. Callum Smith, Joshua Buazzi, I've just seen, you know, there was all a tweet about it, Sam Jones is tweeting about it. So there's something going on. There's something, even if it's just a rumor, it might not be official yet.

But I think that's a really good fight. And you're right, we need to see these domestic fights really. And you know, Buazzi and Callum Smith, both with Mattrum, they're both with Eddie Hearn. So let's get it done.

Let's get it going. If you're actually not going to fight an IBM Eliminator, I've just seen something else in the timeline, though. You know, he didn't want to fight Pascal because Pascal didn't want to do wilder testing. Again, that's just something I've seen on the timeline, because Pascal does have a history with pets and being bad for pets.

So to know what, if that is the case, that makes sense, fair enough. And if you take the Callum Smith fight, you know what, I consider myself correct in fair play, because that's going to get him in line for a world title fight, because Callum Smith just wanted WBC Eliminator, so he'd be right in the mix there to fight better be ever after better be at sport yard. So yeah, I like it. I think that's a good thing.

You've got on? Yeah, just to say like the time I was coming up, I mean, you mentioned about Wilder in there. So he fights Robert Laneus in the 15th of October. We got a good guy against Hermit Klamaya.

We got some good fights and also a state-based announcement. Katie Taylor, a defense undisputed status against Karen Elizabeth Carvajal. Cool. So obviously just a bit of a tune-up fight.

And so yeah, yeah, happening in like, what, five, six weeks time. So that's bullshit, to be honest. You know, Taylor obviously wants to quit Mardi Grasven, add another notch on her resume. They've just done need to because she's that impressive.

And that's it. But maybe she doesn't fancy another tough fight like she's being involved in recently. But hey, but then we got a bit like we mentioned before, we got Errol Spence against Bud, which is the fight that I've been crying for for years if that happens in November. Fantastic.

And then we got Anthony Joshua fighting against Tites of Fury maybe in November, December, December, apparently. So let's see what happens there. Apparently there's a contract last week. It's being sent over and it's the same old shit.

There's nothing being confirmed. So AJ says he's in, you know, supreme condition. He's ready to go. And Fury's just basically sort of saying, well, if I can give me two weeks, I'll stop the booze and the fry-ups.

And I'm ready to go sort of thing. So the man's in the nigma. But either way, we potentially have some fantastic fights emanating from the British Isles. Yeah.

And I think with Kaye Taylor, I think it's actually a shame for her that she's not been out of boxing island. She's boxing in New York. She's boxing in England. I think she deserves the opportunity to go back to Ireland.

Never fight in Ireland, really. You think if she's going to have a layup, if she's going to have an easy fight and have a layup, you'd let her have a fight in Ireland. She's earned the right. And she's a fucking mega star over there.

Yeah, absolutely. I think this fight that she's having now against this, she's not going to have a pro-kapark and do it in front of the fans and point in her performance. So I'm talking about the Serrano rematch, which could have been a dodgy rematch for her to have, could have been a banana skin. And she has that in Ireland.

They were talking about having an iron, obviously it's not happening. Then she may have lost against her home crowd because it was that close last time. But yeah, I tell you, great. She should have a fight which she's pretty much guaranteed to win and do it in style.

And then wherever the next fight is, then it's so good. But hey, let's leave that to the experts. Well, yeah, exactly that. And I think the Serrano rematch isn't going to happen.

It's not going to happen now because she signed with Jake Paul and I don't know if you saw this morning, I saw an article in boxing and seen this morning that Jake Paul was made some pretty, he could get himself sued over the stuff he said about Mattrum and he basically said that they have Glenn Feldman in their pocket, the judge from Vegas, that they pay him and that he always sorts out a nice card for Mattrum and uses the example of the Serrano fight but he also uses the example of U6 Joshua which Feldman swabbed Joshua. Yeah, they're not going to work together. Serrano's not going to fight Taylor again. Like I imagine that Jake Paul kind of feels and Serrano feels that they're not going to get a fair shake on a Mattrum show, I guess that's how they feel.

But Serrano's fighting on the Josie Parker card this weekend. She's boxing for the Undisputed Fervaway Championship but I think for Katie Taylor, after she's had her layup and if she doesn't fight in Ireland, who doesn't fight in Ireland, there's only one fight I want to see her in, Jessica McGaskill at Welterway for the Undisputed Welterway Championship. It's the only fight I want to see her in now. Her age, Katie Taylor, 37, it's time, you know, if you're going to carry on before you go, win the Undisputed Championship at Welterway and Jessica McGaskill, fight you beat already once.

Fight her, win it, you're the greatest win of all time. I don't think she's going to tell her fight. I think she's not big enough. She's stepped up once the one 40, one strap there and it's okay back down.

I think Shaun saw Cameron's in with a good chance against Jessica McCaskill to be honest. She's actually a big, I think she had Tyler and she's far more developed in the last few years in her own sort of timeline. She's got that fight, Cameron, she's got that fight. She's got that fight, she's got that fight.

Yeah, in the Middle East and that's a good fight. That's what I'm definitely looking forward to. We can see some bombs in that. And again, McCaskill's changed fight from when people against Kate, I remember I was ringside for that.

I remember thinking if she lands, Kate, you might be in trouble here but Kate was just too slick for her. But yeah, I mean, come back to Jake Paul though, he's a side full of the craps, his eyes are brown. He really is. And he was saying, listen, she needs to fight Amanda Serrano at 126.

Are you fucking serious, man? She's 135 pound fighter and she's gonna shrink down nine pounds. Yeah, Amanda Serrano's been in seven different weight divisions but 126 is a natural weight. No problem, it's making 135 things yet.

However, a couple of pigs in the burger probably took it into that limit in the first place. So I'm not gonna fight, no. All jokes aside, Serrano is a 126 fighter. That's her natural resting place.

So no, Kate Taylor's not gonna fight at 126. Stupid suggestion from him. I can't wait for the day where Jake Paul signs up to suck and punch someone. Cause it's next fight, he's in against what's got UFC great, isn't he?

Yeah, and still rough and kick. Yeah, yeah. Now, all these guys, one day he's gonna get into the ring, he's gonna try and challenge a Derek Chizora's heart character who would have been up for the banter, sign all the things, sign all the little disclaimers, saying, you know, we move around the ring a little bit, I hit you, you hit me and then I win on points or whatever. And then he's gonna go in against the particular character and I'll lose their shit in there.

And beat Jake Paul to an absolute pulp and knock him out, spark. And yeah, it will happen at some point. No matter what he's gonna sort of save him from that. But yeah, for play goes in the ring, he tanks a few punches, but in boxing, he's wrecking YouTube and he must be doing it from a computer screen.

Yeah, this is interesting. And actually last week when we spoke, I mentioned Stanley Ketchil against Jack Johnson back in the early 19th, 20th century for the heavyweight championship. But people don't know about that fight. Stanley Ketchil was the middleweight champion, world, middleweight champion back then he was only one champion.

Anyway, Jack Johnson, he was the heavyweight champion. Jack Johnson wouldn't fight black fighters because he didn't feel that he was a black guy himself, he was the first black man to be the heavyweight champion. He always felt that a black guy against a black guy would draw money. So he'd fight white guys because he knew that the white, paying white audience would wanna see him lose.

So he'd always fight white fighters. And he thought Stanley Ketchil would middleweight, but they had what you suggested, Paul, they had an agreement, where they would have a move around, they would kind of just have a move around and you know, Johnson would win on points and retain a title. Stanley Ketchil keeps his middleweight title, everybody's happy. But Stanley Ketchil was a puncher and he was a serious guy, he was kind of he rode the rails, he'd live the hard life.