Holly and Hailey Q&Aa

Hi, I'm Holly and I'm Haley. Welcome to Mountain Mysteries Tales from Appalachia. All right, we're live. Welcome back, Patreon subscribers.

Hello. We have a special treat for you today among the many treats that we give you. But this is a special one because this is a Q&A, actually. Yeah, so a lot of like, you know, questions that you have that we are going to answer for you in not just this episode, but another please don't knock the kids.

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I'm gonna pretend they're good. I'm gonna answer that. You eat as much as you want. You just have at it.

So we're gonna start with the Q&A, like I said, because this is the linkier episode. We're gonna start with this, and then we're gonna follow up in our smaller episode with the rest of our Q&A. So don't miss it. All right, so the first question, Haley, is how did you start this podcast and why?

Oh, man. So Holly and I worked together back in the day and it was, we kind of just immediately connected, I think. Yeah. And kind of had this weird, we learned a bit quickly, very quickly, that we had this kind of same obsession for True Crime and we'd talk about like cases and things like that that were going on and sick puppies.

Yeah. And then our work lives kind of ended abruptly and dramatically. So we were both in different places, working different jobs. And the way we kind of stayed connected was through some of the True Crime stuff and it just kind of developed from there.

I was like, hey, I think had this crazy idea. I think we could do this and wasn't really sure if Holly would be on board, but immediately you were like 100%. Absolutely, we could do this. And we talked about it for maybe like a month.

And then we just like did it came into fruition. And this was before COVID. Like we started and now COVID had kind of hit. No.

So my recollection of it is we worked together until you're told, I mean, no, it's okay. So we worked together until November of 2019. And at that point, we went to two very separate jobs and we're doing different things. I traveled a lot at Haley did too from her job, but I traveled a lot for my job and typically on Mondays was my really long day.

I would drive back every Monday night and Haley and I would talk on the phone. And usually for a really long time, usually about really deep things. And then we got all of this. We called it deep thoughts with Holly and Haley, which was really just comical.

And we just kind of thought it was funny. We always had these really intense deep conversations on my drive home. So it just sort of my son was born, all these things were happening. And then COVID happened.

And in the midst of COVID, we continued to get together safely. But you know, we continued to get together and we had like a fourth of July party and we had all these things. And we just started talking about like, you know, we should do our, you know, deep dive with Holly and Haley, which we do. And people were telling us, Oh, you guys should do a podcast.

Those deep thoughts with Holly and me were like, Oh my gosh, we should. And we talk about these things. But we also really liked true crimes. So Haley one day threw it out and said, Hey, what do you think?

We should we think we could feasibly do this? My brother could help us. I think we could make it come to fruition. And for me, it felt so like exciting, but also just out of our reach that felt like something that professionals did.

We were just two crazy girls who had full-time jobs. And at that point, I had a very small baby. So it was like, well, if we can make this happen, I'm down. And we did.

And here we are. That's my recollection. Yeah, I have, I'd forgotten all about our deep thoughts. But yeah, I was, we don't have them anymore.

No, we're too, we're too right at this point. No, but yeah, you would call me. And then it turned into, I think we talked every day, because I would be driving home. I would have like an hour commute home every day.

And I was falling safe, trying to call him. So call him and we would chat. And yeah, it was, it was a kind of crazy. And I would call, like we would talk when I was cooking and study my kitchen on fire.

Get off and call the, yeah, we called the hard one. But yeah, that's, yeah, kind of how we started. And we started recording in my basement apartment with the heat and the dog. All the things, all the things with our one microphone on my couch.

Your mom would watch my son upstairs. And we would record. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a great time. Wow. It's been almost three years.

It's wild. It's insane. So one of the other questions is, were there any stories that surprised or shocked you? Any of the stories that we've done.

I think all of them kind of give me a little like, like, even the one that thought I knew, like just kind of getting to do the deep dive into them. But I think the one that I have enjoyed the most are any of our like historic ones, like the river pirates one, I remember being just really fun too. As I think there's, there's an element of like, you can kind of remove yourself from the historical ones a little bit more. And like, right, there's so far, you know, in the past, and we can kind of have that distance that I can actually enjoy the story a little bit.

