Faith vs. Fear: The Heretic Exposed!

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I am one of your horse arm. And I am the other horse Paul. And tonight is a special night. We're joined by...

How would I describe her? She's called Becky, so that's the name of start with. But she is one of the loveliest and most friendliest people I have come across on the interweb, which sounds strange, but normally the interweb is full of widows and what was. She is one of the friendliest people.

She is one of the most friendliest people. I've met on Instagram as well. She runs a horror in the account of this girl loves horror. I always share her stuff and promote it because she does great reviews.

Her views are similar to mine, which is always great. And she hosts an on-podcast called The Girl and the Gear. It's called The Girl and the Gear movie podcast. I've just dis stumbled over the Gear.

Yes Becky. Thank you for joining us up now, Nerds. Again, you're probably, if you are a part of the community, you will have seen any in-puck because she writes reviews for the Nerds website as well. So I bother with that as well.

Becky, I did warn you before you're coming online as well to be prepared for this. Give us your nerdy credentials. Tell us a little bit about your Nerds self. Nerdy self.

So I'm pretty much a bit of a movie nerd, but mostly horror nerd. I've just kind of grown up with horror. I absolutely loved it. And now my horror collection, my life, physical media, everything, just getting completely out of hand.

We sympathize. So yeah, big horror fan, but yeah, I do like mixing it up and watching most genres of film. I'll give anything to watch. Sometimes you might see the odd review on my page if I really like to film or else it's something I really want to talk about, but it's not horror.

I still kind of sneak in there and hope nobody minds. Those are the horror nerds. They always get a little bit, because yeah, we can have someone on a while ago who was in the horror community and she said she was scared to post stuff about like her the interests because of reactions from people in the horror community or horror nerds like saying, oh, this is a horror video, you can't post that. Again, that shouldn't be like that.

Again, I'm not the best predominantly horror, but it's what you love, what you're nerdy about, what you can talk about. You shouldn't be dictated to. I'll get a high horse. I'll get a high horse about it because I have a lot to say on it, but I'll keep that for another time.

It's your own page. So you can talk about whatever you want. Yes. And thank you so much.

Well, on her page as well. I see a, you're a growth or the last six or even 12 months has been a me as an as well. What's the city of success back? What did you do?

I have absolutely no idea. I know I had one, my clue of sofa clip that I shared of the movie that went a bit viral. I'm just, it just seemed to go up and up and up and I have no idea why. I have lots of people message me asking for advice and if I can help them do it.

And I'm like, I don't know what I do. I'm just, I think my little reviews, it's madness. It's one of those things and all, because Instagram's a weird thing. I know when I posted a video clip of a watch of down that went crazy.

Yeah. See this. Well, again, like it's a weird because everyone, like I said, always ask it. Or what can we do?

Or how to do it? It's like don't. I'm just posting it. Like, yes, I think this week on the Facebook side, I posted a picture of Gizmo.

And the book, it's kind of distressed. That's got four million views on the Facebook page. It's more. It's crazy.

Is that the one what he looks like now? Yes. A bit dead, but well, yeah. We are all at Mercy of the wonderful algorithm.

But yes, we like the song. But one thing I do like about your page as well is the honest reviews. And I'll be honest, I'll still have my idea a little bit and I'll be doing a little bit of reviews from time to time on the movies I watch. Because I think it's a good way of doing it.

I like your reviews because you don't try and be all like overly clever or anything. I get you all just a real person, given an honest opinion. And I think that stands out a lot more to the all these ones that use and the answer reviews, not because you can say a lot. Right.

I want reviews for stuff now. It's great. Oh, that's so lazy. Oh my God.

I wish I had a one hour of comic book review because that would have been so much easier. Yes. So, Sammy, would you like to do the disclaimer? Yes.

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Thank you for toxic behavior. Out of medicine. Yes. And I'm hearing the chat going idiots as well.

Like the ton of things that we have been saying. Hello everyone. Hi. Next up.

All right. And you're for. Here for heritage. Yes.

I have called it. Yeah. I told you agree. I have a tag line and it is only one tag line.

Question. Everything. Just quite apt. So, with we having a lovely guest on the first time.

What did you think of the movie in general? Cause this came out of nowhere. Like it literally was advertised, I think, when I went to cinema, like we got a trailer and it was two weeks later with this film was released. I was like, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how have I not seen anything about this movie?

Especially with you, Grant, basically being this interesting character, shall we see at the start with? Yeah. Yeah. So first of all, watch it twice now, second time just to prepare for this.

But yeah, agreed. I don't remember seeing anything for this. It was just out and I remember people talking about it saying more to praise in Hugh Grant. But yeah, I enjoyed it.

