Frozen lasagna medium power 15 minutes sounds like oh Joe time let's play I 23rd of the 26 these deals are so appealing like porcelain's for steaming whoa did I just sing soprano I think I'm breaking into song I think I want to say is you lot are so bloody lucky this is down from brother Bell this is episode with a quick 45.5 it's like a fourth podcast we've done in about 10 days and I am joined by Paul Zenon once again he's wearing a lovely pair of trainers I have to say and we've just come out of the screening for I am Duran at Universal Studios massive thank you to them for a finest festival and fortsball on the film you've basically got the cream of crop in terms of some of the best fighters that have ever been in a boxing ring and also some of the best Hollywood actors that have ever portrayed boxes with a ring and then when you think it couldn't get any better you start getting the likes of General Noriega son you appear and they're actually talking and I mean it was just they were showing clips of him but then when he popped up on the screen you thought wow okay you know they've really gone to town in terms of the research there it's a it blew me way to be honest I've read the book I am Duran this is shed so much more light because obviously the autobrography is all out of a better Duran's mouth this you've got the likes of Sugar Ray Leonard Marvin Hagler Mike Tyson Aaron Barkley and you get a sort of rare inside you're shining a torch into a few dark corners a lot of people didn't know so yeah absolutely bring an hour and a half out like it's 10 minutes yeah it really did it really it was a fantastic world like you said who's who of boxing people I've not always been his biggest fan but Larry Merchant it was great to have Larry Merchant in that film because he's 175 years old he's been around forever he probably saw Jack Johnson win the World Heavyweight title and for him to be in it added that credibility to it not that it needed much it had everyone anyway but just a sprinkle Larry Merchant on top of it just added that little bit more credibility you knew he was there you knew he witnessed it he knew his boxing and don King as well don King sound great he sounded just like he did the 90s you know what you mentioned in 90s there in terms of age don King Larry Merchant and Bob Arum pretty much knocking on T.H. which is incredible when you listen to him you're thinking wow you know the death of experience that these guys got you know in boxing and promotions is phenomenal when you hear don King trading off against Bob Arum in fact when they're open about their relationship and saying how they actually helped to progress boxing promotions between rivalry rivalry they had it's incredible stuff that you've kind of forgotten in the past me forget Eddie Herndon Frank Warren this was a hundred weeks higher than that it was absolutely phenomenal and the way it's presented on screen in its little snippets is absolutely mouthful and there's a lot of stuff in this movie which you're gonna want to go way off was jump onto Google watch a load of fights again find out more about the history of Panama the dictatorship everything it's it was almost to an extent in some respects it's like an hour and a half trailer because it had so much information there but it also gave you so many tasters you just you're intrigued to the next level as soon as I came out then thinking okay I read the biography now I need to read the autobiography and the same as what you've just said I want to go I want to come out here want to go home I want to get on YouTube or get on wherever I want to watch more fights I want to watch more about about Robert O'Joran and his career and go into all the all the fights perhaps people don't know about there's one of the main focal points of the film was Ray Leonard was Ray Leonard and they're in particular first and their second fights how do you feel how well do you feel that they covered those again you know that literally just touched upon it you could have a documentary purely about the you know the Duran Leonard one and so literally you could you could fill a two-hour film and that going behind the scenes in terms of their preparations of training the other psychological warfare involved in number two I mean Duran kind of did the unthinkable against the Golden Boy in in the first one and it was purely to do with a man who had been born into an environment of of hate and disruption and aggression and someone who you know started off his career his first paycheck into the professional ranks which is into the hundreds of thousands of dollars you know these days like you're talking to millions for your very first paycheck the Golden Boy won the gold medal in the 1976 Olympics versus the guy who was fighting in the barrio you know stinging mangoes and sending them across the Panama Canal you know it's two totally different stories but how they ended up by having a scrap in there you know without sort of revealing too much you can sort of see the movie but it's interesting how Leonard's mindset had to be adjusted for the second one because he realized if he fought toe to toe with Duran a thousand times he would lose one thousand times and then what he did in the second one and how it came about is fairly self-explanatory so it would be interesting to know if perhaps Leonard had maybe sort of tried to mix it a little bit showbo in a little bit of toe how that would have panned out probably would have gone more in sort of Duran Duran's flavor the reality is the best we saw from then was probably in that first fight sugar I probably could have used his footwork a bit more used his jab bit more but that fight probably helped him when he went in with one of my destructive fights later on in his career when he took five years off and came back against Marvis Marvyn Hagler in 1987 and he probably went in there thinking this is Duran all over