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EPISODE · Aug 23, 2023 · 1H 4M

Holden Thorp

from The Clemson Dubcast · host Larry Williams

As the chancellor at the University of North Carolina from 2008 to 2013, Holden Thorp was front-and-center for some seismic athletics-related events. When he took the job he thought his main mission from trustees was to make UNC more like MIT academically. He soon learned otherwise as an NCAA scandal unfolded in Chapel Hill involving fake classes and a compromised tutor for the Tar Heels' football program who was also the nanny for coach Butch Davis. "What I learned was that the relative priority of athletics compared to academics at Carolina was a lot different from what I thought," Thorp said. "There was always a folklore and a legend that academics and integrity were put above winning. North Carolina made it 50 years without having to confront these things. Part of that was just dumb luck: The NCAA never picked up on some things that were going on. And part of it was excellent management as well. "But the truth is Carolina was winning the same way a lot of schools win. The weren't magically not having a lot of the same problems that all these other schools did. The house of cards came tumbling down, and everyone in Chapel Hill realized the school is really no different than any other school that's wildly successful in athletics, or wants to be wildly successful in athletics." Thorp was also chancellor when the ACC added Pittsburgh and Syracuse in 2011. He said that North Carolina could've gone to the SEC at that time, but that the additions of Notre Dame as a part-time member and Louisville helped bind the conference together with a Grant of Rights initially signed in 2013. Thorp said there was great debate in the ACC about the Louisville addition. A significant number of presidents preferred Connecticut because of the Huskies' basketball profile, but Thorp and then-commissioner John Swofford persuaded enough schools to vote for Louisville. Thorp was the chairman of the ACC's Council of Presidents at the time. "UConn and Cincinnati were trying to get us to invite them," he said. "Clemson and Florida State were adamant that they wanted Louisville. Swofford and I felt that keeping those two happy with football was critically important. So we got everybody on board with adding Louisville." Thorp is the editor in chief of the Science family of journals.        

As the chancellor at the University of North Carolina from 2008 to 2013, Holden Thorp was front-and-center for some seismic athletics-related events. When he took the job he thought his main mission from trustees was to make UNC more like MIT academically. He soon learned otherwise as an NCAA scandal unfolded in Chapel Hill involving fake classes and a compromised tutor for the Tar Heels' football program who was also the nanny for coach Butch Davis. "What I learned was that the relative priority of athletics compared to academics at Carolina was a lot different from what I thought," Thorp said. "There was always a folklore and a legend that academics and integrity were put above winning. North Carolina made it 50 years without having to confront these things. Part of that was just dumb luck: The NCAA never picked up on some things that were going on. And part of it was excellent management as well. "But the truth is Carolina was winning the same way a lot of schools win. The weren't magically not having a lot of the same problems that all these other schools did. The house of cards came tumbling down, and everyone in Chapel Hill realized the school is really no different than any other school that's wildly successful in athletics, or wants to be wildly successful in athletics." Thorp was also chancellor when the ACC added Pittsburgh and Syracuse in 2011. He said that North Carolina could've gone to the SEC at that time, but that the additions of Notre Dame as a part-time member and Louisville helped bind the conference together with a Grant of Rights initially signed in 2013. Thorp said there was great debate in the ACC about the Louisville addition. A significant number of presidents preferred Connecticut because of the Huskies' basketball profile, but Thorp and then-commissioner John Swofford persuaded enough schools to vote for Louisville. Thorp was the chairman of the ACC's Council of Presidents at the time. "UConn and Cincinnati were trying to get us to invite them," he said. "Clemson and Florida State were adamant that they wanted Louisville. Swofford and I felt that keeping those two happy with football was critically important. So we got everybody on board with adding Louisville." Thorp is the editor in chief of the Science family of journals.

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