I thought definitely major sync, one to make it sync, which I think is great. I certainly, I mean, I had my opinions on it. I have my opinions on religion, but, and yeah, I just thought it was good. I wasn't, I wasn't such a fan of the ending, like where it went at the time, but watching it this time, and really kind of getting my head around cause there's a lot of talk in this film.

There's a lot of dialogue to take the heavy. And I think more, more again, what they're saying, at the end and explaining it a bit more, it makes sense for it to have gone that way. So I preferred that the second time around. Yeah, no, I totally agree with that.

This is not doing the movie down, but this is a very much, I would say at a home viewing film. That is better, taking in, rather than, like I know in the summer you get the experience, where you take a lot more in, you can take your time with a movie like this, and you watch it at the home. And even like, I wouldn't, not annoy people, but if you're watching about yourself, it is a very good film to pause, to kind of like to try and take in what's just happened or taking the conversation, cause the conversations are so well done, so well, you can get led down different paths, cause that's what I want to do. It's trying to trick you to think the morning thing and push you down the hall and another.

Yeah. I love this movie simply because it didn't follow all the basic horror movie, like, tropes or the rules. It kind of broke the rules. It's like, and this is gonna sound really strange when you're saying this.

The victims in this movie, the two girls, they make zero bad decisions in this movie. Where if you go in a horror movie, they're like, oh, I wouldn't have done that, or I wouldn't have done that. They have done what they can, but they don't make any wrong moves in this movie. It just plays out the way it feels natural.

And you don't normally get that in a horror movie, and that's what kind of took me out by surprise. What about you, Sam? I only watched it, I only finished it about an hour ago, but the funniest part of it is, this isn't the only movie out there that's called Heridic, actually two. And it's a good job, a really good job, because the link broke on the first one, because I was watching the complete wrong film.

Right, okay. Was there any good other one? It was not through as it was English. Right.

And it was horror. I was like, okay, so where's the two? Where's the two people? Because I knew the basic story was two, it didn't give us any genders, it was just two people go to a house and...

Two grand lives there. And yeah, it was not that. It was a priest. Someone had just hung themselves in the priest.

And I was like, okay. Right, where's Marvin's at? What's going on here? Yeah, so I was so happy that the link broke, because then I eventually found the actual one.

And I fell asleep several times, while watching it, so I had to go back to the beginning and watch again. It's been a long day. It had no bearing on the movie whatsoever. It literally had been a really long day, and I was very tired.

And it's... I don't say the question, it gave me any, I wasn't questioning anything. I was more agreeing. And there was a lot of things that you were going to say, and then I was like, oh yeah, I agree with that.

Oh yeah, I totally agree with that. I actually agree with the overall message, the control and power of religion. So questions, I went left with any performances, blown away. Yeah.

Completely blown away. And the two girls were fantastic, but the one with the blonde hair. Sister, Paxton. Sister Paxton, yeah.

She blew my mind because all the way through, you think, and she's really naive, and she's very... At the beginning, when you introduce to her, she comes across as quite vulnerable and gullible, especially when she interacts with the girls. And I was like, I'm so angry for her. Cause she was interacting with them like a person would.

But yeah, you think that vulnerability and that gullibility is like, it's going to hurt her. And it actually doesn't. So when the switch happens in her character, it's such a shock, but it's such a... Fuck yes, moment.

Like I was so happy for her. There was nothing I hated about this film whatsoever. I just wish I didn't fall asleep on the first few. It's interesting when Becky said about the end and though, cause this is...

I think I was at the same point. This was so close to going off the rails. Cause everything was so well done. Everything was so well pierced.

And the end and it could, if it went a little bit further down the route of what I was possibly going to do without going into it straight away. This was so close to like almost like spoiling it with where it went. But Hugh Grant, I think Hugh Grant's performance kind of brought it back. And he's been monologue at the end where they had the...

Almost like the final moment when they're standing off against each other. Kind of like brought it back so then, oh, this is where this movie kind of like held up better. Because if they had someone else in that role, that wouldn't have worked as well. And it's weird though, cause it would want to be like the cast.

The cast is like Hugh Grant, Sophie Thatcher, Chloe East, other me in three. And a really weird cast, Tour for Grace. Tour for Grace. I was like, Tour for Grace at one point, cause I thought he was going to play a bigger part than what he did.

And when he stood at the door, I was like, I'm actually more scared of you than I am of Hugh Grant right now. Like, I don't know where, what's going on with this. It was so pointless. You could have had anybody clear that part.