Like it almost doesn't feel real. Yeah. You know, like, obviously they were real people and like horrific things happened. But it's different when we're talking about something recent from like 2020 or something like that.

Right. It's a little bit different. Yeah. I think nothing's like, particularly no story, particularly is coming to mind.

But I think, you know, those little things like, especially like a halees telling a story. And I think in my head, it's going this one way. And I'm like, I got this figured out. I know exactly what this is.

And then she's like, and then she's like, and then and then what's the switch on me. I think, you know, that's always really interesting and surprising. Yeah. How do you find your stories?

Oh, wow. So who the internet the internet? No, it's a mixture of like, of recommendations from family and friends to just a random Google search sometimes. Sometimes I'll be listening to I listen to several other true crime podcasts and I'll hear them tell a story that is from Appalachia.

And I'm like, Oh, I want to do that one too. And then like, I kind of feel weird about like taking stories of their podcasts, but it's like, these are real events. So it's like, everybody, everybody, right. And everybody does it.

Like, everybody tells a story a little bit differently too, like in their own way. So that's kind of how I go about mine. I dust off the encyclopedia. Just dig it out.

I dig it out and I start with the A's. So that's on the floor and hope in the video. Oh, no, I have the whole collection. It cost me a fortune.

Anyway, no, I, so some I get, you know, people give me, you know, suggestions. But for the most part, mine comes from, I get an idea in my head of, I'm really interested in filling the blank like a ghost story from West Virginia or a murder in Kentucky. And I just sort of let my search lead me in whatever direction it does. Yeah.

And that's the thing is, sometimes it's a real miss. And sometimes I start on something and I'm like, I just am not feeling this. Yeah. I kind of go another direction.

But whatever speaks to me is kind of what I go with. I'm like, yeah. What is your favorite story of each other's and your favorite story of your own? Oh, gosh.

And so I get really confused on people who've done what it is. I'm like, if you got a digit, you got one, you got one, you got one. So my favorite story of my own recently has been cocaine bear. That one was just so fun.

Such a fun, like crazy story. And I just liked it because it was just a lot so much happening. And my favorite one of yours? Oh, man, probably there's so many, so many good ones.

I need to like look at a list. I don't know. I feel like I have a soft spot for all of our earlier ones. Yeah.

Like I just, do have a little like back when we were brand new and doing like no idea what we were doing or what we're talking about. So I say probably one of your. I like your is elder Fitzgerald one a lot too. Like I like the Highland Hospital one.

I was gonna say that's actually one of my favorites. That would be sort. I really like that one. Like, cream.

It started to work. I don't know. I just, that's just stands out to me. But actually, of yours, as you were talking about earlier ones, one of the ones that stands out to me is getting that hey, about the lady who killed her husband and how they tried to sneak her to prison.

Yeah. You know, it just kind of sticks with you. So definitely. What stories do you find most connect with your audience?

I think the ones that are recent like that have a tie to anything going on currently. I think those are like our most popular ones I think. But I also find that like people come up to me and say that they really like, like the obscure ones. Like then some people tell me like, oh, I love your ghost stories or like, I love the like the mystery part that you guys do.

Like brown mountain lights and aliens and like that kind of stuff. Those are like some of the most fun ones to me. But yeah, I just, I think numbers lies are ones that have a tie to like, current events and pop culture and like that. Like the one on the little girl in Tennessee's wind and summer wells or Eliza Fletcher that I did.

Yeah. Yeah. Those tend to be cooking bear, obviously. But I would also say I've had people say to me like, death and scandal, like, like, hiding bodies, like, and I've had people, one of, I get a lot of feedback that they love Haley's episode, which was the third one we did about Battery Park Hotel where we blame Fitzgerald.

Yeah. I love that one. Yeah. So, but yes, our most popular tend to be ghost stories and tend to be the current ones.

Yeah. I agree. How long do you plan to keep going with your podcast? Oh, we did.

Yeah. I don't know what contacts are talking about this. I don't think we'll ever run out of stories to tell. I think there's always going to be stories to tell.

