Ep. 252 - Balls Up

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See website for details. Episode 252, I'll blow the bell. I said 252 last week. For those of you that are either weird or whatever the equivalent is for it is.

I said 252, it was 251. This week is 252. We had comments. John lives in the comments.

John's not here today. He's got what did he say? What did he find in the end with? I have a sinus infection.

Fucking drip. Do you want to talk about Chris Williams? How are you, sir? I'm good.

How are you doing? Yeah, very good. Robert Tyler 8-5-8-9. Stop breathing into the microphone.

Yeah, I'm sorry. Robert, I'm very sorry. And Matthew replied. He's been told before.

I have been told before. I'm a bit of a mouth breaver. It's a medical thing. Yeah, that's what it is.

But I will do my best not. Breathe into the mic. I was particularly bad day last week. I could hear it on the playback.

But I will do better. I will do better. Not being a fucking mouth breaver. And somebody said, I'm not even reading that that name.

But somebody said, as the host's inevitable reference to Floyd every damn episode. Well, fuck me, mate. I'm sorry. You might not want to listen this week because he's in the news.

His old TBE. So we are going to be talking about him at some point. But how are you, Chris? Yeah, very well.

Thanks, Gal. I think what you've been on the part. Do you listen? Do you listen pretty much every week, though?

So, yeah, yeah. You're on a good run. Poor old John, now, right? Yeah, bless him.

Bless him. We've been, me and him, have a bit of a kind of a geography war at the minute. And it's like, if someone's northern, they're technically Scottish, and he'll claim that northern is Scottish and anyone by late, there's a moment when Kings is a southern softie and all that. And here's him slumped in his sick bed.

But there we go. He's probably about minus five up where John lives, haven't he? Yeah, yeah. I've been up to Scotland a few times.

I've been up to Edinburgh seven or eight times. When it's cold, it's fucking cold. The wind is unbelievable. Yeah, it is a different type of cold up there.

It isn't. I think John lives right up in the Highlands. I think so. Yeah, I think so.

He lives like, yeah, proper, lives on an island somewhere. I think just his house is the only house. That's not making his house. I've just made that up.

Lighthouse, John. We've got called him. But yeah, it's been a while since we've had you on, John. So I thought, John, sorry, talking about John.

Chris, I thought we'd reintroduced you to kind of everybody, ask you some, ask you a quick boxing question, which I put them on in order. It's hopefully a bit of time to prep for it. But what was interesting last night was just before, I was like recording, I was eating dinner and watching the Super Bowl show. I am not into NFL at all.

Like, I think I've perhaps watched one NFL match game in my whole life. And I thought it was so fucking boring and just adverts after adverts. But I did watch the Bad Bunny Super Bowl Half-Life show. Did you watch it?

I haven't seen it. I saw it pop up on my YouTube feed and I fully intend to watch it. And obviously I've seen the Ferrari that Jake Paul is close with his comments about it. So yeah, I've been quite enjoying that today.

I've been working away. So yeah, how was the Half-Life show? It was pretty good. Yeah, it was pretty good.

I, you know, I'm not. I'm not really into his music. I'm not like it. I'm just not really knowledgeable on it.

There was one song he did, Chambal, which he used when he came out when he did a WWE match. And that was great. So I enjoyed that song very much. But that's about it.

So yeah, it was cool. It was cool. But you know, it's, I think you get to a certain age and you realize that pop music isn't for you. It's not aimed at you anymore.

Like it's aimed at the kids. It's aimed at young people. But you know, sometimes it's not, but what's good about people like Bad Bunny is the language barrier doesn't matter. It's about the vibe of the feeling and people get a good feeling of the song regardless of what language is sitting then great, right?

But yeah, the thing that was interesting about Jake Paul's comments about calling Bad Bunny a fake American citizen and all that sort of stuff. And was that he's probably his main fighter. He's known for having signed as a promotional as a promoter is Amanda Serrano. And as you just pointed out, we start recording.

Jake Paul lives in Puerto Rico, Chris. What is wrong with him? Is this the kind of the affects of the Anthony Joshua crumbling or what's going on? Because he doesn't normally shoot himself in a foot quite so blatantly as they're the first day call.

But yeah, this looks like a PR disaster from where I'm feeling like a constant grift with those two. They're always grifting. They're always up to something. So you'll probably see more of that than make it off the WWE fan.

So yeah, I didn't see the Logan kind of putting something in as well shortly afterwards. So I wasn't sure on you because of this for me. I wasn't sure whether it was kind of a pre-awing thing just to get more publicity or what. Yeah, it was kind of like Logan kind of won the or 10-2 and I think anyone was buying it, but it's intended to win the favor of your you kind of lefty liberals.