And it just, okay, someone might look and follow them. All right, how do you talk about Grace? But you don't think that's a genius part of it, cause then the questions, and you think that's going to, there's going to be a mortar to it. And you're always weirding or there's going to be a superhero moment, like a white knight in the moment where he's going to rush in and save the deer.

Don't need it. No, and that's the two girls, like Sister Paxton and Sister Barnes were absolutely beautifully, like performed by the two actresses in this as well. They kind of, you wanted them to be safe. You wanted them to look right.

And again, with them not making them stupid mistakes, like you get in the horror movie, like, oh, I'll be right back, all will split up, or we'll be aggressive in places where you probably wouldn't be aggressive type thing. You kind of got behind them so much more. And you're like, I think, and when like Sister Barnes's, like when her kind of like death or what you think is a death scene happens, it comes throughout the blue and such a shock that you're just like, fuck. I thought I blinked.

I was like, what just happened? Yeah, I was like, how did that happen? I just, I didn't see you coming at all. The girl with the dark hair, I can't remember the names, I'm sorry.

Yes, Sister Barnes. That was Sister Barnes, yeah. The end song, the end credits song. That's her.

Right, all right. Interesting. I listened to the whole thing. It was absolutely beautiful.

That girl's voice is stunning. But yeah, that's her singing that song. Right, she was absolutely brilliant. She played such a great counterpart to a character at first who looks incredibly nervous.

She was asked, she was the strength. And I feel like she, at least yours come up to you. I'm just like, fight your mutters. She, it's almost like you could see her getting the strength from her.

They kind of like, because she said, when she's in, right, okay, question them, question them, like be logical with them. That's something that was said to her earlier on. So she is learning and she is picking up. She is listening.

So I love the character progression of her. I feel like you needed the other one to get her where she needed to be, to figure everything out. I just, I didn't, I didn't walk away with any questions. I did walk away with one.

Why? Why did you grand feel the need? Oh, Mr. Reed, I should say.

Mr. Reed. Mr. Reed.

I feel the need, the need for speed. And yeah, I just wanted the need of the point he was trying to prove. He knew that religion has a form of control. Yeah.

So he knew that already. He'd been in lockdown the roots of religion. He'd gone through every single one that he explains it brilliantly with a monopoly metaphor. But the, just why continue?

Why, what's the point you are trying to make? Power? That was it? I didn't sound that, but it's like you've already proven it.

So what's the next bit? Where are you going to go after that? It's, he's a very intelligent man. That's got issues, shall we say.

Another thing that's put in loosely. That is put in a mildly. But again, but if you talk about any type of like kind of serial killer or monster in that type of like, really, like, why did you do that thing? It's one, because the gun.

And two, it's just like, as I said, a total control thing. And again, anyone who's kind of like out there and like, does horrible things. It's like a reaction and control. And again, like, how powerful and if he's doing the way I talk it from it, the way he's looking, he's trying to find the one true religion, one true God.

He's got this power of life and death or these women. Then he has that power. He's got the power of a God. So it is, so it is more of a serial killer site, your path, like social path, tendencies as opposed to being a man who is looking for an answer because of quite friendly, he already has the answer.

He is just out to torture, like torture, control and kill. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

He's almost like a teacher type role. He's like, I'm going to teach these young women. Like that's essentially, yeah. Yeah, that's the point.

And it doesn't sort of ruin the performance. Again, Hugh Grant, like mesmerizing from the moment you see him at the doorstep. And the glimpses of the sinister kind of going through, like when they haven't like a question and answers, he's been this jolly person kind of talking about religion in a way that is both inviting and controversial at the same time. But and then they're basically trying like work out or trying to like think these basically play in him, but they're at all heavy little slip up or little mannerism that changes has done so well.

It's absolutely terrifying. Yeah. I didn't know which Hugh Grant I was getting. And that's what scared us more than anything.

And I'm not getting four wins. And if you're not an hill guy, I'm not getting the most recent because I feel like Hugh Grant is just always just making some really good, good choices. And I said this. I remember when I said it.

I said it to some point. And I read an interview with him about this and he said he was just he took four months to decide to do this movie because he didn't know where it would be because he's sick of being typecast. He was typecast for such a long time. So he was like, Oh, God, if I start doing horror, is this where I'm going to be, you know, heading down or if I start doing this?

And he's like, no, I need to start taking more chances and I'll just appear off because he is, I was saying before we came on, when you got him in the gentleman, you know exactly what kind of person you deal with, the costume tells you that when you watch him with the D&D, on or on sleeves, again, the costume helps you to know who you're looking at and who you deal with. This is ordinary. He dresses basically. I don't know where he is and it makes him more terrifying.

