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EPISODE · Apr 14, 2026 · 1H 6M

Episode 2 Ambrion AI - AI Governance must be built in, not added on

from Hitchhiker's Guide to AI Governance · host Bruce Mullan

Welcome to "The Hitchhiker’s Guide to AI Governance" — the podcast for anyone trying to make sense of intelligent machines, messy politics, and everything in between. But don’t panic.  Today we speak with John Webb-O'Rourke and Shane McCarthy from Ambrion AI, an Irish intelligence company purpose built for the AI era.  In this lively conversation, John and Shane share their starkly different AI Governance journeys, describe the state of AI governance transition in Ireland and the EU, share their recent AI successes along with some lamentable flaws of well-known AI tools. I found these topics thoroughly interesting:Why you should hire people aged 55+ to lead your AI transition and adoptionWhy you should personally use AI every dayWhy you can't trust any large language model even if the AI says "trust me".How AI tools can now hack into a system better than a human canWhy AI systems and their governance needs to be built together but in parallel with your existing traditional systems (which will eventually be taken over)How agentic AI governance should exactly mimic real world management controlsHow AI capability overhang and AI adoption influences competitive advantageAnd why you can't bring a horse to a Formula 1 race.Resource RecommendationsGarbage in Gospel out - the practitioners workbook for transforming AI governance -  https://www.amazon.com.au/Garbage-Gospel-Out-Practitioners-Transforming-ebook/dp/B0GGM6FRH5 Digital Transformation Agency 42 Statements -  https://www.digital.gov.au/policy/ai/AI-technical-standard Learn more about John and ShaneJohn Webb-O'Rourke on LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/john-webb-o-rourke-219b4315Shane McCarthy on LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/shanemcsocialAmbrion AI website:  https://ambrion.ai/Hitchhiker’s Guide to AI Governance Each episode, we’ll be talking with the people who are actually trying to write, challenge, and implement the rules of AI: policymakers and regulators wrestling with rapidly changing technology, researchers and ethicists asking how to align powerful systems with human values, industry leaders navigating safety, competition, and responsibility, and civil society voices making sure we don’t forget the humans in the loop. Hosted by AI Governance partner, Bruce Mullan, who partners with organisations to help them confidently adopt the Australian AI governance standard.  To learn more about what we do, visit our website: www.aigovernancepartners.com.auIf you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to give us a rating and follow us for future episodes.

Welcome to "The Hitchhiker’s Guide to AI Governance" — the podcast for anyone trying to make sense of intelligent machines, messy politics, and everything in between. But don’t panic.  Today we speak with John Webb-O'Rourke and Shane McCarthy from Ambrion AI, an Irish intelligence company purpose built for the AI era.  In this lively conversation, John and Shane share their starkly different AI Governance journeys, describe the state of AI governance transition in Ireland and the EU, share their recent AI successes along with some lamentable flaws of well-known AI tools. I found these topics thoroughly interesting:Why you should hire people aged 55+ to lead your AI transition and adoptionWhy you should personally use AI every dayWhy you can't trust any large language model even if the AI says "trust me".How AI tools can now hack into a system better than a human canWhy AI systems and their governance needs to be built together but in parallel with your existing traditional systems (which will eventually be taken over)How agentic AI governance should exactly mimic real world management controlsHow AI capability overhang and AI adoption influences competitive advantageAnd why you can't bring a horse to a Formula 1 race.Resource RecommendationsGarbage in Gospel out - the practitioners workbook for transforming AI governance -  https://www.amazon.com.au/Garbage-Gospel-Out-Practitioners-Transforming-ebook/dp/B0GGM6FRH5 Digital Transformation Agency 42 Statements -  https://www.digital.gov.au/policy/ai/AI-technical-standard Learn more about John and ShaneJohn Webb-O'Rourke on LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/john-webb-o-rourke-219b4315Shane McCarthy on LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/shanemcsocialAmbrion AI website:  https://ambrion.ai/Hitchhiker’s Guide to AI Governance Each episode, we’ll be talking with the people who are actually trying to write, challenge, and implement the rules of AI: policymakers and regulators wrestling with rapidly changing technology, researchers and ethicists asking how to align powerful systems with human values, industry leaders navigating safety, competition, and responsibility, and civil society voices making sure we don’t forget the humans in the loop. Hosted by AI Governance partner, Bruce Mullan, who partners with organisations to help them confidently adopt the Australian AI governance standard.  To learn more about what we do, visit our website: www.aigovernancepartners.com.auIf you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to give us a rating and follow us for future episodes.

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