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EPISODE · Jun 15, 2026 · 35 MIN

Episode 8: PDA – It’s Not What You Think

from Behave: The podcast to unlearn behaviour · host Behave The Podcast

In this episode, Erika and Ellie unpack one of the most misunderstood profiles in the neurodiversity space: PDA (Pathological Demand Avoidance / Persistent Drive for Autonomy).We dive into what PDA actually is, why it has so many different names, and what is really happening in the nervous system when everyday expectations feel like genuine threats. We explore why traditional parenting, teaching and support strategies often backfire, and why approaches based on collaboration, flexibility and connection tend to be far more effective.You'll hear us bust some common myths, discuss communication styles that can reduce stress and resistance, and explain why PDA isn't about refusing to cooperate; it's about surviving overwhelming feelings of loss of control.Whether you're a parent, teacher, therapist, support worker, or someone with PDA yourself, this conversation has the potential to completely change how you understand behaviour.This is one we genuinely hope gets shared far and wide. Because when we misunderstand PDA, we often respond in ways that make life harder for everyone involved. But when we understand what's happening beneath the surface, everything starts to make a lot more sense. 💙Learn more about the hosts!!Eleanor Brink - MEd., BCBA, Advanced/Specialist BSPErika Gleeson - OAM, Speaker, Advanced/Specialist BSP

In this episode, Erika and Ellie unpack one of the most misunderstood profiles in the neurodiversity space: PDA (Pathological Demand Avoidance / Persistent Drive for Autonomy).We dive into what PDA actually is, why it has so many different names, and what is really happening in the nervous system when everyday expectations feel like genuine threats. We explore why traditional parenting, teaching and support strategies often backfire, and why approaches based on collaboration, flexibility and connection tend to be far more effective.You'll hear us bust some common myths, discuss communication styles that can reduce stress and resistance, and explain why PDA isn't about refusing to cooperate; it's about surviving overwhelming feelings of loss of control.Whether you're a parent, teacher, therapist, support worker, or someone with PDA yourself, this conversation has the potential to completely change how you understand behaviour.This is one we genuinely hope gets shared far and wide. Because when we misunderstand PDA, we often respond in ways that make life harder for everyone involved. But when we understand what's happening beneath the surface, everything starts to make a lot more sense. 💙Learn more about the hosts!!Eleanor Brink - MEd., BCBA, Advanced/Specialist BSPErika Gleeson - OAM, Speaker, Advanced/Specialist BSP

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