again but an even bigger version and that was it so yeah these guys between him it was also nice to see the sort of I guess the camaraderie special friendship between Leonard and Duran that took towards the end as well and you know that he sort of broached as a thing and in your autobiography you read about Duran and he comes across as quite a harsh character almost sometimes unpalatable whereas in this a lot of people are saying what incredible guy is and I was saying I think somewhere between you there's a common ground you know you can't have to make your own mind up but certainly in the film you know he comes across as this sort of lovable guy who can walk around Panama and do exactly as he wants to not be questioned. I think my I don't know I think I'll go to do it I think my favorite story in the film is where Ricky Hatton Ricky Hatton's in the film and he says I went to Panama to to meet Robert Duran and Robert Duran he wasn't waiting outside in a camp he was there in the airport in the gate and just walked for Ricky through customs he didn't have to go through customs he didn't have to go through passport control I thought it was an amazing story it just shows the influence of a pro-Duran has in that country and the scenes you know the scenes of when you know when he won all times and things like that he was loved there's no fight that you can think of like that probably only Muhammad Ali is the only fight I can think of that's comparable in terms of popularity and influence. Yeah absolutely and you know a very valid point of what you said there is in terms of how you know he came back and like in terms of Duran yeah comes back to Panama everyone loves him you know he gets when he beats your embarkly the runway is flooded with people but it also goes to show that boxing you've got very close link with politics in terms of way that people can be with you one second and drop your next when when Duran lost against a Leonard you know everyone was verbally physically abusing people you know in his family you know trying to distract his house somewhere else and the same with politics you know if you're making all the right moves you're everyone's sweetheart the second you don't then you know you're gonna be in deep crap and this this film kind of exemplified that to be honest and I think that with Duran having fought you know what was it 119 fights or something 113 he went through that whole sort of spectrum over four decades of being hated and round and round and round again and as there's a great line in there from spring so later the other the writer where he says we've all had a no mass moment and it's true you know we've all had a quick moment in life and you know using your rocky bubble line it's not as hard as you get hit it's about hard you can get hit and keep coming forward and you know it's a very poignant sort of moment Duran did have to pick himself up off the other canvas of life and move forward and he did so with gusto but you look at the guys face now and you can see you know his genuine content with everything he's done his life probably a lot more than some of the other fights can have he's he's is record a fight in over four decades or something incredibly special but it's the people he mixed with I mean you know the best for the best those four Duran Haglet Leonard and Hearns I mean at four prolific fighters beat the hell out of each other and we're struggling at the moment to get three fantastic heavyweights on a fight each other instead we've got the likes of Tyson very fighting Schwartz who yeah we've got looking up on box right this is form we got Deontay Wild Fine against Brazil yeah a little bit more well known simply because he fought against Joshua and who else we've got is an an antony Joshua against Joshua against Ruiz, Jr.
now and you know again you know as a result of a miller not being a bit of a bad boy there but how you got these three they're kind of they just you know sort out some sort of happy medium and you know maybe one of them can take a hundred million less or something you know I don't know it's just annoying you see in those days they were getting paid pittance and they went and pitted themselves against the best of the best I think that's all there is a line in the film it's where they say they didn't have to be told to fight each other they wanted to fight each other those four men in particular wanted to fight each other and you're absolutely right you know it's one of one of my bug-basing in modern boxing is where fighters talk about percentages and they want to know what their opponents getting instead of just being happy with I'm getting paid ten million dollars to have a boxing match it's well how much is he getting and that's something that's always really really annoyed me about you know modern boxing today is counting another man's money it's something I just don't agree with life let alone in boxing and we were talking about politics and politics is a theme that that flows throughout the film doesn't it there was there's there's the story about the Panama Canal and how you know the u.s. built the canal and then there was and then Panama wanted to take it back and you know how there was so much progress in the country and then they would talk about you know General Noriega and how he had a relationship with America as he was playing both sides he was playing both sides he had a relationship with America but at the same time had a relationship with it with the cartels in Colombia it was something that it was a theme that ran throughout the film wasn't it yeah definitely and again when you look at the other side you had the upstanding Americans in the clean country and the other bush there at the front you know behind the scenes there's a lot of crooked stuff going on and then you had Panama which were openly sort of like pissed off to a better extent saying oh the minute you've got a