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We're now going to... We're now going to... We're now going to do an interlude that I kind of forced off the other day. We've flapped from the fighting cock.
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I'm not saying anything about the rest of us. We're greeting people on the streets. I'm like, what up? God, that was loud.
I didn't even understand what you're doing. Yeah, so you were quite popular. I had a friend of mine messaged me and said, oh, flaps funny. And I was like, let's get flapped up again.
Right, who is this guy? She's right. She's right. That was a lady.
My DMs are open. I'm in a long, lovely relationship. I will let her and her six foot three boyfriend know ASAP. Is he hot?
No, not really. Not really. I think he's going to ruin a big amount, isn't it? That's true.
I think he wants to take it to the streets. Yeah. I can see you having a scrap. I think you can take him.
He's lovely. So anyway, I thought we'd have this new kind of section on the blow belt where you just get to talk about whatever it is you want to talk about. You can talk about this weekend boxing if you want to talk about any sort of random boxing questions you've got or anything you just want to rent about. There's three things I've got in my mind.
Okay. I want to talk about the Warrion fight. Yeah. I want to talk about Tysomfury and the two things around Tysomfury that I want to talk about.
Okay. And I want to talk about his trainer, Ben Davidson. Okay. All right.
So let's start with the Warrion fight because this is for the first time in my entire life, I've watched the fight live and I've then gone back and re-watched it. And to watch Warrion versus Gallad, it's not that. You're not watching Gae Warr, are you? I'm absolutely not watching that.
It wasn't Pete boxing in any shape or form. But I watched it on the night. And I was so convinced with my own eyes, admittedly I've had quite a lot to drink. I was so convinced that I was seeing one of the biggest day like robberies I've ever seen.
Yeah. That I had to really watch it again. And I was talking to you guys during the fight and you were scoring it more evenly than I was. I wasn't saying you didn't think that Gallad won.
It was just that you said it was anti-analysis and it's closer than what I thought. Well, I was seeing it. So I had to watch it back again. But obviously I haven't at this point heard what you've got to say about the fight.
So just give me your breakdown of what you've got. Okay. I won 15, won 13, which is 7 rounds to 5. To Gallad.
I've got Gallad on the fight. I agree with you on that sense. There was a lot of rounds that were really, really quite close. And I can see why you thought it was white because all every single round, Kid Gallad was moving him around.
He, every time, whenever he was Southport, he completely controlled the pace he controlled where he wanted to go in. He controlled everything in terms of his ring generalship and his defense. The problem with Gallad was that didn't translate into punch output and into effective aggression. So he would land nice, it was single, he'd land nice little jabs.
But he didn't throw combinations, he didn't land because he looked like the more classy a boxer on the night. But that didn't translate into being the shit out of him. So what? I think you can't, you can't, what you just said, what you just said, effective aggression.
You didn't show any kind of effectivity. But you had three or four spells in that fight where you showed effective aggression. Otherwise it was just gliding, walking forward, trying to force the fight. And I'll get you out.
Gallad spoiled the entire contest. That doesn't mean that he didn't win the fight convincingly. Yeah. Did you score the rounds?
I did score the round. I scored it at both times. I scored it eight, two together. Okay, you missed it two rounds there.
So it's eight, four. Sorry, sorry, sorry. He won, I meant because I don't know why I got that. He won 10, he won 10 and 12, right?
Okay, right. And then I watched it again. So then I watched it again today where I hadn't had a drop of alcohol, right? Okay.
And I can definitely see that Warren and I have more success than I thought he did. Okay. So I had, I had it eight, four. Okay.
So one, 16, one, 12. That's only one round difference from me. Yeah. Which is like, like I say, when I watched it again, I could see what you guys were talking about.
When I was, you know, had a few clubs in mind and I was watching it, I got so caught up in my course, I thought that and that work was all over the place. That bias never left my head. Which is a big problem in boxing, I think, when people are watching fighting. They get an idea in their head and the biases are so significant that you're watching the good work of the fight you like and looking at all the bad work of the fight you don't like.
