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I mean with the way they do catch rates these days any number to be 100 to I think you can probably find a Bigger in between there, which is a quite incredible better, but yeah, I'm one forty seven probably one of the most iconic battle grounds over the years I think I'm a tickler. Look at my teeth and one Peterson was a one forty two or one forty one I can't remember if I think it was one forty two and I didn't mention it at the time But that was in my head when we was recording that But yeah one forty seven the world's way division Well, well the eight regional eight divisions Paul I got one of the glamor divisions if you like and it still is it still is one of the glamor divisions No, PBC have kind of owned world to wait for the last ten years at least probably ten years you'd say Yeah, there's this in terms of welts weights because it's obviously the new story about Corfland spends Well, it's just about historically welts weights a couple of questions and one of my ask you yesterday to let you prepare And the second one I've not let you prepare so what kind of notable fights stand out at welter for you over the years? Well, you know, so I could pick probably about six or seven from Oscar De La Voya. I really could say before he Yes, the start becoming a yeah an interesting person dressing up in tight and getting on the smack and that he was probably one of my Focalize all time and you know if I look at him as a fight from the past He still is my favorite fight as well time that were all aggression that long stance that that power the way used to buy down his gum Shield of bangs love together and did you have a kid he was involved like sit in a stack of rag well But what did stand out for me was there a book around against I'm sure I know that I'm hoping it's one forty seven I think that's my memory certainly correct.
Yeah, but number one because Was it is in his to one of the silkiest smoothest fighters out there, but I'm german for the correct fight that night and Felt later to let it when he came back he computed information and ended and I mess up to that but that first fight I replay it back you'll see german almost sort of peeking out there in terms of the way that he was boxing and Even at the end when the adavale goes, you know, but then it's kind of gonna show a bit of respect any pushing away So you know, so fuck you know, I mean, so yeah, I love that fight a lot of era Probably one of my favorites at one forty seven. Yeah, yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one I yeah, I thought I would ask you the question of what one stands out And I think in terms of ones that I've watched live it was sugar shame only you've already mentioned against Antonio Margarito And it was it was big because it was kind of shame. Those these last great performance like it was his last great performance and after that for A year nobody wanted to go near him.
You know, many packy I was trying everything possible to not fight him catch weights and all sorts of crazy shit To not fight mostly and then but I took the challenge I remember but I was like yeah, I'll fight you and then the I think was an earthquake happening and Haiti and in the fact I called off may we've thought mostly and kind of the rest the rest is history But yeah, you know, mostly Margarito or Margarito was at the time I agree I was just coming off the cotto in it just up the galcoy was undefeated And he was I remember I remember seeing on boxing scene They're for him at the time people were doing their predictions and this one was stood out It was quite savage someone said that prediction was Margarito by murder And it was pretty fucking savage kind of prediction But you know what kind of happened beforehand where they found they found plaster of Paris in Margarito's wraps And it was rather than a zine that that that found it that was to squeeze squeeze the pattern for that's not right and a pad Piece of course popped out and that's where they found the plaster of Paris and strangely there's been defenders of Margarito about that whole thing over the years I've always found it weird how do you get it's like we were talking about drugs the other week with kind of then how do you get plastering wraps? They don't just magically get there. It's been put there by somebody by human being. But anyway, mostly like I said his last I think kind of great performance Stopped Margarito the night from I think was on sattantan the glory days of sattantan I'm not thinking about sattantan to quite a lot these days I don't know why I think it's because boxing you know kind of coverage isn't amazing right now It doesn't wow me right now But yeah, it was the tanta glory days and a brilliant performance by mostly the hands people there the power was there and he stopped investing terms of the hill he stopped the baddie and Margarito unsurprisingly was never the same again was he Paul That knowing that he'd been doing the class of Harris gig absolute Trocha send a drug plus a comeback and being a mother's The other one I tried to watch and it was when many pack you know Look literally look like half the sides in the ring beat the crap out of him and what it's not to me lebeth I think it was really face wasn't absolutely messy The thought that many of us are one that had a plaster in his it's gloves It wasn't literally peppered to hell and it's like a had anaphylactic show So that's why that's fine once a watch on it when it's one thing you know the drug sheets You know we've really talked about that we've really talked about how damaging that is but On a fight knife someone to have the equipment on bricks in your in your gloves and knowingly The plank from in the face without that's just absolutely acceptable So when the likes of mostly and happy I think the crap out of my very eyes I say for a really absolutely Do you know the top of your head sorry put you on the spot?
What was the fight where the guy got stopped? Is it Lewis Louie reto or something and he stopped the guy called Billy something and there was they taken the padding out of the gloves? Was it penamoluous that was the trainer I feel like I'm yeah And yeah, no, you're right. Yeah, I mean, so the I'm gonna quickly grab this.
I'm gonna look it up quickly whilst we're up I'm talking yeah, what I do remember is that I'm the fighter ended up I commit suicide Yes, yes, I think it was really quite When we started correct. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, the bike I mean suicide because his face was so badly damaged his orbital bones But sort of such a wreck and he meant to be never a couple from it again and yeah kind of my Lewis I just like yeah, the to say a lot of crap hold his way was an understatement and And rightly so because if you're you're a corner man You're supposed to be charged with a raps and everything there going on. I'm absolutely Inexcusable, but yeah, you know kind of thought that after seeing something like Margarita would have thought well I would never do anything like that. You know, he was a good fighter Margarita and I thought he was genuinely tough But he like obviously lacked confidence in his own ability and that showed that yeah Billy calling to do that.
Yeah, who was the fighter that they took the to the wraps out who was that you know I thought you had a funny use to put it on the spot No, I thought we don't really think I'm gonna have a bit of while we're at our speed walk on it It was really rest though. No rest though. It was yeah. It was really rest.
