Ep. 255 - Lessons Learned

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. I have to say the episode number to myself before we start recording about 255. 255. Like Ron Burgundy doing vocal exercises in Anchorman.

Um, have you seen Anchorman? The Oceanist has oddly shipped feet. Heh heh heh heh. Unique New York.

Heh heh. Unique New York. Great, it's a great film. It's not like how England, it's not like something that makes you how with laughter, but it's just lots and lots of mildly funny moments throughout that film.

It's a great movie. How are you? How are you John? I'm very well, thank you, here you go.

Yeah, I'm talking to Easter Egg mate. Easter Egg season now, we're a week away. I went to Tesco's on whenever it was Wednesday, Thursday. I was like, oh my god, I haven't bought myself an Easter Egg yet.

And I was like, oh look, Kinder Egg, they actually bought one of them. Oh, Cabry's Easter Egg, one of them. And suddenly I've done like 25 quid on Easter eggs just for myself. Um, getting smaller, man.

Oh my god, this little thing that I've just opened, oh my god, it's tiny. It's tiny and they throw a few miny eggs in there to weight it up a bit as well. It's terrible isn't it? Shrinkflation everywhere?

Yeah, yeah, it is that. Shrinkflation, this is exactly that. It is exactly that. Um, okay, what's going on?

What, um, I went to ask you what, um, what world title is all it's kind of who's taking a vacate next? Do you think? I actually don't know because he's about to have a voluntary with the WBC. Uh, where was I?

I was just on the Rankins a minute ago. Um, so he's about to have a voluntary with that. He's about to defend that. So maybe that buys him a little bit of time.

IBS don't have a number one contender and they love stripping a fighter if they can. The WBA as Gassia is a regular champion, Moses the Taliban is the, I'm going to get onto him. Is the number one contender for that belt for the regular belt? Yeah.

And the WBS will be a lot of people we've lost that belt. I still, I still might be a RBF the favourites. Just because they, they can't help themselves. Probably and the WBA and WBC just all of attaching themselves to any big name fighter and they don't really care about their own rules.

Yeah, whereas the IBF will stick religiously to their rules. They're there. Well, the idea for some random eliminated in place, like, well, end up with Derek, which is what I've been a mandatory challenger. Yeah, he's number two, but while does not rank with the IBF.

So this weekend isn't going to be a mandatory, isn't going to be eliminated. You wouldn't think unless he suddenly makes an appearance. I think Sanchez told us as an eliminateer. Is it?

Is it? I saw. Okay. Okay.

Yeah, I'd make the IBF the favourites and then the WBA just can't be like, they don't care. They've got two champions. They'll probably make an interim champion at some point as well. So yeah, I would say the IBF I would say.

Yeah, the IBS always a decent bit on the sort of somebody. I can't help it. They just, they, they just can't help themselves. They just enjoy it too much.

It's been quite quiet. It's been, I know, just thought I'd box into bit shit at the minute. For lack of a bit of word, it's just like a bit shit. There's not much, although it's not to lie about a bit like this weekend.

We've had a few cards next weekend. It's just all a while that we're going to get on to. But does it feel a bit near the minute, John? I'm okay with where we're at the minute.

Like last night was decent. Things are picking up. It fuels much of a muchness. I just think now that the Saudi model has changed, that we got spoiled for a few years there with these insane cards, that they're just not putting together anymore.

Everything just feels a little bit bland and mediocre now. But in reality, it's back to the sort of cards we've had for much of the last 10 years. Yeah. Some decent British cards and decent world level cards, even top ranked cover TV gestation now.

So there's just, yeah, there's, yeah, I think you're right. We're kind of back to where we were a few weeks ago, sorry, a few years ago before the Saudi money kind of came in. But that's okay. That's okay.

Yeah. But I also realized you don't like any herd and shoulders a lot of the blame for the way British boxing's gone. Yeah. Yeah.

And he plays his part because he sold his vision to Skye. But watching last night's boxing, it don't be precisely whose fault it is. Whose fault is it? It's Adam Fucking Smith.

Everything is full. He makes everything worse. He was in charge of the Skye boxing at the time, and they signed their exclusive matchroom deal, go-by-no-by-night fights, go-by-no-card and leisure centers, everything had to be in a arena. He facilitated any herd's vision of boxing.

Yeah. Yeah. And he hadn't bought it. Things wouldn't look the way they do now.

Yeah. It's a lot of cracking cards and leisure centers. Yes. And there's not seen basketball looking back at you?

