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Is how we're making insurance? More human. Well, episode 50! Welcome!
50 is the Big Five-O! And I'm joined by a flag from the fight cock-how-eater. Oh, good mate! Still recovering.
Go on, give me a second. Yeah, we'll get a bit of a big one. Yeah, I'll get home in time to watch the choice in Athens. That little chunder in the street.
Well, for the train, end up with chunder in the street. I can come back and then go home and totally pass out in front of the TV. I'm walking around and I see someone being sick in the street. It's quite a rare thing you see.
How's it got to that situation? I saw it in full effect on how it happened. Yeah, it just happened. That's it.
That's it. Double gin, man. Tag raised the devil. So, how was your Sunday?
What sport did you take it? Because there was so much going on yesterday. I said it weren't so much. It was cricket.
And then there were two sports. I literally don't give a shit about it. So there was only one choice. Yeah, so sat there watching cricket all day.
I've loved this World Cup so much. I'm not sure what it's supposed to be. I really enjoyed the World Cup, the World Cup, obviously. But this cricket World Cup has just captured me.
Maybe because I worked for myself at home and I was just able to sit in front of the Telly and watch it. But for those of you don't know, it starts at 10.30 and then they play through the entire game. And yesterday they didn't finish still like half past seven at night. And what finish it was incredible.
I like England. World Cup champions in the most dramatic flash impossible. It really was like the first time I've ever, I can remember sitting through the whole game. I like cricket.
I like the ashes. I'm actually going to go to the ashes in September. I bought tickets to go to the Overwatch game. I'm going to watch a day at the ashes and drink double gin.
It's amazing that chumpt during the streak outside the oval. But yeah, I do like cricket. I can't remember the last time I sat through a 50-over match. But it was worth it.
It was worth it. Given up 10 hours of my day for it. It was like a football match or boxing match. We sat through so many boxing fights.
But every now and then you get to kiss the O. Corrale's. And you kind of pay in for that. It's the same as people.
You get so many kneel-kneel drug draws. Or one-wheel drug draws. And then one day you get a five-one or something. It's one of those things about CA is incredible.
What stage to pull that back. Double runs that we had balls left and stokes. Anyway, let's go. It was a brilliant performance.
It was a brilliant performance. It really was. I was watching tennis as well because I really liked Roger Fedra. And he chapped two championship points and lost in the final of the offense.
That was great. That was great drama as well. It was a great time there. It was the weekend started in general for the big card, which was Amé Khan versus former Févé weight champion Billy Dib.
And he refuried against former WBC headweight champion Samuel Preeta. What did you think about that whole thing, Fév? We were talking when it was on. At the time I was incensed.
I was like, I was like, I was going to be harsh. There's a couple of things. Boxing should be staged anywhere in the world because I don't know where it's been demonstrated. It doesn't matter where it is.
People are interested in combat sports and are passionate about it. Because it's so kind of existential and primal. You've seen huge world fights in South Africa, Lewis. You've got rumbles in the jungle, these aren't typical places to stage a boxing event.
As you've seen in the films with about Ali and Forman's fight. They were crazy. Some of them were iconic slogan around Ali came from that. That was Ali born by it.
Any boxing fan around the world knows that. So they can create folklore in another country. It's fine. It's good.
Boxing bums everybody. You've got a good job of it. It's not just a case of piling in the money because you've got the money, you stage an event. And I think overall what I witnessed in Jeddah wasn't, it was a firm boxing fan.
It was people who were kind of, I'm making massive generalizations here. It felt gimmicky. It felt like a novelty factor. And it was a bit smack in the face I think.
And that's not even sort of suggesting that they... I don't know. They didn't care about it. They went re-interboxing.
They didn't respect the sport at all. I think there was a little bit of respect to sport. You know, I made a con and we really did. I appreciate that.
The substitute wasn't it? Yeah. The guy who was fighting was in a car accident. Even the other guy wasn't much of it.
No, he wasn't too much. No. And from cons perspective, you do see a comeback fight against an easy opponent. Or a live opponent, but one that was too small and not in his class bracket really.
And there's obviously issues around con that we can talk about as well. But overall wasn't impressed with Jeddah. There's a couple of things that don't really matter the compare, the audience, singing baby shark. This is wild.
Sammy Pete is riding the ring. He was waiting in the ring for his body to show up. And the competitor, slash entertainer, slash comedian. I don't know what the fuck he was.
