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Ep. 254 - Has Usyk Turned Heel?

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A pretty quiet period in boxing with no much to cover. But we cover this weekends big domestic card in Belfast. Conor Benn's 'super fight' with Regis Prograis And has Usyk turned heel? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A pretty quiet period in boxing with no much to cover. But we cover this weekends big domestic card in Belfast. Conor Benn's 'super fight' with Regis Prograis And has Usyk turned heel? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We were just talking about this before we started recording, I was saying to John, we've got a couple of things, I'm going to stink in mood because as slow as a fucking shit and until yesterday morning I thought we were definitely going to get relegated. And now I'm like, but I believe again. But also there's been no fucking boxing on. But anyway, John, how are you?

I'm very well, thank you. How are you? Yeah, better now, definitely. I'm in less stinking mood than I have been for the last couple of weeks.

We shouldn't let fucking overpaid dickhead footballers affect our mood as much as it does. But yeah, definitely as much as it does. But here we are, once you sign up to it, that's it, you're locked into it then aren't you? But there wasn't boxing on the weekend, wasn't there John?

There was but but. This is the stage of the podcast where you usually throw a random question up. Yes. Before we get into the proper boxing and what's happened lately, you throw something completely out of my field at me.

But it's my turn. I've got a random question for you. Ah, yeah, I've got a better versus greater versus greater. And I think it is an absolute cracker.

I'm scared. All right. Just dealer versus Amir Khan. The really isn't a lot in the resumes.

So Khan's best wins are Katellnik, Melanagi, Madana, Judah, and they ended up being generous. David and Alexander, well, are we all well, Alexander? If nothing, are we, I'm not including Berera because Berera was 100 years old versus Jack Cattle and if I had that many people thought he was. Yeah.

Ozzy Ramirez, Prueger, Badenchick, Post-Ole and Miguel Vasquez. It's, do you know what? It's not difficult. I don't think it's difficult.

Really? Yeah. I think Josh Taylor. Better and greater.

Better and greater. It might be a bit of recency bias. And it might be that Amir Khan's became in the later years of his career a bit of a caricature, a bit of a joke. He was always agreeing a fight with Rani Pacquiao.

There was always a really to agree terms for a fight with Floyd, maybe, ever. Like he just became a bit of a, yeah, like I said, a bit of a caricature. And so that could be affecting the recency bias. But I'm not a massive fan of Josh Taylor, but that's more as like a person.

And then I think he had, I think he's run one foot. He was exceptional. He was matched really well, really tough. And he went undisputed and he beat good fighters along the way.

No, another more amazing, but they were the best people in the world at the time. And he beat them and he became undisputed. And that lends itself to greatness, doesn't it? That kind of ticks off the greatness part.

Well, some people were kind of, well, Amir Khan was a bigger star. Much bigger star. I mean, much more money. And you could argue you had more fights that you would re-watch, right?

And then, yeah, so I kind of put Taylor ticks the box with greater and then better. Yeah, I do just think he was a bit of a boxer. You didn't see Josh Taylor getting just iced out all the time. So for me, John, and I know you probably look, I don't feel kind of bad.

But for me, it's actually quite easy. I think it's both. I think it's Josh Taylor for both. What do you think?

I think it's closer on greater because while Josh Taylor did clean out 140, in some ways Khan's run was greater. Like history will remember Zabjuna and Marcos Medina more than they will. And then, Jose Ramirez, we just broke Ray even bad and check. Would you confidently pick Ramirez, broke Ray or bad and check to beat the versions of Madonna or Judah that can be?

Yeah, probably not. But just, yeah, you look at those guys in the pedigree and the size. I think that's the other thing is, is well, you look at progray, who's fighting. I didn't think it's kind of a bend, isn't he?

I imagine we'll get on to that at some point. I didn't put it in the running order. But they were, they're actually all a lot smaller than guys like Judah and Madonna and even Khan. So it's a fair point, actually.

So in that regard, I think that Khan might be slightly greater, but I do believe that Taylor would have isolated the reform. Yeah. Yeah. But better to Taylor Khan to greater just, but for me, it is very, very close.

