All right, look, answers. There we go. You didn't think I knew that. I mean, I don't know.
You knew Jake was engaged. What? You knew Jake was engaged. Sure.
You congratulated me. You go, congrats. It's not every day, bro. So anyway, the.
What the fuck? If you're a zebra in Africa and you're chilling by murky water, you just don't drink from it. You can never, never know what's under that water. Murky water scares me.
It's actually, it's actually one of my big fears in life. Murky water. Any water where I can't see what's happening. Yeah.
I've always thought about like if somebody would dare me to swim across the Amazon, what'd you do it? If there was like 100k. Have you seen the damage a pack of piranhas can do? That's a no for me, chief.
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What's going on the camera man? What's going on the camera man? What's the things we going wrong? Oh, none of the cameras are on.
None of the cameras are on. Well, looks already sorted. We're talking about the Mercury water. What would you think would be the scariest thing your toe could touch under murky water?
Oh, that's the worst. Like, whoa, have you kicked a fish? When you're swimming in deep water? Yeah.
Like, but what's like the worst thing? What's the worst thing? I mean, you're down there. Like, I'm thinking this a plugged in toaster.
Think about it. Think about it. Your foot slides into the thing and the other rock toaster hits the toast button. All of a sudden you're electrocuted.
Well, that's not scary. That's fatal. And that's that's the terror. It's also highly unlikely.
You say that, but have you not seen under like conversations? Yeah. Have you seen 47 meters down? No.
The Mariana Trench. It's a shark. The Mariana Trench, the deepest. No, no.
You think the Mariana Trench is 47 meters deep? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 47 multimeters.
God dang it. Fuck man. I guess they can have with numbers, bro. We need some help with some stuff.
I think you said was that fucking what? The head of the the Cali Cartel is for the cash show. I was thinking of Ariel Castro, the dude who kidnapped girls in Ohio. I don't fucking there's a cash show somewhere.
Unbelievable. I don't know of things, dude. We need help from a chief economist at something. We need some smart.
That's more house guys. I promise. What else we got going on in the house? Well, today's Friday, right?
Yeah, technically. What days are really? Today's Monday. So what do you guys got planned fucking this weekend or something?
You know me, I'm going to Sweden. I'm a Swedish. I'm a Swedish. What is there in Sweden?
I heard those didn't originate in Sweden. Probably very true. That makes Swedish fish Swedish. Like what?
Yeah, scholars haven't figured that one out yet. Still unsolved. Where did Swedish fish come from? Oh, Sweden.
Who would have seen this? They said Swedish fish come from and it has a Swedish flag that's a Sweden. No, dude. Sweden.
Yeah, yeah. Going there to make some music. You guys know, man. Got a ghost thing my little heart out.
What else is native to Sweden? Like it's got to be some sort of really nice food. Like Copenhagen. Worst brought worst Germany.
Yeah. Type it in. What else is native to Sweden? Some native Swedish.
The lights. Yeah, because I really want to do it. What is a table of Swedish food? Oh, many meat dishes.
Me balls. Oh, Swedish meatballs. The little baby meatballs. Yeah.
And Lingonberry jam. Oh. Fruit soups with high viscosity. Anyone know what viscosity is?
It's a physics term for you? It's a friction. No, it's friction related. Nope.
It's the ability to flow. Like no friction. Like no friction. You could just flow.
But that's the way of the game. Awesome. Make room for basketball tournament tomorrow. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. What? Don't make that face an age. What?
Oh, it's Dylan. Dylan's mad at it. What else is. No, because I was going to do a six transition.
I think I'm coaching one of the teams. Jake and I are very clear. I'm not good enough to play basketball. Yeah, you kind of.
You're right. They're right. They're right. I made no.
We have a basketball hoop in the house. And I've been shooting around and you'll come in on your way upstairs and just airball and hit the fish. I always miss. It's just sad.
And it's like I played basketball and I was younger. when I play and that's one sport I never got like good at. I'm athletic, it's just this. I'm physical bro, I get that rebound, like I want it really bad.
