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And of course, I'm sure you saw in the title of the video. As well as the description, we have a very special guest returning. What is up, Mr. Hawkman?
How are you? Hello, what is me? I'm talking about a large avian individual. I'm very happy to be back.
We're not qualified, experienced, and unique qualifications to talk about what we want about today, which is some really cool alternative formats to people that maybe are tired of general advanced format. Before getting into all of that, we want to do some quick news. Oh, yes. Beginning.
First off, the Speed Toolbox GX has been pushed back from February 18th to the 25th. Less than a week. Not that, not that, not exactly week. Yeah, exactly, not that big of a deal.
I'm thinking either due to some kind of shorter somewhere or maybe that there's something else that they were going to release on the 18th and forgot and I'll push it back. Oh, so in the, they just posted an update in the YGO organization. It is a contour attention that distributor fact sheets have already used the new date from the beginning. So this likely means that it changes instantly a correction rather than delay.
It's not actually delay. It's just correction. Yeah, yeah. So when there we go, when the date got leaked, they got, they leaked the wrong date.
So fair enough, fair enough. Let's see. So continue. I'll do one more for a second about the Speed Tool GX box.
That's a really cool box and it really has the opportunity for some really cool reprints that are legal in constructed advanced format. Yes, all Speed Tool Cards can be used in regular old UBO. Yeah. Not the other way around.
That is true. And also with the Speed Tool GX box, I know a lot of, just anecdotally, I know a lot of people that kind of found the way back to the game because of the previous box that they did. Excellent price point. Literally has like eight playable decks and a bunch of cool cards in it.
There's so much attention. Even if they don't do like amazing reprints or TCG because they don't like really have to, they could print some older cards that haven't seen prints in a while. And the fact that they're updating Speed Duels like this instead of the booster boxes is so amazing. It's such a wonderful step from Konami to see them do stuff like this.
It's like, cool dust theater except for the whole format. It's so awesome. I single-handedly credit MBT for this. There?
I mean, he literally did an entire video saying, listen, I like Speed Tool and this is why you should too. And here's what Konami should do now. A Speed Tool GX box. Do this Konami.
Konami, I'm not sure. Hey, so we just decided, and I say we're left, we decided to do a Speed Tool GX box. It sounds cool, right? Um, like one thing I would like to see is maybe some alternate, like maybe alternate arts for all the element of the heroes, but like, like all the all parts, but it's common.
I mean, even if they, I mean, yeah, I mean, even if they do it, it's like an upgrade, rarity. Well, because the original, because the original all parts with got for all the heroes were all secrets. Oh, gotcha. Yeah, so like, low rarity versions of it, maybe another all-part cyber dragon would be old.
Speed Tool. Ultimate riers? Ooh. Maybe.
The Speed Tool like physical card prints are already really high quality. If they were like an answer, there were alties in this box. What's up? Oh my god.
Oh my god. That's the bet. I got just popping to my head. That's the best idea I may have ever had.
Oh yeah. I mean, I would be able to keep it in stock if that would be, if they did that. Oh. Because the card, I mean, this is such a cool opportunity just to give generically good old cards a fresh up-to-date printing, like you said.
But it's just the rarest they can do. I was like, think about this. They reprinted Dikojchi as a super rare in the Speed Tool box, which was really nice. Right.
It's great for goat format. And those super crazy expensive, now by the way, I don't know if they're wrong. Yeah, because they sold out. The battle city box sold out everywhere.
Right. I don't know. It's just, it's such a cool, a cool time for not just Speed Tool. I think for the game's whole thing, this is the best possible way to reprint just generically really old cards that have seen a reprint in like 15 years.
That's just like, oh, well, we haven't had a way or reason to reprint this card. Well, now we have an entire dedicated GX set that everything here is legal for advance also so we can do whatever we want, you know, an ultra rare master of Oz. I would love that. That was cool.
That was the second best Necrophusion target by the way, it's Master of Oz. But I'm sorry to put you all sorry, I'll stop it. This would be the coolest thing you've ever seen. Our Polymerization in Ultimate Rare.
What makes sense, but you're a deck, right? Spicy. I think I'm going to work with an ulti. Also just like Konami, Metamorphosis.
We can easily use that. Is that a card or is that a, it doesn't matter. Yeah, it just won't be an opportunity to print it. Please just do some more.