Oh, yeah Yeah, I was half there. I knew I it was my fault. I knew like 70% of it but couldn't put it all together in my brain, but yeah panama Lewis fucking scumbag Yeah, and that that that kind of thing that thing we stand out I remember at the end of the fight he went over and squeezed they went over to shake hands with blue rest I know the trainer squeezed his hand and went whoa well, there's no padding what the fuck and then ran and told the referee and that was how That was how we got caught. It's a documentary about it somewhere you probably find it on YouTube or daily motion or something like that I remember watching it years and years ago.
It was awful. It was really awful what happened to Billy Collins But yeah He basically got off the rail with big style and I can't remember his drink when he was driving But I think it was like 22 years old when I was trying to buy One of my tragic attempts at boxing for a person was a really genuine prospect and I became quite a bit He had great assets to him as a boxer. So yeah, very sad. It is.
It is really really sad But just staying on kind of a welter weights and you know some piece of music came out this week was Well, a piece of music came out boxing scene I think it was late it was late last week that Elspent's it's Elspent's you know, they was kind of they were a bit amused about what was going on with the Terrence Crawford fight They were trying to make it Crawford's team kept sending back all these points and Spencer's team was like, yeah fine. Yeah fine Yeah fine and then we fast forward a couple of days I think it may be the next day after that story came out was that Terrence Crawford was gonna fight in favor of the pod David Evanisian. Um, what do you think about this whole thing Paul? Yeah, sensing I mean you mentioned Shubichay mostly and um Evanisian was the last fight for mostly In 2016, but it's all the first mentioning in terms of handing on the baton here is that Shubichay mostly had his day before most 30 years Now sinking from in so but um so yeah, I'm missing very big.
You can definitely say watch that version of a Shubichay mostly Um, I'm not saying not to have an essay now because that's always a talk about he certainly would have given him a boxing essay for 12 rounds Even if they go up on him and take a lot of leather um Evanisian is a hard fighter. He's an avoided fighter. Um, he's He's got a way as well of sliding punches in short range, but his counter Outfit is very good, but to go in against uh Terrence Crawford In my opinion, probably that I still believe you know, he's got strong face of being pound pound of best fire at the planet Um, I think he's gonna be out of his league and um more than anything that's annoying me so much I think it's not a good fight What annoys me is that you've got the two best pound of pounders on the planet with him and Errol Spencer And I say two best you know just uh certainly both of them in the top five moving around Zwad Um, why they're not fighting each other and it's obviously to do money the promotional ties whatever the hell it is I mentioned before about reverse don't you're adding a sugar I learned I'm at two huge names and it happened two guys brought each other You know back in the day Muhammad Ali George Foreman Joe Brainsa All of these guys fight each other four kings not just fight each other fight each other many times over So I think we need to be taking a moment of women out of um, uh, leave at the women's books You look at uh Clarissa Shields against Savannah Marshall You're talking to me going on for a while, but not too long not years and um and if I happen they're ready talking about a rematch Um, why is Errol Spencer doing that against by Crawford not happening whenever you see them on the internet one's blaming one the other and uh, I don't know if I'll ever get to the roots of it, but what's gonna be a real shame is that by Crawford is gonna be you know Knocking on the 40 years old and then Errol Spencer will fight him with you know, what we he believes would be good timing and then probably stopping more Make him like a fool, which is crazy and um, I'm quite an avid Etienne puts a lot miles on the clock of an older man like Terrence Crawford So um, I tick Crawford to win it but said it will be a sideways gonna have a fight soon against a hard opponent and he will suddenly age overnight And that point everyone's gonna be saying why did they have a fight why I can expense just do whatever it needs to be done or Crawford needs to be doing but um, yeah I'm looking forward to having a scene fight, but I'm not overwhelmed by it. No, I I didn't have an ses he's got a couple of losses already He's been boss.
He's been boxing and I love him. I love watching him. He's great fun. I paid money to him I watched him a couple years ago.
It's actually one of the only boxing show I've been to since covid happened since the whole covid thing I only boxing should I've been to because of the u-bank one getting called off the other week? Um was it was again another u-bank hard ended up being headlined by David Evan scian um, yeah, he's great fun to watch He's really good at kind of European level, but I think I don't think he's a world-class fire and Crawford's an elite fighter Um, but I'm pleased that Evan is he's gonna get paid really well He's gonna make good money and he's getting himself a world title fight And he's been at European level for so long that eventually yeah to jump to kind of the world level into box for a world title So I get it fair enough get paid well And then if you can win or lose you can you know, I defend the title that he's one or go back to European level win that back or just Call it a day whatever it is he wants to do. I think the thing with me for this whole Crawford's fencing You're right. We'll never know we'll never know what's gone on But I don't look at a guy like Spencer think oh, he's ducking Crawford This is a guy you know near death experience in a car crash and in box Danny Garcia first fight out Um, then had retina surgery pretty fucking serious surgery comes back boxes with guests in the unification fight for free of the world for world titles This isn't a guy that's to me.
You look at Spencer. You think that's a serious guy guy. I want smoke He's not bothered Um, and I don't think any fight is really a scared but you just have to look at Crawford's career really and it's really really hard to find Top wins on his record and with this thing that's now happening in front of everybody you for me I would slightly blame Crawford morna would spend but you are right Paul will never know and I'm not sure what's gonna happen now Um because what seems to be happening is the WBA people are getting petition now for the mandatory fights boots Ennis is the IPF mandatory. There's a chap who's the WBA mandatory Um, I think boots Ennis is kind of last on the list But he's gonna have this a half-filling for filling mandatory which is key firm and boots Ennis and there's another one who I forget Um, and I just think Spencer's gonna go well.