I think what gets difficult sometimes is there's not a lot of information to find. And we are not investigative reporters or journalists. We just don't have the time where the platform can do that. I would absolutely love to be able to talk to people who, you know, want their stories, hold, or their family stories.

And if you want to contact us. Yeah. We just don't have the currently the resource to do that. But I think that even if we don't have all the information, I think even just telling pieces that we have is good too.

But I think we'll keep doing this or I will keep doing it. Hopefully with Holly, you can imagine doing it without Holly. As long as we're having fun, like, as long as we're enjoying what we're doing. I think when it becomes a chore and something we don't enjoy or like, I don't want to spend our time on anymore is probably when it's time to pack it in.

Pack it up. Yeah. Yeah. I agree.

I think that it has been a really fast, almost three years. Yeah. And I know it feels like yesterday. There are those moments though when you're trying to find a story and it just feels so like, I can't find any, and so frustrating in that moment.

They know that there's something that you just haven't hit on. And then you finally find it. It's like, okay, great. You know, and I'll be honest.

I think that sometimes the stories that I think are going to be amazing and I just love our stories that are loved as much. And the stories that I think are people love. Like my, what was what that when I did the Appalachian, not superstitions, but the Appalachian creatures. Yeah.

That was by far the episode of mine that I hated the most. I hated doing it. I just hated it. Even getting through it, we had a pause multiple times and I was like, this is a shit show and it goes to air and people love it.

I'm like, really? Okay. All right. So anyway, long story short, until we just take it.

Do you plan to expand your platform? I was loved too. I think we are diving a little bit more into the idea of maybe doing some merch stuff. We are in talks with some places about doing some live shows.

It's just, yeah, it's just kind of a, again, it's difficult to do all of the stuff on top of all the other responsibilities we have in our lives. This is an honorful time job. It's not a part time job. This is like a few hours, you know, a week that we have to dedicate to this.

So the fact that we are still doing it and doing as well as we are by our standards is pretty amazing to me. So I would love to love to do more. I would love to be able to have the opportunity to travel and do some cool stuff. But it just, it takes time and it takes more time, I think, than we currently are able to give it with the way our lives are right now.

But maybe one day. I mean, I would love to continue to grow our platform, grow our audience. And also, yes, I would love to do some merch and sort of get our name out there even more. And it would be great if one day this does become our full-time job.

Right. How cool. Yeah. Yeah.

With research assistants. Oh my gosh. I can't even imagine. Yeah.

Were there any stories that you were uncomfortable with? I don't think so. I think if I was uncomfortable with one that I've done, I wouldn't tell it. I mean, they're all uncomfortable in a way, you know?

But like, I really have a hard time with, and I've said four of the cases that involve the elderly people. For some reason, that's like, that one's really tough for me. And yours is like kids. Yeah.

So, but yeah. No, I don't think I have any that just made me outwardly uncomfortable. I do. I have one that I told.

But I guess which one? What's her name? The one about the lady who drove her kids into the lake? No.

I mean, that did bother me, but no, because I was so, I had heard that, you know, I kind of, you know, the one that bothered me the most was the Tennessee couple. Yeah. Where she was tortured. Yeah.

I think that was recommended to me by my friend Chanel. And I'd heard that story briefly before and just heard pieces of it and heard how horrific I was. And I was like, Oh gosh, but I didn't think it was that story until I started researching it. But I was so deep in the research by that point.

I couldn't really stop. And I thought this is a story that needs to be told. But it made me just cringe because it was so horrific. But again, I thought that it was important to be told.

No, it's not one of our most popular episodes at all. And I think it's probably because we had a trigger warning in it. Yeah. Right.

But yeah, it's a tough one. Yeah. Were there stories that you didn't love, but the audience did kind of like we mentioned. I know a number one for you.

Rainbow girl. And I love like that story as fans is fascinating to me. But for some, that was the one that hated telling it. I hated doing it.

I hated the research. It just really didn't. I was not feeling it. It was one of those like, I was into it too far.

And I just was like, I've got to get through it. And people loved it. And it was one of our like, for a long time, it was like a top episode. I'm shit's falling off by now.

But yeah, it was one I just for some reason I did not connect with that story in a way that I wanted to. Yeah, I always think about that. That was our running joke. Yeah.