Are you the kid that just fouled out like in like, oh yeah, I was wrestling with him. Let's do it, let's bring out our guests. Here we go. Guys, it's quite possibly the smartest guy in the world.
He's a mathematician and economist and the managing director of P.E.L.T.L. He'll give managing director of P.E.L.T.L. P.E.L.T.L.S. investment firm, it's Eric Weinstein.
Peter, it's because it's a T8 now. And that throws me off. It's a tongue twister. Peter, it's Peter T.E.L.
That's tongue twister for me. Peter T.E.L. Hey, you guys believe like in Reptilians? Reptilians, you're going right into it.
Yeah, oh fuck. Peter T.E.L. is an an anagram for the reptile. Are you serious?
Just think about it from him. Peter T.E.L. is an anagram for the reptile. Now an an anagram is?
A thing that goes down the side with an every first letter of something starts a word. Okay. Is that a student? No, it's not his name.
An anagram. A word of phrase formed by rearranging the letters of another. Peter T.E.L. What does it rearrange to form?
The reptile. Oh fuck. Is that true? Wow.
You know him. Kids, check it out. He's right. So he's like the king.
He's at the top. He's like a trillion over the world. I don't think we should keep talking. He's like a time limit on it.
Well, he's worth $2.5 billion. Gun is what he's doing. And you manage that money? No.
It says you're the here. I'm like thing managing director of P.E.L.L. Capital. Yeah.
So, okay. So for the average person, because I heard you are one of the smartest people in the world. From whom? That guy.
He said you're one of the top five in the world. So, you're listening. This is getting better and better. By the way, this is the most famous microphone in the world.
It really is. And this is actually when we met. He's referring to the famous Riley Reid Deepthroat, when she deep-thirted our impulsive mic. We met for the first time.
You said, you know, I knew you look familiar. And it was actually when you were interviewing David Blaine, I watched him regurgitate a frog. That was awesome. And afterwards you came up to me and I thought, I don't know.
There was some sort of extreme knowledge that I was going to absorb. And you go, Hey, man, I want to tell you something. I was like, Yes, this is it, bro. I'm going to become a better person.
And you go, I actually really appreciate it. You have a Riley Reid on your podcast. I was like, Whoa, whoa, whoa. That was there for that.
So first of all, she came to one of our shows with Sam Harris and Ben Shapiro in San Francisco. She's clearly very interested in psychedelics and atheism and rationality. And I think what's been really interesting for me in talking to her is talking about very different topics, which is the business harassment of her as an independent successful business woman, where she can't effectively perform commerce in the world because she's being harassed by banks or by social platforms. So platforms.
Exactly. And so this is, I think, one of the most important fronts in the free speech arena. We're seeing it people being restricted because of what they're saying politically. We see people being restricted, what they can teach educationally.
And we've forgotten that the erotic arts are traditionally one of the most important battlegrounds for free speech and historically have been so at least since these decisions were made in 1957 and 1973. So she had trouble getting a house. I saw her Instagram source, she was crying on her Instagram story. They had run the credit.
They had run the background. Everything came out perfect because obviously she's got great credit because she makes so much money off premium snapchat. And once they found out who she was, she was unable to get the house once they found out that she was in the bill entertainer. So let's call it financial harassment.
Absolutely. That's what I really appreciated. You guys treated her as a successful business woman. You had a great time, you know, joking around with the fact is that she's well spoken, thoughtful and she's a business woman.
We were all very surprised. What a generous human being with her time and she's been lovely in the conversation. I would say this. We are the most versatile podcast.
I think in the world, undoubtedly, I think that's our shtick. We can have you on and we can have someone who is the exact opposite of you on and we're going to thrive. So listen, I do want you to explain in layman's terms what you do for the average person. Well, so I am a mathematician by training.
