Ep. 148 - Around The Edges

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Episode 148, I am your real host, Alex from Bristol. It's good to have you along. Thanks for joining us. I am joined today by Callum.

Hello, mate. And for Loni Spulf. Hello, hello, hello. We have a packed show for you, Chaps and Chaps this evening.

And I'm going to host it, actually, so I'm just going to carry on. Because I feel like with everything that's going on in the world, we've all got cost of live-ins, we've all got multiple prime ministers and stuff. I feel like one thing in this world should go back to the way things were. And the way things were is basically me running the show and letting you two just talk and me throwing in little nuggets of wisdom and in-ring experience.

So that's what we're going to do. So let's start on. I'm really hoping to run all of the here. The thing that's on here is, what about boxing 11-year-olds?

Do you want to explain that? Yeah. My nephew's 11 years old. And recently he's taken, he likes boxing, right?

He's been to the gym a couple of times. He's a fighting man. He's all right, right? And he likes boxing.

So I have a little mess around with him. I'll put the gloves on and I'll kind of box him and hit me in a shoulder and I'll fall over and get counted down kind of thing. And the other day, I had a little move around with him. And I've started grabbing him.

I've started grabbing him. I've started grabbing a little rest and just frustrating him a little bit. So I did that. I grabbed a hold of him.

He had a little rest and then my brother's, my other brother's coming to break us. And then he's coming to break us. I've done the thing he was supposed to do, which is kind of relax and not defend myself. And my nephew has left hook to be right in the fucking eyeball.

He caught me with a dirty left hook right in the eyeball. I thought, oh mate, that kind of hurt. And I thought, I'm going to go down. I'm going to take the count here.

And so I'll quit. I'll quit. Like Victor Ortiz just went down and took the count. See, that's not as long as...

11, he should be learning the lessons of life. I feel like you're being too soft on him. What's your thoughts on that, T? Yeah, it's not good enough with your kel.

He shouldn't have shared us. You've also given away your surname and pretended that you're a fighting man. I love you more than almost anyone else that I know. But if I was in a fight, you are last.

Well, one of my favourite things to do on the right of social event is start talking like a geezer and start talking about fighting around Alex because you see him just kind of rise a little bit. You're not a fighter, how are you doing that? It's not true. It's not true.

It's not that. It's the incredulousness. But it's the incredulousness. It doesn't make me angry.

It makes me like someone saying that they sold cold fusion last night. They didn't have them. That's the only reason why. But anyway, we move on to more serious matters about someone that probably would be the size of an 11-year-old if it wasn't producing.

Which is one of them. So, you know, allegedly. So he has released a statement off the back of voluntary relinquishing his British boxing board of control of license, essentially. Charges were upheld by the British boxing team.

He's been a very good player. He's been a very good player. He's been a very good player. He's been a very good player.

He's been a very good player. So, we move on to hold the board. If he did not accept that his license is lapsed, he relaunces it. I'm quite sure to word on it, but, OK.

He strongly refuses the allegation of his conduct. Gran gets wish for the avoidance of doubt he's not in relation to the mother issue and believes firmly that an independent tribunal will reach a wholly different conclusion. The appropriate time Conyr will speak out on this and the authentication to extent he can whilst legal proceedings are ongoing. In the meantime, he reiterates no in terms of anything in terms of anything in terms of being an athlete.

So, that's the statement that we've been given. Cal, where are we landed with this? What's, has ever changed after a few more bits we've heard from Eddie Hurne in terms of the the time in and the conduct of the board in the lead up to the decision to call the fight off and Connor's ultimate reaction since everything's dropped. Where are we now?

Not a whole lot changed really. So the rule that he allegedly broke, which is why he was called to face the board, is nothing to do with doping. It was about his conduct and something else is not actually to do with doping. It's also doesn't really change anything in regards to the kind of the doping allegation that's going to go in front of you, Cadd.

And it sounds like he's going to try and fight that all the way. And me and T were talking about this last night and the way back from the swears game. And I thought, well, he could just admit it and just take a ban and get on with it. But I think you can normally when they dish out a ban to someone, they don't dish out a six month ban.

They're not like Vegas. They're not like, you know, in Nevada State, I've let a commission on New York that dishes out a six month ban. They'll back in with two, four years. They'll, they'll really hit him.

So he kind of has to fight it if he wants to, if he wants to box any time soon. So doesn't, in terms of the doping thing, doesn't change a whole whole lot. Really? The boards seem to be standing quite firm.

Really. They're not, they're not, they don't seem like they're going to, they're going to roll over a tool for Connor Ben or for Eddie home. They're, you know, they're ready to go with this. They seem confident in their case.

And I'm not sure that Eddie heard a matter of our, as confident as that statement is because Eddie heard apparently even with deleting tweets about Connor Ben left and right. So, um, so if you're going to have dealt, okay. If, what are they saying as the misconduct? They didn't actually say, they didn't actually say they say, contributing this rule.