There isn't much between those two resumes. No, no, it's a good shout. It's a good shout actually. Because Taylor, I think Taylor suffered as well from obviously COVID, wasn't it?

He, his undisputed title fight was in the early hours of the morning. I think it was on Sky Sports, but it was in lockdown, was it in the Vegas bubble? And when the top ranked were doing those Vegas shows in their kind of bubble. And he suffered for that, this crowning moment of his career that not many British fighters have done to go undisputed and hardly getting on storage on.

I think, do you think he suffers from that, from just a lack of eyes on his fights? Yeah. I think that there was certainly an element on that. The inactivity, they never got to build a real run of momentum in Scotland, also prevented him from being a bigger star here.

He had his current moment over in the States. Then there was a long delay before, there was almost a year before the first Capitol fight. Then there was that poor performance against Tia Fimo Lopez, ultimately level counter punchers where Josh Taylor is undoing. His defeats came against guys who were really good counter punchers.

It was the exception of Acoisum, but by that point, there was the eye injuries and everything else. He was a fated force. He burned, but I put it up a minute. Yeah, he did.

He did. And you know, what, he probably would have liked to have made a few more quid than what he did for a guy to box at his level for as long as he did. I get the feeling because he was boxing guys like Acoisum, he tells me that not that he needed the money, but he was trying to get as much as he possibly could out of it financially again because he's fighting in the Vegas bubble. And then I think he had that mandatory against the Tigers, sort of nobody on BT Sport as well.

Yeah, I just imagine he probably didn't make as much money as he really, really liked. That's actually what that makes me think. And then you think about him and you think about crowd favourites. And it makes me to another fight that I actually don't like very much.

It's Josh Warrington. Is there a comparison with him and Josh Taylor in terms of greater and better? I personally don't think so. I don't feel that Josh Warrington ever really beat anyone at the level that Josh Taylor did.

Like Warrington's based wins. Kiko Martinez, Gala had a fight that many people thought he lost. Definitely lost. Yeah.

He was a lot of his best weight and at the end of his career, please tell me right at the deck that we'll be able to make the featherweight limit. You can put asterisks beside every single one of Josh Warrington's biggest wins. You can't do that with all of Taylor's. I know that some people felt the pro-grate fight went the other way.

Yeah. A lot of people felt the first cat at all fights was a horrific decision. But as I say, with every single one of Warrington's best wins, there's context that doesn't shine in the best light. In a lot of ways, I feel that Josh Warrington was perhaps overrated.

I'd agree. I think he was a dirty fighter. I think he was a dirty fighter that led with his head. The least healthy fight really bothered me.

He just head-bited him in the first three rounds. He said he'd be in a horrible car and that was the fight. It was just a weight-grained guy that's, you know, you're going to go, because they're going to get a cut easy anyway. He's just so dry.

But he was tight the way and then he's gone in with his head and that was the fight over. It was just, he ended up just out working him in the end. Yeah, I agree with you. I think Josh Warrington was really overrated and I think he benefited from boxing and having domestic rivals, whereas Josh Taylor didn't really.

There wasn't really anyone in and around the way from the spot with other than Jack Catarall. And by then I think he outgrown the weight. But for some reason stuck around in box T.O. For me, that was crazy.

I was crazy to stay. I think he should have gone up to Walter sooner, Taylor. Before the T.O. Lopez fight, he should have taken that fight and he should have gone to Walter.

By the time he went to Walter, it was too late. I think he was finished by then. Yeah, I think that's a fair point. I do think that's a fair point.

But yeah, he mentioned Regis Pro Grey. All the fuss about Connor Ben signing with Superboxing for alleged one apparent 15 million one fight deal. And he's fighting on an undercard of an empty in an empty ton of Oxford Stadium, which is not unusual this time of year. You've been to the film?

I fucking been since before. I've been this year. Yeah, in an empty ton of Oxford. It was really interesting, John, because there was a ring magazine put out on the last month, people would have heard there was a ring magazine put out this kind of long formed tweet where they said, or slash article where they said that basically, do bar against Wardley was struggling to sell, even though tickets went on sale.