massive canal throughout country you know you want to claim it and you know we're not happy about it obviously horns locked and it all kicked off to a better extent you know it was worse than the mill versus looking back in the day so yeah the thing is that I think it's been sort of smoothed over you know three years and whatever else but to the detriment of a lot of lives and a lot of money and a lot of bad memories as well but yeah again the film helps you to highlight that it's certainly worth watching it for an astounded trip on a number of fronts it really is and interesting really well I mean the guys that I directed it produced it made it done a cracking job and I should be interviewing one of them in a couple of weeks time believes off the Panama next week for memory service me and when he comes back and I'd like to speak to him about what it was like to actually sit with a bus for a giorno but some of the stories that weren't featured in the movie what he's like to sit and have a ramen coke with and whatever else you know so yeah where you said you're going to interview where's that gonna be a box in monthly yeah so whether it's the other website or magazine probably most likely website because I want to get that out you know sort of time like nearly as of a third of June date when the other film actually comes out but um it's yeah it's it's it's one of those films that I'd say in a certainly one in a long time it really really pulled me in the last time I was here at the studios Universal was um I think when I watched the notorious um Conner Gregor's life story and that was fantastic and you know it was really well done etc but it was nowhere near his point as there's something you know Conner hasn't lived a life that Roberta has no disrespect to Conner Gregor's living incredible life and you know what he's done and where he came from living off benefits where he's got to know you know hats off to incredible Roberto Duran is just another level of incredible almost an untouchable level of incredible that can't be matched due to the circumstances the era and the fight is he was amongst yeah and then that's that's the thing about you know modern fights they um guys like Conner Gregor and Freud may be able they're always compared to you know stars of the past for him ever mostly with Muhammad Ali guys like Muhammad Ali and Roberto Duran are more than athletes they're more than fighters they're icons they're they're bigger than there's bigger than the sport to an extent in particularly you know the bigger than the sport itself because they become they become so much more than just boxes there's so much more to them than that um you've read though this is based on a book he's autobiography you've read both the hands of Simon this is iam jurran have a favorite um okay so the um the biography by christian jewellery chair which i think came out around 2008 to me research me correct um i like that because i had a few marynich notes in there um which you know incredibly um Roberto didn't actually sort of narrate himself there was things like i remember when he was about 15 or something possibly if he was out with some girl and he goes to um some coffee shop or something like that and these four guys basically went along to go and sort of put his girlfriend and sort of you know and that was it and he sort of said well i'll you know i'll take you outside never fight with her and uh ends up beating the crap out of these sort of four guys who are growing as men about 20 years old and then the police turned up and they never said a single word about who did it because they were purely embarrassed about the fact that it's been beating up by the 15 year old kid and a small one like that um he then started to build up the reputation that was it so i found out it was a lot of little anecdotes so christian really went into detail it's a much more in-depth book as well um but there's something about reading an autobiography where you can feel the voice spinning off the page and that was nice as well because um when you feel Roberta Duran getting angry it genuinely felt like it was you know the page was getting hot and that was it not as much detail in the um autobiography um but certainly worth the read my stesh would be really i'd have a look at both of them yeah i'd probably say go for the biography first and finish off with the autobiography yeah i agree with that i've read the biography um i've not read the autobiography so that's exactly what i'm gonna do i'm gonna get on the war zones or whatever and uh find it um a lot of a couple of things i wanted to talk about um a few years ago espn did a no mass documentary fake for fair don't you saw that one paul um i don't know how you feel about that one that one he came across very guarded whereas in this film you can see he's very much more open and you in particular when they're talking about no mass and then afterwards winning a world title afterwards you can see the emotion you can especially join the no mass you can see the emotion you see his lip go a little bit um and you can see he's in a far better place now even though that film was only three four five years ago you can see he's in a much more um comfortable place now um did you notice that yeah i mean it's one of those ones where i reverted around i think you know to his last living breath he's never gonna suddenly stand up and go hey um you know i'm quick i'm quick yeah of course i quit no he's just not on his nature it's not gonna be in nature of any fighter um you know straight off of the fight he came up with some bullshit story that he had some cramps and whatever else it was all it was sort of cover um and he said you know he basically admitted he was in a retire as well as well right after that fight niknika were true and um you know slowly slowly i think he's um he's kind of been able to swallow the fat that he sort of did quit in there