And on top of that, you've got the commentary. Yeah. And I thought Widdle was horrendous when he was calling that work. I think, I think boxing broadcasting is in crisis right now.
And I think, and I used that word intentionally because every single broadcast outfit has a whole bit of a dog in the fight, so to speak. But ESGN coverage of Fury's fight was terrible. It's awful, isn't it? Yeah, terrible.
The Gomochenko fights, the Terrence Crawford fights that ESBN cover, even small things like they constantly call Terrence Crawford Terrence instead of Crawford. It's just those small little things, it's like they know him too well. Yeah, it's like how we might refer to Boris Johnson as Boris, rather than Johnson, like Yay, or Cameron or Blair. No one ever calls Blair when he was in charge of Tony.
No, never called Tony because it's quite a clever thing actually because it makes him seem friendly. You're right. You listen to these fights and depending on the network, they're completely sweet. We're watching it as boxing fans thinking that they should be biased, unbiased.
They should be objective in this thing. They should be, yeah, but they're also on the payroll, the people that fund massive amounts of money into boxing and they're going to want their fighter to keep winning. And then there's that same thing Warren and Gallad, and what was confusing to some degree was that actually, I think they were partial and Warren, the BT callers, partial and Warren and then perhaps needed to be. And I think that was what swayed me somewhat.
But just go back to the fight. I just thought over and over again that if you're gauging a fight purely on how many punches are landed and you know better than me, Callum, how this shit works. Yeah, right. I think that evading punches convincingly should count towards a performance and move into play.
Yeah, but when you're talking about rope-a-dope, why is rope-a-dope such a significant phrase in boxing? So massive phrase. People know exactly what it means. It's evading punches in order to tire out your opponent, which is the same as hitting them in body shots, in my opinion.
Right. So I think I had these ways of not holding footwork and punch evasion was excellent, most of my point. Yeah. I think what the way scoring fights works is effective aggression punches landed are at the A category.
So it's like A and B. So like A categories are more important things are punches landed effective aggression and B categories are defense ring-gen relationship, things like that. So defense is scored. It's just not as scored with as much importance as effective aggression on punches landed.
So that's probably why Galahad's good defense was probably not rewarded as much as you would have liked because he, as I said before, didn't follow it up with landing punches. But it's a bit sick though, isn't it? It's like rewarding aggression that could hurt people and not rewarding defense which saves people. Yeah.
That's the sport we're in. Maybe it's probably a problem. Maybe it's a change of sport. The way they score it.
I thought that was one of the best to ever do it. Yeah. Because he means defensive ability. He may have his entire career, the best ever, probably.
Yeah. I think if you look at me ever, because he was such, and it sounds terrible, he's saying it is, because he was such a huge draw, such a massive draw and the undefeated record was so important to his legacy and to his marketing, it was almost like the judges rewarded that defense more than the average I answered. The judges, yeah, they should. They don't do that across the board.
They don't do that across the board. They don't do that across the board. Anyway, I made some scoring. I had it, I had it 10, so the second time I scored it, I had it four rounds of war and eight to go ahead.
But I had three of those rounds near only possible to score. I don't know why it doesn't happen in boxing more often than they score round even. The pundits often will do it occasionally with it. Yeah, but judges very rarely do it.
I don't know if there's a reason for that. But there are three of those rounds that could have gone either way. By saying it, they could have gone to kick that out and they could have gone to war. I gave all of those rounds to Warrenton.
I had three rounds that were really hard to score. One I gave to Gala had the sick. The third I gave to Warrenton was really hard to score and the ninth I gave to Warrenton was really hard to score. So we could have ended up with a logistic, legitimate 10, 10 rounds.
It sounds like you could have possibly had a draw because there was two. It sounds like you could have probably the tightest, you could have given it with 7-5. That's absolutely tightest. You could have given it.