He's like singing baby shark. What is that about? I'll get you hang the full time. It shouldn't be a job to come.
I know it was good about a year ago. Baby shark. That irritate me. They had a cameraman that was literally in the ring.
He's feet were under the rope. That was fake. The worst part of being irritated me most. I've been trying to see it for like premium.
The boxing fans would die to be inside of it. We'd spend more than they have in their pocket to be inside of it for a box that they love. Alex is mad about. We're talking about the IP section.
Yeah, exactly. The IP section. This shows me how much they do care about boxing. They had benches.
We were kind of set up. In the domestic scene, you've got a flat outlet around the ring. They had this kind of like ascending bench system. Yes, they did.
That was empty. Every now and then you'll see some bros sit down, pack it in peanuts, and sit down for a bit. And then disappear. This was during the main event.
How much do they care? Really? How much is this stuff in gender about improving the world perception of Saudi Arabia? If they're doing that, then they should leave boxing alone because otherwise they can do it like slot fucking cutting people's hands off or feet off stealing when you're hungry.
Or for vlogging on the ring generalists. Or vlogging a woman who's been raped because they can't prove who the rapist was. So they do a adultery. Don't start bringing our sport over and using it to push your political regime.
That's what I've been in. I'm ashamed of a meicon. I absolutely ashamed of him because I was always a big meicon fan. I love the part he was in.
He's always excited. I thought he doesn't get fair. He doesn't get fair because actually because he's got a brown skin. I think he's a bad leader.
I think that's my opinion. I don't have to expect this. I'm sure it's not. He hasn't said that much more.
He hasn't been that much more out there than Ricky Hatton. Ricky Hatton was considered a global meicon. I was sorry, a meicon has been an incredible fight. It's quite a year against Madonna.
He avoided broken brooks, avoided him probably. He's given us some amazing nights. He's proudly wore the Union flag on his shorts constantly. So I honestly feel like it hasn't had a fair quick and a bit.
But then he goes over to Saudi Arabia, spouting how much he loves the place and it's amazing to be in Jeddah. He's quoted as Lucky Jeddah season and in Salah I will be back again. I love Saudi Arabia. If you say I love Saudi Arabia then you want to go to time for him.
No, because he's doing it because he's got a place of £7 million. Get your money. Don't stop. Don't get their seal of approval to that regime.
I didn't say the same thing about Joe Graves and Kevin Smith last year. But it was different in that they were part of the Super Series which one of the fights had to be in Jeddah because of the money they invested in it. So those guys signed up to the tournament and then they didn't know the final was going to be in Jeddah until just before, like nobody knew where the final was going to be until the semi final had taken place. So, Graves beat U-Bank.
It came from the beat of kickboxer. And then it was announced after all the finals were going to be in Jeddah. So they already signed up. They couldn't have pulled out.
They were probably in suit for their entire pass for the tournament. They've lost their bit of strict. They probably won a district because they've made up an injury of some thought. You can't blame them for not putting them out but then at least they're not backing the fucking Saudi regime.
I've written the Arab news about the fight. I'll let you tell me what you think of this reporting. The first round for the Miikhan, a big hit started with fast punches to the face from Timon Khan. But Khan took action to avoid him and punch him on the cheek.
By the third round the match started to get tougher and Khan looked to the lead hard hitting until he made the knockout over his opponent. He threw in the towel and fourth round. He was throwing the towel. That's amazing.
I wish the boxing article was written like that once a month. One article like that a month that was written in that he was punched to the cheek. He punched the one punch on the cheek. We need one of those.
It's fine because this is clearly someone who doesn't understand boxing writing about it. But in order to be respected as a city that can stage bouts of this magnitude, i.e. it isn't a huge bout but with names like a Miikhan and a fury name as well. And Sam would be here to be fair.
He's had a decent career. Most of the way he wouldn't achieve what he's had. So you've got to shout the right respect and report it in the right way and produce the shows that are respected or respectful of our sport. But that said we've had that similar stuff in the UK.
I remember how you make a show that's been horrible. Absolutely horrible. At the Indigo O2 and the places like that with Michael Venn and Paige on there and fighting plumbers. And the ball shit entertainment.
I hate all that stuff. The worst part is when promoters feel like they have to entertain the club. They're like we like to fight with shit because their card isn't stacked enough. And the other one would have been Warren for Warren and his fight against the good cell beat.