No, it's part is how it's like my former two years were seeing a basketball hoop in the leisure center and seeing Jason Booth box for the British title. You know, that's boxing's even one of the tip of the world title. You know, in some fucking leisure center, in Sunderland, up in the or somewhere up in the northeast somewhere. Michael Hunter, you know, people like that, not Michael Hunter, but the heavyweight, you know, the guy that wore the camouflage shorts and box at Superbanta.

That's the boxing I grew up with. But you know what, John, I was here just slagging off boxing, saying, it's a bit meta. We've just had a card last night, we've had a PBC card last night. Next week, we've got Wilder and Chizora.

The same night, we've got Lauren Price's box for the first time in what feels like a decade. Karen Dubois on the Sunday against Terry Harper. Then the following week, it's Tyson Fury. And then the following week, it's Callum Smith against David Morel.

So I've been a bit of a grumpy bastard, aren't I? Oh, that's fine. Well, it's all the way to be a grumpy bastard from 10 to 10. Yeah, thank you.

Thank you. I'm grateful for that. I am grateful. Which week last night?

Let's talk about... What should we talk about first? No, John, we'll talk about Sebastian from Dora first. Okay.

He beat the fuck up, he's firm, didn't he? He did, but it was always the likely outcome. Yeah. Like, Keith Thurman has had a lot of problems with injuries.

He's 37. He's a natural weller. He doesn't really carry the same power of that 154 that he did at 147. And it wasn't the most devastating punch at 147.

It was always going to be a tough night. It was always going to be a sad night for Keith Thurman. I'm never keen on guys who are old facing young, hungry champions. I much rather they just face other old guys.

And most of the time, those fights end up being dog meat. But very occasionally you get, when they're equally shot, fantastic fight. And yeah, it was pretty predictable to know what they did, what Dora should do and with pretty good process. He's weird, for Dora, where he's obviously six foot, six foot, five and a half, sorry.

Super lanky, super rangy. I suspect he'd, well, he weighed 153 and a half. So he does the weight fine amazingly. He's a WBC champion.

So he doesn't have to do any weird sort of rehydration or anything like that. Do you think he, below, do you think he, do you think he balloons up, you know, the 24 hours before the fight? And do you think he balloons between fights? Do you think he's, you know, quite sad all the time?

I'll start with your second question first. I've seen him in between fights on pictures of him in social media. And he certainly doesn't balloon up much. I think he's just naturally a lanky guy.

Yeah. The fact that he's sort of full, like he could be fighting at heady weight, but he's never going to have a flame to carry that muscle. It's not in his genetics. So he's just outside.

But yeah, I would imagine that he blows up because the vast majority of Americans are much, much bigger on fight night. Something that's really prevalent over there, packing on 10, 15 pounds minimum. We've seen who he sees our shove his junior boot on. Was it 35 pounds or something?

Yeah. When he was fighting in Texas, it was, it was like that, wasn't it? He was he was he would be waiting at middle and he was the middleweight champion. And then like, obviously there was no reh, there was because he was fighting Texas.

There'll be no drug testing. There'd be no reh way or anything like that. And he probably wouldn't do even the TV way in his HBO used to do that, didn't they used to do get fights away in on the night, just for their own interest. But he didn't do any of that.

And he was basically a cruiser by the time he got in the ring. Or so they said, Yeah, so it's all the epundly, I don't know quite how true that is. It's the fucking American. It's the exactity of everything.

I think it was quite that extreme, but I thought it was at least a light heavy on the night. Yeah. Oh, yeah. If not small, if not small cruiser, you know, a 181-85.

And it might just be genetics with, with Findora, because his sister, Gabriella's the undisputed flyweight champion. And she was saying, because she defended her titles a couple of weeks ago. About two weeks ago, she defended her titles one by knockout. And she was saying afterwards, you know, they were saying, what are you going to do?

You're going to just be a champion. You're a flyweight. And you know, people were saying, you're going to go up. You're going to go up to Superfly.

She goes, I can't. Like, I can't. I'm going to go down. I'm going to go down.

I'm going to be a light fly. I'm going to go to 108 and try and find fights there. Because she's like, I can't put on. Did you hear that?

Did you see that? Did you see those? It's mental, isn't it? Yeah.

Some people just have genetics like that. Yeah. She's like, can't put on weight. She's just getting a buffet or two.

And she'll be, you know, I'm sure she'll put it on quick enough. But maybe that's it for the fedoras. Maybe they just, they find it hard to put on weight. And that's why, you know, Sebastian has been able to stay at 154 for so long.