And Jake Paul was trying to win the favor of the weirdo MAGA Republicans and so they were covering kind of both both sides of it really. Who are your favorite fighters? Okay, so I think going back to what you said about music, I feel like with fighters, it's kind of similar thing. So, you know, I'm really interested in what boxing history got.

My favorite fighters, and I took this question as who do you most rewatch? Who do you most to now and we watch the fighter and history sunda, so me. Who do you most to now? Right.

Evander Hallyfield and Terrible Terri Nis, all from early, well, I suppose late 80s, others and then into the mid-90s. So I was really when I was really taking an interesting boxing, but those are my top three. They're the fighters I will just watch and watch as well. Do you find yourself kind of drawn to a certain kind of type of fighter?

If a modern day fighter reminds you of a Terri Nis, or an authority field or are you more drawn to that type of fighter? I'm drawn to a few different types of fighter. Yes, I am. I like my box of fighters.

I like and appreciate your kind of slickers and your vanell wetteters. Yeah, I'm really drawn to your kind of box fighters, you know, with a good shin, bit of personality, high tempo, with probably Chavez and Hallyfield, but Ferri Nis is probably what I think you call maybe a ting banger. I love he is really balanced, really good boxer as well. But Terri Nis is just so watchable.

Just so rewatchable. So yeah, what would you say yourself for your second and third? If we take the obvious one out, then, actually, this was my was my hero, I can't even say he was the fighter that I grew up watching just because he was the heavyweight champion and he was in Britain. And so therefore you saw him everywhere when I was growing up.

So when he lost to all of them, I called him in about 13. So yeah, he was the first five players I've returned to that one's goal. Was it? Oh, wow.

My step rather went to that as well. What round was it you lost in? Was it second round? Second round.

Second round. And you know what? If you weren't there, you probably didn't see it because it was on something very obvious to you are called YTV. It wasn't even sky.

It was like a after-time cable. It was called the Tally West that means about cable was trying to do stuff against your satellite dish. And that was a bit of what today would be T&C. But it was on platforms.

And so YTV started buying up quite a bit of boxing coverage. They had four men against Mora as well. But this was our first really, really big U-Pay-Fai. So yeah, it was a wacky arena.

It was my first experience of live boxing and what an event to go to. I'll never forget certain elements of it overnight. Remember seeing Lynne's Lewis come out of the arena, with his star glasses on, Ben is Lewis. Just they were looking, they looked absolutely devastated like the world had ended.

Don King running around with McCall, McCall just got out of the belt around his way later. Yeah, just for us, I'd seen a joke he was boxing, but it was just a fantastic experience. It was like middle of the night, I guess, for HBO. But yeah, you said by the one as well.

Yeah, he did. I think he said, I think like you, it was his first ever boxing match. He's fucking 49 this year. It'll be 15 next year.

So yeah, just to place him in terms of age. But yeah, that was the first fight he ever went to. And he was gutted. Because obviously, he got the Xlewis.

Obviously, he was the more famous fight back then. One of the most famous fighters back then, because like I said, he's the British and he's heavyweight champion. But yeah, it was him. Then Xlewis, I'd say, I love George Groves.

I love George Groves. I went to more Christian back junior fights than George Groves fights, but I loved George. I think because he came from where I work and I've spent the last, I've worked in around the Hammersmith area for the last since 2008. So I have an affection for the area.

And so yeah, he, he, yeah, him coming through and beating James DeCayo. I remember watching that behind the paper view right at the last minute and just watching that because where did you ever pay for a box office for a British title fight, Christian? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. But I did.

And then obviously, I was, I told the story a million times he'd be shooting off at Bramwell Lane in Sheffield and me and Alex and Bristol went up there and what we were inside for that. And yeah, we were leaping all over each other like Tottenham won the Champions League when he, when he stopped shooting off. Yeah, so it was just buzzing for him. Well, so happy for him.

I think when he retires, I think a new way will be one of my favourite fighters as well. It's just so fucking good. It's similar to, to, to TV where it's just, it's hard to find flaws with a new way. Like defensively, yeah, as he gets older, he's getting clipped a little bit more.

I think he's definitely on the, not, on the turn is a phrase I'd use for someone that was perhaps, you know, on the way down. But I think he is past his best. I think, I think Bantam is his ceiling as a weight, but he'll go to favour just because he's not good. But I think, yeah, yeah.

But I'll tell you with you, I think I put a new, I'll probably use it in that bracket as they will become, you know, being probably the top 10 favourite fighters of mine because we've had a lifter that I have here of clearly really good guys as well as, you know, legends. And I'll tell you what, I kind of think that the latter stages of the career can sometimes be the most interesting. So, anyway, for example, we've seen him, we've seen him absolutely run through like a vision after division. And it's only now he's kind of, you know, he's getting tested, he's been put down a couple of times.