Yeah, they're having the Kaiser Chiefs. Seriously, what pissed up? We're from class English bloke from Leeds. We want to listen to Kaiser Chiefs.
Cool set. Not just these songs. The full set anyway. These little bug bears I had.
You know, this same Arab news called it the fight event of the year. Wow. So yeah let's start off with that. And then the ending to the fury piece of the fight was shambolic.
How he was just a fake detail bug bump into the rest. I just really shot up. I thought he was a bit on me. He was like bloke blowing constantly.
Yeah. It was constantly fouling. He was in terrible shape. He made a bloody the rest nose on the way out.
Probably the best punch he landed on that cheap shot that he landed on Huey on the break. He landed on the break. Yeah, he was in a go. Yeah.
He had more of a go than I expected him to have a go. I didn't expect him to have a go at all. I thought he was just going to get stopped in four rounds and not really doing anything. He did have a go.
He was cheating and fouling the whole time. Yeah, he's a bloody basically. He got paid a lot of money to be out there. Yeah.
On the card, you know, if you're looking as a matchmaker and you're looking to attract names. He's a name. He's a name. He's a name.
But it's easy. It's not. He was not having a trouble with him. But it's a good name.
Yeah. And this is the issue with Fury Fury. He's 25th. Yeah.
And when you turn prior, you turn over very young. You have such a long learning period that you're still at your fight in Samuel Peter on your 25th fight, whereas if you're genuinely well-class, you're fighting him 11 or 12. Yeah, it was his 25th fight. Yeah.
I said, oh, he's so dull. The thing is with Fury Fury is he should be boxing at British level. He should be boxing at domestic level. That's about.
He's probably above domestic level, but he would have really good fights there. Yeah. He won the British title. He beat Sam Saxon.
He won the British title. He knocked him out on the fifth round. He looked great. And afterwards it was like, okay, you've got Joe Joyce has just won the Commonwealth title.
Do you want to fight Joe Joyce? No, I don't. He bends the bell off straightaway and he goes and fights. He's like a poodle and loses.
And now he's saying, oh, I walked back into the domestic scene. He was like, well, he was in here and then he'd been the bell off. He was just like, you've got to do it on your own now, mate, because he's a fan. Yeah, I don't see, you know, I don't, he's with Mick Hennessy.
So he's kind of almost like a free agent in a way because there's no beef with Frank Warren. There's no beef with Eddie Hearn. He's not signed to any one of those guys. He's kind of free to the boxer who ever likes in a sense.
But he's really dull to watch. He just doesn't have the difference between him and Tyson is Tyson Fury. Is Tyson Fury is a fighter. He can go on the inside.
He'll stick a forearm in your face. He'll wrap you around. He's got a bit spite about him. He doesn't have any spite.
There's not really any spite about him. He's just a nice, pretty little boxer. He's just a tidy... I thought I'd once...
He's back cleared up. He's edge. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't think he ever really had the edge, to be honest. The jokes of Parker fight. It was just a lot of people were really outraged at the decision.
I wasn't at all because he didn't... It was his big chance. It was a one title fight. And he just didn't grab it by the bollocks.
He just... He needed to grab it by the bollocks and show that an outman outman parker. And he got completely dominated by Pulev, who hadn't fought in 18 months. He really should have beat Pulev.
Pulev's had a long career. If he was thinking of doing anything, he should have beat Pulev and he got completely dominated. Yes, he was cut quite early. He was completely dominated by Pulev.
I don't know what you do with it. If you really... He should probably go to time with Frank Moran and mix it up with Dubuire and Gorman and Joyce. That's what he should leave Mckent and see in total Frank Moran.
Yeah, he should. If you can create a quadrant of domestic level fighters that are fighting each other and having DN dust up, it's going life and death a little bit, then you'll learn some money and good money. Create some beef. Like sell yourself.
That's the only thing. I don't remember hearing him speak. No. And Fox now show you a showmanship and you've got to sell yourself.
You've seen the best boxes in the world sometimes, like Andre Ward. I mean, half of what someone who's never nearly talent is only because they're one of them has a big mouth. So, you know, it's a part of it. He's what I said.
Yeah, it's the same thing. He does it the same thing. He does it the same thing. But Pulev channel 5 is no good for him either.
You know, a lot of people talk about Twestrel boxing. Yeah. We want to see more people should be able to see boxing. But production levels are so poor.
Yeah. You know, you think of social media, television, you think of like Lakeside. Yeah. Yeah.