I think PBC going to carry on doing PBC things. Tim's due, I think he's fighting next weekend. He's fighting next weekend as well. I've seen this meet little me, shit in a box in, and there's like loads of cards on.

I think he's fighting next weekend in Australia. And then I think next weekend they're probably going to announce Tim's due against Errol Spence. Do you think they're going to line up the winner of those two to fight for Nora at some point? That's what PBC do.

Yeah. They keep it in house. And unless there is insane money put on the table for a victor or tease boots in us, I can't imagine that they'll deviate from that sort of plan. And it looks like Zander Zaz is going to defend his unified titles against boots.

So that removes one of those options for them being at least. So yeah, unless he's turkey must decide he wants Ortiz and Nora, I can't see him doing anything else other than putting him on the shelf until Zu and Spain fight and having him fight the winner. Yeah. Or he might have a kind of interim fight, like a kind of a kind of a kind of a not a shoe nut, but like an easier defence kind of thing, someone I thought it might have been Brian Mendoza.

I thought they might try and make that rematch, but he lost last night John. So yeah, yeah. I thought they'd probably be trying to do the rematch and build that story of all this. It's the only guide to beeps and Dora.

Let's make the rematch, but then he's lost and that's kind of that really. So yeah, I think he'll have an interim fight of sorts. And then he's going to fight the winner of Tim's U and Errol Spence talking about, you know, we always talk about how much we love match ups with equally shot fighters. Who's more shot at them to Tim's U and Errol Spence?

It's hard to say because we have not seen Errol Spence. That's fair point. We do not know if to this name we don't know was Errol Spence completely done that night with Terrence Crawford. Was Crawford completely brilliant or does it feel like somewhere in the middle?

Yeah. Yeah. It's a fair. I think I've always felt that Spence was, I always kind of felt that Spence was shot on the night.

It's dropped off a jab and he just never really recovered. And this is a guy that's had multiple wars and multiple car crashes and keeps walking forward and then he gets dropped by a jab off a welter who's not really a puncture. He just looked like a shot fighter from round one of that fight. But not to take away from Crawford was exceptional and proved to be an exceptional fighter for the last two fights of his career.

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I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I think I think Spencer's probably the more shot. I think you spend that much time out of the ring.

It might have been it might be good for him having the break. I'm not even if he has a tune up, I think he loses the tune up. I think he's that gone. But I'm no more qualified than we are.

It's just like up for you. It is that I think he's completely gone. Yeah. Okay.

All right. Um, should we talk about Moses's a talent? Let's go with Moses. Good almost.

Um, do you know what's called out last night? Was it sold out? Do you know? It was clean to be sold out.

Fair play. And that was at the Manchester Arena, whatever it's called. Now, what's it called? Co-op.

So it's not the Manchester Arena. It wasn't called out by which is a different arena. That's the man city one, isn't it? Yeah.

We had this conversation last time, didn't we? Yes, we did. Yeah. It's the, they need to go back to the MEN.

Do they just call it that? Or we should not have just called it the MEN or the Manchester Arena. Or the Manchester Arena. Do some free advertising for Manchester Arena.

There's, um, yeah, it was there and that's for a time that was the biggest indoor arena in England. And then there was a lot of people who appeared to have won tickets. Ah, oh, they did the competition, didn't they? They did the competition.

Ah, Frank loves the competition win two tickets and then there's a hundred winners. Yes. Yes. Fair play.

Well, well, yeah, yeah. It's a tough selling it, John really, to pay, you know, upwards of 60 quid to sit in the nosebleeds and then hundreds and two hundreds or three hundreds to see a prospect against someone who's best win is two losses to a shot, Dylan White and a semi shot and some Joshua. And he does have a win over even Ditchco. Oh, he doesn't even know I thought he was that fight?

Well, shit, the bet. But on paper, like he's got a win over in the European. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, fair enough. Fair enough. Who's the Olympian? He's an individual.

Ah, well, fair enough. But still, still, it's a tough sell, isn't it? For, to pay arena prices in this economy, um, you know, to see a prospect against a main franchise, you know, is pretty tough. Um, but...

But we, do we learn anything, John? Do you think? Yeah, like a few things I would say. It confirms that his power is legit.

Yep. Because Joshua looked like a wrecking ball on the way up and we discovered at the highest level, he wasn't a Debussy in one punch and okay artist. Yep. He empowered to hurt anybody and then he would need to get bad as your punches to pull it up.