And if I was more generous with Gala, then I gave one and two as I did on the evening and I watched it. So how had the one judge give it? How did one of them give us a tight play? How did one of these judges give it?
What was it? 16-12 and 16-13. Which had it? 16-13 means there is an even rounding there.
You're also like, I like home town decisions. You've earned it right to be champion, right? The Furnstings for... Warrentings for Frontons.
That performance was incredible. talking up like you know beating Santa Cruz once lost you know convincingly the second time but still he'd beaten them once they should perhaps do a bit of trilogy but Warren's you'd think was a step down and we're gonna find out if they managed to match them to Warren's and Santa Cruz but you think is a step down and I think perhaps at front and maybe took Warren's in a little like or he genuinely used over the hill of only 24 fights which he confused me in anyway but once his performance gets run to him is insane it was incredible Galadin allowing him to to do his work which I admire yeah it's better for the Warren one though better for boxing because Galadin depends what you like but Warren's gonna yeah he's gonna face out of it yeah yeah I'm in fucking so what you got to see so what I think we're agreed that eight rounds to Warren's and was was no any reality I think we agreed on that on me yes I absolutely I mean Mr. Joke yeah yeah I was my fury okay this could be a short conversation okay I'm like I was yeah oh yeah man he was he was incredible against everybody yeah just against the body you know and you didn't know that you know Andy we're he's beat shorts Andy we're he's beat Brazil so it doesn't tell us much about the lay of the land but but what Fury did with a Rants fire you know decent got decent records in 24 lots of knockouts so it's what yeah I think he's up with yeah he was game he was game but but Fury's just he's a bit you just immediately was completely up and you know what 90% of boxes heavyweight boxes on the planet will be out of the debt against Ties and Fury my issue is why is fucking conversation about he's the best heavyweight in a world to keep going on why are we talking about it okay why are we talking about why are we comparing the Yontay wider and Fury and Joshua before why why was it even a discussion after what Fury did to the Yontay world why are we having why is it constantly this conversation about who's the best heavyweight in the world tell me yeah people like to talk about people like to argue about these things this this is our living about who's who's better at fighting or who's better at playing football men's at your stoke yeah well it's it's like Ronaldo and Messi everyone always argue about who's better than always I'm a messies nothing like that one of them's one of them's Ronaldo and a wilder one of them is a name well it's two very different things it's two very different stars isn't it you've got Fury who's fantastic feet fantastic movement and for the majority of the fight outbox wilder but out but the Yontay wilder did the things you remember and that's not the Ties and Fury on his arse twice that's fine that's all right that's fine he did knock him out so he had a couple of moments in 36 minutes of boxing yeah a couple of moments 36 minutes yet a couple of moments throughout the majority throughout the rest Ties and Fury box these head off you know if Ties and Fury had power legitimately if you had proper heavyweight power he would he would he by the end of his career be ranked as one of the best every way to do it yeah I was no I remember recording with you before and saying he'll never be the same Ties and Fury he'll never box again and he's come back and he's he's proved me wrong he looks as good as he ever did and what was really good was how spitefully looked on Saturday wilder don't want that work he does not want it he knows if he gets in the ring with Fury again now he's fit now now he's looking at me doesn't look fit he's got the same point as me but just massive you know he doesn't look it but he's got he's got everything man that guy and in terms of charisma up there with the best but you know up there were the most charismatic boxes to ever do it to us and Fury I think we're we're living in an age of we're able to understand appreciate someone who's gonna be remembered forever in this game while there are good member for his knockout power friend greener and knockout power yeah how do you how do you think for example Ties and Fury would would hang with a prime Linux Lewis it could be by let me know but but it would be an excellent fight Lewis if it's um right the stuff that I've seen you know Lewis versus Batali you know he's he's elite level and I think Tyson is also but Ties and Fury is also but I am I'm just fucking love him man he does not give a shit he took my favorite thing about him in in press press conferences he'll just make sure up and it makes stuff up but yeah not playing the game in any way and he's reached the pinnacle of sport where you look at Anthony Joshua who has played who has played the game in most games