Yeah. And then their show, Fury against MacMoodov, is not selling very well at all, John. That's quite, it's quite, it's quite, it's delicious, isn't it? It is.

But anything that comes from the official ring magazine Twitter account at the minute, isn't journalism, it's not reporting. It's propaganda. Yeah. Remember doing the second Gulf War that Saddam Hussein had his, uh, detective of communications a guy that was doing media called Michael Allen?

Yes, I remember him. Yeah. He would come out and just say, no, we're winning. Everything is wonderful.

Like that's what the ring magazine Twitter account is these days. That's key five deck. Because he's gone there, isn't he? Ring magazine now.

Um, I need to follow him. Um, I only noticed that today. That's all those guys, that's all those guys that write for a magazine, all those guys that, you know, used to be proper journalists. And now they just write what Turkey tells them.

But what was key that you had proper journalists? Do you know what? I don't know. I don't remember.

No, I can't say that I'd pick up a ring magazine. He was a news guy, isn't he? He breaks news. That doesn't make you, I wouldn't read something long form from him.

But he won't be a breaking news. He wrote the worst fight reports I had ever read over the boxing scene. Yeah. Yeah.

He's a breaking news guy. He's not a writer. His fight report started in round 12. And you get to ring one of the very bottom of each.

So I'm just calling him I get Keith. I think he's the last of the first. Nice. Nice.

Um, yeah, that's a fair point. That is a fair point. But what do you think about the fight, Ben and, um, pro grey? Oh, it's awful.

It's awful. Like, pro grey hasn't looked good since Taylor. I think Taylor and pro grey took years off one another in that final of the world boxing super series. Neither man has ever looked quite as good, but it's been arguably more dramatic in pro grey, recently going like that with former feathery doodle dias.

It's not good work. Will coner be. Or up. Thank you.

No, no, no. Come on. This is not happening. Turn off the shadow.

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Who knows? Is that what it is? It's a 150 as he works his way back down to 140. Yeah, I think that might be tough for him.

Yeah, I can see it's a good match up for him. Ben, but yeah, pro grey looks finished. He's looked finished for some time. Yeah, you look at his records, it's Taylor.

There's no one there. He goes, no, that's a good win. Do you know what I mean? It's a hoe-tose bait.

It's probably the best one. But even then, that's probably his best win since it's Tyren McKenna. It's only two Zorilla. Lost to Devin Haney.

Lost to Jack Catterall. I'll go and be lost to JoJo. He has got a gift decision, a knight, a knight, two on one of the cards. No chance, I'll even stay there for more shot one.

Yeah, just no. Yeah, it's a soft touch for Ben. But I don't think... We spoke about this last time, but if you change your mind on this Ben situation, do you think it's one and done and he goes back to Eddie or do you think he's going to go with the money, isn't he?

Yeah, Zoufar willing to pay him $15 million to fight the regis pro-gaze of this world. Yeah. Why would he go anywhere else? Oh, yeah.

It's an old brainer, really. He'll go with the money, is they're willing to match him softly while paying him a fortune. Well, that's why he did it, but Zoufar paying more, so... Yeah, yeah, that's it.

Eddie can't complain too much, he's... If at all, really, because if Connor Ben has got a sense of entitlement, if it hasn't come from his dad, it's come from Eddie Hearn, he's given him everything he's wanted and he's not really had to do anything to earn it. He's number one with the WBC, well-taught, despite having not boxed every year's and he's about to have another fight, which is a line made away, not a well-taught. Yeah, Eddie Hearn's just as responsible for this kind of attitude and just as, like I said, his sense of entitlement, he's about to put box up a blown-up junior well-taught at 150.

I don't know what he might even make him look silly for a couple of rounds, but I think, yeah, I think Ben, I think Ben will probably walk for him to be honest and stop him, but just because, like I said, Progaze, it was completely finished. Punched resistance has gone, which is what he... But to be honest, the race to Hachard should be entertaining. Who's on it?

TKV versus Richard Reack, for the race title. Love that. Troy Williamson, who lost out on his World Title Eliminator for Squall. Supposedly, we match the column since in his fighting assignment.