Yeah, but we really want to inject Metamorphosis into the C format. Yes. Absolutely. That's the best for people.
You want Metamorphosis? They're impossible to eat a lot. They're impossible. I need to do it.
I need to do it. Let's go cards plus the four card hands. Minimorps is the part of your hand. So it's kind of balanced by the fact that the toilet's covered.
I guess you only got, yes. How busy? Extra deck is Beagle. I think it's five cards.
Five? Okay, five. Oh, it's like five. I can reprint Metamorphosis.
I don't care. It's only five cards. Yeah, it's only three cards. What does it matter?
Oh, yeah. There's a lot to be said for Metamorphosis in Beagle though. This would be a great. Extra deck is a, sorry, extra deck is a fine.
Yeah. That's still the part of the time. Yeah. Like this would be great place to put Metamorphosis in that way.
I knew printing Metamorphosis because it hasn't been one in decades. Pretty close to decades. Yeah. Pretty close, pretty close.
Okay. You can go ahead and move on to the. Okay. So we're going to, so speaking with product information, next up, we now know that midget consolidation, pure white and piercing the darkness from the 2021 megatens is going to be ultra, and addition.
Ultra double a Zeus is going to be in the tens. Cool. I guess the Zeus reprint is welcome. And I'm glad that I think Zeus is one of the cards that had the highest chance to meet a dedicated for the teams just because Phantom Regis like on the more recent end sets that could have been included in the teams.
So I think it's awesome to see that here. It does worry me that I feel like Zeus being here might mean something like an access code talker, Mr. The Tins and that would be scumery of the highest order. The highest.
The other three cards. Nobody cares. They all suck. Well, well, I'm thinking about.
Yeah. I'm thinking that was that. If they don't pull the access code in the tens, they're going to put access code in a. Oh, right.
Yeah. But that's still also. Well, I think the problem there is that's. With if we're talking about the wrong, I think I think the better space for that access code talker should be in the tens and just so that there could be like an ultra printing of it rather than a gold printing of it.
Evil hero, a dusted gold. Oh, that's 100% yeah, definitely. Yeah, definitely. Well, I never crossed my mind.
That's that. That absolutely has to be an elder. It would just make so much sense. If they can do gold, that's a gold.
Yeah. I think it being as well probably. But I mean, back to the Tins. The early weeks that have happened, I don't know if you guys have seen a Reddit from a little bit of an interesting thing, but if you guys have seen a lot of the time, it's the end of the day.
But in that case, it's not a bit of an spiritual thing. Yeah, and then you know, when you go back, somebody was getting packs. Yeah. They were getting sponsors.
They were going to talk to the teams in Donner managed. Yeah. And the set numbers kind of is making some speculation and wild about some stuff that might miss the Tins. For example, the access code talker, it's likely that either access code or animator isn't going to be in the Tins or like basically something in that slot based on numbers or there might be something they get excluded from a Rizalidou list, which would suck really bad.
But a lot of products coming like two weeks in a row. So just be that way with their product. Like you said, it'd be like that. It is what it is.
So, okay, I know we're past it. I can't, I can't help but go through TCG and look at OGXS to see what's like crazy expensive and stuff. Some of the Destiny Herald cards would be great for it to be reprinted here. Oh yeah, definitely.
With all the Destiny Herald support coming in versus Destiny. They could reprint some cool Destiny cards. I guess in here Dasher I think is one of the ones that's saying a ton of use and then you get stuff like that. Just just thought, you know, it can even do like an ultra rare baby Sarah source.
Oh, foil baby for a Toronto hassledary deck. I would buy the product instantly. I do not care very much about what it's supposed to be. I think you're crazy.
What if baby was ulti? See, the problem is I would want ultimate rare ultimate conductorano before the ultimate rare baby. Just solely. But I would still be very good.
I think it would be, I think there will be an asteraphine, except for sure. Like there's got to be an asteraphine. Yeah, like they were like they were doing the next side of guests. It's going to be Jaden, answer Phoenix.
Um, can't think of the dude's name. The dude's name. The dude's crystal beast. You can also be pretty good.
Yeah, Jesse's going to be a Jesse deck. Royds. Yeah, there's going to be a Cyrus. They might skip cyber dragon.
Only because we're already getting a cyber dragon structure back. I don't think it matters. But we still might not even get that cyber dragon structure. I mean fair.
