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EPISODE · Jul 8, 2026 · 44 MIN

First look at Recursive! (Worktrees Ep 004)

from Worktrees · host Jack Bogdan and Chris Messina

Jack Bogdan and Chris Messina unpack ⁠Raycast 2.0’s shift away from a purely native Mac architecture⁠, the ⁠backlash from power users⁠, and what cross-platform ambitions mean for modern app development.They also dive into Jack’s new project ⁠Recursive⁠, an agentic IDE built around plugins, local file-based workflows, multiple AI coding providers, session replay, autonomous commits, and self-debugging loops. Jack demos how Recursive helps him build and improve his own apps — including ⁠Click⁠ — by automating crash analysis, performance benchmarking, and iterative fixes.Chris shares his new Coaster project for analyzing iOS app updates, and the conversation expands into how AI model companies may compete with vertical software — including Jack’s finance app prototype built on the same Recursive foundation.A wide-ranging episode on native vs web architectures, AI-assisted development, vertical workspaces, and what it means for software to increasingly build, explain, and improve itself.

Jack Bogdan and Chris Messina unpack ⁠Raycast 2.0’s shift away from a purely native Mac architecture⁠, the ⁠backlash from power users⁠, and what cross-platform ambitions mean for modern app development.They also dive into Jack’s new project ⁠Recursive⁠, an agentic IDE built around plugins, local file-based workflows, multiple AI coding providers, session replay, autonomous commits, and self-debugging loops. Jack demos how Recursive helps him build and improve his own apps — including ⁠Click⁠ — by automating crash analysis, performance benchmarking, and iterative fixes.Chris shares his new Coaster project for analyzing iOS app updates, and the conversation expands into how AI model companies may compete with vertical software — including Jack’s finance app prototype built on the same Recursive foundation.A wide-ranging episode on native vs web architectures, AI-assisted development, vertical workspaces, and what it means for software to increasingly build, explain, and improve itself.

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Jack Bogdan and Chris Messina unpack ⁠Raycast 2.0’s shift away from a purely native Mac architecture⁠, the ⁠backlash from power users⁠, and what cross-platform ambitions mean for modern app development.They also dive into Jack’s new...

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