Is that in reverse? What's that? You're being title, man? No, I don't think there's anything that's in there.

Then, please, your clerk is fighting your favorite male Ford star. Justice Honey, come on, boy. Someone's remembered that Felix Cash exists. Yeah.

He's fighting William Ware. Okay. Elliott Wail, Tom Hill, it's actually not a bad week hard. The top two fights on the bill aren't the most exciting, but there is some cards, decent.

Do you think Felix Cash have an alcohol issue? Have I made that up? I don't think anything has ever been confirmed. Right.

But he's been out of the ring since his lost to Tyler Denny in June of 2020. I thought, if I got it wrong, then I apologise. But I thought I read something that basically you don't have an alcohol issue. I thought you'd be shadow banned basically, is that you try out a test and it'll quietly whisper away.

But there was nothing of evidence of that that. I came out. I was just from a weird theory I made up in my head. But TKV Richard Reackport, I like that.

You would make Reackport favorite for that. TKV is tough and he's well in his 11 fights to be British title and to defend it in a stadium fight is pretty impressive. He probably wishes he's box in another stadium. But if I don't have to go there again, I won't mind.

And then Fury, if you remap move off. Talking to Tyson Fury, we will talk about, we will talk about Jasmine Kinsen, catch it at some point. Olic Tandu's beat in twice. Okay, my question to you is, has Olic Tandu's beat turned heel?

I don't think it's a full heel turn because if you look at Twitter, there's a lot of people still willing to forgive Olic Tandu's sick for fighting some random kickboxer. I think he has got so much goodwill in the bank that people aren't willing to turn round and go, he's not in the saiyan, he's a very naughty boy. People still want to believe Olic Tandu's sick. But his three-flight plan isn't the most exciting in the world, is it?

No, it's not great. It's this kickbox Riko the Hovin who's kickboxer record is 66 and 10. I'm sorry, he can't be fighting a guy that's lost 10 times. Like what the fuck?

He's one of those are boxers, 66 and 10 as a kickboxer. I think he's a well-class kickboxer, but he's a kickboxer, he's not a boxer. But that's for the WBC title by extension of the lineal title, which we'll be happy to know Jon. And then he's talking about after that fighting the winner of the Wobuar, sorry, Wardly Dubeuar for the WBO belt.

I imagine at that point he's probably going to get stripped of the WBC belt. He's already been stripped of the WBO. I suspect the IBF right behind, they're never shy and stripped of somebody if they're belt. And then he's saying after the winner of Dubeuar Wardly, he wants to fight Tyson Fury again before retiring.

That's not the best run, but I don't know about you, but I don't think Tyson Fury makes it to a third fight. I think he loses again before then. What do you think? I don't know because they were doing the rounds again today on social media that supposedly Anthony Josho at Tyson Fury is all set for taking place on Netflix.

Okay. Okay. No, not from any sort of official source, of course, but that's what the rumor mill is saying. So whoever had the 16th of March in the sweep streak for what day would they announce Andy Josho at Tyson Fury this year, congratulations, it's happened every single year since about 2020.

Yes. Yep. And, you know, as we all know, they're yet to fight. So I will believe it when I see it.

But if his plan is McRudom, Joshua and sit about with Ferusic, I can see him not losing. I don't know if he beat Josho at all. I don't know. We'll see how he gets McRudom.

I think that's it. And I think Josho has the box once really. I don't. He could come in against Fury straight up.

I'd like to see Josho at box once and see how he looks. You know, because I think Jack Paul isn't in preparation for Tyson Fury. He needs to fight someone big, someone's own size really before he fights, goes straight with Fury. But, you know, it might be better to catch Fury now before he has it, before he gets, he has too many tune-ups.

Are we ruling out about moving off some shock in the world, John? Yeah, pretty much because he is essentially tailor made for Tyson Fury. The only concern here is Tyson Fury famously fucks about in the sleep as he fights. Yeah.

He's been immediately little fired in them. And I'm imagining he wins probably in second gear, probably doesn't even stop McMoodle. Yeah. Yeah.

Is it 10 or 12 rounds? I think it is 12, but I would have to check that. It's 12. Yeah, sorry.