And the fact that he's torn kind of doesn't change throughout the whole film, apart from his little really, like, scary, like, especially when he's talking about the door mechanisms. Yeah. And he's like, Oh, yeah, they don't open. Like, that's a common thing.

Like, it's just a common thing that my daughter's not open. I have a timer on it. I mean, we should have figured that out by the time he's like, which really annoyed us by the way. Why?

And when he said when they walked in, I noticed it on the second watch, I didn't pick up the first time. But when they first come in, he says, Oh, you know, there's metal in the walls and ceiling, she don't mind, do you? And they're just like, you know, whatever, brush it off. But then like, everybody's like, well, I did tell you that there was metal in your OK, but it was just things like that.

The way he's like, I mean, he's not like, he didn't like. He's not. That's a terrifying part of it. He didn't lie at all.

I'll argue that here because he lies about his wife. Why? Because I was a kind of woman there. You just, you know, I mean, it's a little white lie that she's not his wife, but there was no there was no pie being being cooked.

There was the moments, the moment set a few things to see on this movie, even though it isn't, I thought it was going to be a very moment-centric movie. Yeah. And it really isn't. It focuses on all different aspects of religion and just it just so happens that the moments are the two main vocals and the Mormon Church.

I didn't like it. Did I like anything though? But you can't really guess. I can't go off that one.

I don't want to start because I was thinking that I was taking off or have people not going outdoors. And the crazy crazy crazy. And the basically just said that they didn't like the idea. They said it was damaging to women.

That's what they were saying. It was basically because it was physical violence against women. That's what they absolutely hated about it. And then people questioned because they kept mentioning they needed a chaperone.

And it is true what they were saying is true. Mormons do need chaperones. They need to have something, they can't do anything on their own. A certain level in membership.

They have to be with somebody. And the person they are with also has to be with somebody, especially if it's a female, they need to prefer another female there or a male, another female vice versa when it comes to the males as well. So why did Chris did not have one? Because Toth Grace is a senior member of the Mormon church.

He doesn't know one. Yeah, he's an elder. He doesn't need one. So coming back to the movie, that's the question.

I know you pretty much give my point of view for this bit. Do you see this as a religious horror? Like in the form of like say the woman or like the existence and stuff like that? Or do you see this as a serial killer?

Like type of horror from Sago Kill. For me, definitely more psychological. Although a lot of the talk and most of the film is about religion. So it's more as a psychological because of the way it makes them think.

And the way he approaches things, the way he puts things to the girls to make them question things like the door. I remember when we first watched it and they had to choose between the doors, I kept saying to my boyfriend, like what if one of them is just a way out? Like but they're questioning. Like because he's saying the way out is this way.

What if he's just telling the truth? And it turned out that he wasn't at all. But I'll put that question in it. And just like questioning everything.

And the other side of it, more psychological for me, I think. I agree. I'm more than a psychological thriller, right? And it is, I love religious movies.

Like the two of my favorite movies all the time is The Ormond and The S-Assist. I don't see that religion is just one counterpart to it. It's just the opportunity to be able to be creative with your killings basically. And so I don't see it as a religious style movie.

Because no, no, I totally get that. And because there was a point where I thought the word would go down that route when they were in the picture and down the cellar type thing. And we got the magic act. Which I know it sounds really blasey at describing that.

Because in essence, that's what it was. It's like some of the more numerous get-you-look-one way and do the illusion here. But when he was trying to convince him that Emmerical had happened when this dishevels... I was going to go.

I was going to go. I was going to go. I was going to go. Really?

Again, I'm goable. Well, it's just an interesting tear. Because again, I'm not saying this is a perfect movie or like the same thing. I enjoyed it heavily.

There was elements to the movie where when I watched it back the second time, I was kind of like this bit, again, we can use movie magic. But how they'd they're done the switch and the beets. Like, you would have won the go upstairs. Moving the table like an understand.

But how did they get the lay of mud over the gear to hide it the way it did? Because that would have showed signs of moving. Movie magic. Just a minute.

Tell me if you can't explain it, if you can't explain it, you just go up. It'd be magic. I wasn't really paying too close attention to that. Because I genuinely thought we were watching Emmerical take place.

Right. It wasn't until I think I got it when she got it. Yeah. Yeah.

And I think that's what I really liked about this movie. Because a character I didn't think I was going to have any connection with whatsoever. I actually had more than what I thought. I was like, oh, I'm very much this person.

How she was so sweet in the beginning. How she listened to everything. She when he asked her something, she asked, oh, how did you know? How do you know that?