I can't I can't go from disputed I'm gonna go up to like me and I'm gonna fight Um, Jim El-Chalo for the undisputed like middleweight title I can see him doing that I can see him going up to like middle fighting the name there and then and then going to boxing Jim El-Chalo If Jim El-Chalo can still make 154 Which is a real shame, but it is it is what it is But you're right you are right to credit the women because they'll just make the fight They're not bothered Perhaps there's not you know as many pay days out there for them as there is for the men and maybe that's something to do with it But let's you know you made a good point talking about Crusher Schlden's from animal It was a couple of weeks ago now, but let's talk about because it was a really really good night of boxing Um, how did you enjoy first of why did you enjoy that you know the night overall? Yeah, really good, really good. I mean, listen up Like I said, the thing with the group of Clarkson's running is the hunger A lot of them are getting shit hand-packed it to get punched in the face and uh, putting everything on the line There's gonna be there's gonna be ladies here who basically equivalent of say 30 years ago with the men where they're gonna have to I'm asked to somewhere about it region maybe a dozen sort of around world level fights We say to be able to make any half of these a catch and not get near what the men are getting I remember Clarissa Schlden walking out here at a documentary on her And uh, I think she was like 21 22 at the top of that 22 and then when she was 17 and showed her like all the uh, the parasites around So saying how you're a Olympic champion now 17, you know, you're uh, the one's gonna be you know, it's gonna be very feet And you're gonna make loads of money and uh, so she's like, well, you know, there she was at home and it's like, well wait for the phone to ring, yo What's happening? Where the sponsor's at?
Nothing. So what'd you do? They're like, well, you know what if you want to make it big? What you gotta do is you gotta come double Olympic champion?
What'd she do goes back? It becomes double Olympic champion pretty much beats everyone along the way apart from Savannah Marshall Um, and then all of a sudden, um, she she becomes double Olympic champion and again she's there at home. Where's the phone? No one's calling up.
Where's the big sponsorship? No one's calling up. So she's like, well, I'm a self-professional You know, she was thinking at one point I could become triple Olympic on this by 25, but it really worked out. They're doing it twice.
I'm still not getting it. So I'll tell him, probably, which turns pro And finally I picked she on her first seven-figure plate day the other day, which she thoroughly thoroughly thoroughly deserved and it's helped to raise the bar with a lot of other women fights as well and um, the the intensity of the last um of of that whole national I say Um, was was great because it wasn't just saying it's not about the fires in the Carla Mary Gensilish of England, Gardener as well. Um, we're ready to fight And then obviously got called because the Queen died and um, that everything was delayed by about six or three four weeks. So I mentally physically financially they all had to accept the ramifications of the delay and they went in there and they they put on the great show really, really good.
Really, really good. Yeah, it was it was I was I've been to the Spurs game that day so I didn't get to watch all the undercard but I was pleased because I got back in time for Caroline Du Bois. Um, I got back just in time to watch her fight. Um, and actually that she she got a stoppage which is you know, it doesn't always happen in women's sport, particularly when they're coming up because it's in to be short, you know, obviously it's short rounds already, but also they're short fights, but she got the stoppage, but I thought she looked a little bit sloppy actually in the early rounds.
She didn't blow me away. Um, but she got the stoppage and she was once she actually got got the girl hurt. She was actually really spiteful and wasn't wasn't shy in getting her out there at all. That was I really enjoyed that.
Um, I really enjoyed the the band garden fight. My band garden Maya was good. How did you see that? Like, so why did you see that?
I think it was just if I was to be honest here at two early she went and I think so I was kind of expecting a car to may have with these sort of, you know, the lawns and the paybri behind there and also happens to be operated against the high level and there's a special more fights under painting. Uh, for what I thought she'd be more powerful. Um, and she can she want to walk out in the tooth bar. Um, she don't ask a clarker feet and, uh, boom guard had done really well, uh, skipping around was extremely comfortable.
She seemed to be half a second ahead in predicting what we kind of I was going to do. And when she came with her straight lines, her lateral movement, her side steps, her sneaky leanbacks got her out of trouble at time. You know, so even when, um, the kind of I was letting her hands go, um, the flurry sort of touching, but a lot of it was sort of sliding off the skinny. It was never sort of full front, um, punch, it's done.
So fair play, fair play, fair play, fair play, fair corner. I know it's a split decision, but I, I, I had it. So we've got to fight two rounds. Okay.
I think I had it a draw on the night, but I think I, I think I, I think I tweeted something. If anyone's one, it's, it's, it's Alicia Baumgardner. I thought that she was more aggressive. Um, I think in those close rounds, when as soon as it would come into kind of close range, it was Baumgardner.
That was where she kind of dying down. Um, and Maya had a good little middle spell. I think kind of like rounds three to six, where she actually started to establish the jab, but this just abandoned it again and just stopped. Um, and I was a little worried that, that Baumgardner's corner weren't kind of assertive enough and weren't animated enough.
Um, I thought, you know, Maya's the A side here. The commentary was quite heavily favored towards Michaela Maya. I think they, they work with hers and they're friendly with her, and that's kind of British boxing for you. And that's kind of sports broadcasting today.
It's all everyone's got dog in the fight, but it is what it is. Um, but yeah, I thought, you know, if anyone's going to get a close decision, it'll be Maya, but it didn't turn out that way. Um, and you know what, I think they probably looked at it. If Maya would have won, well they can, I kind of looked at it, like, if Maya would have won, she'd have vacated, she'd have vacated all the belts and got up to the light weight because she's tired of the weight.
Whereas if Baumgardner wins, she can go and, and try and unify and try and be on the spirit. Now, so there's a little bit more legs in her win in, but I think you're right. I think she genuinely won the fight anyway. I think it's better for the division.
Probably better for Maya. Maya can go and fight Kate Taylor. That's still a big fight. Um, so I think, yeah, I think it was, it was a close fight, but I thought the right, the right girl won.
And then it was on to the kind of the main event. Uh, fucking shields entrance. Because I love it. I loved it so much.
It was that whole Apollo Creed thing in the, in the stripes shorts and the dancers and everything was fucking amazing. I loved it. What do you think about the whole spectacle, Paul? Yeah, thinking away at the end of the day, it's not a show for my friends that show business and she really embraces that.
She's, uh, doing her very best to bring the retail and fifth, as well as the full front. And we also need a bit of that. They, um, but between her and Savannah, they cooked up some great press conference here. So it's lovely, sort of comedy rivalry between them.