It's 12. If Matt Moodle of Chindi won't smash the ass up, it plays me fucking unrecognizable. If Matt Moodle of Chindi, he'd be limous to be absolutely limous. Have you known him Chindi?

No, he went life in death with him, didn't he? He went life in death with Dave Allen and bless him. Dave Allen. I hope he has a wonderful life, but he's not very good.

He is a fringe domestic level contender. He is a domestic, not fringe. He's a domestic level contender. He's avoided the domestic title like the play.

He doesn't want any part of them at all. Even though he said before, that's what he wants to do. And that's very clearly his level, but he's going to go and book somebody that's far better than him. He's going to lose again and he's going to knock over and put in and around.

That's Dave Allen's career. That's what it's always been. That's what it always been. It's funny, actually, he said 16th of March, which is obviously in America to call that free 16 day.

And it did make me, you know, they call that free 16 day because of Stone Cold Steve Austin. It makes me think of what Lix said, because nobody wanted Austin to be here. Nobody wanted that. He went here when nobody really bought in.

It's the same with Usek. No one wants Usek to be here. He'll be here again. I think we'll love him anyway, won't we?

Yeah, as I say, he is getting such a pass on this. If you compare the reaction directed specifically towards Usek for the fight and the elements versus the feud he directed towards, for the Undanu fight, it's very different. People don't like this fight, but they're not flaming Usek. No, no.

I suppose people just see it as he's taking his doing his taking his things, right? Yeah, like I feel that Joshua and Fudie were personally held responsible for their fights against Undanu and Joshua as against Stojik, who whereas in a lot of corners, no hold them, Usek is getting pretty much a free pass. Yeah, there's always like a kind of weird reverse is enophobia. It's like, oh, well, he's just a cheeky Ukrainian.

He doesn't know what he's just doing. He's just told, whereas Fiori and Joshua are saying, is he's cunning, smart guys that know exactly what he's doing, bunch of con artists. Yeah, I know what you mean. I know what you mean.

Yeah, but yeah, I think there's also been two. Also been two, three more years since then as well. I think people have just kind of shrugged their shoulders down with this stuff. It's just like, oh, OK, well, a lot of people are upset because it's going to be further the WBC heavyweight title, which I think is absolutely fair.

But yeah, there was an element. For me, I was like, whatever. I kind of just felt like, you know what, you beat everyone there is to beat. I would like to see him fight Caball.

I think that's the last fight for him, maybe Wardley. I don't want to see him fight Tysofiri again. I don't see the point in it at all. I'm not convinced if he gets to it, but we shall see.

We shall see. Because I like a massive drama. Yeah. I'm actually hoping that all V that I'd be into that.

You can't block testers. Oh, God. Yeah, that pig farmer. That big farmer that's snitched on him.

Do you believe? David Hay, all of his enemies, just all at the ring walk, all of the post conference, just sat in their front row. He'd quit after three rounds. It'd be over.

It'd be over. It'd be worse than when Tommy Free bottled it from that UFC fight because he said he's going to kick him. OK, let's move on. Have a little news bits.

Janne Beck got stripped of the IBF title, John. But the WBO suspended him for a year. They haven't stripped him. And then Denzel went there for the internal.

Is that right? Yeah, that is all correct. It doesn't make any sense, but welcome to boxing. I suspect that by the time his years, it always annoys me when sanctioning bodies suspend fires.

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But Bentley is he's in the box for the instrument title. Tim Seuss number three at middleweight. Don't be beat. Oh, fuck me.

But yeah, Bentley's got a 5-3-2 title. I suspect that the winner of that fight, it's Bentley, Zabedra. I think that's happening over in the UK soon. I think the winner of that is going to get upgraded to the full title.

I think he's got to super mid-way after a year. He's higher the way anyway. I think he's a veteran. I think I'm not a year out of the ring.

He's going up, John. I think he's going to move up. Did you hear the top rank are supposedly saying with D'Zor? Yes, I think they've not quite announced it yet.

But I think a lot of media outlets have got that now. It's not a huge amount of money, is it? Wow. Because the wording is a bit great.