And the rule is very vague. It's just about was, you know, it was misconduct, basically. It's not really anything to do with drugs, anything to do with how we behaved our press conference or how he was, um, away in it. Just, it's a very, very vague rule, but it's nothing related to drugs.

It's very strange. So could this be, so, T, do you think this, for this to be a thing now, is this, is this a kind of face saving measure from the board? You know, if they can't, or one trying to say is maybe another tactic of trying to, you know, punish him for something that they can punish him for, because they can't punish him for Vada because the ball doesn't, doesn't recognize Vada. I mean, what, what's going on here?

This, you know, does it seem a little bit like a valiant to you? The whole thing does, I mean, they're talking about contaminated samples now. They come out of all these very bizarre excuses. It's all just a bit of a mess.

I think it was a UCAD who didn't have the money to, um, to pin on, um, to pin the ban on transom fuel. So I don't know if it's the same body involved with this, but I suspect it about the money to follow through to its conclusion. But no, I don't know. I mean, it, it looks like he did it to me and I think a lot of the public probably thought the same.

Now I think the tide has turned when he first got done a Fortman, maybe to an accident, but all the action since looked like it got your man to me, in, in my opinion. You know, it says he's a clean athlete. But the fact that you're a trainer had that video and took it down to all of his content, the training who says, oh, this is how you pass a drug test. Just just, it just thinks.

So, uh, listening to any head today, uh, he's probably been more, um, more directing where he feels this is going to go, uh, than he has been before. And I think what he was saying today was that from the science that everyone has seen, you know, I'm quoting the beta, not that I'm quoting the beta here, obviously, but, um, but everything leads to contamination. What he's saying is in terms of, he's not saying that someone's come and put something in a drink or whatever, you know, in that kind of traditional connotations that, um, contamination has, he's saying, look, uh, this, we feel that this can be got into your system forever. Ways eggs, chicken, for example, some of the stuff that's, that's come out.

So I feel like that's something that needs to be clarified in terms of contamination. I think the likelihood is from my, from my view is the likelihood is, as Cal said, he'll get whacked with a fairly hefty ban because the B sample's not going to be any different. So, and then the project will be, do you know what? Yeah, there's no evidence of, they can't prove it.

He was like at the end of a cycle stuff because of the, you can test that he'd had before. And then you can test that he, he, he actually had booked, I think, for, for the same day. So the project will be, or the PR project will be, look, this was, it was in my system via another means. I'm not saying something, I've been, you know, accidentally doped or, you know, purposely doped, you know, without my knowledge, this has come from a mistake that I've made.

I should go into my body and I didn't, and okay, I'll accept it. Now, whether, you know, whether that gets swallowed by the public, and that might be very well be the case, you know, we don't know that for sure. Um, but I think that's probably where we're going to end up. But either way, again, and we've said this before, and I'm sure you talked about on the other podcast, it's not a good look for the sport.

It's something else that we then have to go and clean up. And it's just, it's just such a mess. And, you know, what it leads to as well is a show pony. And I mean, that in the nicest possible way for matchroom is, is done, really, for the considerable future.

You know, that is a big rising star in a pay-per-view, uh, landscape, if we're honest right now. So where, you know, what do you, what, what would you say the reaction or the response needs to be from Connor Beno and his promoters and team, if Vada put this ban on him? Does he fight it? Does he say, look, I just disagree with it.

Can we all just go look, you know what? Okay. I disagree with it, but I'll accept it. And then we don't hear from him for the next month.

Uh, it'll be, you can't, it does the ban not Vada Vada. Sorry. Yeah. And they, sorry.

No, I know you're saying they just do testing. You can't do the bans. If they take, say it's two years, he can fight it or it can go somewhere else and box somewhere else. Cause I think if he went to America, it's like boxing, solely in America, I think, I think it could be fine.

I think he'd be allowed to do that because America is the world, where boxing is the world, where there's 50 different states and 50 different athletic commissions. Um, I think he'd be all right to do that if he probably get away with it. Um, if you really, I've just found that rule, I've just found that the, the rule that he was allegedly broke is actually really vague. Uh, the rules are you allegedly broke?

Rule point, 25.1 is, and that reads as A, any breach of rules and regulations, B, any failure to comply with an order made by the board, C, any failure to honor any contractual obligation, D, any attempts directly or indirectly to induce the breaking of any contractual obligation and E incompetence. What the fuck does that mean? That could be an absolute, anything. It could be the drugs.

It could be the drugs. I might have been wrong there. Um, so that's where they put him in front of the board for. He didn't want to go for a bit.

It's almost like he played guilty before and just really criticized because what else can they do to him? They can take his license off him. They can find him. That's about it, really.

Um, so yeah, I don't, I don't know what he can do really. If you had banning for two years, he's got no choice. He's going to have to go somewhere else and box. So if he's allowed to.