But it's people. So they'll probably do a speed to version of it with like cyber L. And then cyber phoenix. We could, we could, I'd be sick.
They'll just automatically be the best day in the format. Yeah. No, but the extremely base reprints that we could see in this product would be elements of your amnios. But for other reasons, I don't think that's going to be.
Yeah, yeah. Oh, primo dragon. It needs to fall canics. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, they do an actual rodeo with eight slots. They might actually paint. Look at you.
You're in 1000 days. Yeah. Between every day, new volcanic support went. Could you imagine if they actually released like a new Volcanic card here?
Oh my God. It's a skill card. He can't use it as TCG. Does it reset his counter or not?
Probably not. So technically speaking, if we're talking pain lower, the one raw support card is actually a blaze accelerator card. So technically they did release volcanic support, but it's not really volcanic support. And he kept going.
So I doubt that a speed dual skill is actually a. I know it would have to be something like a new volcanic monster or like a volcanic spell card. Yeah. Okay.
So do you want to work with my news? Lastly, today was supposed to be MBT's child's line monthly time. However, due to an issue, they had to cancel the whole thing for this month or a curry set of issues set of issues that earlier you said, Mr. Hawke that you have some insider info on that.
Yeah, I won't get too much to sit here on this. But I can say like the specific reason that there are problems. So the wonderful Luna, aka Al Pacran, and a few other people I believe have contributed to the creation of a bot told the MC. And the reason that challenge was the pairing software that the child's on the uses is because it has API support.
So they can use a bot to input stuff into challenge and have it work out or port stuff to everybody through this work. Problem is sometimes a challenge being a software that is developed and run by rats, it means that sometimes the buyers get true to them. So not only has it been like a month since the last support request and challenge response, it's literally nothing. It's just like our team is away right now.
So like it seems like they just don't even want to bother trying to fix it. But it turns out today the whole system just stopped doing things. Last month there was a problem where it ended to the tournament after two rounds, despite there being like 128 plus entrants. It just decided that the tournament was done because there was some issue where people, there wasn't apparently a proper pairing option where people were playing unique players despite it being around free.
So that eventually got fixed day of due to some amazing ingenuity from a separate, not just in Coder related, but Coder and Cretan and Redby and everyone else. But yeah, so challenge sucks. Don't use it if you can help it. There is a side tournament happening, just in case anybody's listening to MISTIT.
You can message me, the pricing is being put out by MBT. That would have been put out for the channel assembly. It's being run by the real man 93, a good friend mind. So feel free to like message me on Discord or join the talk on server, which is probably linked in the podcast.
It's happening this coming Sunday. And yeah, it's going to be, it's no cap on entrance, same pricing as MBT would have offered for the tournament. So yeah, he is trying to make it right, but it's not going to be like a channel sign in the fleet because it's just too much work to schedule out of stream time and email challenge to get no response. So that would be Sunday, August 29.
Okay, cool. Just so you know, what is the pricing for the child sign month on a general basis? I don't know exactly where it is. It kind of depends.
I don't know off the top of my head exactly the pricing business will be. I'm not sure if it changes a little bit because of the changing circumstance. Usually it's like first place gets like a trophy and a box of seal product, like a booster box kind of thing. So I think for this one it would be Don't Imagine Steve.
Sure. Exactly what that is. I know what top eight or top 16, depending on entrance, get MBT child sign monthly field centers. I had one there.
Excellent. Really cool custom art and the orchestra really well. And then I believe like second through fourth also get some form of UPO product. I think it's like a mini box of some kind like I know in the past that is like overload or goes from past.
So some sort of like mini product for second through fourth. I always wondered how you got that feel sent to you. That thing is so, so nice looking. And now we know.
It's very cool. Answer the child sign month, please and get top four of levels and then you too can have a a child sign monthly field. That is awesome. Here we're going to take a quick ad break and we'll come back and we're going to talk all about the alternative formats.
All right. Well, thank you so much for killing for telling us about anchor. So we do want to take a few minutes to explain what we mean when we say alternative formats. So for those that don't know, as it turns out, there is more than one way to play UPO.
You can always play advanced format where there is always a million different ways to play it. There's a million different, you know, decks combinations and everything else. Yeah, yeah. But to the side of that, there are a ton of alternative formats.
Very few of them are official and the ones that are official are not really supported, but they exist. But the real fun is in all the alternative unofficial formats, which have immense, immense community support. So there's a few things we're going to talk about. First we're going to talk about the official alternative formats.
