Y', all, check it. We got a special guest with us today. And I'm saying special, and I actually mean special the way the word is used in a definition sense, like special. S, P, E, C, I, L, S.
Besio, there might be a little bit less music than normal. Maybe, maybe. I'm not saying one way or the other. You can click at the right place.
So, you know, you know, we might not clown around as much as we do. Oh, then again, we might. We probably won't. Because today, I guess it's got more wisdom than it's noodle than all y' all combined.
See what I'm saying? So he's a hip hop pioneer in the best sense of the word. I'm talking. I'm not a Muslim, but I cool with them.
Bam. And on and on. I'm talking about. Well, how about you just let them know who you are?
How's that? All right. I go by the unforgettable name of Fred Lynch. Okay, okay, Fred.
It's Fred. Short for Fredworth Frederic. Fred Winfred, Fred Cloud, Fredster. All right, Alfred.
Okay, Fred Berto. There it is. Fred David. That was it.
Fredaniel. Yeah, straight up Fredber. That's what that is, Fredro. Oh, Ooh.
Okay, okay, that's fine. If you don't wanna let us know what your real name is, that's cool. That's cool. No, whatever it is, is what it is.
Can at least tell us a little bit about who Fred lynch is. All right, here we go. I'm from way back, man. We were one of the hip hop pioneers, you know, old school cats that started out in the whole gospel, hip hop, holy hip hop game.
That's the truth. We started way back in the 80s where we had a gospel rap group by the name of Preachers in Disguise. PID for short. No doubt.
So tell us, when did you first ink up a sheet? I wrote my first rap after a year that I got saved. Had to be about 15 years old, about 1981, I want to say. And I just rolled up around just messing around.
What? Even thinking about it was no such thing as Christian rap back then. And it was old school, okay? It was like straight Curtis blow.
It was like. I still remember part of it. How go? It was like, come one, come all, to the best story ever told before.
It's about a man called Jesus Christ, the one who came to give his life. You know, you have to do the voices with it back then, boy. Yeah, that was the first one. Oh, that's cool.
That's cool. When did you record your first song and what song was it? First song I ever recorded was Here We Are in Jesus name. Here we are.
Please tell us what led to the formation of the pioneering gospel rap group pib? We was just cast out on the streets, man. I was a youth pastor at the time, and it was two kids, actually, in my youth group. Barry G was one of them.
And at the time, folks don't even know this, but it was another girl that was in the group. Her name was Adrienne Crowley. We were just a youth outreach program. We would go out on the streets, start rapping and rhyming, and people would start coming in and, you know, rapping was big in our hood.
But Christian rapping, that was unheard of. When they get in close, we start preaching, they start leaving. So we start rhyming again, and they start coming in close. That's the whole concept.
In fact, Barry G kind of coined the name. He said, don't look upon us to idolize. We're just holy ghost, preachers and rap in disguise. And thus, that's where the name came from, Preachers in disguise.
That is what led to PID evolving and becoming preachers. Just growing in hip hop, then developing. We kind of felt that at the point of our growth and our journey, we outgrew the whole preaching in disguise. I mean, a big part of our rap was based on as a true mc, you rap about what you live about, and you just straight open face with it.
So we were like, you know, we preach. This is what we do. So this is what we rap about. Right, right.
Plus, in reality, if you tell them that you're preachers, then you're kind of not in disguise anymore. But I feel you. That was okay. Okay, so what led to you going solo after the Violent Playgrounds record?
A lot of drama. My brother, who was part of the group, officially joined the Nation of Islam, stepped away from Christianity on his journey and all. And at that time, that was just devastating to me. I personally was like, you know what?
Hip hop, rap, whatever, it ain't worth it. I'm really more concerned about my soul and my walk within my faith. And that's kind of where I decided to step away. But that was back in about 94.
I love the mic. It was calling me back. So I decided to go and do a solo joint. I see, I see.