She asked questions. And she asked good questions as well. I don't think I'm that clever. Like, I'm a, you know, I'm an erratic mess.

I would like to be all over the place. But she was, it was when she started to figure it out, I started to figure it out. And I was like, oh, I like this. I do like this.

Yeah. Yeah. There was a lot of stuff that was in there just to purely make the audience feel uncomfortable and unnerve. Like, when they went into the kind of like, because this is like a me as like a escape room type thing situation where the first room is basically where these kind of interview with them having a conversation.

You get the candle when he turns the candle around. When she turns around as such an interesting player. I thought something was in the candle. I generally thought that if you look at it, it looks like there's something in it.

Like, what's in there? What's in there? I didn't like, I never even thought it would be like, no, I flew recently. I looked at how they did that scene as well.

Because the camera was focused like, and she was turning the cameras on her face. So we, she reacted before we saw what was going on. So you see her reaction, you're like, what, what, and then it like, hands to the blueberry pie center and you're like, oh my god. Like horror movies as well.

A lot of people, well, a lot of horror movies now, the one who rush in to get the jump scare or the rush in to get like the payoff. It's just a little bit of taking the time, a little bit of patience. Like a little scene like that can then fill you with like, horror movie don't have to get the jump scare go. It can get that belly failing.

Like, you know when you get that bad feeling, the belly like, oh, this is not going to go. And that's what this done well. And going to like the second stage of like the escape room is when they go to the, like the church, like these alters. And you see like the water feature inside, which was just bizarre.

It was like a driven from the roof. Yeah. I love thinking about the moment I moved that. Yeah.

When he went off when the noise clacked and he was like, oh, shit. Like that is another like, god moment. Like, yeah, the, the pace of this movie was perfection. I feel like a lot of horror directors, James Wan, needs to really take note of time in because Paul's right.

You don't need a rush to get to the jump scare. The, the, when they didn't sell her and the ladies, they've done the whole things happened and she's risen from the desert. And she's behind her. Yeah.

How slow it takes you to get, you know she's there. But it's how slow the camera takes you to get around to see that she's actually behind her and it's like, oh, shit. Oh, shit. Like it's such a build up moment.

And it's something that really is missing in horror. It is like a buildup of, it's just like, I was going to say suspension. That is not the word it all I'm looking for. Right.

Again, this is, this is why the whole view on is important for this movie because I didn't notice this in this when I was saying the cinema. Watching it again and the things actually we ran across. When she does the word, it's not real. Mr.

Reed, like you grant us the meaner and everything changes. Like, because you know when the described about it says, oh, like at the end, when she's giving the monologues in, you basically panicked. You, this wasn't part of the book. This person went off book and this is where you've been meeting as you go along.

You can see that in the second time I watched it. I was like, that is so fucking brilliant. Like for performance wise, because you don't notice like the nuances and stuff. It's like, because until that point, he's so sure, he's so direct.

He's gone and stuffer literally everything. And the panic is when like he sits, Mr. Barnes's throat. And again, that is done so brutal.

And not just that. And he's trying to use the fact that I should come back to life, don't worry. And she's like, oh, it's just got this implant in it. And again, this is a movie that's scary because of how uncomfortable it makes you feel.

This scene when he rakes in her arm to get in front of the boys. It's when he pulls the van out. Nope, that's the end. Because it's the noises.

It's not so much the act itself. Right? It's the noises that goes with it. But the minute he pulled that out, I was like, that's a contraception device.

And again, that's for a very small second in my head. I was like, oh my God, are we going down like EI? Is this where we're going? So I love the idea that it kind of throws for a second until I looked at it properly and went, no, that's a contraceptive device.

And she shouldn't have that in her. Mr. Barnes was more of a straight, smart than as you said, sister, back to me. That was the kind of payoff.

One was very much in the religion than the other one was. Yes. I felt anyway. One was just born for the more she was fighting.

Both of them were actually part of Mormon families. The more of a pro-op in Mormon religion, the two actresses. So they had, they have a lot of experience when it comes down to the moment, we as of life, but they're no longer in the Mormon church. Right.

One thing I wanted to, because with movies like this, and they've got a small cast and the performance of that, this reminds me so much of movies like Form Both and the Rhinemenals movie Buried as well, where the tensions kind of focused on the conversations or the situations and how you would react in these types of situations. Again, I know I probably wouldn't last the very long in this type of situation, because I would probably be free of it and be comfort. Do you think you would be as calm as sister Barnes and sister Paxton in this type of situation? Or you bet he'd think you would survive?