It's never ever spiteful, but you know, there was a lot of great verbal sparring going on and then, and then managed to deliver well to the crowd to cook up the fights before their but yeah, it's, uh, it was this in terms of fight itself. Um, I really enjoyed it. I thought it was, uh, I thought it was very good. Listen, Savannah Marshall reminds me of Jo Jo's to an extent.
She, uh, I don't think she can skip, uh, I don't think at any point, was the vibe of the people off the ground. Um, so it was that whole thing, I sort of, trying to do a quick, uh, bobbing with a head to the next sort of throw the jab and, I think, wait for the right hand and get the left to go. Um, it was, it was very hard punches in Savannah, but to try and land and plead on Clarissa, who to be honest is probably natural, like middleweight. Um, it's, it's always going to be tough.
She's very, very, very quick and a fee. Uh, you could see though Clarissa's, uh, right, I saw her, it was nicely swelled by the end of the fight and she, she admitted as well that the, the, the, the punch she was taking from, um, in shields left and probably the highest punch he's ever had to take before. I don't think she was lying. I think she just had to be complimented.
Yeah, she, I don't think I've seen, I've seen her face damage before in any particular way like that. So, but, um, but she fought a very clever fight. Uh, she was happy to stand her in trade because she was confident in her own reflexes, um, her own ability to suddenly move positions and, uh, get self into a safe zone, but also, uh, in terms of the number of punches that she could throw at attacking safely and then move out again. So yeah, really enjoyed the fight.
And, um, you know, the fact that they're saying between eight to 12 months, there'll be a rematch is, uh, it's fantastic. I think the result would probably be the same. Um, obviously might be computed enough information to be able to make it more clinical the next time, but I thought it was a really, it was a top to finish. It was a throwback fight in terms of, um, the way that the guys delivered on fight night and also the respect after that.
And in this, into the trainers as well, extremely respectful to the opposite corners. And, uh, you, you listen to us a few years afterwards, sort of saying, you know, it's a great fight. Um, believe the bet we did win on the evening, but Savannah did really well. Um, great.
Really, really humbling. So, uh, yeah, really enjoyed that. I think, thanks, boxing could, uh, watch that a few times and take a leaf out of that book. Yeah.
And I was, it was, I was, everyone was talking about it and, you know, two million people watching on Sky Sports, um, you know, uh, or Sky Sports or Sky Showcase, which I think is the free channel on Sky. Um, so a little bit cheating there from Sky, but she didn't want two million people watching boxing. No matter what channel they're watching, I'm going to take it every day of the week. Um, the scores are, I think, 96, 94, twice, and 97, 93.
I think that's what it 97, 93 on the night. I think that's about right. It's about fair. I actually fought at the start, Paul.
I fought Savannah Marshall, Rose. I thought she completely froze and panicked in the first round because Clarissa Shields fucking lit her up. She just, her hand speed, it was night and day, which in the pair of them in terms of their hand speed, Clarissa Shields was just lighting her up and she's not really a puncture at middleweight. She's not really a puncture at all, but particularly not midway against someone who's much bigger than her.
But I think if she had some more digging, she should have got Marshall out in that first round. It was that dominant, those first, well, first five rounds. I thought she won the first five rounds, clearly. Um, and so Marshall kind of had it all to do after that.
Um, and there was kind of some moaning afterwards about the scores, the scores were fine. There was nothing wrong with the scores, you know, 97, 93 was about right. Um, and it was very strange to me. There was, if you were, he was saying, oh, um, yes, she was one of the five and the next rep saying, well, 97, 93 is a bit wide.
Well, that's one round difference. If you think she won it, that's 96, 94. It's the closest, lot closest it could possibly be. So also round difference.
It was all very strange to me. But, um, yeah, I thought Shields was brilliant. Her hands, he was amazing. I think she's the best female fighter in the world.
I don't think, you know, Kate Taylor's an excellent fighter as well, but she's definitely slowed in recent years. She's definitely not the fighter she was, even though she's still winning and she still will beat pretty much everybody. I think she was looking at her at 27, the hand speed of the defense going, jumping up all these divisions, undisputed now in three divisions, like middle, middle and super middle. She could go to super middle again and box the unspeakable champion there.
She could go to light middle and find Natasha Jonas for the four belts, if Natasha Jonas wins her next fight. There's just a lot for her. And Marshall, if they have a rematch, they have it in America, which is what they were talking about. I just don't see how Marshall wins, particularly in America.
I just don't see it. But if she gets paid well, then kind of good for her, really. What would you think Marshall's going to do next? You think it'd be the rematch next?
Yeah, I think a bit side to side. I'm taking what's gone on. I've actually got paid really well because I'm pretty sure she's been, you know, I've been fed peanuts for a, for entire professional career. Pretty sure she made nothing off the amateur.
So I actually got a really, really good her. She's done for herself to sport boxing for for Pete Fury. You know, everyone should hold their heads up high. They've done really, really well upon a head of a fight.
You know, it's probably Clarissa Schill, who's most challenging, and hands out. And everyone who which is like the rematch, she's been callful because we'd like to see it again and maybe, maybe Savannah just might be something different. So if the other fight I'm on the evening, I think I'd like to mention was Lauren Price now, you know, if you said before, not many of the ladies talk to do with the knockouts on Essie and names of Anna Marshall, which you know, it's different. But but Lauren Price is hard.
She does, she's relentless with his like little people in there. And now she won with four friends, not big, her partner, Cara Sartingsel, with the distance, usually does. And she's, you know, lovely, fluid boxer. And you know, that's a lot of price if I had to put money on.
It's going to be a future world champion. I reckon Caroline Duport, definitely. But I would say that Lauren Price might even leap from her to her to go for one side first. I think she's generally that good.
Yeah, no, I did see that. I did see clips of that on Swisswars news afterwards. So that Lauren Price had won. Yeah, absolutely fair play to her.
I think she's definitely going far. Something that was kind of mentioned afterwards. It was Adam Smith. Adam Smith said on an interview with one of the one of the, it might be ID boxing said that, you know, a lot of women want to go 12 frees.