I was like, Oh, it was probably Rainbow. Rainbow. Rainbow episode. That one.

That one. Yeah. That's it. Again, I think it would go back to Appalachian creatures.

That was one that. You felt the same way. I felt the same way. I felt the same way.

I felt the same way. Yeah. Just I hated the research of it. A lot of the names were very difficult to pronounce.

And I kept stumbling over the words. And I was really, I remember it was really at the height of my child, like not sleeping. And so I we were having some tech difficulties too, where we were recording. And so there were just so many factors that went into that episode making it really hard to do.

And if you go back and listen to it, and it sounds amazing, and it doesn't sound bad. And that's what Haley said is, I was so worried that it would just be awful. And it wasn't. So yeah.

Well, and I can fix a lot in post, which is nice and so glad that we have that avenue. Yeah. So. And for all y'all, if you want to know our most top rated episodes, I can give you the top five or the top that I see here.

So that's one, two, three, four, five. Okay. Top five. The number one is the Lily Lin family, which was our first episode.

Yeah. So people start with that one and they drop off. And see murder on the Appalachian Trail, which was our second episode. The five of us are second trimes.

Followed by our third episode, murder at the Battery Park Hotel, which was Haley's episode. I really liked that one too. Me too. And then the fourth one is missing in the spunkies, which is my story about that young man who went missing in the spooky mountain.

So you've never seen him since. Yeah. I know that chocks me too, because I'm like, I just kind of thought this was a, I don't know. Like a, what not like a sort of a, but you know what I mean?

Yeah. But like, well, one of those that like, it's been told a million times, there's like a ton of research out there on it. The interesting thing is I don't think it has been. And I think that could be why it's more popular.

Yeah. It's sort of a more quiet one. Yeah. Oddly.

And then number five, cocaine bear. Okay. Bear. Yeah.

Even on Haley's mind. Yeah. He's mine. Haley's mine.

Yeah. So pretty, pretty even. Stephen. Sorry about that.

Cool. I just wanted to talk about that. Let's do two more. How about that?

Were there stories that you loved, but didn't resonate with the audience? So kind of a flip that you were like, this one stories I loved that people didn't seem to be starting to have them pulled up. I know that's why I'm trying to pull up mine because I'm trying to see like, because it's like, yes, I know that there have been ones that I really enjoyed doing and enjoy the research one on. I would say, hang on, please hold.

I will not look at all these here. Well, you're doing it. I'll say, you know, I was shocked because I had presented a story, I think it was episode 20 about Zepp Quinn, the young man in the Asheville area who just went missing. Yeah.

They never knew what happened to him. There was no answer. And so it was just, it was so fascinating. I don't know if it was so interesting to me because I had heard the case constantly having lived in the area and known about it.

Zepp was relatively, like, he was only three years older than me, like all those things. And then, so that one wasn't as big. And then I came with the 100th episode, which is when it was solved. There was a court case and it was closed and we who did it and we kind of knew answers.

And I really thought like, wow, you know, this is cool bookend. Like, you know, the audience, which is really loved this as much as I love this and it didn't really resonate. And another one I thought was the 9-11 story. It was the 20th anniversary.

And to me, 9-11 was really, I say real. It's real. I lived it, you know, I wasn't there. But I mean, I lived it as, you know, 17 year old watching this on television, all the things that unfolded.

And it was really important to me. And I kind of felt sad that the audience didn't embrace that as much. Because I felt like it was important to you. Anyway, what about you?

Just looking at some of these I haven't thought about. Like, I don't think there was one in particular that I was like, I mean, I wish I wanted to done better. But like, I forget about that. That vampires of Dillsboro.

I love that one. Like, that one was really fun. Just like any of the like, weird ones. I kind of, you know, do which I thought about more.

Like, I just, I don't think about them as much. That's kind of, that's kind of where I'm at with that. Yeah, I appreciate that. Appreciate that.

All right. Last question of our full-length Patreon. All right. We're done.

Yeah, we can do some more too. Okay. So what fun fact can you tell us about your co-host? Oh, fun fact about Holly.

I think she's mentioned this before about the fact that Holly is so good with dates. Like, Holly doesn't forget a date. She's sorry. You got like on a calendar.