The fact that Moses was able to get rid of Franklin when White and Joshua couldn't is taking the box for his power. It also for me showed that he's not ready for all his under-us-ic. No. No.

There was still mistakes there. He was over-eager and brushing his work in the first round. He was reaching with his punches in the third and the fourth. There are mistakes there.

Nip-picky, he is still a phenomenal prospect. Yeah. He does so many things right, but he is not the finished article because he's a 21 year old. Yeah, of course.

Of course. Did you learn how to go? Um, no, not really. We didn't, you know, I know we both kind of felt like we need to see him get hit.

We didn't see him hit on the whiskers. Like we need to see him take one. Uh, we didn't really, we didn't see him take one. We didn't see him get buzzed.

We didn't see any mini crisis in there. He had it all his own way still. So it was hard for us to learn there. I think, um, he's not a David Price.

I don't think it's that because I think, you know, we saw David Price blitz through the British level and then, you know, get up to world level and then, you know, fell apart to be honest. Um, so I think he's not that. Um, he's a horrible knight for anybody. Um, a tall, rangy, quick, southpore with dig and great feet.

Like, that was what it was last night. The difference was the hands-beat and the feet. He's very switched on. He's very aware.

He, yes, he gets clipped. Yes, yes, he's a little over. He's not reckless. He doesn't go in chin first.

That was feet. He is ready to get out when he needs to. Um, so yeah, I'm a fan. Um, I can't wait to turn on him because that's just who I am.

Uh, that's who we are as British people. He's, you know, we're gonna wait for him to get. He needs a couple of fights and then I'm gonna turn on him, but not quite yet. I'm not ready to do that yet.

Um, so I'm not sure if I learned anything about him. Um, yeah, we saw, it was all positives. It was all positives. It was a, it was a, a minus or a B plus.

It was, you know, I don't think it was much in front of him. If I'm being, if I'm nitpicking, I don't think it was much in front of him, really. Um, just because of help, just because of how heavy Franklin was as well. It's not a good look when someone goes into a big fight like this.

Anyways, you know, 20 pounds what he's, what he weighed a few fights to count. It's a little bit concerning, really. Um, but yeah, good performance and what, not caring. Yeah, that, that apricot is a thing of me.

And as you said, we didn't see the chin checked, which is a box that needs to be ticked because we've seen his brother, Carol, get stopped. I'm not sure the best whiskers in the world. So it will be a question mark, but I do think that the next fight will probably be a potential chin checker. So I saw, um, we were at Gassia's manager saying we'll have it.

Um, because he's, he's not like we were saying at the start of the potties. Number one with the WBA, the WBA aren't going to rush a mandatory for usic. Um, which is why Gassia is there, right? That's exactly why Gassia is there.

It's why that regular title exists. So they can have mandatory, they can have, have, they can tick over, with their wild, wild title being defended while leaving the superstars alone, being the super champions. Um, I could see them doing that next. Is that what you're thinking maybe might be next or something else?

I think they have to do that next. I don't think they're gonna have much of an option. Yeah, yeah. Because did you see the tweet from the president of WBO?

Oh no, no. What do you say? He is going to push for a tournament to be made the mandatory for the WBO. Right.

And if Wadi beats do Boir, they have the same train on it. It's just not gonna happen. It's just not gonna happen. And you're going to then end up in a situation where one of Frank Warren's fighters is going to be pissed off.

Yeah. And one is going to take a mandatory vote title or the other is having to give up his belt to avoid the mandatory. So I think they will put the WBA regular title route just to keep things clean, nice and easy. If Dubois wins, it could be a different story, but with it being a voluntary, there will be a rematch clause in there.

But then the mandatory being called the super cedar rematch clause and the whole thing would get very nice. So I think just for keeping things clean for Frank's business, they will put him towards Gassia next. Yeah. They'll probably do a per speed.

They'll probably go to a per speed and the Russians will go big on that, won't they? But I don't think that should scare a Tamar, really. I don't think that's very good. I think a Tamar would beat him.

But there's a little bit of risk there and it'll probably be in Russia. I think it kicks a lot of boxes for a Tamar. I think we'll get more questions answered then than we did last night. Yeah.

And I wouldn't actually be surprised if anything goes to personal it's a minute that his turkey must doesn't win it and put it in the absolute worst place for Frank Warren's fighter. Quite in Saudi. And Saudi in Russia in Rudak Gassia's mum's garden. Just three Saudi judges at ringside.