They want to box 12, three minute rounds. But then I saw both Savannah Marshall and Clarissa Shields, not that they're the voice of every woman box up, it was just interesting to me that they said, now, no, we don't want to do 12 free. I don't want to do 12, three minute rounds. But Shields was like 12 twos.
Let's do 12 twos. See how that goes. But not 12 frees. What do you kind of think about the whole thing around changing the amount of time on boxing?
How did that work for you in terms of trying to score the fight, the two minute rounds? Some people say it's more difficult to score the fights because they go so quickly. When you think about the whole, you know, in terms of time in the amount of time that women box. Yeah, I don't think it should be spread with 12 twos because it's just more twos.
So it's the whole point of the two minute rounds is that you know that 120 seconds you can find a fine spot. You can find a work at certain time team got you minutes for us between. But I think they're going to spread with a time then try four threes, try that instead or six threes or you know, see how that three minute workouts because it's, you fight a different fight then. You know, you can lure someone in to two and a half minutes of acting like a punch bag and covering up, you know, obviously and then in the last 30 seconds while there's a three-per-there is, then you can use it later.
In two minutes, there's a lovely arc to be able to dance around for a minute and a half and in the last 30 seconds, you're not guaranteed that your person's not zapped. So I listen, I've heard probably an equal number of women saying they've got three minute rounds and any other sort of same are happy as it is. I think the only way you're going to find out is start experimenting with it. And then what's going to happen is is where there's more kudos like if for example we see a eight by three minute women's fight and it is an absolute bond, but then somebody other lady's going to be like chuck me in that.
That's what I'm going to be doing. But if it doesn't then it's six or twelve by ten, I'm not sure these sides behind it. But it'd be interesting for someone to enlighten the whole box in community to say why ladies and other women with tennis is there a huge underlying reason why they play three sets instead of five? I mean, I look at the likes of the other women sisters over the years who for me are two of the most supreme athletes I've ever witnessed.
And I reckon they could play thirteen sets that good nevermind three and then still go for like ten K rather the end. So is it a is it that I'm nothing worried about here say for example with a tennis or within football you know if you say to ladies you're going to be playing 35 minutes each way. I'm sure they've had a few words to shout back to you. So with the boxing is a case of they're going to do more for risk to them.
I would have thought it would be more for risk for men because neither punches are heavier. So I don't know I'd be very interested to know the rationale behind the 12 by twos and whether or not that case whoever made it is still sustainable now. I think there's two things for me on it. I think we have to be guided by the science and we have to be guided by the women.
It's what the women want not what Adam Smith or you know Marshall Suitor Man or the WBC or any of the men that are running boxing. I think we should be guided by you know the scientists who know about women's body and how they differ to men's or also the women themselves the fighters themselves. I think they should be the ones that decide it in the end and I'm sure they'll come to something but I like the eight frees idea. I think I think that would be really good.
I think that would be really good. I think you'd see more stoppages with that because it's longer rounds you're going to get more tired. I like the eight frees idea. Again, I think they should be the ones to tell us how it's going to be to be honest with you.
Yeah, I do want to ask that. It was just something that was starting to see the other day. Moving on. Heavyweights.
So a couple of bits have happened. I don't know if it was happening last weekend. It was last weekend. Deontay Wilders back at 37, just 10.37, happy birthday.
Deontay Wilder knocks out Robert Heleneus in a round. I actually put the highlights on. I put the, because it wasn't on it. It wasn't broadcast over here.
So I found a highlight studio on YouTube and put that on. They showed the two entrances. They showed wilder moving a little bit and and then he's trying some straight shots and then it cut and then they showed the knock out. Did you watch the whole fight or the whole round?
What did you think of Wilder? I actually said, I think in a podcast, but the other one, beforehand, during the week, I said this fight will go between one and three rounds. I don't think it's a surprise that Wilder was going to stop Heleneus. I think he knows.
If you look at his two back to back wins he'd have beforehand where, I mean, come on, this is the man. It's just a noise movement. I think about they chucked in Heleneus with Deontay Wilder. I thought Heleneus lost against Derek Shizora for the European years before.
I thought it was for nothing like E to her to get that. He was fighting in Helsinki. So let's just leave it at that. But in terms of his back to back wins, Adam Cowenak.
He's a treatment, Rubi's junior. He's fat and flabby. Don't fight nothing like him. So to knock him out twice and stop him twice is kind of what got him to Deontay Wilder.
Just a load of crack that really is. He lost against Gerald Washington. He got knocked out in the round. I mean, come on, everyone's like, who?
Everybody's going to be good with him back. Really? And then he goes in there against Deontay Wilder. He's got his face up, so he's planning on being honest.
It's a lovely short, unassuming shot, but it was a beautifully timed. Wilder is still back. So now you've got to think, right, that went to go. It's not going to be another fight with Tysen Fury.
No, it hasn't happened. But what about Joe Joyce against Deontay Wilder? The hardest hitting guy on the planet to try and maybe stop the toughest, much of his inner fighting planet. That was working with me.
What about Andrew Ruys, Deontay Wilder, who come back, but also does hit the canvas as well. But there's all sorts of match ups out. I think it would have been better. I don't know.
I just thought it was a stupid fight. I can't understand maybe mentally. Wilder needed a fight where he'd come back, unknown to Dr. Powell.
That would have known to be right. And then I think what it needs to be after was the press conference, post-fying. He was crying. And he was talking about, you know, we put our knives on the line here.
And I understand, you know, he had a lot of emotions sort of get out the way there. So putting him in with Heleneas boosted him, but he did nothing for his CV whatsoever. So now he's got us off the bat. Now he's back in the game again.
Now he's 37 years in state. It's not that more fight. So he can sort of fall to take on weight. Should I say that he can fall to weight full?
So I hope I put him in with someone with a little bit of a bit more pedigree for the next one. Hey, did he a white Anthony Joshua? I've been saying it for years. Now they're a great type of both of them.
Yeah, I think Dylan White's actually taking a fight. I think he's fighting on design. I think he's fighting on the Emi and Arena. Can't remember who it was.