and now and then you actually hear him sort of you know say the words um you know no mass and being the right context so i um i think it's you know you got to look at this way anyone who quits in the box room at that level is always going to be a tough tough thing you know you're looking at everyone for you know look at him at a moment and that was nowhere near as prolific and he's gonna have that backlash for the rest of his life you know unless he finishes off with some megafit another megafit you get put into and wins it then unfortunately a lot of people are going to remember him for a few days quitting after the low blow to the leg so but um it's what was wasn't the uh the the ideal way to finish that fight for Duran but then he comes back he comes back and he and at the age of 37 and he wins a title against Duran Barkley it wasn't absolute beast at the way you know three three-way well champion and he looked like he was twice the size and and he did the unthinkable which was you know knock him out and he said you don't do that against Duran Barkley it's like sort of saying you know ruis jr going in and and going to going for the knockout against Joshua which for the records would be does so you heard it first so um but um but yeah you know and at the age of 37 as well was just um it was fairy tale stuff but again he had that self-confidence and he also had the whole thing about doing it for his nation he let down Panama the country that supported him when he'd been at the first time was against him so he knew that you only get them back on side the country that he loves ideally was by winning another world title and to do it at a time which was pretty much impossible against a massive fight with that age was uh was near on miraculous i was obviously a lot of the focus of the film is on on the fork is on the four kings and uh four kings being sugar Ray Lenard, Rebo, Duran and Marvin Hagler and Thomas Hearns and rightly so um and you've just spoken about the Iran Barkley fight that's my non four that's pretty much fadgy saying that's not even that it's my favorite Robert Duran fight um the lead right hand couldn't miss it was Flee'd May River esque had a laser on it it was fantastic performance do you have um do you have a favorite Robert Duran fight and in particular do you have a non four kings a favorite fight um 24 against Kempe Cannon I mean I kind of text both the boxes if we can kind of forget about the other logo at the end um which yeah what was you know it wasn't the best way sort of end of fight but I mean going out from literally the first few seconds um as the underdog and beating the hell out of a very seasoned champion you know that people always think oh you know Robert Duran beat Kempe Cannon was a good world champion and he went in there and beat the bigger man the more seasoned man the one with a man with a much better pedigree and he went out there like basically as someone that sort of said to a Bursai Duran this guy's you know got your family held to ransom he's gonna kill them if you don't beat him today and he went out there with everything on you know at stake so that was probably one of my uh most memorable ones and me it's come back to Barkley there you know people forget um I think the fight before that a few fights for that he knocked out Thomas Hearns and you know so he knocked out Tommy Hearns and knocked out Robert Duran in dramatic style you know he absolutely handed that shellacking to him there was no way that Duran was supposed to be Barkley it just absolutely not by stoppage not by the man who stopped the man you know it just wouldn't happen which made even more incredible it's such an amazing performance I watched it not actually that long ago I I was just saying to uh saying to somebody earlier on I've got the ring magazine fight the year collection they used to be able to buy one DVD you better get them off dodgy websites years ago and now you can just if you look you can find them but um yeah I got and I watched that long ago and it was such an amazing performance by Robert Duran it really really is um yeah not so not sure there's much more to say really about this film really um it's yeah it really was a really really good film um if you're not you know if you're fairly new boxing fan you don't know much about Robert Duran um a lot of people kind of describe him as this kind of savage um yes there is that part of him but he's a fantastic fighter great lightweight of all time easily um also very good defensive fighters fantastic head movement fantastic feet just all around great fighter um look look him up read the books watch his fights you know because it truly isn't all time great in a time of that that phrase is thrown around he truly isn't all time great if you're looking for the opinions of boxes you've got the likes of Lennox Lewis and their Sugar Ray Leonard obviously Roberto himself around Barkley Marvin Haglow very rarely so you know joins in these sort of things um Mike Tyson incredible and you know you've got the likes of Robert De Niro in there um Sylvester Stallone in there you know and then you've got the the old boys in there um you know as we mentioned for Larry Larry Merchant, Don King and um and Bob Arum you know it's just absolutely incredible so yeah you've got it in quadrifonic stereo in terms of views opinions and shining torches into dot corners so just just to let you guys everybody know it's out on June the 3rd it's on digital download so iTunes Amazon all that usual kind of stuff and the egg out then watch it because it really is a fantastic film Paul thank you so much uh good to see you again um as always and i'm sure i'll see you soon and i'll see you all you lot soon as well thank you so much take care safe for Ontario means more police and prosecutors making sure my car doesn't get stolen it means building new jails 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