I probably never would have gone in in the first place. No. I'd been back on my bike, but no, once in the, I'm certainly not clever enough to have those conversations and have answers for him, or knowledgeable on religion. But I probably would have been gullible and been like, oh, well, if you're trying to mean that's the exit, I'm going to go and tell the exit.

Yeah, me too. But I feel like if he's having these type of conversations, he was having about religion, I would actually sit there and be an agreement with him. I think it'd be quite hard for me to kind of pull myself away from the actual conversations, because everything he was saying, even down to the actual, of his point he was making is all true. Yeah.

In my eyes, in my eyes anyway, like I'm not speaking for everyone, you know, we all have our different opinions on religion, but I just felt for me, I was like, oh, I would find it, I would find it very hard to be able to pull myself away from that conversation. Don't get me wrong, because that's kind of crazy. That's it. I'm fine.

I'll be in it in a second. I'll never survive. I wouldn't even be right enough to like if he says that's an exit, I'll be like running in the opposite direction. I'm that stupid.

But conversation wise, I feel like I would find it hard to leave. There was a conversation in this movie as well. I thought Sammy would have got like so excited about because Sammy, actually, is the self-proclaimed biggest fan of Jar Jar Binks as well. The way he brings in the conversation or that breaks the tension that is needed, because if this was, it was so well needed.

It's just, yeah. It sounds like my impression. Oh, God. And I was like, he goes on again, imagine if Jar Jar Binks, no, you just have called him Jar Jar and they were like looking at him, Daphne was one, sorry, Binks.

He was one in Jar Jar Jar Binks. And then he, and then he started doing the impression. Imagine if he was the Messiah and I was like, yes, yes, people. Just imagine I was trying to look for a decent quarter of the beginning on the Jar Jar Binks from it.

Just, it just didn't fit. Nothing fits. I was, I was expecting out of this sermons and you know, passages, like religious passages that I could kind of use and it was absolutely nothing because it was not the film. I was expecting, I was expecting a fully Mormon-centric movie.

No, but this, if you, again, I don't know if you're probably that needs and time to watch it again. There's so many pop culture references in this movie as well that you went to like, I flipped, I missed it the first time, but I flipped out with the Spiderman reference. Yeah, it's actually a special reason I had two for Grace in there. Possibly, possibly.

Yeah, it's, yeah, it's actually always fun. But it's actually time to run away. Spiderman, if you just looked at it like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Even I've got a lesson from that.

But yeah, I like about another. I love the use of music in this as well to kind of tell the story and kind of how. It's, it's hard to be really your handle. But yes, because that, that's like, that's a true story.

I know, it's a true story though, that isn't it. Yes, yeah. Oh yeah, and the whole line of the other thing. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, I think, Ed Sheeran's kind of put an end to copyright lawsuits in music, because he proved it on his last one that you could literally copy any music by just using three notes.

Right. It could be completely blown this story out. I just remember picking it up at the time, but he proved it in court that you could quite literally just with three chords, you could use it in any song and it was like a numerous of songs he went to, you can't really, unless you have something against these three chords, nobody can be done for copyright. Right, that's interesting.

It was something along those lines, it was very clever. It was clever what he did and he has kind of, because he literally was being taken to court every year for a song that he supposedly ripped off. But that story from, I can't remember the original band, but then creeped it, Lana Del Rey, that is true. Right, interesting.

I liked the game board reference as well. I made it out with the books and, you know, this is the original one, this is the original Judaism and the original Monopoly, I can't remember what it was called before, and then this is Christian, Canadian, comparing it to this and I was like, what's that done so well? I don't know if I did a bit of read-in for a time. I've just, I did a bit of a read-in, I just understand it a bit better because it was going so quickly, I was, and then obviously you move on to the next bit, I was like, oh, I'm kind of like interested where he was born with this and it literally used just Monopoly is the board of religion.

Yeah. Or the Monopoly franchise, I should say. We can put that out to like any type of board, but it was, and in a way, the way the spoken question this movie, because I know, as you said, the moments weren't very happy, but the one happy, I just said, the one happy with the tones or the context of the movie was more with the violence towards the women, if that's the case. That's all there is, there was nothing to do with the actual religion itself.

Yeah, but there was no disrespect towards any of the religions, like with anything that was used, because he never, because again, I don't think, and again, I was watching, he never once says anyone's wrong or anyone's got like wrong beliefs. He's just saying question then believes. I think that's a quite strong and powerful message, especially for a horror movie at the same time, because to be fair, this at times this movie goes deep and to be fair, it has no right to at the same time. It's basically a serial killer movie with what he's trying to be.