And so just to kind of wrap up on this, we're going to hear more of this week. Um, one next week, sorry, I think is the timeline of when a lot more of this stuff is going to come out. Um, tea, do you feel that, uh, you know, like we've done with so many other fighters, because he is, you know, he's an exciting fighter and, you know, he is entertaining to watch. Do you feel that, you know, once this banner, if he does go in box on or else or whatever, you know, we'll all be interested to come and watch him again whenever that time may be and I'm just like they have been with Canelo and maybe Titan Fury and whoever else will fade off into distance and it'll be a footnote in UK boxing history.

Yeah, I think I think that's probably what will happen. I don't think it'll take his name too much in the boxing world. What I was going to call last night and where this differs is that, um, you know, Canelo was cutting weight. I think Titan Fury again was cutting weight with the stuff they got caught with.

What, um, Connor Ben has done, he's barked up an absolute shit that is a picture of any start up to what he is now. And it's, it's almost too different men. Also, when he first started out, he was never a puncher. Now he's knocking people clean out.

So it does think of someone who might have, you know, tampered with the drugs that might put him in a different light, but I don't think, um, I didn't imagine a positive or that way to negative for him because he's a crossover star. He probably got, he probably did a David Hay God and I'm a celebrity. Yeah, a few more fans and then when the band's over, he's backing him in again. So, yeah, I think, I think it'll be a mere footnote.

You know, it's a shame that we don't hold, you know, and I'm guilty of it as well, but we don't hold in this sport, people, people to it, you know, longer term. So, you know, we'll find out more next week and let's see where we land, but, um, you know, we all want it, you know, really, we should all want it to be a genuine mistake or accident or, you know, some incompetence from a nutritionist or whatever. Um, you know, I personally don't believe it is. I agree with you.

I think he's been, I think he's been popped and it's a PR exercise now, but, you know, we should want it, you know, we should want it to be a, um, a circumstantial thing, really rather than anything. But let's, um, let's move on to the mother news. Sorry, I got a four. If he fights this for the next year, 18 months, what's stopping them remaking the you back fight?

Because he technically an innocent man until he goes in front of you, can, has a hearing and everything else. What's the stopping fighting in that time? Yeah, but I mean, if you talk about the you bank fight, another 18 months of age for you bank for to then come and do what he did, you know, and he's so that bit driven, making weight on the fight, they look, I mean, look completely, treaded, but he looked horrific, you know, it made me, it made me feel uncomfortable. Uh, and I was never particularly massively uncomfortable with the, with the weight at the time.

I felt like, you know, both feel what they can do it. And there's a three months worth of discussion and they land on agreement and heavy penalties. Obviously, I was comfortable with being able to do it, but that picture really, it took me aback. You know, I was like, you know, that is about the fire.

I like watching and who I've spent money to go and watch and, you know, had good nights out going to watch because we're, because I'm a fan of him. I don't want to see him like that. Yeah, it looks, it didn't look good. So yeah, you're probably, you know, you're right.

There's nothing stopping them. But, um, I think that might hinder it slightly. I think I feel like the moment's gone for it now. If it's not going to happen, like, you know, and they were talking about reshettling it and it being a month down the line.

It's not going to happen, is it? So, um, so yeah, let's talk about, um, sorry, one, the population to be much. Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

Um, another person that we have spent money on going to see, um, I enjoyed, uh, time with in this country is our expense. And we found out last few, last few days or last week or so that it's spent some crueffle. It's not going to happen this year, despite some noises, probably the most positive noises that we heard for a while, but it actually was going to, and, uh, and Terrence, the little tinke is going to go five David Evans in. What do we think about that?

Count Joe, it's a real shame because it just felt like, if I like it was definitely going to happen, we've heard all these noises for the last two, three months that that it was happening. It was going to be November or October. It was going to be November. And it was like, all right, it's all done.

And normally when PBC are working on a fight, they don't, nothing's really out. They're in a public. They're usually just, okay, you're kind of here that they're going to agree it. And then you'll wait a month and then announce the date.

They don't really like to have a lot of long run up to their fights. They'll just, they'll get the contract signed in kind of private and then they'll go, right, this is where my boxing and then announce it like a month before. They don't really do that whole three form of all this is happening. They just go, all right.

Yeah, this is out. It's going to be in pay for you, whatever, whatever. They just don't really do it like that, which is fair enough. But yeah, so I just thought, all right, they'll announce date at some point.

This is done, but they'll announce a date. And then, and then there was the story that came out of boxing scene that, um, that, that Spencer's camp were a bit confused about what was kind of going on with Crawford that they'd kind of, that they'd sent him a contract and he'd sat on it for two weeks and not really done anything with it. And then the next day, it comes out that he's fighting David Evanescian and David Evanescian is a good fighter, but he's been boxing at a British domestic level for the last couple of years, even, even as European champion, he's not been beating anyone that's above British title level. So as much as I like David Evanescian, I don't give him a shot here.

T, where did you land on this? And over, we know that this is something that it might be one of those fights. If it doesn't happen at the times where it's allowed to happen in terms of both people talking that we could end up with another fight that we potentially never see. Well, I think I give this fight another 12 months.