I went into mathematics in order to understand the geometry underneath the two main branches of theoretical physics. And with Peter having spent time in finance and it was a hedge fund in New York City with a friend, I try to simply be available in whatever capacity. I mean, he's one of the most brilliant people I've ever met. And I try to be his intellectual jogging partner for whatever the topics are, whether it's philanthropy or an issue in markets or finance or trying to figure out how to fix education.
What have you trying to figure out how to fix education? What else is the big topic? Bernie Sanders made a little announcement last night you may have heard of that he may try to pass a law that forgives all student debt. Yeah, well, what was it 2005 when the student debt became non-dischargeable?
So, you know, you have what does appear and there's one of the reasons that I think it's great hanging out with the younger guys is that we have an intergenerationally extractive situation in which your cohort is viewed as a source of financial wealth for older generations. And the idea was to force you into a college paradigm and make sure that you couldn't get rid of the debt no matter what. And I think this thing is absolutely immoral and that kind of spirit is actually one of the reasons why I voted for Bernie last time around. So you're presumed against the idea of traditional college?
Oh, absolutely not. I mean, I went to a traditional college. I think that it's right for a minority of people. But the idea that you have to sell everybody, if you don't do this, you're inadequate.
I mean, this is preposterous. And it's unethical. It's immoral, but it's a great scam. Oh, yeah, it's been going great for scams.
How would you, I don't know the details behind it, but how would economically you actually forgive $1.6 trillion of debt? With some difficulty. I mean, it's going to be really disruptive and expensive if that debt has to get written off. And there's going to be a clamoring for everybody trying to play musical chairs with the debt and see who gets stuck standing up at the end.
So I don't know how that's going to get unwound. Did you see his idea, his proposal as how that happens? No, taxing Wall Street transactions. So basically there would be a tax on buying and selling securities.
They say Tobin tax. I didn't see that. But is that what it was? Yeah.
So the idea is just going to put some friction speaking of viscosity into the system. And, you know, obviously that's intended in part to stop speculation, to punish people who have been doing very well because they've been rent seeking through finance. And whether or not that is the best means of doing all of this. Let's be honest, we're in a revolutionary mood.
And these proposals, you know, we are years into a revolution that is not acknowledged. How weird is that that we're in something and you're not even allowed to say that we're in revolutionary times. Would you consider where we are right now to be similar to where we were in the late 60s? I think that's the best parallel that it's like 1968 is taking forever in part because it's a low grade revolution.
Like we're not seeing, let's say bombings and murders of a political nature the way we were in the US. We're seeing milkshakings rather than the weather underground. And where you see the violence as a kind of a generalized digital violence where it's pretty dangerous to be online because you're playing with your entire reputation, your reputation is what you need in order to be able to earn a living. And anybody who says the wrong thing, it does the wrong thing according to somebody who's empowered to destroy them, you can become unemployable very quickly.
I think it's because, you know, on social media, everyone does have a voice. I don't think it's just one person who could be empowered to destroy them. I think it is that like collective of people who may feel wronged when it comes to a specific scenario. But I was going to ask you, could you flesh out this revolution you're talking about?
Because I'm hearing you, but I want to know in your eyes what exactly you think this revolution is and what is happening that we haven't addressed or talked about yet. Well, I think before we get to the revolution, we should talk about the weird stasis that just went on the same way for a long time. I think that between 1945, the end of World War II, 1973, there was this period of bizarre prosperity. It was really stable.
You could base your future on it. You can move away from your family and towards a financial solution for most of your life problems. I think I did. I told you on the last podcast, my phone rings in the YouTube video.
You were really headed to a good spot. Let's get back there. Alright, so everything up. What's new?
Well, I made a mistake. I can't believe it. I fucking can't believe it. So you're moving towards financial prosperity.
It's 1970. Yeah, so 1973, there seems to be some sort of very weird thing that happens and growth keeps going up, but like median, male income flatlines for decades. You know, you could say part of that has to do with some issues involving the Arab oil crisis, gold standard, women entering the workforce. And then the third thing is to do with the How do you make all the end?