Then we're going to talk about the speed. Then we're going to talk about the unofficial alternative formats starting with retro format. And we're going to finish up with some very, very select, bestial formats outside of retro that are fun formats. And that'll be things like Highlander or his lander, which is, or even progression series formats, which are the highlander stuff is kind of a sky-hawk specialty, which is a whole reason we brought them in.
But as I said, he's knowledgeable about a lot of things. So. Well, thanks. So obviously, like we said, there's the official advanced format that's going to have the most support out of anything.
It's what Konami wants you to play. So all the advanced cards are legal for it. So everything works for it. The next format, the first official supported by Konami quote, unquote, giant air quotes, technically they claim they support it format is traditional, which is just the worst, just terrible.
Basically, you just take the ban list and put all those band cards at one. That's it. That's traditional. It sucks.
And if you really want to play it, good luck. There are no Konami official tournaments for it anymore. I haven't done one for about 15 years. So if you want to do that, you can go play once every few months in Farpa's tournament that he does sometimes, or maybe.
Yep. I was just going to mention Farpa's tournament is, I think, pretty much the only place that there's any kind of organized traditional format. And I think that's there for the memes. Brunch out.
It's not even there. Yeah, yeah, it's not even there. Like, oh, traditional formats. Awesome.
Nope. It's a joke. Literally a joke. Giant meme.
So what we're saying is it's there. Don't play it. I would say this technically an alternative format. I would consider dual links to be an alternate format.
If dual links is an alternate format, you change the card pool and you change the game. And it's still all. It's still all it's me. Yugio cards, right?
So like, yeah. I mean, when you say you change the rules, I mean, you change like, text size, hand size, things like that. Yeah, things like that. How the first term works, I think, is different.
Spoiler, I know very little about needles, actually. But I think the first term does work. So there's no main phase two at all. That's what I was thinking of.
But it is a fun little format for my understand. That I'll be very interested in getting into if it wasn't actually not that cheap to play. So because you have to use speed dual cards and the there's there are as previously mentioned, I've been bought out a lot because it turns out they're good for advanced and other retro formats. Oh, yeah, especially that was a box.
That was an amazing box. Right. Yeah. And also the tournaments themselves actually have been growing ever since the start of the remote dual externations.
So like, almost since the beginning, there have been speed dual events started out very slow. But once people realized that the pricing for them was going to crack, a lot of people started getting the speed duals. Like, you could get, if you want or got second or third, you were getting like OTS speed dual term impacts and you can pull some real externations. You can pull some real externations out of those.
You can pull a crazy sense of stuff. I think I had an OTS term impact to speed dual, like speed, like speed, dual term impact to Caitlin's goal server. And it's like $150, $180 like that. Yeah.
Well, because for some, I think for some of them it's like, it's like their only foil print. And it's also just like a card to get it's collectable cards. Like, let me like, TCD player, like turn on the pack one, the blue eyes is like two over bucks. The dark magician is like 120 red eyes is like 60, like almost all the foils on the other side.
Yes, there's no dark magician is criminal. Didn't they do that in one of like, what was it? Zara's fifth grade list, her, her thing. It was like custom ban list and you like pay a dollar as a charity.
You can pay a dollar and make a card. Yeah. Somebody unbanned thunder dragon colossus in response. I banned all the mean.
Okay. I did say I dark magician was banned. There were certain fluffled card band. Um, yeah, that was to preem.
That's the preem to me. You're not wrong. I agree to magical scientists. I think we're both put it like three.
Oh my God. Engage was put to three, but I think Ray was banned. Oh, yeah, they made someone really like, I could have been playable decks. Um, like they brought cards from those decks and we all the ban list and then just turned around and hyperbanned the most important cards from the deck.
So it was a really fun way to make certain example able. Yeah. That'd be like a take middle changes banning Shettel or something like that. Oh, there are those cards on my list.
Yeah. Anyway, uh, yeah, I personally haven't played it. It's very cool. The community is actually growing a lot and I think the new product will expand it even further.
The product lineup for speed tools shifting to these like boxes that come out with set product in them is a really, really sick way to not only get people into format, but to make before that and plus like you said, it's okay. Okay, I was about to just say the same thing. Just said, but it's true. It's such an amazing way, like you said, to get people into the format.