If it doesn't happen in the next 12 months, that is going to happen. And Crawford is, I believe, 3435 now. So I don't know if it happened in Spencer's talk about being very tight at the weight as well. So it's not, it's not great.

I mean, it looked at me like it's Crawford's fault because, um, that's, isn't that something that came out from surgery, career saving surgery. And for Garcia and Ugas, two guys who you wouldn't just, they're not going to get me, he's only took him on. And, you know, take a look at him is it's things, but I did see one little positive bit in news is that it might happen in February next year instead. I don't think either of these guys are paper view stars either.

So the money that won or both of them are demanding just isn't going to happen. They don't mean cut to a cot to a cot to a last night that John said, well, I've only got 70,000 views, 30,000 buyers on those paper shows. So I don't see what these guys are going to make, but you have an use since not on, not on Crawford level or just be some of those fights I'll have to take up the next morning when someone is bored of the result. I won't be saying that for it.

So and we heard from Crawford, you know, it's, Crawford's been been quoting and saying that the, that Elle spent his debt and his history, you know, so that doesn't, that doesn't help either. And let's hope, let's hope it does because again, it's just, you know, but I've seen a lot of tweets and a lot of stuff on social media over the last few weeks of just of people becoming not even angry, but just weary with, with boxing in terms of fights that don't get made and promoted with each other and it don't work with others. And, and just how, you know, it's us, it's us as fans that essentially are, you know, lose out on it all really all comes down to us because you can't follow following this sport is, you know, it's not although there are people that support certain stables and stuff like they support 14, but it's hard to follow this sport and to support the sport when, you know, there's just so many other, there's so many avenues you have to defend against. So why you don't get to see what you want to see, essentially.

And, but yeah, I mean, can we talk about Crawford and David and Essien then? I mean, I mean, I've seen quotes from a couple of people already heard me and one of them was that, you know, no one really wants to see that. I mean, I'm interested in that. I don't know about you.

Oh, no, can't, sorry. That is it. I'm not interested in the fight as I said, I won't just go up and watch it. But it was a bit of intrigue because we wanted Conner Ben to face everything.

So we'll see what we do if he wins any round against Crawford. Hey, maybe you should quite want to play. Maybe you'll be able to get back then. Yeah.

David and Essien has been European champion long enough where you can go. All right. It's time. It's time for him to box it.

Well, it's time for him to box it all. The WBO is probably the least sexy of the four world titles. So you can look at it like, OK, yeah, go on, go on, back off and of course, not a career. Well, it's a great way.

He's not like a Spencer's big at the way. He's a career. Well, away. Some might be quite tall and quite lean, but he's quite small in terms of his stature at well, away.

So Evanessian might look him and go, well, he's 35. You know, he's been, he might overlook me and Evanessian has been knocking concert left and right. So he might, he might fancy it and a 35 coming up through those divisions. That's hard.

And that's a lot of wear and tear on his body. He's had a long time out. That's where Evanessian's camp may look and make him maybe, maybe. Yeah, I agree.

I mean, I find David, I'm not saying I was going to say fascinating. I might be a bit strong, but I find it fascinating. I do think he's someone that no one really wants to fight and then, you know, they go into positions where they have to. And naturally, what we see with these people is that after a while, I've been one of those people that has been avoided and missed out by, you know, particularly some up and coming fighters where you feel like right now is a time to fight that someone like David, but he doesn't have the pool power and that's their excuses that, you know, no one really knows who he is.

So the risk and reward thing is not there. I think what you tend to see with those fights is eventually that reward being does come in terms of just credit that you would get for going and beating someone like him in a impressive fashion. And that credit kind of builds up and builds up and it's just about timing, you know, and we've just created it. So if they're not giving us what we want at the right times, but sometimes, I mean, when it comes to people like David and I, he has to kind of just sit and wait for him to be to become the right person at the right time.

And that's not right. And it's not necessarily fair and it's not necessarily best for the sport. But that's that's the case. I would say I would watch that like that's something that I would be excited to watch.

I'm going to let the listeners behind the curtain a little bit now, because Kowl's put on a lovely run, all of it is written for us. He's written something twice about a lightweight super six. So I'm going to read both things to see what he's put. So the first one is lightweight super six, tank Garcia, composed of Zuma, Cenco, Haney and Shukur Stevenson.

They think box home in a way. How does come by? Oh, yeah. How does come by?

Combos this win. And then second he's written all that again, but he's corrected himself and said, how many does that compose this win? Which one would you like to answer first? So how does he win to the first, which is a typo?

The first one makes me think how does he win the whole tournament? So I guess how does he do that? Is by getting an Australian judge on every fight. He needs to negotiate to have like fucking altitude on as a judge for every single fight.

And then he will get at least one scorecard and he's just got to go to distance. And then how many? I think he'd be right in Garcia in Australia. I think so.