It's like a spider playing with the fly, playing with the prayer. It's like moving the pieces together and the whole set piece is like a board game or like a maze, and I love at the end when she's kind of like escaped, they have the whole weird like face off, but that model was just absolutely amazing. We put together and try to work out an exit from that model as well. The shot where it shows you her in the model running to like literally brings it out to the door.

Oh, that was beautifully done. There was a lot of beautiful shots in this movie. And what got me was the window. Yeah.

When they kept looking up the skylight of the top, I was like, I don't get it. So don't quite get, why do people have looked out of what they're there? So the way I thought, I didn't think, look, no, anyone was going to fit through that because it was thin. I mean, how was it going to go there?

Like on each other's shoulders, but in a desperate situation, you're looking for things, but the way I thought getting near the window with the phone, get a signal because everything's surrounded by. Oh, right. Okay. That makes sense.

That was kind of the impression I got from watching it. That was the electronic as planning a skate route or how to get out of there. But the whole, because I don't know how to like, take a clue in that, she had a throw cut, she looked dead, you ricked her arm, she didn't move off. Then half an hour later, she comes back to life and has enough strength to put that plank of ward with the nails on in the back of his head.

That was very foreshadowed, obviously. But by the time we got to that point in the movie, I'm like, well, there's no way to use it now. She's completely, the girl who's just being stabbed in the stomach, she can't get to it. So he's not going to know what's there because he didn't see it get put there.

So okay, that's gone and then took her to come out of nowhere. But when she, when she was on the floor, I don't know if he was noticed, she wasn't even here. I was going a bit. She was, she was, a hand was moving a little bit.

Either a very slow death or something else was going to come. I didn't, I'm not going to let I did not see it rise from the date. I thought that was pretty impressive. We talked about the heavy dialogue in this movie.

I love a heavy dialogue film. I'm a very big fan of Tarantino's movies and it really comes down to the fact of how great he is with dialogue. And this movie had something really similar to that. But my favorite part was right at the end with the prayer experiment.

I absolutely love that way. She said, do you know about the prayer experiment? Because the last words he ever says is pray for us. And she says, would you know, pray for us doesn't work?

The prayer experiment where they had one room and one had patients in one half, patients in the other half, one half, pray to the other half didn't and both of them, they both had the exact same fate. So prayer, it was proven prayer doesn't work. But we do it. And we do it because for only one thing that we can do as a person to think and be considerate of somebody else.

And I absolutely loved what I love the delivery. She's doing it while she's like, gripping on the rest of it. He is literally climbing all over her. I think he wanted to cut off.

I think he wanted to cut off. I think he wanted to human contact at the end because the way he was going, he wasn't going to hurt. I couldn't. He went in and he kind of like went to lean on a chest.

Like, till he's had a kind of lean, then I was like, oh, and I was like, oh, and I was like, oh, he wants human contact. He wants to cut off before he goes. That's crazy. Like, you're a fucking lunatic.

And we asked her to pray with everything, keep the leaps. Yeah. It was such a bizarre line. But if it got that bit at the end with her talking about the prayer experiment, I was more than happy for him to say that because it was such, it was the fact that she says, and we do it for the fact that we, it's something for someone else.

It's not for us. It's we would do it for somebody else. And then she starts praying. And I just, oh, I absolutely love that.

I actually got chills when she was talking about that. And he started crying when she started praying. Because again, her everything just happened and everything that she's just being through. She's still thinking of him and what he is going through in this moment.

His pain, his suffering. She was quite a selfless person, like a selfless person, sorry. But it's interesting you said before, because a keyword, I think used like four shadowing. There was a few elements that was four shadowed throughout.

The stick with the nails on, you always knew that was going to come back to play it. The butterfly as well was quite an interesting take. Who was that at the beginning? That's all I can think of.

Yeah. And it was quite the only other thing that you could make. It was a nicer way to end that you knew she got out and anything like that. Again, devil's advocate, like to me, wouldn't it be quite interesting if the ended, like, when he died, I didn't know if she got out.

Because again, that would have been a good way to answer any questions. I keep the question there. Because it could have been, but maybe just to say this, I may want it to be a little bit dark. I'm not too fussed on the ending.

I wasn't. It was what I love though, is when she gets outside. And obviously we've seen throughout the movie, the atmosphere outside is horrific. The conditions are terrible.

The colour palette that's used is just grey is dark. And then so when she finally gets outside and she's free, it's light. It's just a very... The storm's all over type.

It's all over her hands. There's a bit of snow in the air, but there's blue skies and it's bright. And then she puts a hand out the butterfly lens on her finger and obviously a friend had told that story in the house where when she died, she would have to be able to be able to come back. There was moth references used.