Like every piece of it? You made a phone. You made a fucking phone. I already did.
I muted the YouTube video. Millen, call me twice. I'm so sorry, Eric. I'm so.
Hey, you got to tell me what's so important that you called me twice on a podcast because we have the smartest guest ever and I've blatantly disrespected him. You've called me twice now, Milton. Okay, I'm sorry, but listen to this. What?
What's coming wrong with now? Okay, that's right. That's right. That's a rap guy.
Thanks. Hey, tell him I said what's up. We want on the podcast. Okay, what's happening Logan?
No, this is a nice to meet you man. This is a weird way that is happening. I'm sweating from being honest. Get back to the podcast, Logan.
He's coming to get us. He's coming to get us. He's coming to you. Come on.
All right. All right. All right. Amazing.
Thanks, Mill. Wow. All right. Bye.
You just stowed upon some excellent vibes. What? This was you. This is your doing.
Oh, man. One other podcast in the world where that would happen. Sometimes around the time that Erick, my eye appeared on teaching Chong, everything changed the economy. It's amazing.
It's incredible. All right. No more. All right.
All right. And then we started lying about everything in order to keep this game going. Think about it. Like a really rich family with a failing family business for a while.
It can kind of take the assets it has and play games to hope that the business recovers. But in essence, that game sort of went from, let's say, 1980 to, I would say, 2008. And then we were in this weird zombie period between 2008, 2016, where we couldn't have new ideas. We just had these old ideas that nobody believed were still true.
And they were like walking the landscape. And then, you know, then you had the Trump anomaly where we find out people are so pissed that they were not going to be able to get the attention and say, no, I'm not. And then the weird thing is that the thing that was supposed to get the message and hear no, I'm not saying that the country is clamoring right now for open borders. I don't think that the country is clamoring right now for, you know, big a tree being normalized against any group.
Black, white, green doesn't matter. Right? But like the idea of, you know, the country is clamoring. It's extremely powerful because I think the left lost the labor unions.
And this is this very weird thing that we think about these social movements. But maybe what really happened is that when Ronald Reagan broke up Paco, the left lost unions and now it needed a replacement. And so it found identity politics over time as a replacement. And so instead of it confronting the fact that families you guys are having trouble in general forming families, it's got a really tough like millennials.
You're saying, yeah, well, because you were writing this stuff. are having trouble in general forming families. It's gotten really tough. Like millennials, you're saying?
Yeah. OK. Well, because you're right. I've been trying to have a kid.
He's working on this. He's working on this. I'm speaking right to his heart. Yeah.
And it's not. I don't think it's mainly because I'm emotionally unavailable. But I feel like it maybe stems from what you're saying. Well, you know, you're in a different position.
But if you're 24, 25, and you want to think about proposing to the amazing gal that you've been dating and you say, hey, I've got a house that cool city you want to live in. How about having a couple of kids with me? Maybe you'll be the breadwinner. Maybe I'll be the breadwinner.
It could be gay. It could be straight. You could switch genders. But you more or less need a breadwinner.
And somebody staying home is a standard division of labor in a house that you can afford in a city you want to be in. And that thing has just moved out of reach. Well, part of it has changed that has made it so hard to have those two people working in tandem to achieve the same. Well, for one thing, you had this thing where people moved away from their family support systems and towards financial support systems.
So you could either have like an unemployment insurance, let's say, or you could have the idea that if somebody's had to work in a family, maybe they're inside the home for a while doing things for the clan and somebody else without earning. But we moved away from family-based systems to financial-based systems because we had the long period of prosperity. And then that kind of easy prosperity seemed to have come to an end. And so in general, our economy doesn't make fantastic sense.
This debt forgiveness. This was an extraction program where older people who are professors and administrators and universities were able to hook up younger people and their futures to a debt machine to transfer wealth from down below to up above. And that's got to end. And whether or not my generation suffered through enough of this the Gen Xers, but it's the silent generation of the baby boomers that really started these games.