you never see and when they are not this is a sport where you can't hide you can't bullshit and eventually you get found out if you're not the real deal as we saw with Joshua Joshua isn't the real deal because he's got people and he really tight on Fury has never lost the fight and has only ever been stiff so you know I'm becoming I don't know quite a lot at the moment right I'm talking here he's becoming the one and I was about to say it's the same pretty close yeah I don't know and his witnessing something and I'm not sure enough people appreciate what we're what we witnessed in terms of boxing and if he gets in the ring ever if he does with Wilder again he's causing yeah I think all of them he calls them all he all rain as long as he wants to take the sports seriously he absolutely has the ability to I think I think like you said in terms of ability there's no argument about who the best heavyweight in the world is Tyson Fury you said the on-take Wilder doesn't want it I have to disagree with you there I think I think the on-take Wilder believes in his power from round once around well and he believes he'll knock any man out I think you'd have taken the rematch I think pretty sure he signed a contract for the rematch it sat with Tyson Fury for I think it was a week I read and he didn't sign it and that's because he wants to make as much money as he can in America before going for that fight again and I don't blame him it's a short career make your money great to see a big crowd of the MGM on Saturday let's be very coming in rocky gear even a good degree to stop that yeah he did a lot he did the whole work it was great and really please now for a long time he was fighting that you know blue water in Ken and he was flying really small crowds and since it's coming back from the depression and all of that the crowds really decide to turn out they're great though you think he looks great like it's really a place skin you know he looks so healthy and like just in bowling around being discussed in flat peaks showing gear up his nose to where he is now you know boxing gets a lot of stick a lot of it and it is a dangerous danger sport but you know look what's done for him and what he's doing for us as boxing fans beautiful you want to talk about Ben Davidson and then I'll ask you one more question so a quick quick quick quick on Ben Davidson what's what's all about he's 26 years old yeah he's got the best heavyweight in the world technically the best heavyweight in the world before you know he got his hand on him and he's also probably technically one of the best actually him or can Elo's best super middleweight and he doesn't get the blood because he's a bit of a wanker doesn't get the the ratings he deserves for me the problem really generous on this he keeps pulling out fights I know me I know he's a quality it's a quality fire yeah it's hard to like share it's just a dumb shit I'm not fan of his not a human being bloody pulling out fights yeah I know I know I know I'm a hundred degree but when he does get in the ring he's quite special I think it's a brilliant fire and I think if he was from Mexico or all the states he would have much more ratings because he's quite down to earth you know he's got that trudor accident and he has horrendous appearance but you call it public public appearance or yes he's not very saleable really but you know this guy I've been doing my sister got he's got he's just walked into the technically most gifted fighters on the planet but what about you I don't even need my understanding the police sorry to me it's a bit patronizing that he's even there yeah I remember before fury came back thinking I think on the podcast I could have appeared each other something because that's kind of the life of the committee oh I am sorry yeah it's Patrick yeah no Joe I can I can get that one but as I see him more and more I actually get more of a shame but we can kind of like about him right who perhaps doesn't have the pedigree as a trainer he's not a grizzled old man but you'd barely enough to ask that is true but shame we can took fighters on yeah how you went to him grows went to him yeah they took quite long whereas Ben Davidson has inherited two gypsies yeah and I think well as well I need who's sorry Isaac well I believe so yeah I'm pretty sure I've been but those yes well yeah he's also very very good he's a very good fire he's a very good like giving fucking get John John McDermott out of retirement yeah well it's funny you say that because a lot of people was you know you've just sat there and just whacked lyrical about fighting a few about how no one's ever beat him well a lot of people would take job at don't be the first fight when I've really started investing in boxing there was a lot of the heavyweight scene in the UK was disgusting yeah John McDermott you had Matt Scalton you had Danny Williams who won very could be incredible next to you I love that I love you spry to love him did I loved him good I screamed myself yeah he is easy still doing fits yeah take care of the kids yeah it's really bloody sad it's really really sad yeah Julius