There's a lot of butterfly references used in this movie because it's all about the grain of rebirth. There was a moth thing in there, which I must have completely missed. When I was reading IMDB, they said that there was moth's used and they were to pay homage to silence of the lens. But for the Lord Bill, it was exactly the same thing, just in a different way than what Mr Reed is.

I wanted Mr Reed, we're skidding them and saying, would you fuck me? So, the lotion on its back, I'll get to the hoes again. I'm actually you grancing on that. I love that thing.

So we've talked about the ending as well because Becky said at the start that the ending nearly got away from you. So what was it that worried you a little bit about the ending there? I thought it was just going down the same old path that you're barbarian, as soon as you saw this woman, I just thought, oh, we've got this crazy odd looking, messed up creature type person. And I thought, oh, it's going to go down your monster in the basement kind of group of other areas.

The same ones that we've seen before. I'm all like the idea of when we're in the room before they went down the stairs of like, is there actually an exit and question and stuff and the conversations they were having? And then that really got me like, I'm really, I'm really loving this. And then I just thought, oh god, it's going to go down in that direction.

But obviously you do get a bit more as a conversation. When she does find the rest of the women, and the way it works, it brings it back to make more sense. But yeah, the first watch, I had just had that drop of one of these movies. So the same old scene, I got that.

I think for me, what was kind of like a turning point, which again, I didn't expect was the key, the key in the pocket. The realization and the thought process for that was so well done. Like, because I just thought it was just the throw we are, he's been through a pocket and put it back in the wrong thing. I thought they were just going to leave that as like a clue that it's sinister and thing.

But when you get to the face off and the realization is, no, you didn't put the key in the wrong pocket. You wanted this to be me, you've basically planned this and chose me to be this person this way from the get go. That kind of like got me more like this is just absolutely took the film to the next level, just for how clever it was, because I wasn't expecting that. Give me a bit of a say.

Maybe do moment. Yeah. The reveal of the plot and if he turned around and said, I would have gotten away with it too, I'd have lost my mind. But I do love the aspect of where she's piecing it all together, because it's not a case if she's figuring it out, she goes along.

She knows before she's even said it, while she was walked, as before she started talking, she knew exactly what she was going to say. A conviction of it makes that delivery so much better and even more scarier for her. She's not the person you thought she was when she walked into the house. Because for me, I had a clear picture of who she was.

She was very new to the religion, very enthusiastic. Hadn't get in her first, I don't even know what they call them, but they're kind of poor people in the church. She hadn't gotten her own. So this was going to be her first.

She was like, saw naive and scared and happy and yeah. Well, look at when she was pausing with them girls, and they're like, oh, can we have a picture just before they pass with their magic pants? It's true, it's not too bad, but they didn't have to do that to find out. But she was pausing.

She was in the moment. And the other one, she wasn't having any of it. So it was like, you could kind of see what kind of people you had. So that's a picture with the end where she put even in that moment when she's with them women in them cages, they are her priorities.

She even gives one of them a course because she's keeping them cold. So she does the best she can. She passes her court to somebody. I was like, oh, she's even thinking of others while she's in like full style.

I just, my thought when she got out is I hope she gets them out. The whole like when he was revealing like why when she says, why did you do this? And he's like, why did you let me do it? And he's basically said all her ideas, all her thoughts, everything's been controlled by other people for her whole life.

And he could see that. So he could predict everything she was going to do through the night. Human nature is a scary thing. I've got a really important question though as well because this I don't think they've got this answer right.

What is the best takeaway? Because they said it was Burger King. I don't agree with Burger King. I was not on the change of the towards the Wendy's at the end.

Wasn't it? They said Wendy's. My favorite bit was Taco Bell. We talked about Taco Bell.

We had to talk about Taco Bell. We're going to have to tell you what happened to Taco Bell's. We don't talk about Taco Bell. I love that conversation.

The fast food restaurant. I don't think I have one. It's the closest one to you. I don't really have one.

It's just because with all the different conversations that will happen as well, it was like again an odd conversation would just seem to fit at the same time. But it helped kind of relax the girls at the same time. Well, because he was trying to get them to forget that they didn't have another person in the room. Yeah.

And I loved that distraction technique. He did it so many times. And when they would bring it up, he was like, oh, and then he would say something else and start another conversation. So he was completely distracting in the whole time.

But I loved it. You were talking about the layout of the house and the different rooms. I loved the living room and how common the colors in that were. It was so inviting to the point where the blonde hair girl just ends up leaning back in the chair and she's just completely chilled out while the other one is a little bit.

This is what I mean about the character. It's six of the two because she sits bolt up. She's sort unsure of this person. But the other one's sort chilled.