She's still with Ben. And that's why she's divorced. And everybody is like, she's just like, no, like I am the worst at remembering birthdays. Like, Holly has to text me when it's our friend's birthdays.

Like, mutual friends. She'll text me when it's like my grandmother's birthday. She'll be like, Hey, your grandma's birthday this weekend. Like, I'm like, what is it June?

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Your mom's June 3rd.

And just like random days, like when I, like she knows when I quit my job. Like the dates of when I quit my job when I started new jobs. Like, yeah, I just that's just your brain works weird in that way. 100%.

I love it. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you.

That's a cool little thing you could do. Weird little hat trick I pull out of parties. I can tell you when your grandma's birthday is. Yeah.

But my friends do call upon me quite a bit for their family's birthday. You know, so it helps for sure. But then I can't get away with like, I forgot your birthday. No, you can't because I know you didn't know.

I know. Thing about Haley that people would know. A fun fact about your coast. Let's see.

So Haley is very interested in policy and research and, you know, she's kind of a little nerd in that way. She sort of nerds out when that stuff happens and she's like digging in and learning the new policies and learning, you know, all these things that are happening. And I give about two shits. And she loves it and is so educated on it.

And she and our former boss both like love that. So they were able to connect over that. And me and our former boss connected over coffee and like musicals from the 1940s. So different parts of our brains.

And it's just interesting how people are drawn to each other in different ways. But that's a cool fact about Haley. Like she is like, she's gonna nerd out like if we're gonna talk about policies, she'll nerd out about it. Yeah, I will.

I'm a strong believer in the more that we know the less power people have over us. So like a lot of the new bills that are coming out now that people get really up in arms and scared about. I'm like, if you just read them like in their entirety, like the actual bill, like they're not able to do a lot of the things that they say they're able to do. There's a lot of the little crap.

There's a lot of loopholes. This one says how do I meet? How do we just keep going? Yeah, let's do it.

How do we meet? We met at work. I had recently graduated from grad school into grad school in New York City. And I saw a job posting for an agency and was like, I could do that.

I had no idea what it really was. So I was just I was literally like I was in I was in New York City applying for jobs. And I knew I wanted to come back to the mountains. I grew up in Western North Carolina.

I wanted to come back to the area. I wanted to work somewhere somewhere close and applied to this job at this little agency. And for some reason they hired me. Please.

And I remember coming in. And I think the first like I don't remember what our first I think we were talking about like we were gone to at Gone New York. We were talking about like college or something like we had attended the same college. And every your birthday was pretty soon after I hired.

Yeah. And we went and I was very nervous. Oh, yes. Very nervous being there.

I didn't know everybody really well yet. So I was just kind of like sitting there awkwardly. But yeah, we just quickly bonded. And that little basement office that we worked out of together.

We did. I remember Haley's interview. It was actually done via I guess it was Zoom. And I will tell y'all I was so hungover.

We had no idea. I remember she had this tapestry behind her. So this is weird things I remember. I don't really remember what she said or anything like that.

I do remember we had interviewed other people for that job. And a lot of people would have to relocate. And for a lot of us that became an issue because the job that was posted was not a high paying job. And our concern was that people would move here and then ditch us because they couldn't afford to live here.

You know, all those things. So when we had to resume, we're like, oh, great. She's from New York. You know, like she's not going to want to be so initially we had that.

But then we interviewed her and she was so great. And she was like, oh, no, no, no. Like my family lives here. Like I'm moving back.

And so we had to kind of have that assurance to be able to be okay. Okay. But no, she interviewed really well, had no idea you were hungover. And then just you couldn't meet a better person for that role.

I mean, she was just amazing. And yeah, that day at our, my birthday lunch, we were going around and just talking about our age or something. I was 34, I guess. And he were like, I was 21.

I was 21. And me and our boss went, wait, what? And both of us like are like, you're what? Yeah, because you can't ask that.

No, in an interview. So I had no idea how old it was when I was hired. And I remember looking up my boss and she just shook her head at me and laughed and she was like, well, she was like, oh, God, what happened? And so I learned, I learned a lot in that first job.