Like, I really think we're going to Walmart next time. When those release February, I'm probably going to Walmart and I'm probably going to buy several of those boxes, just so I can start playing Feadless. I think it's just a cool format. I'm kind of into it, plus the price support is kind of correct.
So yeah, I was considering doing the same. So pass that. Like you said, Duel Links is a thing, technically, that you could do. Other than that, though, I don't know of any other, basically for a while, there was some support for sealed play from Konami.
Yeah, with the Battle Tax. Right, which they even translated it to Top Cut, a couple of YCSs, were played entirely sealed. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I heard some of the higher level players loved it, because it truly, like, in a lot of ways, really put a lot of emphasis on deck building. Oh, yeah. I agree.
I feel like my opinion, I guess, is that I think it should have been a sort of a problem. I don't really like concept of merging them. I think it's cool that they did it, but I think, like, when you build a constructed deck and you're like, OK, I'm going to go to this event and do well based on my constructed deck, and then you make it to the top. I'm like, surprise, all your preparation sucks.
I think they probably found that to be a little bit too crappy. But I think it's cool we did it a bit. There is one other, technically, officially, something like that in Konami. Are either of you aware of Chin?
No, I've not. Never heard of it. OK. So what Generation Duels is, yeah.
No, exactly, yeah. They ran a couple of side events for this at some YCSs. What Generation Duels is, is it's like five separate custom band lists for five different areas of UDO. It only goes up to Arc5, which shows you, again, how supportive is they haven't updated it.
Whether it's UDO, GX, 5Ds, Zexil, and Arc5 band lists. So for example, on the original DM Arab band list, some up to date, here's the forbidden list. Here's the updated band cards. All other like monsters aren't listed on the list are banned.
All fusion monsters are banned. All pendulum monsters are banned. All ritual monsters, all synchro monsters, and all Xyz monsters are banned. And there's a list of cards.
And there's a list, for example, A, assault core is legal. There's like literally a list of updated monsters that are allowed to actually be used. Yeah. And so how kind of, yeah.
And so how this works, except it's a GANs rules. So you pick an era to enter the tournament with. And so the errors of UDO all play against each other. So like a context example of like, so for example, the 5Ds era.
If you play the 5Ds era, all fusion, pendulum, ritual, and Xyz monsters are banned. You can play you can play signatures. And then there's a bunch of other customers that get to like come off the list that are in different quantities and some that are down. So like, for example, charge the labor data that too, because I'm going to do some of the cards that were there.
You can play Soul Charge at 1. So Soul Charge is legal at 1 if you play 5Ds. And so they give them like different tools or restrictions. It's a really, really cool format.
And never took off because it supported it with like 2 cards. OK. So it sounds super cool. But I feel like there's also probably one.
I feel like they'll create a, unless they balance it just perfectly. I think that they're probably would create an issue with a certain one era being better than others just like by inherent nature, right? I think that Xyz and pendulum would just be like inherently better depending on the cartwheel, I guess, than 5Ds, the XZ. Especially DM.
Now, there are some very cool ways to exploit the format. MBT actually being one of the people who pioneered it at a generation dual side event. He played DM era pacifist, the Phantasm city, because he could play pacifist with access to a whole bunch of the broken signal cards, because the band was specifically said all other effect monsters were banned. So he played pacifist, the Phantasm city, with a bunch of the broken signal cards.
So what would staple cards use a proper signal card? So like, did they like, if you're playing specifically as DM, like, you could buy a green? I believe so, yes. So basically like limited to one.
Here's a list of spells. Book a moon, book a tie, your brain control, barrel from a difficult dimension, card destruction, card of safer tone, change of heart, chicken game, cold wave, contestation, delinquent duo, foolish burial, giant grenade, graceful, darity, harvies for the best earth, and a storm blast wheel, mind control, mirage of nightmare, monster, reborn, painful choice, pobogreed, premature burial, rigue, reasoning, snatch deal, temple of the kings, universal centering, upstart goblin, are all limited to one. So you can play one each of those. And then for traps, you can play while revealing light, vanities, trap, dust, shoot, time, seal, transmigration, prophecy, skill drains, six cents, royal oppression, the list goes on on crush card virus for your rata, importer, last turn, it's all the studively broken cards you can play them on one.
But you can't play any effect monsters aside from the ones that are fabulous. That's awesome. Yeah, it's really cool, but it was never supported. And so there's no play for it.