Right. If it's a 5 million per show budget, then it's quite a lot of money. If it's a 5 million per deal over each show, it's not a lot of money. Yeah.

They've got a lot of fighters. Okay, look, they've got a lot of fighters. Michael and Myers signed a MVP. I don't know.

They've still got some good fighters. They've got Yannabec. They've got, I don't know if they've still got T.O. Lopez, Bruce Carrington.

They've still got good fighters, John, haven't they? You think if they can get a good enough budget from design, they can still be a player? Top rank have more unified champions at this moment than any other performer. Do they?

Yeah. Keep on Davis. I've done a decent. They've got some good fighters still.

They've got finished. I saw them lose Michaela Maya to MVP. And I was just like, fuck, who's left? Who's going to turn the lights out?

Who's going to turn the lights out from the way out? I saw that Michaela Maya signed with MVP. And I thought, who the fuck's Crusher Schulz going to fight? Closer Schulz, in some ways, you can commend her loyalty for sticking with Dimitri Salita.

But when all viable opponents are signing with MVP and go refusing to, it's another way. It's not a good look. Her insistence of fighting at 100% of 5 pounds, her insistence on not going to the side of the street where everybody else is. It means that the biggest fights are going to elude her.

She needs to start working her way back to the weight classes. Get to 154 again. 160, you can't make 154 anymore. Otherwise, she's never going to have the names on her record to compete with a key dealer.

Who was she talking about fighting? It was one of the goals that had boxed her. It was the girl that had lost to Cruz. Yeah, I agree.

What's she doing? What is she doing? There's nothing for her at 175, but she's just sticking around there. But there's nothing for her.

I don't know. I think 154 might be a stretch, but that was it. She dies agreeing. I think she was talking about fighting her because I think she might have a super middleweight title or something like that.

She's like, I'll fight you because I thought she's fighting 90 Daniels, who's already lost her clothes. She's fucking hell. It's just it's not, there's no deck at those title weeks. It's people she's already beat or people that have lost the people she's already beat.

Yeah, if shields can get back down to 160, 157, it makes fights like McKillamier or playable. Long price. I think not hit her and on prices to fight at middleweight. I think that would be great.

It's not on price with MVP or is she gone? No, she's still with boxer. She needs to go to the right side of the street. She's another one.

She needs to get over to the other side of the street as well because she hasn't boxed her. It feels like ages. So actually when we were just at the record, I saw that the Odenelost. He did.

Got knocked out. Yeah, the three haven't been dropped in the seventh quite quite a sad end really, but hopefully it is the end. That's that now, isn't it? It's not to you.

This is what, he's 43 and he's still boxing at Bantam. It's like a fair play to you. But move up, juice up or just retire. Get on it, son.

Get bang on the juice. He's in. Yeah, I think that's him. I think that's him now.

The only thing I would accept is chocolate tea to against Donair. Yeah, yeah. If you're going to be boxing, you should be fighting other legends. You shouldn't be fighting people that are making their way up.

You shouldn't be putting people over on their way up. You should be boxing, chocolateito. Yeah. I'd watch that.

When's the chocolate tea to a last box? Not all that long ago. Yeah, I defied back in the collab. You were last year?

Right. Right. Last year and then, okay, fair enough. Fair enough.

He's reeked out boxing again. No, no, no, no, no, no. He hasn't boxed in since the 24. I thought maybe because I thought he blew his eyes out.

He had an accident with a pressure cooker. That was an interview with a pressure cooker. Yeah, an accident with a pressure cooker. I thought, oh no.

He was going to be blind, but then there was talking to him and fighting again. Okay. Okay. All right.

So I was sat there because spurs are so terrible and I've had the up with the world. I hated Twitter, right? Not that app, not my account. I deleted the app off my phone.

Right. So I installed the app again for you. I had a couple of mates around. We were having a curry and that.

So I thought, all right, I'll put Twitter back on. I'll keep an eye on it until the main event starts and I'll watch the main event. And then it got to about half ten. I was like, where's this main event?