Say this. Say they will box each other twice. I'm in a way. I think he beats Ryan Garcia at home.

It's interesting. Yeah. Really? Yeah.

I think he wins one. I think Ryan Garcia has got a bit of a quick in him. I think he's got a bit of Victoria's about him. He's got some quick in him.

I think. Yeah. Well, I hope the tank fight gets made. I think tanks are fucking ruining them out where it is.

But I think if he fights combos in, you know, Ramsey Street, I think he's in trouble. Not a good way. Prams are street. Fight on the cobbles on Ramsey Street.

Tony is out of three. Yeah. He comes out, walks out to Kylie and Jason. Yes.

See, why don't you answer the other question in terms of how many does Kambo says when? I'd have to go with Katar Bafika. As a no-guass, he doesn't seem like somebody would know quite through a cut, for example. But I think an Australian have a massive advantage.

You know, as Cal said, you know, after you as well, you know, how much pressure is a judge? So I think I'd have to give him a good one. But then to be fair, I think he put I think that Machenko might be could be beatable for him purely because I think I think his best mind is gone. I think his time has gone.

And I think one three five is just too much for him. So maybe two tops, I'd say. Yeah, I agree. I was going to say about Machenko as well.

But if there's if there's somewhere where you can catch someone at the perhaps at the slightly wrong, not wrong weight, but you know, slightly more challenging weight at the right time, it might be him. But yeah, other than that, I don't see a huge amount. I mean, who's if you've got if I give you, you know, two grand and you've got to watch any one of those, those six against, you know, nobody who you pay your money to go and watch. If you got to choose, you get best seats tank.

Tank all day. Yeah, I agree. I agree. We love to say.

Well, like, I know it's not a popular opinion. I do like Devin Haney. I do. I do.

I find I find him interested interested to watch. You know, he's not the most explosive in there. I mean, I agree. Tank would be my first choice as well.

But I do like I like Devin Haney. And I got serious, a funny one for me because I don't know how much we judge on actual ability and how much we judge on just him. Like, I don't look like a fight for a fight. That's just because he's pretty.

If he had to like collie flowery is like a, you know, completely flat nose and one eye. Is that what you said? Is that why you judge my fight and style? Because I'm pretty.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, I don't want to risk that little that little goatee of yours. Yeah, I don't want to risk losing any any any follicle damage. Yeah, I agree with you.

So, um, what, so I'm talking about my friend, go and arrest me if we had a 12 week camp, right? So we're doing this properly, right? Right. If we had a 12 week camp, you got nutritionists, you know, you got your S and C, everything you need.

What weight are you making tea in a full 12 week camp without drinking or smoking any of the stuff that you're doing right this second? I would say, I mean, OK, right now I'm probably about maybe 205, 210. So light heavyweight probably the most. I think super middleweight I'd probably be like a buddy.

What's it called? I'm Christian. I'm going to play the skinny bloke. Now I think 175.

I get destroyed at cruise away because I'm only six foot tall. So it just wouldn't work. So yeah, that'd be 175. Cam.

Yeah, I'm what are you walking around that these days? I tend to fluctuate between about 13 10 and 14 stands. What's 14 says like 196, right? So between 192, 186 and I eat like a fucking toddler.

I make no effort with my diet at all. So I think in 12 weeks, I might be at probably like heavy. I'm six foot six foot one. So like heavy, maybe super middle.

I'll go like heavy. I want to be all right. I want to have some water on me. 12 weeks to get to 168.

If you didn't like if you weren't, I mean, even with you is it angers me. It is ridiculous. Like if something doesn't sting the roof of Callum's mouth with flavor, then it's nothing. It's nothing to him.

He's got a palette of, yeah, nine year old essentially. I reckon so I walk around about 170, 171, not like you two fabrics. So I reckon 12 weeks, a good, like, and look good for it would be, yeah, would be middleweight, I think. I think I think middleweight.

Where? 10 pounds in. Yeah, I think so. Cause I'm not quite as, I'm not quite as less than you.

I do go to the gym. Yeah, yeah. I look after myself. What can I say?

But yeah, so I have to work pretty hard to get down to 168 to get to get to middleweight. I think I look good for it. A nice, strong five foot nine middleweight. I'd essentially be, I'd be just Jamie Moore.

Yeah. Is there any more? Don't say. Jamie.

Sorry, my thing froze for a second then. So we all back up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can hear you.

Good. Got it. So you've had 12 weeks in camp, T, right? So you're looking good.

You know, you've got, you know, you've got a bit of water on you. But what you've also got is a fat load of juice. Who you beating in that division in your best shape with a whole bottle of soda light inside you. A very dramatic level of knowledge is going to really up the fucking panel.

I'll give anyone a senior buyer's bill to wake below. Yeah, a senior buyer's field. Yeah, that would be great at the copper box. Yeah, maybe be more than scrapping that last time before.

Exactly. Oh. So we know how much you love drugs. What, where would you be?