Like Skye was saying to the listeners. I remember Michael Hunter fighting on Skye. Probably Fight Night. Remember that?
Yeah. Like that was what I was going to do. You had to be in, in, to really love the sport to watch that. Yeah, because it was, like I remember in my car, I was at the minute.
Don't ask her. Yeah, yeah. One of them. Like a P-Haul.
Like a benches on the side. Yeah. It's like a so-called. You can see the basketball hoop on the side of the wall, can you?
Exactly. And you can't even, but the thing is, the more the matchroom and hern have taken over and, you know, to be fair, like the small fights you've already seen unless it's your core. You know, there's something in that. You can always find that stuff if you want it if you're a properly hardcore boxer.
But you've kind of been spoiled, I think, somewhat by the production values of BT and Skye. So much so that it's so evident when someone's not doing it as well. And it becomes a bit cheap and a little bit forward back to the kind of more sort of underhanded CD era boxing, at least it feels like a professional sport now rather than, you know, people. Because even when, even when, um, matrim when they put on the NXT cards at your core, they, they do things to make it look like, still like a proper event, but it does have that intimate kind of feeling to it.
Yeah. Yeah. Because it's a small arena, but it doesn't look like a leisure center, even though that's what it is. Yeah.
It looks like a proper boxing card. Yeah. Channel five is, I think when you do something once in a blue moon that you're not doing it all the time, you're not going to be very good at it. No.
Skye did it all the time. BT, I did it fairly regularly. So they're production value is good. And BT, they just set up a studio.
They, they will do in Duke Mackenzie and, and they just add a go at it. They don't, they don't do it often enough to be able to do it at any sort of level. The other problem is there's no appointments of you. So you're, no one watches the channel five.
No. So there's no way of you knowing about it. And they don't have the budget to, to spend huge amounts of promoting a fight. So they're not going to be able to go on Skye where people work boxing.
They're going to be able to go on BT because people watch boxing. And they're not utilizing social media and, um, and YouTube in the right way. So a great way to advertise a website is how, um, kind of it was the bar and gorman fight. Yeah.
Yeah. They would say, like, yeah, it was on there and it's drummed into your brain. And the budget to do that would be no, it's probably as effective. So, um, you know, if you are going to go on channel five or Dave, like, like, hey, David, David, hey, David, hey, yeah.
You've got a packet financially in terms of marketing. Otherwise you got, you're on to a loss leader, really. Yeah. Exactly.
You need to get those casual fans and you're right. The IFL is a good way of getting into the casual fans and YouTube is a good way of advertising it. And it was, yeah, I think overall is, it wasn't great at all. Ami Khan, I, he afterwards he was talking about fighting many Pacquiao.
Um, I don't want Ami Khan to ever get what he wants in terms of fights. He's just, I want to, because he's just making bad, bad, bad, bad making decisions. Just, I just don't ever want him, I don't ever want him to get a many Pacquiao fight or play a man over a fight for him over a fight. Because he just wants to shortcut his way to it.
He just thinks, oh, I'll beat up a featherweight, like a literal featherweight in Billy Dim. Oh, and I'll get a many Pacquiao fights. Like, no, earn it. He doesn't want to earn it.
He's never wanted to, like, since 2013, he's not wanted to really, really earn a fight. He's just wants to kind of shortcut his way into it. He's the fuck up that guy. I beat up that guy and I'm, oh, I'm A Khan and I'll get the fight.
And it really annoys me. And it's like, no, you're not getting many. Well, he's talking about Jeddah, again. And the reason why he's doing that is because he knows that ultimately in boxing money talks and so much money there that he can pay Pacquiao enough to bring him over to Deddah.
Where he deserves a shot or not. Uh, Pacquiao's got a fight, Keith Furman. And he does have a fight, Keith Furman. He's likely going to lose that.
I would probably pick it. That's actually next weekend. Yeah, he's a tough, he thinks Furman's going to win. I do think Furman's going to win.
I do think Furman's going to win. He's a dangerous, dangerous guy. We've seen him in with some of the best in the world already. I know he doesn't fly often enough.
He's got a disgusting hook. Left-hand is beautiful. He's rightly number one, top of the pile. I think at the moment.
I think most people would have Spence, number one. Or some people would have Corfford. I would have Corfford that some people would have Spence as number one at well-suite. Yeah, that's a fair shot.