Saudi ref it's holding up Gassia every time he goes to fall over, docking points every time. Little disqualification. I'll imagine that. It'll be like a heel wreck in WCW.

Just turns bad on him and goes, that's a low blow, you fucking disqualified us. I'd love that. It'd be terrible for the sport. It's a terrible football sport, but I'd be awful.

I'd be awful. I'd be awful at that heel wreck in boxing, John. Yeah, it's possible, isn't it? It's possible that he's turkey-ness because Frank owns heady weight, doesn't he?

He doesn't own fury and he doesn't own the big big fires. But he's got all the contenders, isn't he? Yeah, he's got a lot of major players. Yeah.

So it's going to make it complicated unless Frank and Turkey can sort of, the differences come to some sort of reasonable agreement. Things could get ugly. Yeah, yeah. At the minute, it seems, you've got Joshua kind of just fought on Netflix, but he's a veteran of fires, so you think he'd fight on design.

They've just, a matter of just re-signed with re-adseason, haven't they? Yeah. So they're not going anywhere. They're still going to work with his turkey-ness.

Fury's kind of a free agent, doesn't even have a trainer, doesn't even have a dad. All right, he doesn't have anything. It's fucking awful. Well, his dad's turned on him.

He doesn't have a trainer. He's out with sugar heel, he's out with his dad. And he doesn't have a parrotter and he can't sell a ticket. It's a lot going on with Fury, isn't it?

But he's kind of a free agent. And then you've got Oleksandr Usek that's with re-adseason a little bit. He's obviously fighting an idiot, but he had a re-adseason. So you've still got the champion boxing for his turkey-ness, but that's about it.

And then all the contenders, most of them anyway, most of the top guys, you know, Talmar Ikali. Hoververver, it's so govitch, a Queensborough fighter? No. No.

He might be a match on fire, actually. Could you hear that awful news? Yes, it's at the end of the running order. Oh, yeah, it's the end of the running order.

So I'm just... I didn't send it to you tonight. I'm fucking idiot. Nice one.

So yeah, Dave Allen and Philip Herkovich, don't what you're talking about. Yeah. He's going to be the fuck out of Dave Allen. Well, I've got a theory about this.

Go on. Dave Allen, don't care about losing. And then I said this after the last fight when he lost to Mac Rudolph. I don't think he was bothered about losing.

I think he's bothered about losing to TKV or some of the British. If he boxes for a British title and loses, like David Price fight, right, that David Price fight fucked him up mentally. He went into that fight, kind of people were expecting him to be David Price, David Price is chinting, so Chiny Bang on, right? He's like Sky High-Tire Fields with a Scouse accent, right?

But he loses, you know, he ends up getting battered by David Price, and he did a job on him, didn't he? And stopped him when he quit in his corner. And he never really... He took a while for him to get over that.

And I think in a fight where he's expected to win, he can't handle losing a fight like that. Whereas I don't think he cares about losing to Herkovich. I think he takes the fight, half expecting to lose, going, well, he's Herkovich. It's like he's scared of the British title.

It's weird. Don't box for the British title. I know he can't. He can't immediately.

But he just seems to... he seems to be happy to fight above his level because he's okay with losing. Is that harsh? I think it's a little harsh because there's also so much money involved in this.

Is there? Really? Yeah, I imagine he gets paid much more for fighting Philip Herkovich to keep him on stadium than he would for fighting TKV at your call. But that's the bit I don't get.

Why can't you fight TKV at the Keep Mode stadium? Why is Philip Herkovich really... Is Philip Herkovich really getting the people of Lancaster out there to see? Like, is he a draw here?

Is it the name that Dave Allen is one or two fights away from the world title? No, I believe that though. I don't know. I don't know.

You might be right. You might be right. I don't know. I just think...

I don't know. I don't know. But I'm being harsh. You think that it's okay for him to fight Herkovich?

I think it's okay. But I don't think it's necessarily out of fear. I think it's probably out of bank balance more than anything else. I'm not saying that that isn't a factor because if he loses a lower level, it limits his ability to bounce back again.

Whereas with this, the British title is still there. Yeah. Like, you lose to Herkovich. You can drop back down to the British title level.

You lose to TKV where you go from there. How long do you say that for? Do you know what I mean? I don't want to fight at all.

Like, this is a guy who retired because he got buzzed by music. He was fighting and didn't feel that his punch resistance was there anymore. It's a guy who's bought Ortiz, White, Yoka, Thomas twice, David Price, Laser Clark, MacMoodo. I don't think that Dave Allen needs to be taking any more punches to the hit.