Yeah, again, it sounds really fun. Just they gotta support it. There's no way to play it. So who wants to DM and beat the intel that he used to start doing tournaments for this format?
Well, this would be like a, I feel like this would be like more far from his job. Like people show up with total ways. And with it. Technically, the other problem with the way that the format is constructed is technically speaking every area.
Oh, true. Oh, there would have to be a new list for that. Yeah. Yeah.
All right, so let's move on to the, I guess, let's start talking about some retro formats. So from here, we have obviously the best format, the greatest form of all time. Good. Good for him.
Which a lot of people have come around to. Hey, I want to be really hate this one right now. So, I mean, it was a format that I was like, it's the best, it's the most skill for format. And people have like optimized the format and wait now that it's just kind of sacky.
Turns out just like advanced. And so it turns out we take a format that has like 41 ofs and you start like optimizing the cargo in the deck list. And then there's suddenly like a tiered, like these decks are literally just better. It's not all the same deck.
It's this deck is a coherent strategy. And this deck is a coherent strategy. And this deck is a different one, you know, when it's just when you have that and you optimize it in the way that it has been optimized, turns out, all those powerful DM staples like Pot of Greed and Graceful and Duo are prebroken. So a lot of you just kind of hate the format because it has become sacky.
So yeah, unfortunate. So cool though. It's still like good format that has immense amounts of people that play the format on a regular basis. Tons of tournaments.
You go to goformat.com and literally find daily tournaments, hourly tournaments to play this format anytime you want. You can find money tournaments, you can find world championship level tournaments, whatever you want, it exists for this format. In fact, this format might literally have more support than advanced in some ways. Yeah.
And to something just to point out is that even though, like in some sense, the format itself is solved, there's a lot of medical shifting that happens. I remember reading some articles about somebody who like the person who basically came up with like the Reason Engate OTK, SAKEDEC. What was like, it was a big response to med game, but that kind of felt like a bit of a people shifted. Like for an example of how like the wonky this is, I've got pulled up the European 3B3 championships that happened and it's got like the top four documents for each teams.
Two of the first place team, two of their lists are playing three copies of JARG-Greed. Yeah, it's awesome because you can set like three back row. I end your point on open. Oh sweet, you know, it's gonna be storms.
Like cool, chain two JARG-Greed. Yeah, and it's interesting like evolution wise, like solid judgments back when like the game was played was a lot worse, but solid judgments is a lot more playing now it seems because people have realized that being able to say no to anything is kind of nuts. Cause previously like I know like the mindset a long time ago, like I mean a long time ago, like back when these cards were printed, it was like, ah, the like point cost is a lot. And then people even go to realist, you know, like points have a bit more here, but they still don't matter when you have to get there.
Yeah, it's still a resource. Yeah, it's a round of cases. Yeah, 4,000 like points is half my life points is well worth just saying you don't get to do anything. I'd argue that's even better and go format because there's so much of like, tap you for 15 pass, tap you for 17 pass.
And there's a lot more opportunity to use it at a lower life cost. That sounds dumb, but like realistically the games that go format almost always go just a ton more turns. And yet still each and yet still you end up spending less time dueling. Oh, for sure.
Cause the play so optimized, right? So it's like, oh, you know, okay, okay, I'm gonna roll some of this sets back or pass. That's my turn. Yeah.
The most complex turn I've ever seen was activate reasoning, exactly reasoning. You want full reasoning, Tom? Yeah. Yeah.
Or that. Just like that. No, no, that's good. Like a weird basket deck that a friend of ours.
Yeah, of course, of course. Which could also, which could also it's like a you. Yeah. I think part of this conversation kind of gets the heart of why stuff like continues to exist and also format exists is because sometimes the TCG doesn't offer the style of play that people want in the game.
So something that took me out previously and then brought me back in later once it came back. There are people, I think there are two major types of formats in the game of the UGO. There are deck building formats and there are technical performance. Deck building formats are formats where because there are a lot of like, hardware decks or a lot of decks that make a very oppressive turn one set up or have very so wrong or your ghost second capability, you have to, well, most of the game itself gets played outside of the game where you're constructing your main deck.
You have the right counters in the main through hand traps or ghost second cards or engine pieces and you're constructing your side deck to be specific threats. And so most of the actual technical gameplay is happening outside of a match. Whereas something like Go, for example, while that element still exists, it is focused a lot more on the actions you take in a match. It's a technical format.