Just because Furman had two years out. Yeah, no, no, no, no. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's. He's up there because he's probably got the best kind of record.
Because he beat Porter and he beat Danny Garcia. Yeah, it can be a very comfortable as well. I like Furman. I think, you know, he's one of those guys that he's a bit like James DeGail, where he goes life in depth with everybody.
Yeah, every fight's a hard fight. He doesn't have an easy fight. They're always hard. You remember the Louis Collettes so fight?
He got hurt to the body really badly. That's right. And it happened again in his last fight. He's come back against Hosezi Tolo-Pace.
Again, he got hurt to the body really badly. And then that's, then that's to run around the wing for a little while. I don't think many Packy-Els the guy to beat him just because he's not really a body puncher. And I think that's where Furman's quite, can be susceptible.
And Furman just always does enough to stay ahead in a fight. He just, he gets a lead and he always just stays in front. He's a bit like Michael Schruemacher. He just stays in front all the time just about that's enough.
So I think he probably will beat Manny Packy-Els. But I think he's going to be really quite, I think he's going to be, I think he's going to, when it, when it, convincingly again, Packy-Els is a lot of start getting lucky at some point. Like, how is that? 41, yeah.
Yeah, it is amazing. Maybe, you know, maybe too amazing. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.
That's a reason Alex, he's back in his camp. I don't think he is. So I think he's back with Freddie Roach. I'm just saying, I have a summon carry on performing it.
Do you know what I mean? Yeah, you're right. I think, when, when, when, when, when, when, maybe I've looked a little bit old against McGregor. Yeah.
And Packy-Els still doing it. Anyway, my point is, is that, come on doesn't care about Packy-Els. So he would be calling out the winner or, so he doesn't care about, it's not like legacy fighting this now. Right.
He'd be calling out the winner of this fight. Yeah. It's always been about Packy-Els. He's always obsessed with it.
Because I think he probably thinks I was a bit longer than soo's now. Clearly not anyone in the other name. Yeah. And actually, you know, ever since, and he's been great fights like that kind of stuff, but, you know, I don't think he, he ever got over that.
12 rounds against, or by Donna. Yeah. And it was an amazing fight. And how, like, after that I was like, you can't question his shin anymore.
But then, obviously he's been splatted about four, five times since then. And anyway, he's always been brave. He's always been game. He's willing to step up and fight Canelo.
He's willing to just to fight Crawford. But in those fights, certainly in Canelo you saw he couldn't stand up to power at that level. Against Crawford, he was so badly exposed. Yeah.
Which you think, you know, he seemed like Crawford's so good that he made a meircon of a very average basic boxer. Yeah. Yeah. Chin was hanging out and he was lunging and just went and got so frustrated against Crawford that he, I don't know, he's entire, um, schooling the boxing just seemed to fall apart.
Um, yeah. So, you know, meircon is, meircon is a space. He's entitled now to get his money. He doesn't have enough already.
Nah. No, he's just having a million. That's a pretty good pay day, got. I think he comes already.
He's really shrewd of his money. He's not going to be one of his boxes that went, it's going to go broke. You know, he gets huge amounts of money to charity as well, sort of fair play. He's kind of been undone on what kind of stuff.
So moving on to Saturday was the British title, saying it would be a while against Nathan Gorman. Did you get to catch any of that? Yeah. I saw some of it.
Um, I think, um, I've got more to say now than I did afterwards. I didn't know much about Gorman and I'd seen Dewar a couple of times. Um, it's nice to finish. Um, it's clear that Gorman in the end, he'd be able to stand up to Dewar's power.
Yeah. And, you know, Dewar bores me to death. But, you know, he's probably going to do great things and Gorman is what those great things are. I don't know what he's seeing here, but I can't imagine.
I think I'll have a couple of well-cut fights. Well, I'll talk about it maybe to get there and probably get exposed to that level. Um, but it's good. It was good to see that, uh, you know, two guys about loss, getting the ring and, you know, if you're on early stages of career when it can come again, but, um, you know, if you look back it previously when two fights have done the same thing, you look back and think that that was a great thing to happen with boxing like, um, um, gross and the girl, you know, the girl is very, very great.
I mean, great fight. Don't know who won. I still think that he's won, but, you know, it could be called it either way. The guy lost and then went on to win a wild title.
You've been more ghosted, yeah. For a go to jet, you've been consumed as did it. And, both of them went on to win wild titles, more sauce. And, you know, he's, you know, he's, you bank wasn't too badly impacted by that loss.