I'm just like, I'm just from a refresh. Why isn't it's not saying the main event's not saying the four. I'm just going to put it on the zone anyway. I'm just saying it's fucking round seven.

When you install it, the default setting for your timeline is like a popular tweet. It's not in all darks. I had to change that now. I've changed it now.

But because I deleted the app, I'd miss like the first half of the fight. But right result? It was a close fight. It was a fight where either man really did an awful lot of anything.

Yeah. Yeah. To catch you whole day with a job, largely to keep Dickens a B, didn't really follow through with meaningful right hands too often. You stab the right hand to the chest occasionally.

Jazza would jump in and try and unload something to the body himself. Maybe get a lift to get into the head. But there was a lot of push and there was a bit of a phony war. Both were flat into the sleeve.

And then on social media, there was people going to catch you on that wide. It was a Robertine Dickens one that clearly I might. It just wasn't that sort of fight. Yeah.

For me, it was a 115, 113 fight either way. But as we so often say, the commentary was absolutely abysmal from early doors. The narrative was that could catch you with forcing things when really wasn't. He had a big fifth round, a decent sixth round, and there were only two conclusive rounds of the fight.

Yeah. Dickens had done some good stuff in the second. But really, it wasn't a good advert. It's nice that two guys who've had a lot of struggle patches of inactivity.

Yeah. Dickens went to time with the American Dream in Miami and ended up fighting in Puerto Rico and sleeping in a bunk bed and all sorts of mad things. They didn't plan out, caccia was delivered in pizzas. So, two dedicated pros who deep in their theories are earning some cash, winning some titles.

It's nice and old, but it was just a dull fight. Yeah. High level tactical fights can be interesting. But this was two guys not really doing an awful lot of anything.

Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I agree.

The writing was on the wall for me when Carl Franklin would come and come and try and call Caccia Anto. And I was like, ah, you know. The former starting partner, they lived together. Franklin has called him the hardest punch he's ever faced in Spa in Carl Franklin.

They've been banging the drum for Anto Caccia for 15 years. They were both assigned to a cycle together at one point. They were both training with Shane McWigg in London briefly. But yeah.

And he was providing a scorecard. Yeah. That was the bit for me. Oh, Anto's doing well.

Anto's doing well. Anto's doing well. Anto's doing well. Anto's doing well.

Anto's doing well. Anto's doing well. Anto's doing well. Anto's doing well.

Anto's doing well. Like, we know who you want to win. It's over in Ireland. You know, they feel down the cards before we've even started.

It's one of those. I think the score was around ages 16, 1, 12, 1, 15, 1, 15, fine. No issue with it. But yeah, as always, the broadcast of the country was terrible.

And for once, Adam Smith wasn't the worst part of it. It was Carl Franklin. And they just got to get away from this thing or just having fighters mates on commentary. Like, but we know what we know what does only.

We know what it's been for a while. It's the absolute pits. But Caccia Fair painted me on a great run. And he's on a Josh Lawrence in type run where he is just beating the best.

He's lucky enough to have domestic rivals at kind of world level. He vacated the IBL for the IBF belt because he didn't want to fight Schuvenuners. He didn't want to have a moody mandatory. And he's managed to waggle him, not managed to, you know, polity his way into an other world title fight against Jezzadik and Zoo to be fair.

Got his title by email. And he's won one of another belt. And that's fair pay to him, John, right? Yeah.

And they're looking to cash him out in the summer. Who's it doing a bit with? Ryan Garner. Okay.

Ultimately, it's in meetings. That's why Ryan Garner was having a fight in the undercard. That is what they're looking to do to see Garner. Another mate of Carl Frump, who's another guy who's fired many, many rings with Frump, and can finally put it all together, deliver on his talent, live the life, not mess about with drink cars from the next day to ring and put it all together on the night against an Okey-Kashi.

Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah. I can see E-Box and Aik Rounder at lightweight, so he doesn't have to make quite, but he's got a snake discipline.

He can't get on the pier tonight. He's got to make a certain weight before a guy that was 19, 12 and two. Yeah. Yeah.

A little warm up fair enough. I probably do that early some. I won't. They may June something like that.