So places like this exist, existing is awesome because it gives people a place to go do that when the TCG doesn't offer it. So like, for example, if you hated Adam and to Peter Sync or Elvick format because it was a deck build format and not a technical format, you can only come back here. Right now, TCG is in a good place. So maybe some of these old formats might be going down, but I'm sure they will grow again.
And once we get back to it, I'll go back to it. Yeah, absolutely. That makes a whole lot of sense. I never thought about that way.
And that's why we never gave him a spark. Oh, yeah, most definitely. That's how I thought about it. Is that TCG formats have that it's like a tech play to deck building ratio.
And we've had a lot of deck build formats, but right now it's not as much of one, which is why I think everybody's saying it's such a good format, because you can just a few of that. I would agree with that. Go for me. It's interesting though, in particular, because while you say the technical format, it is, it is.
Without doubt, there's a lot of high-release stuff in code. I mean, you can just as easily, in fact, go format has like two to three super competent and viable FTKs. Like might just actually be the best deck in the format kind of thing. Listen, listen, there was a time I only would have done this once in my Gear Feed Warrior deck.
Or my opening hand was Gear Feed Iron Knight. All my copies of Smoker Native the Thief and Tling of Duo. I mean, it'd be like that sometimes. That's skill format.
You rip five from your opponent's hand and say, sorry, like, I don't know, it, go format is fun. It absolutely is. And it's a very skillful format when you're playing against a skillful deck. But sometimes you end up playing against library FDK or MHR or burn or stall or any of the things you've seen in history of your career.
I don't know if I've seen someone. Listen, listen, the secret to beating burn in my experience is just always helping the sixth fourth and level two. It'd be like that sometimes. And then just keep beating in the face with it.
That is good. Yeah. I don't know. I think any of the opponent is going to have those problems, to be honest.
But you write that and go, especially when you have a sasaki staples. It's like, oh, you do Lincudu. Well, that makes it a lot harder for me. But it's possible to come back because the technical play aspect here.
Although, I admit it does frighten me a little bit that I didn't scroll down. And in the fourth place list, there are triple, just as a triple, or geometry on a triple secret barrel. And a couple of main active yaku d-reithenters. So is that piece down burn?
It looks like it. Yeah. It looks like there's desk koalas in here. Giant rat, yaku d-reithenters.
That is piece down burn. There are some lists side decking birds. OK, so that is it. I'm sure that came up.
I love that card. That part's amazing in that format. Let's suppose I'm a warrior mane for the format. Berserkarilla, just it's my career.
I love that it's there. OK, so some lists. This is what I was talking about. This is a part of the format.
So Berserkarilla is a great card. It gets over some big time defensive walls in the format. In addition, it just kind of kills a lot of stuff. He's big, which is cool.
Sometimes you just need to know someone in a tech. Same reason that some buyer of the dart is actually sometimes relevant, because you can swing over a defense position, spy, and kill it. But the newest tech choice that I've seen is in actual goat control decks. Because there's different decks in the format.
There's Warrior Toolbox. There's Chaos Warriors. There's Cast Control. There's Peer Chaos.
Flip Control. Flip Control. There's Goat Control. Whatever.
In goat control specifically, it's just the deck that the format is known for, which is actually falling by the wayside a lot, because it just loses to Chaos, which loses Warrior. And it's a triangle. It's a triangle. It's a revolving block.
People are taking Chaos Command Magician in their goat control decks. Because Parashat is cool, but Chaos Command Magician is bigger. And he's still a one tribute, liked target. Allarious.
Now, that kind of makes sense. I don't have that much experience in playing goat. To be frank, but I imagine if goat control is fading out of the format, and Parashat specifically is good against the goat tokens, then maybe you would start playing Parashat. Because you're going to run a new group.
People are also no longer playing a Shurapreeks in a lot of senses. A lot of people are deciding or cutting all together, driving affecting bars. And so hilariously, what happens is Chaos has an amazing match up against goat. So Chaos becomes super prevalent in the format, and is the best deck in the format.
This was as of six months ago, eight months ago, maybe you're the most. Over time though, the format shifted because Warrior murders Chaos. So it's hard to stick with the last one ever. I can just shrug and roll some and...
It's all force and derivative. Yeah, or de-warrior, whatever you need to do. I mean, you have infinite options. Plus, Warrior's entire game kills the flip effect monsters that a lot of times Chaos control relies on.