Yeah, I was thinking about like levels. I was thinking about like level. I was thinking about like level. I was thinking about like level.

I was thinking about level. I was thinking about like level. I was like, well, could I get to like Southern area title level. I think that's a big difference.

I got a lot of consensurate to that. Who's that guy? That guy. No, he's not really gone for it.

What is this? Four losses. I hope he doesn't come offrically, but Mickey. Mickey Ellison is ranked number 23 in a common way of unbox rock rock.

I reckon I'll stop in to the body. We're fucking veins for the juice. I've got like prime, prime victory, cocktail in my corner. I'm fucking rammin it at me.

I'm rammin it to juice at me. Sam Egginton. Oh. And if I do the Sam, you know, what I'm afraid I might do the Sam, I might do Liam Williams in the same night.

Oh. Oh my God. Wow, that's amazing. Joe, I'd love to be though.

Do you know what I'd love to be? I fucking love to be Felix Cash. I'd love to embarrass him. I don't know why he seems like a really nice bloke.

He really gets on my tits. So he's someone just for no reason that I have an issue with. Absolutely no reason whatsoever. But I'd like to be him.

Yeah, Egginton Cash, Williams, done. I love Cara. I love Cara. Luke Blacklitch, that's one big kid.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I got the question wrong. I got the question wrong. He got the question wrong.

I think he's got the answer. I think he gets bang on the Jews. He could spark him. This is so disrespectful.

Speaking of other disrespects, I find other reasons for us to have conversations about fires that we hate and fires. I hope you don't like that. I hope you don't like that. T, would you accept your favourite fight against stopped?

If the fight you hate the most, the most in the world got stopped on the same card? Are you that petty? The problem is that if my fight of fights first, and you've used this for us, and that happens, I'd be happier. So if my fight of fought after, then it kind of affects things a bit, but yeah, I think I'm rather see, the fight I hate the most got stopped.

If I'm in the crowd. I mean, I think when we were all there, and barely got beat by you, sick and I don't know the great nights. That was, we were probably the only other people in that area hated more than David Hay at that point. I think David Hay was even connotating on him at that night when he thought that was a good.

We were vocally supportive of the Ukrainian in his time of, well, not needs, because he didn't need us. He put Tony to sleep in Eddie's lap to all by himself. But we were not, we were not quiet in our sport when we'd sit for that night. Do you know what, for me?

I don't feel like I have a favourite fighter at the moment. There isn't anyone for me who I am just like, completely would be whatever time he's fighting, whatever time, whatever time zone, whoever's fighting against, I'm watching it. I don't know, I genuinely don't think I have someone like that right now. You know, Christian Bank, I love just because of the nights we've had go around and following him.

But there isn't really anyone, you know, everyone knows that George Groves was my boy. He's long gone now. I don't, what I need is someone who has been completely and utterly robbed and disrespected by the system for me to get behind. Who could that be?

Who could that be? Who's the biggest robbery? Oh, um, oh, Jesus, my mind. Who lost the table?

But didn't lose the table. Oh, yeah, cattro, cattro, cattro, yeah. Yeah, oh, yeah, cattro, cattro, cattro is my new hobby horse now. That's, that's my favourite.

So it has to be a hard-to-back question fight against dogs. I love it when fight is, I don't like it stopped. I mean, I'm more than happy to see that. I don't have my favourite fight against dogs if it meant that someone I'm really disligh.

I don't dislike Andy Joshua, but I really do enjoy seeing him lose. And I can't give you a reason why. I just, it's just, although now it's free time, it's getting a bit, it's not quite the same. It's probably not.

Yeah. I mean, I like the indirect chizore lose because I feel like every time he does lose, I think I'll get without it now. Not just because I generally am worried about his health, but also because, you know, fights like what's happened with him and Fury can't keep getting made then. So yeah, I'm paying off of that to happen.

Have we talked about Fury and Chizore and Erena? We want to have a quick mention about the press conference. And, you know, the fact that they've sold out, it's what I'm not supposed to say to him, essentially. Yeah, I reckon.

Well, I saw on Reddit, a lot of people were saying that a lot of the tickets were gone, but were already on the reach because tickets sell out, tickets, master, sorry, have their own resale site, like their own stub hub. So they were instantly going from the main site to the resale site really quickly. So a lot of people feel like this. Does that not happen with everything anyway?

Yeah. Yeah, but it seems to happen really quickly and they kind of made out like there's no tickets available when there is. I imagine if you went on there and see if you could buy tickets right now, I don't know. I would actually, it's really interesting because we didn't talk about fighting, we want to see fights, lose some love to see types of Fury, lose.

I don't understand that. I just wanted to lose because I don't think it was really interesting. He's just really unlikable. And our opinions on boxing is usually very aligned, but this is somewhere where we differ.

Look, we all have our micringe moments with Tyson at times. Don't get me wrong. He says shit. Okay, that's fine.