It's kind of, you know, you've seen things he didn't have to show. And he's probably really, really shown that he has those things in me. So, yes, it's going to be really interesting in a few years. And I suppose it is, like...

In a new second retire, you know, on top and on the field. I'd love that. I know when it comes back to my weather a bit later. But I really love when when Boxes beat the system, you know, and go on top.

Go out, go out with all the money in your pocket. Floyd doesn't quite that, I don't think but he's done the rest of it. But yeah, it'd be interesting to see how a new A adapts as a fighter as he's left because he's feet is still exceptional, aren't they? Yeah, they are.

It's still really quick. The hands speed is still there. But we will see, we will see as he gets older, perhaps as he goes to Fevaway, what he's going to be like at that weight with maps is carrying a little bit more weight in the feet, aren't it? Or even the punches aren't hurting the other guys as much, they're not keeping them as honest.

I think they'll still keep Fevaway's honest. And there's four good champions at Fevaway. Well, you know, we get to see some unification at some point. But yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been interesting to see how he does.

I think what he retires, I'll be rewatching kind of anyway fights. You know, that's fresh. Ontario only. Please play responsibly.

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Exceptional Super at Super Bandsom as well, but that run at 1-18 through the Super Series tournament and with the Nidhir and the final one, particularly the rematch, I've watched that rematch like 10 times, especially with the version on YouTube with no comms. It's just it. I don't know. Yes, sorry.

Yeah. That's on YouTube with with with no with no comms. So you just see the Japanese crowd and that's yeah, I've watched that a few times. That's pretty good.

So yeah, yeah, it would be interesting to see how we talk about Favourweight. Yeah, Nick Ball for best part of the year now has been kind of throwing his cap in the ring as being the being the kind of the guy that that Nui should be facing and the crypto night for a new way. When when when the monster eventually goes up to 126 pounds, Nick Ball was being kind of waving his cap around and said that a lot to be saying I should be the guy. And then it all kind of fell apart the weekend John, Chris.

So you said it did. It did. Actually before before we get into this, I'm going to go into the video. Okay, go on.

So you've got to listen as I don't know, there's a very very strict curfew in operation. In the back of the monthly WhatsApp group. That curfew says and it barely needs repeating throughout the years of this group's been in operation. It's been an absolute cast iron rule.

It says no spoilers until midday on the Sunday. It's the same as the original below the bell group. Yeah, it's yeah. Exactly.

So I I spend all Saturday in Fulham, go to the few drinks, go to the Fulham against Everton. I'm an extra fan. Obviously we win. So he brings up the wins.

Get home absolutely chatted. I'm thinking God, it's a Warren show. I can't I can't do this. I can't do this.

I can't do this. I'll catch you up in a moment. I know what to eat from Cal. Let me read it.

Well, you'll find it in my defense. I just assume you've been watching it. I assume everyone would be watching it. That rule kind of applies to American like because it's well, it's kind of unsaid.

But yeah, usually that rule basically gives me my chance to be fair because it's not I get you. No, it's a fair one. Here we go. 2, 2, 2, 15 from Cal.

Chris, thank me and Chris. Adam Smith talking about Champions around the best start around eight. Hope that room can be written. 20, 20, 20.

And again, he said it again. Fair enough. That's very awesome. I was in the morning.

I didn't know the results. Yeah, I mean, I'm from the area. A little bit. A little bit.

A little bit of a question. Ball lost. I'm not particularly alive myself with British fighters or even scale fighters frankly. But God, I don't know if you ever remember Paul Hutchinson.

WBC, by the way, jump. I know I was Mexican American, but we have this kind of fairly unknown Mexican member to be challenged. I think it was in Northern Ireland, but yeah, to be Hutchinson. So yeah, it was like history, repeat itself a bit really.

But what did it fight? Yeah, and I knew it was close when they were going to inside and they were asking Paul Smith and what's that? They just named Meatball Mollie. Is that an end of the UFC?

Yeah, yeah. And asking them, are you scoring it? How you finding it? Scouts are very loyal to each other, especially the boxers.

And they're all like, I don't know what it's pretty close. It's pretty close. You know, and I think Paul Smith after 10 said, I've got it even. And I think he will fuck me and figure out I must be up by four rounds then.

But it actually genuinely was a pretty close fight. I thought figure out it was definitely winning going into the 12 round. But I had absolutely zero faith that he would get a decision. But he didn't wait around for the judges.

Did he go back there? He really did. And he was investing in body or all fight, wasn't it? Which he's known to do.

Obviously he's a brilliant body puncher. And yeah, he did my spout in the 12th video. It was pretty much right at the start, wasn't it? He clipped him.