Yeah, I agree. I agree. But we can't make that decision for him. No.

And the people who could and should make that decision for him will clean that they're looking after the best interest of his family. The player is also looking after the best interest of their own bank balance. Yeah. Yeah, of course.

And it's something Dave Allen is a drawer isn't he? People like him. And they need to, you know, Mattram need to provide those own move shows that aren't paid for you. Although, is it too soon?

So this isn't paid for you, are they? And it's a prank for Orange Hill. Is it? I thought it was a Mattram show.

No, I think it's a prank for Orange Hill. Dave Allen's with Mattram. He is with Mattram. But I think maybe Frank will have heard of it then.

Right. Because it's Jake Bockster, they're always thinking it's a prank show. Right. Right.

Oh, yeah. Look at that. Oh, no. Yeah, it's on the Queensbury.

Yeah. It's a Queensbury show. I just assumed, because Dave Allen's with Mattram, that it would, that, um, they was a Mattram show. I think it's a Queensbury show because they said they're listed in pre-sale on their website on Queensbury's website.

Yeah. They'll have options on, uh, I heard a little after him beating Joyce. Yeah. Yeah.

So he is in essence of Queensbury's. That's something they've got a lot of heavy weights. Yeah. They've got a lot of heavy weights.

They've got, well, they've got fury on their website, Queensbury, Wardley Du Bois, it's how it's how it's got a lot. They've got, um, Zhang, Chazora's on their website, Joseph Parker's on their website, Jared Addison's on their website, actually, David Adele, Tony Oka, Joe Joyce, they've got a lot of heavy weights, which is smart because, you know, when his turkey nest was making the run, making his run into boxing, he put a lot of focus on heavy weights and he's helped kind of build, his turkey nest kind of helped build that up. And then, Frank's just gone, yeah, but I've signed them all, we yonk. That's when they take my voice, going forward.

So. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think a time was days with Ben Davidson long term?

At the moment, I see no reason why not. Yeah. It appears to be working when he immediately gets chinted because that's what happens with heavy weights. Yeah.

He'll probably move on. So it really depends on how long it's time I go without getting chinted. Because it'll happen at some stages, can you hear? Oh yeah.

Everybody, especially a heavy weight, everybody gets chinted eventually. Like, Rocky Marceano was, you know, the only top level under for you to heavy weight. But he was, he thought put in something. I know Paul's down on probably listening to this and smashing the place up.

He thought put in for most of his career. We'll see that Paul's down on a very ugly facts in the morning. No facts. Paul's definitely got a facts.

I think he'll weigh it. I mean, he's always a way to shag in a bit. Shag in left and right. Absolute top shaggery is up all at least in the free figures just for this year.

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I can't remember what we were talking about now. But yeah, like you said, heavy weights do eventually get seen. And I suppose at that point, that's when Davidson, because that is kind of been Davidson's thing, isn't it? He takes fighters to a level.

He's good at domestic level and even fringe level, I don't think he's a shit coach at all. But I don't think he's an elite coach. He's a couple of levels below a shame, for example, like he's or Robert Garcia. He's not that.

But he's a good coach to a point. And then eventually, yeah, I think, and a talent was so young as well. You know, he's got another 10-15 year career. Or does he?

Or does he? Yeah, and then eventually he'll move on to somebody else. Yeah, OK, fair enough. What about just all the wilder next week?

Any... Actually, I always got the other card, actually, last night's on the card. I was getting under guard, so let's jump to the end. Where would you like to start?

I didn't see all of it. Because my basic five stick went down. And then I remember, yeah, I remember that I had flab's login for design. I was like, yink straight in there, boy.

So I did miss Liam Davis. I did see what he had to do in an Ezra Taylor. I did see Nathan Hillian, Duran Wahlburn. I missed Brad Paul's in Secure Thompson, but was not surprised at all that Brad Paul's won that fight.

Anyone stand out? Yeah, there was a lot of good stuff there. Michael Boman's junior events back. Alex Murphy and Josh Wahlman's had a really fun one round shootout.

Nice. Brad Paul's was a mile behind and looked as if he was incredibly tired. And then Paul's a right-hand out of nowhere to stop Secure Thompson. It wasn't a particularly gripping fight, but I had great ending.

Yep. Yep. Liam Davis looked good. Which ones did you see again?