What people that are a little bit unhinged like him don't say shit, right? But I genuinely think he's incredibly likable. When he's actually not on a soapbox or not doing his kind of shtick. When you're actually just talking and there are some interviews where he is just more like that.

I find him hugely likable. I love Tyson Fury and I'm not ashamed of it. You can't see my phone, but there he's so far loaded tickets left of Fury Chizora. It's fucking loads of them.

Well, that's... Just quickly just typed in Fury Chizora tickets. I think that's a great scrolling of his loads. God see, sorry.

Oh, God. I think seeing VL staunters quit against Kinello was one of the greatest moments. I've been boxing in a very, very, very long time. So that'd be the fight that I hate.

I was happy to see him get beat. I don't really have a favorite because as Alex has said, we're kind of in this kind of in-between period of top boxes. I don't know. I mean, I think you mentioned probably a favorite of the three of us.

So I guess maybe him. I wasn't devastated that he'd not to get to the door to go. I mean, I liked him. He'd been a lot of the time.

I don't know. I just find him. And also, I love Josh Taylor, but I don't know. It came out as a bit of the racist and behaved in Bay Bay when I was in the catwalk fight.

So I hate him now. So, yeah. What am I doing? Yeah.

No, you're right. We are in this kind of in-between phase. Look, we've spent money. We've spent money going watch- we've watched Josh Taylor.

We've watched lots of different people, you know, and twice actually Josh Taylor. I didn't get to see the second one because I got the family. I didn't see where I had to leave. I didn't even sit to my pint.

I'd literally been there about 45 seconds and then had to leave. But yeah, he's another one that we've spent money on and gone to see on our little trips together. But yeah, he didn't do himself any favors to me. But yeah, actually, yeah, the same, yeah, the same.

The other player actually to watch is up there. That's true. I'm trying to think- there's anyone- Billy Joe Saunders is definitely watching this. I was quite happy to see Lewis, but again, there's also no one that I really hate Eva, actually.

So maybe we'll just grow up a little bit. Maybe we're just maturing now. It's this nice area of growth. Do you think- I missed the Froch Groves day.

I missed the Froch Groves and the Gail days where my battle lines were drawn. No matter what anything that any of the Eva ones did, it didn't matter. I love them all hate them. I just don't have that now.

I feel like they're poor before it right now. Absolutely. I feel like that too. I missed the May River Packier days of just bickering with people on the fucking Guardian comment section about that Packier was juicing or didn't want to take the fight, or I do miss the aftermath of May River Packier.

I didn't sleep. I watched the fight and I didn't sleep afterwards. I went to what Spurs against Man City, and I just didn't sleep for the whole rest of the day. Do you think- I think maybe we just need another trip.

I think we should just go to Japan for a new way back in the back. I think a new way is my favourite fire right now. A new way is. He's my favourite fire.

Yeah, that's true. He's so fucking good. I actually, it was really weird. Somebody was able to post the entire new way, done air fight, the second fight, on Twitter the other day.

They managed to post the whole fight and the video went to it. I sat there on the bus watching the fight, watching the fight, and I just loved it. I think he is my favourite fire. It also helps his fights take place at 12 o'clock in the afternoon, British time, which is really good as well.

You can watch them at the office. That's handy. Yeah, which is really nice. He's just so good.

I hope Paul Puckley gets paid really well when he goes out to Japan to fight him because I've got an outside for a day. He's going to get smashed a bit of his butt left. I hope he gets paid really well. He's going to get hit by the other day and then he's going to get super bad at him and do what he does from there, on the world.

Before we wrap up, I want to talk very quickly about Maruxius Solomon confirming that Wilder and Ruiz. So to be sanctioned on November 8th, which is when their convention is, that's a fun fight. We all have our thoughts on Wilder and Ruiz, but that's a wilder coming back into division is a welcome addition. No?

Tea? Yeah, absolutely. It's only in shrieking fight because, you know, obviously Wilder can be a good guy. Obviously Wilder can bang, but Ruiz certainly can get up and win a fight.

I don't know if Wilder could have been knocked down and come back to win. That might have played his mind a bit. But there's a lot of recently biased in boxing in the win, which Wilder beat Helenius. Probably the boogamant, almost a fight.

But I think Ruiz and Wilder really need the fight because I think Ruiz needs a bit of redemption after the no-show against Tyson. I think Wilder won't want to prove that. Ruiz isn't better than him. So that makes a fight intriguing.

Very, very, very intriguing. What did you think of the knockout of Helenius? Because it was a strange, it was almost open-handed from about six inches away. So, you know, that's just because he's so, just because of the amount of Harry's able to generate such a short distance, right?

You know, let's talk to Dives and all the rest of it, which obviously is nonsense. But, you know, it was a different type of knockout. Not a different type of knockout, but it was inconspicuous knockout. Well, he was doing what he almost never does, and that's boxing backwards.

And Helenius was quite aggressive. He was really quite aggressive in that opening round. And I guess he would be aggressive. You know, obviously, yes, he does carry power, belly voice.