And over he went face first. And it was a very different punch, but it really reminded me of when Kigamartina's knocked down. Yeah. Sorry, yeah.

He was like, it should have been stuff. It should have been stuff. You know, when people, when they go face first like that, you know, it's not going to end well. But you know, I was the British rest dude.

I gave him every chance in there. Yeah, it's a bit of a mess at the end really wasn't it? It doesn't really reflect well on my Liverpool brothers. No, the crowd as well, not just, not just them, balls corner, but also the crowd as well, kind of throwing drinks in the ring and throwing drinks.

That really irritates me. I mean, like Kigamart, we've seen some great fighters over here. And I'll clap them in when you get your glove pins and your newies, et cetera, et cetera. And I'll clap them out.

You know, that does really irritate me. Because I think he didn't deserve that. I think there was one of his team, probably one of their far, which you can bring right up on over the ropes and all this kind of stuff, which maybe wasn't the right behavior. But apart from that, you're allowed to celebrate.

Oh, God, if it was the other way around the place, the ring would have been full. If he'd have found a shot in a close fight like that, Nick Bould found a shot. They would have celebrated, I imagine equally, equally as enthusiastically. Andrew Kang got a lot of credit early in the night when he climbed off the canvas twice to get up and win a final eliminate after the WBC Bandomite.

And as many fans as he earned, I think he lost them after the fight when he aimed to kick it. Someone from figure I was team, it was just fucking ridiculous. Really classic. Yeah.

I was always talking a lot about bad winners, but being a bad loser is just as bad. And I think on that occasion, I think Bould's team as a whole really came across really badly. Yeah, it wasn't good at all, but it shouldn't take away from figure I was performance, I think. I was watching it and Bould looked like the punch ring.

He definitely got a bit of dig, and he does tend to take people down the stretch and then get them out of there. But what I thought was knowledgeable, what was interesting, Chris, was that that figure I wasn't really loading up. It didn't really load up at all. And like you said, he really invested to the body.

But what I noticed after about four, I remember looking at watching him round four, and I tweeted it from the blow the belt account, which was to say, Nick Paul is blubbing. After four rounds, he was breathing with his mouth open. He was blubbing after four rounds. And even though those shots from figure I was in the body didn't look hard, he doesn't like him.

They were having an effect, weren't they? They were, and figure out what is really battle tested, isn't it? I mean, I'm not saying that Paul hasn't had good quality opposition, because you know, he has, you know, Ray Vargass is a really good operator, it'll probably be passed with Bould. But figure out what is really battle tested, really tough, just being owned on it.

And yeah, he took into places that Nick Paul hadn't been in there. Yeah, he couldn't swim in those what, he put him in in the five rounds. So that's what it's all about, isn't it? Yeah, absolutely.

You know, you look at, you look at figure I was record. It's a lot of people that you go, oh, yeah, I've heard of him, I've heard of him. It's like Lewis Neary, Steph Hall and twice, Jesse Magdaleno, like, like people that, that's the thing with PBC, is that they might not all be elite fighters, but they're matched. They will, because PBC loves to keep things in house, people are sitting at a level while fighting each other regularly.

The same as those, those welters that Dali Garcia and Keith Furman and Paul, none of them were elite, none of them were like exceptional. They were never on that Pacquiao level, you know, but they were all Terrence Crawford, but they were good. Like, and they all fought each other. And that's the thing with the PBC guys is because they don't like going outside and fighting top ranked guys or match them or whatever, they end up fighting each other and they end up being matched well and battle tested.

And yeah, I think a lot of people for, you know, after a couple of losses and, you know, you lost Steph Hall a couple of fights ago and he's, you know, he's 29 people thinking out when he's on the turn now figure-o-er. It was always a tough fight for Paul, even at home. And yeah, he never really looked in any real trouble figure-o. He never looked like the atmosphere overwhelmed him.

He looked completely calm and completely on it. And his corner as well, actually, his corner was great. And going to that last round, they were like three minutes, like, get on him and he jumped right on him in that 12 round. I watched it again.

I watched it again earlier. And I think it was the time was sort of 30 on second things, though, in for the 12 rounds. And that obviously included a count, and then I guess, partly a second count as well. So he really fell straight over, didn't he?

And made him up, basically. Yeah, it was fantastic. If you weren't paying attention, you'd have missed it. Like, he just, he just, he jumped on him, left hook down, he went.

And like you said, when someone's down, face down like that, it took him a second to get to his knees ball and Adam Smith said it on commentary. I mean, I know you feel that Adam Smith. So you guys got to give him every chance. Well, that's true.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm more, but yeah, yeah, because I think it was, with Paul, he was kind of teeing up a left-of-your-top, so he's going right onto the shot. So it was like one of those double impact shots.