No, that's a real deal a little bit. And the same will go for them. Don't be Gorman's ever going to quite reach that level based on what I've seen. Yeah.
But, um, yeah, why not? It was good. It was good to watch him. Yeah.
You know, I thought, um, Gorman, he kind of developed, he kind of took Andrew Ruiz Jr's tactics for the Anthony Joshua fight. I thought like, well, I was like leading with the jab. He was a tall man, no longer reach. He's going to jab.
So I think like Gorman was trying to counter Du Bois every time he would come in. And it worked a little bit. But the thing is, Du Bois got a pretty good chin. He gets rattled a little bit.
When he gets hit, he panics a little bit. He doesn't get hurt. He just starts swinging. He just kind of starts swinging.
And that's what kind of happened there. He would, Gorman would try and counter Du Bois and he worked. But then Du Bois had the great fire power. He's got really strong jab.
He's got really good front for, and he's got really good power. And he's only 22. So there's no real rush for him. I think that, you know, he'll probably look to do what Lewis Ritzen did and win the British title outright, you know, defend it three times and he gets to keep winning it for keeps.
He'll do that and try and do it in record time. And then he gets to keep the belt and then he gets to move on to European level. I think there's any rush to moving into a world title fight, really. No, he doesn't need to be fast track like Joyce has been.
But no, no, because Joe Joyce is in his 30s. So, you know, he needs to move along really. So yeah, Du Bois will take his time. He will take his time.
Literally get old. Let's test if you already get old and then he's just sure. Well, those guys will probably get old and move on by the time Du Bois is ready to challenge for a world title. So what have you got?
What have you got there? It'll be a load of Eastern Europeans. They will come along and start to dominate. Start to dominate the heavyweight division.
They're coming. The Eastern Europeans, they're not named yet, but they're coming. And they're going to start dominating it all over again, just like they are heavy. I know, I discussed a lot of the things like that.
I know, I know. I know. I know. I know.
They're just the dedication to support the people they're producing. Got to make sure the data testing sort of, yeah. Yeah. Any of that even drive over here.
They were talking about it in Rocky 4. That's how long it will be. No, it's still at it. It's still at it.
It's so funny. But it's all about it. It's all about it. It's all about it in Rocky 4 when they're both training.
And then literally injecting even drive over. We've been injection into these biceps. Literally trains. I'm amazing.
Rocky's chasted chickens and eating eggs and drinking raw eggs and even drive over here. I've always taken straight up injections. I watched a couple of them the other day. Every time I watch Rocky, I love them.
I even enjoyed Rocky 5. I know it's like the people that hate it. It's like easy the worst one on the is. But I just enjoy watching movies about boxing.
I watch them all watch Counter Punch, which is, which is right. I don't know if anyone's seen it. Counter Punch. Sorry, Southport, Southport.
Oh, Southport, I hated that film. Right. I enjoyed it again because it's just about what Southport can do with the Creed films as well, right? The film Counter Punch.
Sorry. He only goes Southport in the latest second of the film. It's one punch of the Southport. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. So anyway, it's a Rocky. But then you watch the boxing in Rocky and it's absolutely garbage, isn't it? No one throws a jab.
It's just got central. He's no jab. It's just winging him in. Every punch lands.
They'd 100 both people. 100% both people. The way they landed. You saw the closest you could see that I've seen in real life boxing, maybe it was more than gay.
Where was that was just standing by the first hook? Yeah. I'm not a jambingy but it was just hooks to the body, hooks to the head. Did you ever see that TV series lights out?
Yeah, I did actually. That is fairly, fairly recent. I said it's probably about 10 years ago. And that was, it was a Showtime series in America and it had a couple of people from the wire in it and I watched all of it and it was about basically about to wash up heavyweight guy that was a contender and ended up coming back to try and win the championship.
And that was okay. If you can get past all the plot holes and all the, because there's a scene where he's about the way in and he's under, he's under the cruise, he's under the cruise rate limit. So he's in the bathroom taking on as much water as he can so he can weigh over the weight limit. But in heavyweight there is no weight limit, you know, the way, way you like.
But in the program he has to weigh more than 14, 4, I think it was, he's done 200 pounds. And he's taking on a guzzling wall from the bathroom sink. Was it, was it that he wanted to make the heavyweight fight, but he was a cruiser? What's happening?