Someone I've never heard of. I think he's fighting again very soon. They've already announced an opponent for him. I can't remember who it is.
Sorry. I thought that would be, I thought that was nailed on. I thought it'd be Joshua against white too. Somewhere.
Some fucking stadium. But they're going to let they're going to let White fight this guy up in Manchester. His name I've forgotten. And I think they're going to I think they're going to do that.
He's fighting a guy called Jameen Franklin. Sorry, it's Jameen Franklin. He's not a guy called Jameen Franklin. You know, he's 21 and 0 on the 26th of November.
They're good people. But I think he's in a fight. I think he's in a fight. Josh, you're in a rematch next year.
Maybe it's Wembley. Maybe it's Cardis. Maybe it's Tottenham. One of the three because he's not really serious about fighting Joshua.
He doesn't even really seem serious about fighting New Six. So, you know, Joshua needs to rebuild, doesn't he? Joshua needs to rebuild. And I think White is kind of perfect for him because White's a big name.
And if White can win this next fight at Wembley, when the arena, then that builds a really big rematch. They'll both hit Peyton really, really well. And I think Joshua wins again. And I think White retires after that.
So I can see it. I can see exactly what he's doing. He makes absolute sense. You're not going to get fury.
You're not going to get the fury fights. He might as well just forget it and just carry on doing what you're doing really. In terms of Wilder, I got it. I got it.
He's like you said. He's coming off back to back against Adam Kanaki. He's won twice a beat him twice. And Kanaki was kind of the hot shit over in America for a little while.
And then Andrew is right. Looks absolutely nailed on for Deontay Wilder. That's been called by the WBC as a final eliminator. It's a good fight.
I think it's a good fight. Wilder and Andrew is. I think it's a pretty good fight. I've linked towards Wilder.
I think just the height and the reach, I think might might mean he can just hit him with straight shots. And if he starts pinging in straight shots against you, you're getting knocked out. But will he look really good? He looked good in your teeth, fight, although he'll tease as you'd say 76 years old.
So yeah, how do you like that fight? Wilder and Ruiz? Is that doing anything for you? Yeah, it's absolutely.
I mean, you've got the man made from Marvel versus the man made from Marvel versus the man made from Marvel. I think that's a great part of the interesting thing is Speedwise, Ruiz is actually probably about three times faster, which makes absolutely no sense at all. He's one of the quickest handed hit weights out there. It's actually caused an upset.
I mean, I don't think that's the on-take handout down. We don't think that he'd be rattled. We know that, you know, I'll probably test the concerned. He caused the shock upset.
Yeah, you knock down Joshua. I think that Joshua's lack of lateral movement is not something that Deontay Wilder possesses in that sort of a bundle. So I think it'd be a more challenging part. But I'd definitely like to see that without doubt, without doubt.
But in the same breath at the moment, I've said that Joe Joyce, there's only one way which Wilder goes in there. He's not going to start pedaling on his back foot and dancing around. He's going to meet fire with fire and Joyce only moves forward. And he's about three and a half-sewn heavy than Wilder.
So it'd be interesting one. Deontay Wilder would have to adjust his gameplay and be able to keep moving forward in time because he physically wouldn't be able to move Joyce back. But in the same breath, looking at a lanius fight, it was a little step to the side of that lovely little sort of check hook that finished off a lanius. So he could work at range or he could work in close as well.
And Joyce can do the damn lot. He just does not have very sexy doing it. But I think it'd be a good fight as well. So yeah, let's see.
The Heavyweight Division is kind of, it goes from sometimes a lukewarm to white-taught. And it's a division that really, really interests me and attracts me. Yeah, it's always fun. It's like I always say, there's boxing and there's heavyweight boxing and the heavyweights are always fun.
I mean, you've got guys like Deontay Wilder and who is, you know, Anthony Joshua and Dylan around, they're all vulnerable. You know, those four fighters are all vulnerable, but they're all fun. And they can all bang and knock the other guy out. Flourry's up, they're the top of the tree, you know, and you know, on a tundo stick as well.
They're the two best, they should be the ones that are fighting next. And let everyone else just kind of sort themselves out really. But Joe Joyce, you can point about Joe Joyce. And my point, what I always seem to make about Joe Joyce is because I'm always paying attention to the politics.
I'm always paying attention to who signed with who, you know, what's easiest to make. And I looked at fuel while he was, you know, apparently surrounding around for an opponent, I'm thinking, well, why isn't Tyson Fury fighting Joe Joyce? They are both signed with Frank Warren. They're both British.
It can happen in England. Why aren't you fighting Joe Joyce? It just makes too much sense for him not to. But instead, we're going to get Tyson Fury against Derek Chizorar in the trilogy.
No one wanted. How many losses did they do? Which is what I have now? 12?
Is it 12? I think 12. I'm going to say 12 or 11. It's 12.
What the fuck Paul? What's going on with this fucking rubber mattress? Not rubber mattress, a trilogy fire. Sorry.
Yeah, I mean, we're going from, you know, Tyson Fury calling out Josh Shabert, whatever happened with Josh, we didn't sign it. That's you know, that's the buy the buy now. But the other fights are there. Yeah.
Do you stick fight? Like we said, Joe Joyce, even Joseph Parker, there's standing different fights are they? What are they going to do now? If I say Joseph Parker, and we have to say Derek, Derek, we say Derek Chizorar, we did.
We were into the trilogy. But I don't think it's the fight. The fans, when I say that, Fury's also calling out or was it in correspondence and videos against Daniel Chara? I mean, come on.
It's that desperate. I think Daniel Duvois, this point is going to give Tyson Fury a tough fight in Derek Chizorar. And it wouldn't be bad if I'd be too premature for her to be bothered. No, it does not interest me at all.
You're hoping there's going to be this whole syndrome and a bad story of him, you know, bringing that special but the last time that Chizorar fought against Fury, you know, Chizorar was vanged around. He was beaten up. And the first fight was obviously far more challenging. But Tyson Fury, if he's still that fighter that we've seen in his last fight, then it's just going to be one by traffic and it's a bit pointless.