And yeah, he's almost spun right around and onto his face. And like credit, credit, credit to Paul's getting off actually to be fair. Yeah. Yeah.

And I don't know what fair play, fair play to great for the stoppage as well. It was like, he didn't even wait. He could have done the full count. He's like, no, you're fucking done, mate.

I won the second one. The second one. Yeah. The second one.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Because he might actually might try to get him to, you know, six, seven, eight, you know, he didn't. I think he got a four five and that was it really. He waved it off after that. But yeah, I thought, I thought a really good performance from Figaroa.

The cards were interesting. Figaroa was up on two of the three cards, but surprisingly, not surprisingly. So it was 103 Marcus Mcdonald, Glenn Feldman, who's in a very experienced official 10623 to Figaroa, saying Marcus Mcdonald 10623. And then Jean-Rabélaine had it 107, 102 to Nick Ball going into the last round, which I...

That's one, two. Yeah. One right. That's three rounds to Figaroa and eight to Ball.

That's I don't know if you've been to Liverpool. Kyle? No, I haven't. All right.

Nice to go. We should do a fine attack. But most of the fights, most of the fights go to the Hilton Hotel now. So it sounds like that.

It's right. It's just right opposite the, what you should be getting at. It's called the Antares. But yeah, it's really, really close.

So that most of the fight crowd is situated on out quite nicely. And yeah, it sounds like there was some serious hospitality. It's like, you know, where he's from? Yeah.

He's from the, yeah. He's from the bit. It might just be the way I pronounced it. He is from Monte Carlo.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Well, in that case, he probably, he's probably used to, you know, the high life and, you know, anyway, let's probably not go there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's a cool card. Let's just leave it at that. Yeah. Yeah.

It was. At least it wouldn't have been an absolute thing. There ever did go to a decision. It would have been a split decision.

Figaro is, and yeah, Figaro should have won the fight to the knock out. Yeah. I was going to ask you that. Did you thought that Figaro was going to go in set final round?

I did. I didn't, I didn't sort it round by round, but Figaro by probably about three rounds, I reckon, is it about right? Yeah. No, I think that's it.

I think he was just out working. He was, it was one of them, score of your eyes, not with your ears, type fights, where, where Figaro was doing most of the work. He was landing most of the shots, but ball would land a little up up there or a shot here, and the crowd would make a noise. The design comms would go, oh, like they did.

Oh, God. Yeah. They've got, um, less might discipline than I do with my heavy breathing. But, if I fucking love breathing, but, um, yeah, you can easily get caught up in it, but yeah, I thought, I figured where we're going into that was, yes, seven, four, something like that, going into that last round.

I thought he was winning the fight, definitely. Oh, okay. But he was just getting out worked every round and being worn down. And like I said, he looked tired.

He looked tired after, after a half way, he was, he wasn't, no, just wasn't falling around the ring, but the body language was there. And the, the mouth breathing, like me from round four was pretty obvious as well. And actually, to be fair, I think Carl Frampton picked on it, picked up on the mouth breathing in about round seven. And he said, you know, he's breathing with his mouth open.

He's looking tired already. Um, but yeah, there's some, there's some good fighters in the division. Now, isn't there? There's obviously, as I was about, um, Bruce Tarrington won the WBC belt.

We did. And I really, I really have sat in face as well. I mean, because he looked vulnerable as well until he until that stoppage, um, I was in New York, wasn't it? So, you know, he should be on the verge of being some kind of star actually as well.

So he was coming to the top bracket. Yeah, definitely from New York. He was, he was there the next game the other night. Yeah.

Yeah. There's an opportunity for his top bracket. Do you know, I don't know. I'm just trying to think that because, I mean, it's hard to tell.

He's who's the top round at the moment, isn't it? Because they don't have a TV deal, but that was, that New York show that he was on without, that was a really show, wasn't it? Yeah. I think.

Yeah. He was a really, he was a top rank fighter. He was a top rank fighter. Okay.

Okay. Um, but yeah, he's excited. He's, he's a potentially star. I think he's, he's pretty, he's still very, very young, isn't he?

So, yeah, he could be, he could be a feature star. I'll be at, yeah. I mean, he looked pretty vulnerable to me as well actually, first. So, um, but he'll be in a train fight.

Like you say, the fans will be out, who's, um, again, had some really incredible knockouts and highlight reel, knockouts. Um, you know, Espa Noza, um, for the juniors they're there about, obviously, figure out why only for all can come back. You know, it's, it's kind of, it's a shame that we're backing super series and stuff around because that division would be like a perfect division to do another round robin and, you know, crowning on the speed of chum, really, all of it. Yeah.

Yeah. And I think, yeah, what we, what we kind of want to see now really is some unification, really. Um, you know, we've got four champions that are all good. They've all got different in their own ways.