But he's been knocked out twice in a row. And so, Helenius is probably going to look at him when he's 37. He's been knocked out twice in a row. Maybe I can get him out of there.

Helenius isn't amazing. But he was coming off two good wins against Adam Kanaki, and he's, you know, he's his big payday. So, you know, like, I have a little guy, but he was a little bit open and a little bit reckless. But that's wilder.

If he sees the opening and he catches you with the shot, whether it's round one or the closing seconds of round 12, he believes that he can find that shot and he believes he can knock you out. And that's what happened there. He saw the opening and took it, you know, even on the back foot and got him out of there. And, you know, you can't, you can't underestimate having 20 pounds off him.

How that looked, you know, he looks like his old self, having that extra 20 pounds, you know, when he's been at his best, is when he's been about 210. That's when he's always looked at his best, being about 210 pounds. Quite like, quite nimble, still carries power. I think, I think one thing we've learned about Wilder, particularly in the last period of fight is that, you know, he has got that.

He doesn't strike me as someone, although I've losing those, those two fights, all losing the fight, the way lost it. I don't, he's not someone that's going to be like apprehensive about coming in and doing what he thinks he needs to do. In fact, he's not going to change his style because he's apprehensive about what might happen to him. I think, you know, he's got that heart, he's got that, that drive, I think, to be able to just do what he thinks is actually best.

You know, sometimes you see with fighters that have been on the type of run that he has, you know, maybe just more apprehensive and play it safe, I just don't think you'll see that from Wilder, which means he'll continue to be excited. Finally, actually, there was one more thing I wanted to talk about before we finish up, which I thought was, just quite interesting, is on November 26th, when we see Fabio Wardling as Nathan Borman, which I actually think is a really, really good fighter. Yeah, no, sorry, just, was that at me? Sorry, yeah, for the British title, which, you know, has always had something to it.

That's something I think is a genuinely interesting domestic point. Yeah, I think Joe Joyce had the British title for ages in ER3, Degas DuBois, European title as well, and now he's won the Inter-WBO belt, that's kind of freed up the domestic belts now. Yeah, I agree. I saw that because that's under the white undercard, it's under Dylan white undercard, and at Wembley owner.

And I saw that, I thought, well, that's pretty decent because Nathan Borman, he lost the DuBois didn't he? And we've not seen a lot of him, but I think Fabio Wardling's kind of been, he's been knocking guys out and he's looking good doing it. He's been fighting Mark, to be honest. And so, it's good to see him with someone that's got some ambition.

It's there to win, and I think we'll learn a lot about Wardling. Tien forts on Wardly Gorman, or is it uninterested in that, as I think you might be? It's an intriguing fight. I mean, the only time I've seen Gorman fight was against DuBois, it's terrible.

But I guess it's a good fight for Wardly to see what he's made off because he has a full garbage so far. I think that's something, I think that's a decent solid undercard fight for a fight like what we're seeing with white and Franklin. I think that's a really decent addition to that card. And I will be interested in alternate.

Any other business gentlemen? Any other things that we've forgotten? No, I think we're really worth 51 minutes. That's a nice round number.

There were a few more things on the running order that Cows Written, but it's just duplicates of what he's already written before. Yeah, they are. They are. I'm sure they're all these paragraphs, the timing-wise.

And I get to the last two and it's the same things that he's typed up above. If anyone wants to play me one, it's being 9 minutes short, blame BC the Grand Slam. Yes, just blame me because I was expecting to do my usual hosting bit, but I gave our invitation to do the episode number. And he's just round with it and it's been a wonderful journey with him to do that to see him back in his chair, back where he feels he belongs and he's welcome to do it anytime he likes.

It's nice to mix things up a little bit. Everyone needs it in these dark days. Right, thank you for joining us. Who's your next pod?

Who's next one? What's the next plan? You got one booked? No, I did want to be Mr.

Dan on today's birthday. So I did want Tuesday. This is probably going to go out following Tuesday. So that'll be our week or two.

If you've not listened to that, go back and listen to Tuesdays with Mr. Dan on who's very, very good. And then we will be back with you next time. When's the next one we'll do?

We'll do a live one. The next one we'll go away. We will record one on the journey up or afterwards. The last one we did like that was Josh Taylor maybe?

Were we recording the hotel rematter? Yes, we did. We're recording the hotel room. We just watched a new A.

We just watched Josh Taylor. And we saw a fight outside as well. And watched some guy get that sick sparked out on the street outside. Say bye, bird.

Yeah, yeah. This girl running over and saying stop here. Yes, hello. Poor Stacy had to dive on the street.

Honestly, if you ever want to see, if anyone that has met or knows tea, is that seeing him genuinely excited about something is one of the joys of life. And there's not many things in this world that gets tea more excited than seeing an actual fight on a street, especially when there's women bouncing around the edges of said fight. It's absolutely funny. That is slander.

All right, on that note, we shall say goodbye. Thanks very much for your time, gentlemen. No worries. All right, take care.