So you can fight as a cruiserweight. You don't have to weigh over 14. You don't have to weigh anything, no. No, it's not like you have to be a minimum.
There's no minimum weight. No, no, no, no, no, that doesn't make sense. But then you guys, those people don't really understand anything. I've come up with genius things.
Let's see how committee use of sport making drink loads of water before he gets in the ring. That's probably the right of sport. Yeah. It was really bad, but it was really bad.
It was what you brought with. It was what you brought lights out. It was, it was, it was, it was, it was an excellent British boxing movie. Drawbone.
Oh yeah. I'm not seeing that. Oh, watch it. It's 2017.
And it's, there's a British boxer, a British fighter called, sorry, a British actor who's called Johnny Harris. Okay. And he plays like a alcoholic kind of washed up boxer who kind of turns his life around by going back into the gym. It's pretty gritty.
You didn't get massively good ratings, but I really enjoyed it as a box of them. Okay. So I think we've really segued into random boxing films. Joyce and Jennings, we did quickly touch over that.
I did see it. Jennings did test, Joyce. He did test him. How far do you think Joe Joyce can go?
Well, I always have a conversation with Mark Butcher. Yeah. I would have been, I think probably when he turned over and he's first quite on a hay cart. And I just thought he didn't look like a seasoned amateur.
He looked quite prodding. Yeah. You know, quite did the basics well, but just, there's no resumptiles that you needed for the, for the program. No kind of flair to his boxing as well.
It was just very industrial, which can get you quite a long money for sure. But I just didn't see much past like British level, maybe European level. Yeah. I think he could reach like a fringe, like a regular title or something, but I think if he came up against an elite heavyweight, a fury, a Joshua R and a resumier, or such a fury, I think it'll be impossibly.
Yeah, definitely. Yeah. No, I mean, that goes about, it goes about, it's going about, I prefer to see what you've got against them, you know, like a good domestic fight, like people are, or, you know, that was mandated by the board. The British board, mandate that fight for the British title and Joe Joyce turned it down.
Yeah, but he's like, he's been paid for those only millions to go into Saudi Arabia. No, not he, if you're a Joe Joyce, it was Joe Joyce. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it was Joe Joyce, he turned it down.
Yeah, of course. Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of these boxes have a plan laid out for them, a roadmap for where they want to go. Yeah. And once something comes up that doesn't fit that plan or makes it more difficult, then sometimes they avoid it.
I think also it's easy for us to kind of talk about these things from outside of the, you know, outside of the ring, like as I've penned it sort of podcasters, we live in, no, we'll Joyce pulled out of that fight, but they're in it. It's a reason for it. It's a reason for it. And mostly it's because they've got a way up danger to reward.
And that's it, yeah. And, you know, if he's not earning huge amounts of money by fighting, you know, fighting domestic level fight, that he's dangerous that he could lose, then some of these rights to turn that down. Now, it doesn't fit in with the kind of warrior going on your shield kind of attitude that most of us want from our boxes. But most of us are not in the ring with them and getting punched in the face of what is a horrendously dangerous sort at times.
So, you know, there's reasons for what you understand, I'm not saying that Joyce isn't going to go on ticker football fights. It's just when the times right, you know, if he gets bad in the domestic scene, that would really bad be beat. Then, yeah, will he ever get that opportunity to fight on a big stage for big money? And it's important that they make the right decisions and that's why matchmakers are so important to the game.
Yeah, that's an interesting way to talk about matchmakers, because a couple of weeks ago, Connor Ben went to 15-0 when he won at your call. I can imagine that making, that his matchmaker has a challenge every single time. What do you think about Connor Ben? I like him.
He's exciting. He's more entertaining than anyone doesn't know. He's really warm and no doubt benefited from the neighbor. I want to talk about that, how he brands himself actually.
I think he's exciting. He's been in great fights already. He's entertaining us. He's willing to take punches, he's only option really, to get in the inside and unleash the explosive power that he does have.
But it doesn't look like a boxer who hasn't had an amateur pedigree. It doesn't box like a season pro. He's like a kid who loves a sprout, which is absolutely fine. But he's not going to get him.
He's going to get in big fights, he's entertaining, but not in the way that most of us have envisioned a season pro career to go. He's making his hellish because he's going to take the tell with anybody. And there are a lot of punches who don't have great records, so he's at a risk every fight he goes. He didn't let that fight against Fafak, he's got the geezer's name, it's like a good guy for him.