So, like, night, missing swordsmen, things like that. So those, I mean, you have two Rolle, which is awesome. Plus they play a large backro game. Lots of one for one removal in the form of things, like Socrates armor, almost always on triple-solving judgment.
So Warrior has an amazing match up against Chaos. So recently, Warrior has become like, if not the best deck, let me go like the second best deck. And as a result, hilariously goat control has an awesome Warrior matchup. So as Warrior gets better, goat gets actually better.
And then it makes Chaos better. And it's a hilarious triangle that'll never stop spinning, that'll never stop rotating because the format doesn't ever change as far as the card pool and bandwidth goes. So pretty much once you've got your play set of cards, your set, yeah, that's a card before. Is that like, you just gotta get the cards.
And they used to not be very expensive. Some of them are now really expensive. Yeah, some of them. Others, a bunch of them are still like, you can get a pot of grief, like 25 cents.
Can you, though? I think, I mean, because I mean, because the one I have is only worth like two bucks. Like, racial charities are fairly cheap. Yeah, those are super cheap.
Yeah, racial charity and pogrier, just bear cards are dirt cheap. Mr. Tomatoes and Shining Angels are very common, have 101 reprints. Very good uses.
101 uses 101 reprints. So dirt cheap. A lot of reeds are a dollar or more for all of them, but that's still not a lot. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. I think it's like some of the random staples that just haven't been printed in the bajillion years. I think I do, like you said, trap dushies are kind of expensive now.
To coach you about it, I'm looking at a look at it. While it was reprinted as Super Rare in the, you know, a battle city box, it is, I think the Super's only 20-ish. Commodore five or six bucks, aren't they? Yeah, the comm is like five to six at least.
Even, which I guess you can always run Mystic. Is it Mystic Box, Mystic? Oh, Darkman, Darkman, Darkman, Darkman, Darkman, Darkman, Babbage, yeah. It's like, it's an alright placement.
Although that really doesn't like it, it has control. Anyway, so pass to go format. Moving on to the next retro format that we want to talk about in depth, which is... Before we move on to that, just real quick, I want to say that our sponsor, ETP, on Rare Occasions does affect GoTernan.
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Like I said, their website will be in the description below, etbgames.com. And from here though, I think we're gonna go ahead and move on, and talk about some plain secret format. Oh yeah, boy. So this is a format that has been popularized recently.
People like Pack are playing a lot, people like Jesse Cotton have been playing a lot. They say that this is actually more skillful form, I think, but in a lot of ways. And in a lot of ways it is. It's not nearly as solved as go is.
Most people just copy either Billy Bragg or Patrick Oben's list for the topping you at that time, and like that, which is fine, I mean, they're both playing the same list, and the most skillful player wins like eight times out of 10. But I mean, especially the plain secret, because there wasn't a whole lot of seconders to be had. Yeah, it's a lot slower format than people might require. It's slower than go.
Like a very common first turn is a normal summon Thunder King, Ry-O sets in back row pass. Yeah, we're just like normal summon to your guide, special sand and then pass with on that. Like I said, yeah. Or you might realistically just pass on empty board because gores is in the format.
And Trigodia. Yeah, I mean, like realistically, you can pass on empty board and you're pointing mine out even attack your pure fear of gores. So it's a very, it's a very interesting time in the game history. There are some decks that are better than others, generally, plain secret is the best deck, although there's an argument to be made for chaos agents and TGs exist.
There's a lot of decks that exist and are playable. But I'm taking a look at just because I don't have that in my experience as a matter of technical, a little master post, the Reddit master post here. It looks like a YCS that happened during this time was a YCS Providence. It looks like there's a lot of viable strategies here.
I mean, obviously like a Tengu plant has eight tops, but like you said, one of them was actually playing a TG and there's six samurai had topped a lot during this era. Yeah, after the six-hand structure, at least they had gotten their own dedicated synchro. They could spam the counters on the gateway to six. Oh, right, it was the first six-hand structure.
It's like, wait, what? Because the second one gave them an XE. Right, right. Yeah, so the first six-hand structure, I think gave them great shoving she-end maybe or, I don't know, I don't know.
I was like, no, no, it was just a legendary six-hand right. Oh, man. Like you said, there's agents, chaos, and I can catch it, Antima, that which I assume is the decking rail. There's a fish deck that I've watched.