EPISODE · Mar 1, 2026 · 51 MIN
Fear as Data in Leadership - with Susan Asiyanbi
from What The Fear?! · host Grace Marshall
What if fear isn’t weakness - but data? In this episode I’m joined by Susan Asiyanbi to explore what fear looks like in leadership - and what becomes possible when we stop pushing it down. Susan is a strategist, pattern recogniser, and the person senior leaders call when facing their biggest leadership challenges. As CEO and founder of The Olori Network®, she and her team study what the strongest executives do differently - capturing the principles, practices and pitfalls of leadership - and bring those insights to bear in real time with CEOs and their teams. Together we unpack how fear can hide in plain sight - in busyness, control, people-pleasing, or the pressure to prove you’re enough - and how those patterns ripple through teams when they go unnamed. Susan shares what shifts when leaders begin to treat fear as information, rather than weakness. We discuss: How fear disguises itself as productivity and performance Why high achievers stay stuck longer than they should What it takes to make the undiscussable discussable How leaders can create space for honest, real-time dialogue Why seeing fear as data can change how we make decisions If you’re feeling stuck as a leader - this conversation will help you understand the patterns shaping your leadership and your team and offer a more freeing way to lead. Continue the conversation with Grace here: gracemarshall.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gracemarshall/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gracemarshallninja/ About Guest Susan Asiyanbi is an executive advisor and operator with more than two decades of cross-sector leadership. She helps CEOs and senior teams navigate complexity, accelerate alignment, and strengthen the systems and relationships that drive performance. Before founding The Olori Network®, Susan served as Chief Operating Officer at Teach For America, where she led operations across 51 regions and stewarded more than 2,000 staff — building high-performance teams capable of driving results while maintaining a strong culture, even amid significant change. Earlier in her career, she held strategic and operational roles at Boston Consulting Group and Sears Holdings Corporation. Through The Olori Network®, Susan brings together everything she has learned: that strategy and culture must move together, and that leadership is ultimately about relationships, trust, and clarity in action. Find out more at www.olorinetwork.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/susan-asiyanbi/ The podcast was produced by pronkproductions.com
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What if fear isn’t weakness - but data? In this episode I’m joined by Susan Asiyanbi to explore what fear looks like in leadership - and what becomes possible when we stop pushing it down. Susan is a strategist, pattern recogniser, and the person senior leaders call when facing their biggest leadership challenges. As CEO and founder of The Olori Network®, she and her team study what the strongest executives do differently - capturing the principles, practices and pitfalls of leadership - and bring those insights to bear in real time with CEOs and their teams. Together we unpack how fear can hide in plain sight - in busyness, control, people-pleasing, or the pressure to prove you’re enough - and how those patterns ripple through teams when they go unnamed. Susan shares what shifts when leaders begin to treat fear as information, rather than weakness. We discuss: How fear disguises itself as productivity and performance Why high achievers stay stuck longer than they should What it takes to make the undiscussable discussable How leaders can create space for honest, real-time dialogue Why seeing fear as data can change how we make decisions If you’re feeling stuck as a leader - this conversation will help you understand the patterns shaping your leadership and your team and offer a more freeing way to lead. Continue the conversation with Grace here: gracemarshall.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gracemarshall/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gracemarshallninja/ About Guest Susan Asiyanbi is an executive advisor and operator with more than two decades of cross-sector leadership. She helps CEOs and senior teams navigate complexity, accelerate alignment, and strengthen the systems and relationships that drive performance. Before founding The Olori Network®, Susan served as Chief Operating Officer at Teach For America, where she led operations across 51 regions and stewarded more than 2,000 staff — building high-performance teams capable of driving results while maintaining a strong culture, even amid significant change. Earlier in her career, she held strategic and operational roles at Boston Consulting Group and Sears Holdings Corporation. Through The Olori Network®, Susan brings together everything she has learned: that strategy and culture must move together, and that leadership is ultimately about relationships, trust, and clarity in action. Find out more at www.olorinetwork.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/susan-asiyanbi/ The podcast was produced by pronkproductions.com
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