Francis did the same thing yeah the football might I said you actually look at Julius Marcus obviously interviewed Julius Francis a few weeks ago and he actually lost more fights than he won by the time he retired yeah he lost our 12 fights in a row at the end it's just really sad I mean is it because like the great thing about boxing and getting in the ring is that it shows up what's going in and what's going into fights and decisions you're making so while it's sad that you still going on the same with Roger Junior yeah it's sad but then the same token isn't in the same way because depends how you're leaving your life into making I don't know I'll do another question we're gonna talk about this in the second half of the podcast all right have you heard about Pauli Manonargi having a bare knuckle boxing fight what the fuck he's got he's I swear to god he hands are as brittle as a sort of yeah why is it a bare knuckle point I absolutely no idea why he's I guess he wants the attention he wants the money I don't know what do you think about bare knuckle boxing love it you love it you love violence like anything I'll reckon you know do you remember remember Bloodsport no kickboxer I love both of those yeah they put like glue on their hands and then talk it over the last yeah let's up the only coffee that's a pet in sports I've been talking to all of us before but you know about this a million times give all the boxes all of the performance I was in drugs yeah I I was too dangerous to sports to do that do you remember that's what I want from every sorry I don't mean that I'm only going to remember in the hot shot film when he dips the bandages in the gluing and he dips him in M&M's exactly I do remember that and you look at it and you shake his head no gummy face yeah I am a large because of these the hype around the Gregor smile great exactly yeah that and he managed to put himself in that conversation when it was enough to do it in and so it's clear that what drives him is is you know it's a tension yeah and you know there's a boxers you know he's a white or so white Italian to have dreadlocks yeah you know what I thought you know it's just about people eyes on him he's obsessed with shit there's you know there's one thing going in and boxing and his defense was incredible as a boxer that's what gets in the groove he had no power I thought he's a really good technician in the ring you know he's been to be the gatekeeper at World level for so long it means that he's a certain one he's ability to punch people in the face but don't do it by not being up it's fucking stupid I mean it's a stupid sport it should never happen it shouldn't exist in any shape or form people generally hurt and I have no interest in battle when watching that unless it comes up in the group or accidentally see something yeah I could give a shit about it really I agree I agree with you I think it's I just think taking the gloves off makes it makes it more barbaric horrible as well it's horrible enough it's horrible enough yeah I was with the jab zab juda and yeah no I mean that's yeah that's a thing that he's gone on as well I think the box is it's such an extreme way to live your life just to walk away is not easy and the pliers that do it you have to really applaud and it shows something about their upbringing and what surrounds them that they're able to walk away from the sport without going back in you know you're 100% know that George Crozang getting back in the ring yeah I was acting in getting back in the ring yeah luckily they're gonna leave the sport with all their faculties yeah a few quick a few more yeah more than enough to leave but it's life yeah absolutely man and that's what you ultimately want to see because as much as as boxing fans we want to see pliers by each other and people's getting knocked down and you get excited when they do also I don't think anybody loves a sport genuinely wants to see people hurt unless your Tyrone he loves it he sends me women MMA fighters getting knocked out that's what he does on the Sunday yeah that's what gets him going he's sick in the head that way all right no I've been too long I just felt like I've been too long I know you know you're fine you're fine I'm really looking forward to this I think as we go along we're gonna keep talking about more more more weird and wonderful things I think it's gonna be great fun well so the luxury comes into my head during the week I know what to do about boxing and now start writing it and motion your iPhone and start writing those new phones and this is what we're gonna do yeah I'm not doing that come on busy you know come on I'm forgiving you seven quid a month that's big do something for me all right all right nice one take care bye bye hey Ontario come on down to bet MGM casino and see what our newest exclusive the prices right fortune pick has to offer don't without play exciting casino games based on the iconic game show only at bet MGM check out how we've reimagined three of the shows iconic games like Plinko cliffhanger and the big wheel into fun 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