Um, you know, let's, let's start doing some unification, um, because when, when, when a new way does come up and the big money, really big money fights start landing there, you don't want it to be an S division boxing for the boxing ecosystem. We don't want it to for a new way to go up and go, what, you haven't sorted yourselves out yet. Yeah. Do you know what I mean?

Like he's kind of done that. I mean, he's kind of, he's been through the divisions and he's had to buy four champions and you know, some of those, some of those, but I would say, as you said, a bunch of them, some of them are brilliant. Oh, there's like, oh, but there you think that's got to waste of the camp and that's a waste of them. That's a waste of the superstars fight, isn't it?

Um, so you're right. I think it'd be fantastic if they could, they could clean the division up among themselves, I'll fight each other, have some brilliant fights, establish you with champions and establish you in the way, uh, challenges when he, when he goes up, I think that's a great shout out to him. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I think that's right. Really. I think, you know, he doesn't have years and years anyway.

I think he's probably got a couple of years left, um, at the top level at the very least. Um, but you know, so I think if he's going to go up, he doesn't want to go up to four people that just aren't known very well and kind of like, well, me, me first, it's like, no fucking sort yourselves out, sort it out amongst yourselves while he finishes up at super bad, and you know, figure out a fight, character, or let's be known as a fight, character, whatever, sort yourselves out, even if we just have two champions, so then when a new way does go up, it's like, we get a couple of top fights out of him at February, you know, where he fights one guy, gets two belts, fights another guy, and it's, it's for undisputed or, you know, let's get something out of this really, instead it'll be a bit of a mess down there. It's this, this sort of things out, really. But yeah, it's a good division.

Um, what do you think that ball does next? No, I don't know. I've done a little look at the, uh, I don't know if you've got the new boxing news monthly. Um, I feel like I don't know.

I don't know. It's good. I really raise it. I think it's a good, it's a good format.

Actually, I've got it, uh, boxing news that comes with end of the weekly, but it's good. I've got the rankings in front of me here, actually. Um, and from Nick Ball, um, I've got a couple of, I've got a couple of, maybe two curve balls for you. All right.

And they're both local, both local. He could fight Peter McGraely, who's, who's rated number two in the British rankings as Superbantam. Little domestic, uh, little, little cool just up there possibly. Or he could go up and fight a jazzedicking for the BB-8 title, a weight up.

Because he's a full world champion, doesn't he? Jazzedicking. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't. And then Ray forwards up there as well.

You know, that rematch. I think that rematch would be good to see Nick Ball versus Ray Ford. If, if Ford was to win a belt, he's ranked quite high by the, by the WBA. Jazzedicking is a good one.

That is a good one. You'd fill up a good arena in Liverpool, or you could potentially do it in Saudi Arabia, rather. It was Liverpool, really. Um, yeah, I think that's a great shout.

Obviously, if he was to stay at Fevaway, you got Liam Davis, it's quite highly ranked. The value college is quite highly ranked as well. Lewis, Lewis Neary's there at Fevaway as well. Highly ranked number six with the WBA, number four with the WBC.

Like, and that's a fun fight, isn't it? Or all of that. Yeah. Always like to see the least near the get-get-passed as well, to be fair enough.

He's going to go cheating out, but yeah, that would be a fun fight. That would be a good fight. I think, yeah. If I was to pick, if he was to stay at Fevaway, I'd want to see that Lewis Neary because he's dangerous, but he's vulnerable enough.

When, I wouldn't even say vulnerable, he's kind of rugged enough and open enough where Ball could still get him out of there at Fevaway. I think, yeah. Super fair, I'm not sure the power carries really. And he's always the shorter guy, but it's going to be that, that height difference is going to be even more of an issue at Super Fevaway.

I think, yeah. He writes, the four pounds in a lot for your eyes at Calpot, for these fellows, and for for Nick Bull, that's a fair amount, isn't it? Yeah. But, just a dickens for Super Fevaway, WBA, I imagine they'd rank him high.

If he was to go up to Super Fevaway, probably put him in probably straight in there around the top five, just paddies, number five. So I think they'd put him in and around that because he's a- Probably a must have played, and it would look like it really wasn't. I think I'd do well on the stream service that we've shown our name. I think it'd do with the numbers.

Yeah. Yeah. And it would. And you'd fill up a good, you'd fill up, you know, fill up an arena.

Bridgeboxing needs big cards, man. Like it does. It needs big cards. It needs big fights, domestic fights.

We need that. Like the ecosystem of British boxing needs big cards with good undercards as well with British titles on the undercard. I think that's so important to have those, whether it's final eliminators or British title, whatever, on the undercards of fights like that, ajazadickens, kind of Nick Bull. And do you want to see Nick Bull go back in with a put in, like with someone that's going to fall over?