They won't be out of the ring too, too long. Do you want to know Carol won an IBM title, John? Yeah. Nice result.

The contingency plan. Yeah. That's their backup. That is the backup.

For a way of a reason, they can't meet Kekachi Garner. They will have Kekachi against John O'Cadall back back in Ireland. Nice. Nice.

I like it. I like it. It's funny, actually, look at it. On Box Wreck, they've got WBA World Super Fevid, a little silver trophy next to it.

Basically saying it's a silver belt. It's not really a real belt. When you go down to the IBO belt, it's like gold. This is a real world title.

I like this. I like the respect that the IBO is finally being shown and that really, John O'Carrie was more of a world champion than Anzi Kekachi is. I'm with that. I'm with that.

I'm with that. That's what propaganda John is basically. Fair play. John O'Carrie looked kind of done, didn't he?

And beating guy in Cold Murphy over in Ireland, that's a great result for him. Yeah. He didn't look great doing it. Yeah.

It was a plate, wasn't it? Yeah. He's still a guy that is pretty much done, but it's something that will sell if they need to go Ireland versus Northern Ireland. It'll work.

It'll sell. They'll make money on it. As fun be goes, it's not a bad one. I suppose what you could do, I don't know if they would do it and I don't know if he's still active or not, but what might be fun is if they do make Kekachi, if they make Kekachi against Ryan Gardner, you've got John O'Carrie's Balotti, I think would be a nice match up as a chief support.

You go to Hawaii in your head all the time, but when you're actually ready to go, there's is Expedia, flights, hotels, vacation home scars, save more when you bundle so you can stop dreaming and start saving. Yeah, then one place you go to go places. Members only savings very. Yes, I'll put it.

I think that would be good fun for as long as it lasts. Yeah, two shot fighters. Shot-ish. Shot-ish fighters.

Yeah. And then talking of shot-ish fighters, Maxi Hughes, it looks like the end frame, doesn't it? He's lost a Piss-O-Leary, which some people kind of felt was coming out party for him. Super lightweight, so perhaps a little big foot for Maxi Hughes.

Again, IBO Super lightweight title, so a fringe world title. Was it Piss-O-Leary coming out party or was Maxi Hughes done? For me, I think it's more Maxi Hughes being done done, but he's worked good. When every time I've seen him, he has worked absolutely fine, but they have matched him very carefully at this point.

I want to see him tasting. I want to see him pushed. They've got aspirations of getting him in with adult and Smith, the matchmaking needs to be a bit tougher than what it's been, because both Dalton Smith and even Adam Azim have faced better opposition than Piss-O-Leary. Would you like to see him fight for British title next?

Who did that? I had that. I saw that at the weekend. I did think to myself, in the V do not mention in boxing for the British title, don't do it.

So, yes, thanks for that. They've announced a new Acatani, it's official now, and announced, and they're going to go for May. We thought maybe it might get put off a bit because Acatani got cut in these last fight. Any feelings about it?

Have you changed your mind? I think we both kind of felt that a new A was just going to be too good for him. Now it's kind of done and announced for May. How are you feeling about it?

It's still a very interesting fight, because although Nakatani didn't look great against Sebastian Sebastian Hernandez. He is still a tall, reachy South Pole. He has got wonderful feet. Very best.

He's green-flowing. I don't think his power carries up in weight as much as I would have liked to make this a real barn burner. But he still has the skills. I mean, no, that anyway is vulnerable at this weight himself.

And against South Pole. And against South Pole. Yeah. So whilst I lean towards an early, I'm still very interested in it.

Like it's one of the more interesting match-ups that has been announced for this year. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's going to...

I still haven't changed my mind. I still think he's going to blitz him. And he hasn't really blitzed anybody at super-bantam. But...

I just remembered what I said after his fight. He's a fucking pretty boy, Nakatani. He's just a pretty boy. He's there to pretend rival.

He's a mighty genetic, isn't he? He's a mighty genetic. He's a mighty genetic to a new ache or Michael's. It's going to be future music.

And I think that's going to be a free-to-barbershop window. It's going to be one of those ones, I think. Isn't he new? He's a pretty boy.

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