And we should be compassionate with them. But on the other hand, we should tell them, no, you're going to have to carry your own weight. You've had a really beautiful run. And in part, you did that by mortgaging the future.
And we're not going to pay for it. That's great. I agree. It absolutely does need to end.
Does it end with us waking up? Us waking up? Is it like a government regulated thing? Something needs to stop at a government level?
Or is it kids waking up? And we can do this any which way you want. I mean, if there were federal mandated retirement ages, we could bring them back and everybody's going, oh my god, that's an imposition on my freedom. And we say, OK, well, how about debt forgiveness?
How about all the student debt is wiped out? Or how about we start looking at some laws that specifically take care of you guys. Maybe my generation just needs to get screwed on both ends. We got screwed by the baby boomers.
I know it sounds more exciting if I phrase it that way. But we call it an Eiffel Tower. Spencer's got these zingers every now and then, man. You do, being politically correct.
Here I am in the valley. You're looking at it. I highly could be coming in any second here. You talk about different policies that need to change.
But the one thing I don't really hear at Tutumatrumu is the need for reform on corporate pandering from special interest groups. How big of a problem do you think? Much time you have. We start with Alex Jones for almost four hours.
Yeah, we talk about this all the time. And I've mentioned this too. Corporate control over Washington DC, in my eyes, is one of the largest problems we've faced as a country. And partisan programming that's happened and not working together as a two-party system.
So how big of a problem is? I grew up thinking it was the problem. And I don't think that's true. In other words, I think that that game got going specifically because there were fundamental changes in the pipeline from science to technology to the general economy.
And that that had to do with some things that were going to change forever within science and its development. Now, what happened as a result is that as you went from privileging the sharpest minds to the sharpest elbows, the sharpest elbows became a problem. But if you successfully redistributed all this wealth and you got rid of all the special deals, we'd still be in a terrible situation. So it's very tempting because they're actual villains.
And I'd love to go after villains and amuse ourselves taking over their fourth homes. If they're parties, that'd be fun. But I don't think that that's going to solve our problems. It's just there are not enough villains and they didn't steal enough of our wealth to make that a viable option.
We have really actually exciting fundamental problems, which is we have to invent really cool stuff. And if you go into an average room now and you ask, is it 1973? How do I know? You say, oh, OK, well, they're the phones.
OK, so track the phones off. Subtract the laptops off. Very quickly, you have no idea except for design issues that you're not in 1973. The world didn't change nearly as much as we were expected.
What are you expecting? Oh, you know? Why doesn't a drone get me my beverage refill? Because I was born and we suck.
Well, we're close. Amazon's sending drones to drop things off. Do you think that's because of the space boom? Like we go to the moon and then now, it's like all of a sudden where we haven't gone.
And one side, no, did we go to the moon? Yeah, we went to the moon. I agree. I was like, god.
It'd probably be harder to fake it than to actually just know that. But in part, the reason we don't do this is because it's kind of a silly, weird thing to a plastic cup and somebody just goes to the faucet. It's almost not worth innovating it. So partially, we had these silly dreams, partially didn't realize how difficult those dreams were.
We're also weirdly out of sequence and things. I bring up the roller board suitcase that you see on all airline flights was developed in 1989 because nobody had figured out how to do wheeled luggage until 1989. And there's nothing about it that's wildly technological. Ben Franklin could have done it and he didn't do it.
Now they have ones that actually follow you. They follow you through the airport. They don't touch them. They just follow you a little.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they make ones you can ride around to?
It's like a little scooters. OK. That's crazy. Still, 1989, you said?
Yeah, there's all sorts of stuff that's lagging. So I've given previously on the Tim Ferriss program, the example of the umbrella. There's no way that the umbrella is in Final Four. It's just an idiot device.
It's there to poke your eyes out to blow up. Everything goes wrong. Everything goes wrong. And one day, it's going to be obvious to us, like, oh my god, the Johnson umbrella.
That was clearly. Wait, why? If you know that the umbrella is not in Final Four, like, do you have any ideas on how we can innovate the umbrella? Absolutely.