I saw Nathan, the one which probably got my attention to my, well, was Hutchinson Taylor. I've purchased someone's a clear winner, especially after that nonsense with Simon Jordan in the week, where Simon Jordan told him that I think you're going to lose. And then Willie Hutchinson said, well, you never box on there for what I listen to any of you. Say, or I think what you're saying is I don't listen to you if you say nice things to me, which is just kind of the modern psyche really, isn't it?

A lot of people in the public, I just cannot handle anything other than you're the best thing ever. It's just how people in the public might tend to be these days. You see it a lot. Yeah.

So that was, but I thought Hutchinson would win that and he did win it in the end. What do you think he does next? Because he was acting like a dickhead after the fight, but he was trying to box for a while title. He's not in that level, is he?

No, no. Like, you know, what will he, it won't happen, but I would like to see him be much go at sea. I felt there's no guilt where we'll first end the fall. I think it would make sense.

Apart from that, like, maybe someone like Hot Rod, who's a good win over Vojdik. Yeah. It only was to, uh, Mirelle, Bitter-Biev, and Marcus Brown, although many people felt he'd be praying in that sixth rounder. Yeah.

That would be sensible. Zach Parker, because many people thought that Zach Parker beat Duatsy last time out. Yeah. I would have, of course, he was seeing William Hutchinson, Zach Parker, is Willie Hutchinson the new hard Brexit, Duatsy?

He loves a domestic fire. He's not as successful as Boatsy. I think Boatsy is one of the most successful hard Brexit fighters in a long time. He, he, and I think Boatsy, I saw him as hard Brexit because he could have left.

He had multiple opportunities to leave the country and Box abroad. And he's like, no, I'm boxing British fighters. This is what I do. I'm hard Brexit, England for the English, getting all out.

Like that's, that's Boatsy. Um, not, perhaps not in politics, but, you know, as a boxer, that's what he was. He wanted them all out, but he wanted to fight all the British guys. But, um, yeah, so I'm not sure he's as hard Brexit as him, but he's, he's you, Kip.

He might not be reformed, but he's definitely you, Kip Hutchinson and that post. Well, he's got the European, so like, again, that would make sense. It would keep his, you kept standing up. So, yeah, it makes sense.

And I was glad that Carl Franton mentioned it on commentary, because there were times that I felt that Willie Hutchinson was actually doing a pretty good impersonation over manual Augustus. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I saw that. Yeah. It was a good shout, wasn't it from Franton? Franton's not bad when he's not commentating on one of his mates.

He's actually all right. I think he's definitely one of the better commentators, but yeah, you could see that. You could definitely see that in spots from Hutchinson. And then down the stretch, you just put it in the bag really.

Taylor, Taylor really should have emptied the tank in the last round. He was down so far. He really should have gone for it, but he just never, I think Hutchinson was just too good for him in the end, which is too good for him. And Taylor, don't think it was a player to fight a guy like Hutchinson, that just boxed a much higher level in the end.

Do you know what it would mean to me? Well, well, a little version of, uh, Joshua and Usek in that you've got a guy that has been boxing his entire life, again, the guy that took it up late, or in late, like it's difficult to put it into that gap. Yeah. Yeah.

And actually, I think we saw that, I think we saw that in the following fight as well, with Hini and Warburton. I don't know what their background, I don't know what Warburton's background is, but that Nathan Hini has always given me a boxer-sizer with a good fanbase, like really good athlete and probably could do a triathlon, but not a good boxer, technically, not tactically, not very good, somehow one of British title dens, or Ben, he had the worst, the biggest night off he could ever see, but really, he does, he does, he does, he does, he just looks like he's done a bit of a boxer size and, but has picked a good, has picked a good entrance song and sells loads of tickets. But Warburton, I thought, did a fucking number on him? I thought from round three onwards, it was his fight.

And Adam Smith and, and, uh, Darren Barker, and then, uh, Carl Francis, it's close, he's like, no, you're just not paying attention, you're just not paying attention. Warburton did a fucking number on him, and I love a Rangy Southport, which is why I enjoyed Sebastian VanDoor last night, but it's not a Rangy Southport, Warburton, but he's a slick Southport and not Ami, a Khan feet, used his feet, well stayed out of range. I thought that was, and he was a naturally smaller man as well, Warburton, you can see the size difference in there. I thought he had, I thought he had, I thought he had, I thought he had a really good performance last night from Warburton.