And Derek has been taking so many punches, and he's not enjoying seeing that anymore. He looks, and he just felt poo left. And this is too, you know, he was 41 years old, I think, at the time he was 41. He's beaten him a close decision.
It was a pretty close decision. Before then he's been dropped several times by Joseph Parker, who's, you know, heavyweight. So we can bang, but he's not a massive puncher. And he just looks shots a bit.
He looks at the punch resistance gone from Chizorar. And well, 12 Rossies on his record. And like you said, the last time they boxed, Chizorar pulled out after the 10th round, he was not in that fight at all. The first fight was okay.
I remember that fight being okay. It was fucking forever ago. But the last one I think was eight years ago, you know, Fury is at the peak of his powers, and he's fighting somebody's already beat twice. It just doesn't make sense.
But it doesn't make sense to me, because it's been pretty obvious to me that he's wanted, he wanted an easy fight, Fury. He didn't want Joshua. It was just, it was just theatrics and pantomime. Nothing he says is genuine.
Nothing he says is actually meaningful. It's just noise. And he has a great PR team with Bob Iron and Top Rank. They've always played the PR game really well.
But it was clear to me as soon as I said to my memo, Char, and they started bringing out these city deadlines, Oh, Joshua, you have to sign by Tuesday at 6pm. Well, didn't see these deadlines with Derek Chizorar. He wasn't throwing these deadlines at Derek Chizorar. Well, he got signed now, you know, he'll be half three, four weeks later when he could have still been talking to Joshua.
Well, he's not throwing those deadlines at Derek Chizorar. It was he was throwing them at Joshua, but he didn't want that fight. He just wanted an easy fight. And just saying we want to tune up, just say it instead of trying to pretend that, you know, that you want to box, oopsick or box Joshua, he didn't, he didn't.
He wanted an easy fight. And that's okay. But I just think if you wanted to fight someone fight Joyce, Joyce is the same promoter as you. He's British.
He probably deserves a well title fight. He should have fought Joyce, but we're talking about Tyson Fury here. Nothing about him is kind of honest. And it is what it is.
Did you watch any kenbosos? Did you watch the rematch of Haney kenbosos? Yeah, I think we mentioned this a while back in how we thought it would go. I said I cannot see the fight going anyway.
Then it's, you know, first time I said if not, I think that'd be nice and calculate how it went. And that, you know, I can't possibly show the impact in the gym. But it becomes that whole thing of the tip of my low pose, tip of my low pose, you know, beat the man, beat the man basically. And, and, and low pose during that fight against a lama cenco, lama went to sleep for half the fight and he did too late for basically one the second half of the fight.
My pin, I thought it was probably about right there. But then it came down to the fact that one big win, come on, it's a bit about it to be the man. It's a conqueror. And Devin Haney is now kind of like the natural leader.
So it's all about Haney versus lama. I mean, obviously, it could be a good fight. It depends on what lama still got in the tank. But, you know, we're kind of seeing a new generation here.
And listen, come on, it's just, you know, he took a lot of shots in there. I hope he made a lot of money from it. I mean, his wife is killed and they can kind of walk it off into the sunset at some point. But I don't think we'll see him winning the gym at tight again.
I agree. I think he'll go up to 140. I think he might move up and wait, blame the way, why not? Because he's tried blaming the manager of the trainer and he's got himself into some legal hot water.
He's about to get sued for a lot of money. Because that's what happens, right? Fight is loose and they need something then somebody to blame. And so they blame the trainer, they blame the way they blame Volcanicash.
That's just what fighters do, right? They just have to blame something and I get it. I completely get it. Yeah, I think I got to go to 140.
I think everybody gets stopped at 140 by somebody and that'll kind of be that for him really. He's fair play to him. Like you said, beat the man, a beat the man, brilliant performance against Tf Emo Lopez. No matter what excuses Tf Emo made, obviously it was the weight.
He said it was the weight, great performance, both of those. He got himself into position to fight for a title, got himself to be a mandatory and took his chance, fair play to him. But hang the man now. So look, and you're right, it's a lot of the talks he's to be hanging along with Cenco, hanging said himself, he said, well, that'd be easy to make with both of the top rank.
I'll take it, no problem. I think that's easy work for Haney. I think he beats him easily because I think Lomachenko's fun. I think he said, I think the mistake he made, and we were talking at the start of the podcast about Olympic cycles and Croatia shields winning two instead of winning one.
I think that's what Lomachenko did wrong was he did one Olympics too many and he turned over too late. And so by the time he's turned pro, he's done a lot. He's done a lot in the short amount of time. He's been a pro, but he just turned over too late now and now a lot of room and tear, a lot of injury.
So that's too sick as well, actually, he's not going to box now, probably to make due now. Do you give Lomac shot? I don't. But a lot of people do.
How do you feel about that kind of round up? I think Daney is, I think he's done a lot of training. We've got some B8 version, always one word. I think Daven painting is kind of like the taste of the future here.
I think I'll rule that through. It's a bit of a technical division. Just a cycle here from over thinking about fights that have been made, not being made. I mean, I've read today that Gevonte Davis and Rindar, talking about a match of 136 pounds.
Famous catch waves. Yeah, one pound. But yeah, so I think that's a great fight. I think Gevonte Davis wins it.
He'll be just too clever, too powerful for Major Vontay. I've been taking it for years, on his day, he's near it, but near impossible to beat. But it's a great fight. And if you guys see his head is in the right place, he will make it for normally difficult for him.
And you never know, could even pull off an upset there. But that's a great fight to see as well. You've got the likes of Shakosti even sitting here. It's all these sort of young guns that are coming forward at the moment, that will be at Gevonte's own on go.
The young gun in there, but he's still part of the crew of champions at the moment. That could be there for a while. So yeah, there's a few of the oldings in there, which are going to disappear probably in the next 24 months. But they've been tight.