I just decided, you know, I'm just gonna put it down. This is what I believe and what I feel. Oh, for sure, for sure. What do you think?
I'm asking you next, aside from music, what else have you done? Wow. How'd you do that? That's exactly.
That's exactly what I was gonna ask you. That's insane. So what's the answer? Books, ministry, family, etc.
It's been a wonderful, wonderful journey, I gotta say, you know. No doubt. Aside from music, one of the biggest things in my life is my family. Right, right.
Actually, I just celebrated my 18th year anniversary with my wife Deanne Nichelle, who is my best friend. That's what I like to hear. That's what it is. I have two beautiful children, I have a 14 year old girl, I got a teenager man in my house and I have an 11 year old son who is my joy.
Right now I'm kind of doing youth ministry consultant because I've worked with another ministry called Youth Specialties for probably about seven years. Mad shouts to Josh McDowell. Been in ministry for over 35 years and I served for about eight years as his urban ministry coordinator. Nice.
But recently I just wrote my very first book which is exciting to me because I'm a high school dropout. Word. We're gonna have to jump into some heat waves. Probably throw in some vintage lichage.
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For more of the latest hip hop news, reviews and free downloads, visit rapzilla.com, with the Sin Cast. I'm Matt Pelashek, and that's how I roll. All right, now we're gonna get into something I like to call or. All right, so Rockham or KRS1.
Oh, man, well, you know, it depends. You know, like the legendary feats of KRS1. I remember when he threw that big fat kid off the stage that was singing the soft song that kind of like got a Grammy for a hip hop album or something like that. I forgot who he was.
Who was that kid? Trell Cordes, also known as Prisby of PM Dog, you know? Yeah, yeah. Threw him off the stage and grabbed the mic and start rocking.
I mean, if you want to party, you gonna. You'll have some tight beats and you're going to have some fly rounds either way. But if you want to think and sink deep into hip hop, well, you're going to go with Rockham. I think if I was dying, I'm chills that I can't.
King Daddy Kane or Cool G Rap. Cool G. I mean, I love Kane. It's kind of almost the same thing.
Kane is always going to come with some rhymes, but it's always going to be a little bit of comedy. Cool G is going to give you a little bit more taste of reality, too. So, you know, I probably tend to go with Cool G Rap Rakim or Cool G Rap. Oh, man, Gee whiz.
My favorite between these last two. I'm going to go with Rah. I'm going to go with Rakim. Nice.
Nice. You know, it's hard because each one of them got phrases that raised us. Peak. Nice or MC Search.
Peak Nice or MC Search. MC Search. I got to understood the word. Pete Nice said I used to get mad listening to his album because I'm like, what the heck are you talking about?
Get that up off my chest. Never understood. Be nice. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you.
But a syntax is ripping from Deep Space five. He thinks people just stand out. And he's an attorney. Take a cigar out your Mouth then I probably understand what you're saying.
I'm not sure that might be considered light bowler or some nonsense. All right, okay, let me stop cuz Pete will come and find me. Oh, oh, are we back on Pete? I thought we were talking about Tim.
Texas, terrific deal. Pete's not an attorney so I won't worry about it. So moving on. Josh Stone or Christina Aguilera?
I'm thinking I'm going to go with Christina cuz she can pull the soul out when she wants to. I think she got skills. Okay, okay, I see, I see how you do. How about John Gibson or Tim Meyer?
I liked him. I know both of them personally. But I think John really is a white boy that got sold. Let's play a little bit both of them to remind you and then also to help the listeners out.
Tim Miner worked with D Boy, E Rock and several other hip hop artists. Here's a little bit of Tim Minor. That's best. Tim Minor.
And for John Gibson, John Gibson worked with Suit, the chemist hammer and P586. Here's a little bit of John Gibson for you. Okay, Fred, go ahead and answer that last question. John Gibson mine, both of them got so.