What can we do? What can we make the umbrella? Is this the top podcast in the world? It's number one.
It's number one. All right. Logangsters. There we go.
I knew that. Did you? I mean, I don't know. You knew Jake was engaged.
What? You knew Jake was engaged. Sure. You congratulated me.
You go congrats. I was like, what? It's not every day, bro. So anyway, the.
Whoa, what the fuck? So what I was going to say is that all the Logangsters should figure out how this is how I'm going to innovate. This is incredible. I just activate the audience.
Yeah. Get them going. Get them thinking. Next.
What? It's going to work. Can you guys got to do it? Yeah, they're going to do it.
Oh, we'll figure it out. Guys, we'll do it. So design us. Send us your umbrella designs.
Is that what we need? We're using fewer moving pieces. It needs to be safe at eye level. It needs to not blow up in the wind and get destroyed.
It'd be nice if it got, if it was cheap and didn't get a lot. That's crazy. That's crazy. Believe in you.
A little further and have it make toast or something like that, too? Like why are we aiming so low? Why are we aiming so low? You're going to bring in the avocados and control those.
Avocados. It's $20 here in LA. I mean, if you're in LA, it could make it. Exactly.
Exactly. That's crazy. Question on recently, Rogan, we were talking about this, about the UFOs that Bob Lazar exposed. And we were just talking about how this suppression of technology for corporate interests is at play.
I don't know. Have you seen what Bob Lazar stands for and what he's coming out with? No. He's been coming out with for 30 years?
No. So he's claiming that. Listen, I do believe in aliens. Do I believe in aliens?
Have you been on a UFO? You wrote it in the U.S. No. Do you believe in aliens?
Do I believe in aliens? Yeah. Do you think alien technology is being hidden somewhere here in the United States? God, I know.
So it would be awesome. Probably not. You don't think so? Bob Lazar?
So you should check out Bob Lazar. He just put a documentary on Netflix. Long story short, do you think that corporations are holding back technology for profits? Sure.
But not alien technology, probably. I would also say sure. Like how many years ahead are they with the iPhone? Three, right?
So the answer is yes, but there's obviously a strategic output strategy. Is the answer yes? I mean, how far out are they really saying? So they haven't done anything innovative since iPhone.
You know what I'm saying? Three years ago, this is not iPhone. It still looks as if it doesn't say. Yeah.
Well, that's what he's saying. They're holding back like the innovations they could be making because the corporation. Yeah. So why would a corporation hold back their own technology that could improve their system?
Because you can knowingly release a slightly newer update. Oh, plain offs, lessons. That's what I was just saying. It's a Spencer.
Perfect. Yeah. Talk about borders a lot. What border would you set up to keep aliens out?
To keep aliens out. I mean, there would be like a wild laser dome with plasma. That's hard. Hey, Matt.
That's the sharks and stuff. Sharks and the back. It's a flying fly shark. We've seen them.
We have like a defense program. That's kind of what's called Star Wars. Then we have it some sort of laser bound defense program currently. Well, no, it's called Space Force.
No, that's what Trump wants to start. Well, is it easy doing it? Are you making a joke? No, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The Israelis have this iron dome. They're not going to have this iron dome. Okay, so what is that?
Could you explain that? I don't do their sharks, but I can't put it past the Israelis. The iron dome is just their system shooting down rockets that are coming over from all the enemies. Check it out.
All sorts of rockets. Tiny images, maybe subject. Is that really what you guys are worried about? You're worried about alien illegal immigrants taking our jobs?
Like literally from outer space. Yeah. It could really potentially set us back. I'm not sure.
So the strategic defense initiative also called Star Wars defense program is our strategic initiative from Reagan that I believe still is in use today. That is our nuclear missile defense program. That was super controversial in my time. Why?
Why? Because there's always been this question of should we compete with the Russians? Should we, or there was, or should we befriend them and give them the technology? Should we try to have one world government?