Not really. He's been a good level now for a few years, hasn't he? There's not much value these days. I don't know how you feel.

I feel like, you know, back in the day, they're tuned off absolutely set the purpose. Get some confidence off your go. These days, you know, when fights are fighting probably twice a year and they're contracted to TV companies and promoters probably on a minimum, there's very little uptake for a tune off by these days. So I think, you know, yeah, it was about knock out, but it was a good performance.

So, you know, rest up and get back in. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And I think as well, with, you know, it's Turkey, it's kind of coming along and throwing mental money at it.

And we've had all these crazy supercars, which have kind of, which have slowed down now, massively, because you just can't, you can't carry on with just doing mentally really good cards, you know, when you've got Callum, Smith, Joshua Boazzi opening a show at 5pm British time. Right. Like 18 months of just like mental, mental cards coming from Saudi, which is slowed down a touch now. Yeah, there's people aren't going to pay for the nose, you know, for ticket prices, especially now live events, now crazy, the amount of money it costs to go to a live event.

You're not paying as a punt 150 quid for a half decent ticket to watch him knock over a pudding, no matter how much of the vote's out. So you are, you're just, you're just not. So yeah, I'd like to see it back in Jazzadikins, if Jazzadikins, I don't know if you might have an inventory, but if you can get through that, I'll get a step aside going on and Nick Bawlkin step in. I think that's perfect.

I think that's perfect if he moves up. But if he stays at Fevar, Lewis Nieri, that's a bit of me, I'd be well up for that. I think that would be great. What else is on the line?

I did this kind of last minute, but you should know all about it. Back on Mater Zalyev, and peeled his last two Josh Kelly, and I don't know if you saw that, and he's cited Steve Grey's 10-10 sport in the final round as his reason for doing so. Basically, he's actually a little bit on the last round and therefore kept my belt on a majority draw. What do you think about that whole thing?

That's first week. I mean, yes, our officials are rubbish and a 10-10 for Steve Grey's pretty appalling. But yeah, that feels like a bit of pretty weak appeal to make up. When you're appealing one judge's scorecard in one round, that's only where I personally would I like to see the fight again?

Maybe. It wasn't quite as thrilling as probably you and I thought it might be, but Kelly did the right thing. I think I'd be on the fight by staying away, particularly after we scored that knockdown. So I'd quite like to see him move on.

There's some other good fights for him in the division. I'd like to see him in with somebody else. And let's face it, Josh Kelly and other booths are going to be looking for the most money they could possibly get for that first offense, aren't they? Well, the rumor was that he'd already signed a deal to fight Boots Ennis.

But I've not seen anything really announced and in with interviews, like I've seen with Josh Kelly, he's talking about Coniben. Yeah. He's talking about it. I saw that and Hern had been very vocal about the fact that Kelly had already signed to fight Ennis.

And then seems the backtrack somewhat. I'm not sure what the motivation for that backtrack is whether there's something at the boot tent or whether there's some other options that he's looking to put forward for Kelly, probably like Coniben or be it. I mean, can you see Coniben for Layman? I can see him just because I'm not convinced he can do middle, sorry, wellter.

After the fight, he hasn't fought, he hasn't made wellter since 2022. So we're in February 2026 now. So to say, I'm going to go back to wellter. Yeah, you know what, he's a small mid, although against you, Vanky was pretty close to the middleweight limit, wasn't he?

So to drop a stone and you know, to drop a stone and wait or close to a stone and wait and be at, you know, going for, he's talking about a very lost got to see her or whatever, or neither of them are great to be fair, but neither of us. But I think I could see him at like me the way just because his body has got used to being around that weight for the last three of it is. Yeah, okay. Okay.

I mean, I feel like they've built this whole WBC challenge thing quite a bit and it seems to me that Coniben is pretty much wedded to that, but it's odd man having obviously the WBC some secret middleweight back then. So he seems to really want that WBC title. Yeah. And you know, say what you want to about, I think it's Garcia, but you know, it'll give it a fight, it'll do good numbers and is it right there?

So then he's somehow the manager for that belt, isn't he? Yes, he has not boxed out. Well done for freedom of it years yet, the WBC see fits you name him as their mandatory for that belt. Okay, so he's got the fight and he wants it.

Having said that, I don't know when the last time I was wearing one at a first bid what was so probably not going to be on a home promotion, is it? No. But yeah, no, okay. I can see that.

I can see just getting into kind of it. It'll be a huge fight in the new day. Yeah, I think Ben's going to struggle on these shores to sell out. He's not going to sell out a football stadium with anybody up in the Christian Bank junior, I imagine.