But John Gibson, in this opinion, this is my opinion. John Gibson is like that dirty ghetto white boy that just like you'll find him over him somewhere. Tim Miner, you gonna find him at Laguna Beach. He got sold.
But you know, it's that high class hot out. So I'm going with John Gibson. Word. Okay, how about Stevie Wonder or Marvin Gaye?
Okay, you just wrong. See, you're evil. You're evil. Why you gonna try to make me pick between Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gaye?
Doggone it. Ooh wee. It depends on what mood I'm in. You know, if I want to thank.
I'm gonna go with Stevie. Okay, I know, I know you're thinking Marvin Gaye more than thinking. But see, Marvin has some love songs that I still could use to this day. That's true.
It's part of my weaponry. That's the truth, you know. True. I already said true.
Whatever. Stevie got some good stuff too. I mean ribbon in the sky, man. My second year anniversary, I used that song.
And oh my. See, I got this ribbon. I got this red ribbon and put it in our apartment and cook my wife a steak dinner. Oh my.
See, I'm giving you lessons out here. You're young, I'm sure you. And when she came home it was a ribbon in the sky. And that's all.
That's All I'm gonna say, this is a family show. Okay? I guess that's how you make a family. All right.
How about Billy Joel or El Con John? I'm going with Billy. Joss Effect or Fujianin Joss Effects for show. Saturday night live or MADtv or in living Color?
What? I'll be honest, both of them get on my nerves. Right now. I feel sorry for Saturday Night Live and MADtv, man.
Cause I'm like, y' all ain't got nothing hardly funny. You almost laughing at stuff that ain't funny. Cause you wanna laugh so bad, you look at like, 20 minutes and see one funny thing. I'm not sure if I should be offended or if I should just move on to the next question.
So, Benny Hinn or Rick Warren? Benny Hinn or Rick Warren? See, that's what I'm saying. Funny stuff, funny stuff.
No, on the real, I'm just gonna have to go with my man Rick Warren. Why? Because I tend to find myself when it comes to doctrine, you know, holding on to somebody like Rick Warren to just some solid stuff, you know? That hair, it really scares me sometimes, to be honest.
I'm just like, man, you know? Do you have to manufacture a miracle every time to prove what if you know, one miracle is the fact that we just all hear, that's a powerful miracle. Yeah. TD Jakes, RC Sprouls.
I will listen to Bishop. TD Jakes, that joker will make me shout. And then I'll listen to R.C. sproul, because he'll make me think.
So if you can find somewhere in the middle between those two cats, you'll probably find me. And on that note, we're gonna serve up some beef stew. Fred, can you ride with us a little bit longer? Okay.
Nice. Cool. But it's true cuz everybody play the fool sometimes Every man himself in the jungle Fumbling is not permitted so get it right suffer the consequences It's a field road river meets the streets Every day a minute straight is best to stay on your knees for the reply the what, the when, the why and then come back again Lay up the outside is going to head the blinds For a Raiders jacket I can't stack it, Jack it don't add up Was it bad luck for it's a man to get took Had a red light and it's touching what's the matter? My mother broke down her nerve shattered for being batted over and over Pops never told her he never showed her affections except in a bedroom session and I think that's real foul Living On a street called Buck Wild.
You should have checked yourself you're out there now. The hand that provides you not divide. You're the sole controller of a baddest wife's life you triangle trickle back to the back and fell off the track you need to ease back. Yeah, we all running after the lifestyle of the rich rapper and I can't complain I jump on the same train trying to get the dollar signs while I'm in the game Trying to get this poverty line out of my name.
Attacking out the root for the source which it came from Mentality happy with abnormality talks with spotted barriers and carry down through the charity line. So is it a crime if I shine and reach my destiny while I sprint these lines? No. Cause even hell knows that my purpose is beyond something that it's ordained by the divine.