Should we try to have a Cold War and mutually shared destruction? Nobody's ever solved the problem rather than locking the atom. What do you mean by that? Well, what is unlocking the atom?
That's why we have nuclear weapons. No. That's when you split the atom. All right.
So we split it first and then we fused it next. This is talking before about the total um, design. The teller at the end of the war, World War II gets this letter from Leo Zillard who I'm going to say, push for the bomb and said, you know, hey, will you sign our letter saying that we have to control this technology? And tell her more or less morally flips in the burden and says, um, you're trying to solve your conscience and I understand what we just did and done and you just don't.
And what's really going on is we've given the world a very thin sliver of hope, which is that war will become unthinkable. And the race now is to make the worst possible weapon so that we will abandon war permanently. And if you think we're going to put the nuclear genie back in the bottle, you just haven't thought about this enough. And we think of teller as a monster, but it's not clear to us that teller isn't the guy who actually intuited the right calculus of preservation in a post nuclear age.
That's a scary thing to think about. Yeah. Now the question is how do we get off this rod? Oh, you're on that wave.
Oh, yeah. There's no, there's no, there's no long term future. You're on must just to say that occupy Mars. Yeah, Mars.
I don't know. Mars buys us a maybe a little bit of time. It's a diversified experiment. You're trying to go.
You're trying to go on a Milky Way. You're trying to go on a Milky Way? Is that hurt? It's only 12 and a half million light years away.
No, 12 and a half. Like I said, it's the most Earth like. It's the exoplanet that they've found so far. Yeah.
Yeah. Do you have to go and be 12 and a half years? How are we going to get off this rock? Well, there are two other rocks to go to more or less.
I mean, we've landed on Titan, but that's not plausible. Plutismuth? By the way, have you seen the picture of the light? Put Titan landing photo.
Titan landing photo. This is the weirdest thing is like we paid for and successfully landed on Titan. Which is one of Saturn's moons, right? Yeah.
And are we looking for the actual? Yeah. No, no, no, no, that's an artist rendering. Go back to that.
That's a great artist. Nice painting. Go down, go down. Do you have one of these?
I have a picture. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. That's the one right to the left. No, you just did it.
Oh, oh, oh. The only one that looks real. No, wait, no, wait, no. Why this isn't the world's most famous photograph?
I actually have to search for it as bizarre. Like, why? We landed on Titan and it we sent back a postcard and nobody cares. It was like the craziest thing.
We did. Well, I'm sorry, but it's just not part of the problem, Eric, is that people don't care about this kind of shit because Jake Paul's engaged, Kardashian's got a new sex day about. No one gives a shit about this stuff. We are going to ride the E-news train directly on the fucking ground.
We are part of this problem. Like, why are we doing this podcast? It's because we care about people. So we have to, we have to, you know, it's a charismatic megafauna.
Nobody cares about saving stuff that isn't as charismatic as a panda bear, right? So what do you do? You need a panda bear to get everything saved. You're telling me we'd send a panda bear to Titan.
That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking seriously. Think about it. We could do this.
Because we feel like a FOMO type like we need to join the panda. But what about this photo? So it's so, I mean, like, yeah, it's remarkable technology wise. We got the postcard back from the one of Saturn's moons.
But like, what about this? It's so great and scream. And we're not going to go to the atmosphere that we successfully landed on this far out. I mean, what about our moon?
Yeah, we did that in the 60. No, we're, this is a lot farther out. We landed on it. Let's take it off.
I understand. My point is that the whole Elon Musk, let's go to Mars thing, is super intriguing because it's not that intriguing, right? Like we know that there's this big, relatively uninteresting planet. Now maybe we'll find some cool stuff on it.
I have no doubt. But we're running out of time and we've only got these two alternate rocks to visit. We're not going to go to Venus. We're not going to go to Mercury.
We're not landing on Pluto. We're not going to Titan. If you think about it, once you've unlocked what I call the twin nuclei problem, the nucleus of the cell. It's a horse problem.