I thought it was a really good performance, but again, I don't think that Warburton is any good at cheeks. What he was doing was the fundamentals well, like, I'd not convinced Warburton will ever win a British title, he's good enough to challenge Warburton, but I don't think he is any good at cheeks himself, like both Heany and Warburton have that style that doesn't really translate up the levels where they like to just catch shots on arms and gloves, but not fire back off it. Yeah, yeah. So the concern there was with the family, so Heany, that when Warburton was catching things on arms and gloves, and the fans are going crazy that the judges could award the work way of Heany and I think that some of those punches were landing, but Heany's just a guy that doesn't have it.

Like, even at his waist, he wasn't great, like, he was always a bit stiff and he was always a bit straight up and down. Yeah. But all those things were exacerbated, looked like a game just couldn't quite pull the trigger anymore. Yeah.

And he was in those opening rings, there wasn't much. And he's looked at that for a while. Brad Paul's beat in the first time, but he got a draw. Brad Paul stops in the second time.

I don't know what the scores were, going into that final round, so he stops him in the final round. But Brad Paul's beat him twice. Then he lost again, but he ended up getting changed to a no contest. He got stopped in the and I thought that was that then for him, but then he got changed to a no contest.

That tells him mentally when it weren't me, the geezer was juiced up. And then he, you know, he's had an eight round, he's won an eight rounder and he's managed to get back in again, but with a guy that's not great, but pretty well scored. And like you said, does the basics right, does the fundamentals right? And I thought the scores were about right, 97, 93 twice, 98, 92.

I thought they were fine. Like, I thought seven three was about right in the end. I thought, he knew what I won the first two. You might have won down one of the middle rounds, but for for Warburton, Warburton, you know, bossed it really.

Doesn't Denzel Bentley have a, what card is he fighting on? Is he fighting next weekend? He's fighting next weekend. What do we know about the geezer he's fighting?

Angry Sylvestera. It's a dangerous fight for Denzel Bentley. Interim World title? Yeah, yeah, because a little of you are allowing you to keep his title.

But if you go and watch Sylvestera's fight with Caesar, Matty, and Tavia from a couple of years back, great fun. That was on the undercard or Verazalea, Vintimzoo. I think you watched it at the time. It was a great action fight.

It's certainly a winnable fight for Denzel Bentley and the best Denzel Bentley turns up. Yeah. Wouldn't that be? But he's also hot and cold.

Yeah. I feel like he has a box right. So, oh my god. He has a box since he won the British and European title back in 2024.

Yeah. Well, I think first things first, he needs to make weight. I think that's the first thing is that he's got to make weight because he hasn't done it for a year and a half nearly. And if he does that, that's gonna be the first hurdle out of the weight.

And then he's got, you know, a guy in front of him. Yeah, he's won four of his last six. So he's not amazing, but it's a tough night and a guy that's been a lot more, you know, been a lot more active than him, although he hasn't boxed for a year as well, nearly. Yeah.

Yeah. It's gonna be an interesting one is Bentley. I remember the Dajini fight. He was all he was awful that night, but it was just a British level.

He just knocks everybody out, doesn't he? And I think he just thought I was just knocking me out. And then when that didn't happen, he just kind of just loud himself to get outworked. And I think that's the risk with Bentley is if he doesn't knock you out, then he can just he can be outworked.

He wasn't by Brad Paul was he ended up respecting Brad Paul was enough to get through it. But We're waiting for you to be as well. Yeah, he can get like it doesn't he? If he doesn't, if he doesn't get the stoppage, there's not much more to him.

And I love Bentley. I love a puncher at the best at never. I love fires like that. But he can he can have he can just like you said, blow hot and cold.

Do you think he'll do enough though for this? I wouldn't be surprised if he gave tonight catching early in okay, but if he doesn't, so either I can punch a little bit again at a lower level. I don't know if it will translate up the levels, but the only indication is that in the biggest way it was like against the young big Bentley putting a good choice. Yeah.

So hopefully the internet will be enough to spur a big performance of Denzel Bentley because a talented guy, but a guy who lets rain slip by sometimes waiting for a big shot that sometimes just doesn't come for him. Yeah, that's it. That's it with him. Yeah.

If he lets himself drift, then then I'd be a bit worried. But I think he's yeah, I think he might be right for a guy that you know, he's fighting someone else that's you know, perhaps not been very active. And he's good enough where if he can land, he can get him out of there and then he's into a world champion. And then and then you just don't know what's going to happen with Yannabek.

You don't know if he's they they'll be able to allow him to be champion in six months. They might think it's not bollocks of this. We can't have back my go. I'm going to super middle.