Let me stop swooning around too many brothers in this town Give me a microphone let me show this crowd how I get down I come with it intimidated by undiscrimin the equivalent of catch a breath and my intellect's impeccable to flow more respectable and all these villains are appealing to the masses. I teach classes over radio waves radio play nothing but the real hip hop you listen in the rotation so you will get gut. My name is macho coming from. 29 yards back to my project Whenever the table just muscle up your mind and move that more spit more excellent meditation managed to maintain.
This is the syntax. The storm is full and it's also packed. Got a bunch of CDs and all the soul masks from issue 8 Willy Will CD shows you guys words mean. Quality touch your.
That's my N word. All right, Frederick, tell me how you feel about the whole secular versus sacred Christian artists working with general market artists. The fact that the market is separate, Is that a good thing or bad thing? This is a very broad question.
You can kind of go where you want it with. It's because I respect you. I believe that we're supposed to be salt and light, but you gotta be salt and light in the darkness. Basically, if I can wrap it up, I'd say this.
Do what you were called to do. But make sure you do it all your heart unto the Lord. Because whenever you gonna stand before him, I'm gonna stand before him. I'm trying to do what I know is right.
So whether I'm rapping with my man Ambassador or I get a chance to Rock with KRS1, who was here in town about two months ago, you know, whatever it is, is what it is. I'm gonna try my best to keep integrity and be who I am. And that's what I expect from my brothers and sisters, and that's what I'm gonna push on. Give me your favorite song that you've ever been involved with.
Honestly, I just finished a project. It's called the Script. The Script is the entire book of John translated into rap verse by verse. And my favorite one right now has been John Chapter one, the second half, where John the Baptist looks, and it's behold the Lamb of God.
Okay, okay. Your favorite musical project of all the time, I would say Violet Playgrounds, Without a doubt. We finally got a chance to do production the way we wanted to do it. I mean, that was our biggest fight back in the 80s.
You can imagine you had no Christian producers and, you know, you had Christian record labels that were afraid of sec. And finally with VP with Violin Playgrounds, we got the sound that we were looking for, so it was fun to do. That was a good record with great timing. Who would you say is the biggest influence on you musically?
It would be Parliament, Funko Deli. George Clinton. Yes, indeed. I got a chance back in mid-90s to sit down with him, and that was just like a highlight to see that cat.
All right, favorite show that you watch with your wife? Heroes. We've been on Heroes, man. Oh.
A lot of the early artists doing what you do either walked away from fully hip hop due to issues with their faith, or they just weren't able to stay relevant. How have you been able to stay solid on your game? Rocking it hardcore for so long? I remember I started this thing, man.
I looked at my pastor and he was like, rap hip hop. Because it was back in the 80s, wasn't nobody doing this. And I looked at him and I said, pastor, I'm saved. I'm gonna go into this thing saved.
And I'm come out of it saved. And that's been my whole goal, just to make sure that I'm on my grind when it comes to living out my faith and loving God. Loving my. Whether it's hip hop or whatever, I'm gonna do.
I'm doing what I'm called to do. And so that's why I've been able to be on my game is cause I'm putting God first. If I was out for money, I would take my music hostile. Something that I.
Rapping and killing until you get hostile. But I just want to do the work of the true apostle. If you don't like it, then don't listen. I'M so vision can't take the eating Go home to your own kitchen because all I can give you is me man nothing else and God loved me a lot so I love myself.
The blood that I bleed the air that I breathe is real the mouth that I feed blessings I reap is real the God that I serve he promises word is real Modest deserve demolishing purpose with skill and that's real and real deal relax the conceal we speak like the opposite of kill kill when it sound to make the whole world go wild I wear my heart on my speed so that you know name you're listening to the sin ca. Being the G that you are. I'm a G, right? Considering that, what kind of advice would you give the young weak minded pods that are planning to be big hip hop stars?
Get a life and let hip hop flow from that life. Don't let hip hop be the only life because man it's too much out here. But you know what I'm saying, live life. The ups, the downs, all of it.
And then let hip hop flow from that. Drop it like a heart.