It wouldn't happen now. New Bank Junior is completely done. Although he's talking about coming back at 168. But yeah, if he's going to be a fight like that, he's going to have to be, if not the B side, he's going to have to perhaps maybe not to be the guy selling the tickets.

I'm not, I don't think that Josh Kelly can feel up the stadium like either. But yeah, perhaps the two of them to see if I could do, if not sell it out, could do a good number in that in that stadium. But I still think Barry was going to beat Ryan Garcia. Chris, I'm not right.

He's, no, it's the car seal that stunk out times Square. I totally agree with you. It's nothing up well, this is the other thing. He's known for his power at lightweight.

You know, that's the thing. He's not saying the room for by yourself. I will. And I just, I low key think he's a great champion.

He finds a way. He finds, he's not very good. Do you really mean great, Cal? Well, you know what, some people call many Pacquiao great and he lost one Australian.

So, I think Barry also is a great champion. He, no matter what, he walks out with that belt. He leaves the ring with the belt. I'll be in for him.

Yeah. Me too. Me too. But yeah, I do.

I just think, but yeah, like I said, I just think Garcia is known for Barry. Isn't that good at all? And he was outboxed. That's the outboxed in spells against a 46, seven year old mani Pacquiao a couple of months ago.

So, you know, it's, he's not great. But I just think Garcia, he was terrible. He was terrible against Wally Romero. And yeah, he's not really done anything at, at Welter or, or really a junior Welter to kind of justify he's another one.

Another wbc, you know, kind of an easy shot, an easy title shot that he's been, been given by them. But we shall see, we shall see. You were excited to talk about, and it's not me, everybody, please start saying, Cal wants to talk about TBE. It's not me, but you want, you're excited to talk about Floyd Nover.

So I haven't read, I think you've read the lawsuit, haven't you? You've read bits of it. So the headline is, Floyd Nover, he's suing Showtime as Dean Espinosa for around $340 million. He has a new management team, and he's a legend kind of financial impropriety by Al Heyman, his former advisor.

But he's named a lawsuit, he's not suing him. He's not suing Al Heyman. He's suing Showtime. And Espinosa basically facilitated this.

They facilitated Al Heyman ripping off. How about you? Where are we? No, you've got the headlines right there.

You've got the headlines right. However, I would say, it doesn't mean that there isn't going to be a separate suit against Heyman. Right. Because as you say, the key thing is the key person that's accused of this fraud is Al Heyman, for sure.

But there's a couple of strands that are coming out that kind of explain why he's not the key defendant or if he's not a defendant at all here. One is, it's alleged in this lawsuit, and you have had a full thing, 25 pages of this, whether you'd have to listen to this. It's kind of mentioned that Heyman suffered a stroke in sometime in 2023. Oh, wow.

He may be in some way incapacitated, so that obviously has implications for PBC. But all the rest of it, so keep an eye on how that operates. Because I'm not too sure who the number two is there. I'm not sure whether he's got a strong number two because he kind of operates on these different promoters that need Tim Brown a lot of reasons not to stop through both.

So keep an eye on that, I guess. I'm assuming that's factual. Because I don't understand that they've kind of gone after Heyman. Yeah.

And discovered various things. So they allege. But because he's been as a they got in place, they haven't been able to stand a fully drafted him. So to that, I've also seen Dan Raphael, who is very, very well informed on all this stuff and spent a lot of time in Vegas, suggest that there's been some kind of settlement with Heyman.

Okay. And that's why he's not named as a defendant in this suit. But yeah, as you say, the key defendants here are show time sports, and which is now went by Paramount and Steve Resson over the former president of show time sports. And what they're alleging is that Heyman is a fraudster.

And this show, just what was actually even Heyman have should have known that this fraud was going on, basically. I mean, what what comes out of this suit is that sometime in 2005, and you probably know about it. Anyone where I was up to in his career there, there was a there was a verbal agreement with Heyman for 10% of his grown earnings. And then there was never anything out there.

It was never anything signed. But that relationship continues for the next 20 years of faculty. Right. So the whole thing appears to be that money from the purses, obviously, including Pacquiao, and it's mentioned in this suit that for the Pacquiao fight, may well, should have earned 240 million pounds, 240 million for 15 Wow, and megaraguite.

But that was sent to accounts centrally controlled by Heyman, right. And that whatever went to what subscribers may well is kind of principal organization, if you like, which is may well, promotions, when you like those company was kind of after various adoptions. And one of the one of the really mental deductions in this, I mean, I don't know if you've read about how Don King tweeted his fires in the past, some mental stories around that around God, my face of his own goals, painful or kind of things, I've expenses. But in this, the other mayweather, Pacquiao, Rose Peart comes one of his later fights, which is I think it was his last official five or three before my weather book.