Let's get some of those best match-ups. That'd be good to see. Yeah, I think Hany was, because Hany had this rematch with Kebosos, and then there was a Machenko lawyer around. I was looking at Tanko, a big fan of Tanko, I think we all are, because he's just such an excited fighter to watch.
I mean, he's not the nicest guy in the world, but a lot of new splash people, a lot of boxes aren't nice, a lot of my lovely as well. But I looked at Tanko for the only five I want to see him in was Ryan Garcia. I just think that's going to be fucking fireworks. And Garcia said a couple of fights at 1.40, I think, nothing really at championship level.
And that's probably, he must have a lot of 136 pounds. I was like, what? Why? I think this is why.
I think they're trying to give Garcia a pound. They're trying to give Garcia something to make the fight. It's just about, apparently, what I've read is that it's just about the broadcasters now, because Tanko showed time, apparently, although he says he's not, and then Ryan Garcia was designed, so they got sort that whole thing out. But whatever.
But yeah, I love it. I love it. I think it'd be really good fun. Wow, we've got 51 minutes.
Let's quickly talk about ring magazine before we wrap up. You know what I'm saying? A writer, the steamed writer, scholar. I still need to know what makes you a scholar instead of a writer.
I need Mark Butcher to tell me that. I think he's told me before, but I've forgotten. I need somebody more learned than me to tell me that. Or William's wife, let's tell me, he's a teacher, as a professional.
Ring magazine. So you've written for a magazine quite recently. That must have been nice. Take that off the bucket list.
Done. How's the ring magazine? How do you feel about that? About it?
Sorry. Just a ten of a day at home. I've not seen this yet, but I am a subscriber, so the magazine should come through my door at some point. But in the latest issue, they've said that this is going to be their last regular magazine.
So I don't know what that means. I need to read it. But it sounds like they are starting to wind down the print magazine that they do over a magazine, OK, the Bible Boxing. How do you feel about that whole of the news and everything that's coming out from that?
Yeah, it's tough because I've been writing books for many years. I've had the another pleasure to be able to say that I've published in paper copy with Boxing News and the Ring magazine and my favourite Boxing Monthly for several years. It was always me, it was always a selfishly, should I say, go past that I'd be at the airport and see Boxing monthly on the shelf and go and pull it off and say, oh, you know, it's my name next to the icon. I'll get a little sort of buzz with that.
But it prides me right for any of those, you know, for decades before I, it's pretty much like you're going on holiday or weekends going to get a boxing magazine and pick up a bit of art and legal advice. I did better care of reading it or whatever it may be. So I think it's sad, but I think it's also a bit of a sign of the time as well. You know, sort of looking at the Spotify era when you had cassettes going on to CDs, going on to anything that was physically, you had to carry around with you to download now.
And it's the same with paper, it's kind of moving that direction. With things that are books, it's maybe a little bit different because people still haven't had a physical book in their hands on the whole. It's still also quite healthy for the other physical book. People like to get sign books as well, so you know, it's not going to sign a Kindle with books.
But with the magazines, a lot of people basically buy them, then they throw them. So in terms of the environment maybe and that, but yeah, I think literally just the time of the time, that's generally what I believe. I think there's been a shift in more people downloading through the magazine platforms as well. But especially up to some of the record number of years for magazines.
I'm sad to see the last Ring magazine copy coming out. Yeah, I am. People that have listened to the podcast for a long time. We'll remember, I was recording with Alex and Flonius and we were recording here at my house.
And what I used to do is I let you guys in beyond the fourth wall. What I used to do was we'd have, we'd record in person, it wasn't the digital time. So we'd record in person and again, beyond the fourth wall, I would send Paul running order on the running orders like a link to box record, a link to boxing scene just so we could we've got stuff that we can look at before or during or whatever. But before then before kind of dealing podcasts online, I would print the rankings out.
I used to print out the boxing scene, sanctioned bodies rankings. And then I used to put the free boxing magazines in front of the guys that kind of flick through just to kind of get the juices going. I said, boxing the latest boxing news, the latest boxing monthly and Ring magazine there. For those guys, this kind of flick through before the start of the pod.
And all right, that's the end, before we started recording. And yeah, boxing is my favorite too. I'm not a writer anywhere near the level of yourself or Mark or but my name was in boxing monthly because I did a tweet tribute to Ginti, 20 pass away. And that was they kindly put that in there.
And I did something, I wrote something on social media and that got put in boxing news. I've got sort of three, one article or anything, but just a little something maybe I should write a letter to Ring and get the hatchery. And then we'll finally be cool with the family be peers. But yeah, I think some of my memories of Ring magazine, I remember being in New York and trying to find the latest issue.
And I'm everyone knows how I feel about the written word and the printed word. And right here is a stack of magazines. And yes, as I was saying, long time listeners of the podcast will remember me talking to Alex about some fight. And as he as I was talking to him, he had a magazine in his hand and he had it folded up and he was holding it like he was a racetrack.
And then a copy of the racing post in his hand, he was all screwed up in his hand like this. And I was hoping for you to be making some point about boxing. I've gone, can you stop screwing up my fucking magazine? Because he knows how precious I am about my magazines.
And every so often, every so often, they'll threaten to come round and step on my magazines or something. But it's sad because if we magazines of, you know, if I'm on the right, the covers are always beautiful. The covers are always good. They always have the best writers in it.
So what you like about the championship policy or the sales of Golden Globe Motions, I think that perhaps that may show reputation. I think unfairly. I think you're right. It's the print industry.
The magazine now is very disposable. I've got fucking hundreds of them. I don't know what I'm going to do with them. But I'll find something.
So yeah, it's sad. And you know, I know, they'll find a way to adapt and they'll find a way to, you know, to keep covering boxing in only the way they can. And hopefully you get to work with them again, even if it's online. And I'll get my name somehow in somehow on to their, somehow, do something, famously, or infamously, wherever it takes.
But yeah, I just wanted to cover that because it's, you know, it's a big thing in boxing. And that will do. That will do Paul. Thank you so much for your time once again.
No, thanks. Have me on count. Have so you love it. Bye.
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