It was my first big girl job out of grad school. I mean, I'd worked other, you know, like little things here and there. But that was my first big girl job. And I learned a lot.

And I made a lot of mistakes and I met some really cool people that still have connections with. Probably taught me a lot. We had a lot of car conversations. We had a lot of like, cry together moments.

And like, we kind of in that first job, we kind of shared a lot of the same clientele. So there was a lot like our roles were different, but we shared a lot of the same, like clients. So sometimes we would get to go and like visit with people together. And like, that was kind of cool.

But that job was kind of, I've described it as cult. Which is, we were in the trenches together and it's sleep deprived and very underpaid. And we loved what we did. I mean, it was fantastic.

And the people were great. And we were just, you know, I think we all stayed there a lot longer than we should have. But the people were just worth it. Yeah, I've never felt a team camaraderie like that.

Like it seriously was a team. It wasn't family. Like we would do things like go to trivia nights together, all of us. And we would go to other houses and have little like, we have movie nights.

You know, we've done all these things together. And it just made our teams so solid so that in return when we were working with our clientele, like we were a solid team. And it became a situation where there was some divisiveness that ended up happening. And we didn't want to be divided.

So a lot of us quit. Yeah, there was, I think, there's a mass exodus out of a team of 12, I think nine of us left. Yeah. And it was a, yeah.

And when that happens, it's, you know, another like, it's like a traumatic experience that we all kind of wit throw together. And you know, and it's honestly, and Hailey and I have talked about this, it's still traumatic. Yes. There was so many things that happened.

But I also look at it as it had to happen. Yeah, that's the only way I think we would have ever gotten out. It had to happen. But it was, I mean, we had, again, I would not, I would not trade that experience or anything.

It was the best. I would not be half of the social worker that I am today without that experience. Yeah, I learned a lot. Me too.

No regrets. No regrets. What are the strengths that you see in each other? And how do you work so well as a team?

Oh gosh, what a sweet question. You can speak so highly of me. Strength. Strength.

See in each other. Um, hmm. There's so many. I'm the blonde one.

Um, I thought that's a strength. I, hmm. How is it very, she's very detail oriented. Like, there they are.

No, but like in a way that I am not like, I'm very much a, just throw my shit together and hope for the best. And Hailey always seems to, whether she thinks she has or not, like, have her shit together. Like, I don't know. Hailey's like the real grown up in my life right now.

Like, when you like grown up, I call Hailey. That's funny. But just like very, like, Hailey's one that keeps up with our recording schedule and like, all of the social media postings and like, when we need to do all the things, like, how is it like, like, knows what's happening and knows how to get it done. Whereas I'm just like floundering in the wild.

Well, thank you. But yeah, no, I mean, yeah, and I think we work together well because we are very different in that way. But we're very similar. Yeah.

Very similar. But we're also, we're also very different. I think that, you know, we talk about a lot that we are, there's an age span between us. We love to get about that.

And it is true. I'm, I'm you, Ode. But if Hailey were immature, it wouldn't work. No.

Because I just wouldn't stick around. And half the time, I'm way more immature than she is. But she allows me the space to be. And that's really nice because so often, you know, in our jobs, we've got to constantly be professional and I'm a mom.

And I constantly have to be in control. And, you know, so to be able to kind of be silly and goofy is really a blessing. So she allows me that freedom. But I can say this.

Yes, I'm detail oriented, which sometimes drives me bad. But she is the one who is taking care of the editing, making sure that it's uploaded on time, making sure that, you know, we divide out this. We divide out that we're putting money towards this where, you know, like that, it keeps us going. She is our tech person.

You know, she is the one in charge of the computer and the microphone. She houses our microphones and our things. And she brings them every time if she comes to my house or, you know, so I just really appreciate that that she has that skill set because that's something that I don't have. So I think we work very well together because we complement each other.

We're very different in the sense that sometimes our interests are like different. Like I talked about, she's like, let's talk about policy. You know, I am very different in that way. I'm like, let me tell you what happened in World War II.

It's so different, but yet we gel so well together. And I think we did it work too. We were different, but we were always on the same team and our clients knew that. And that's why I think it worked well.

Okay. Okay. Let's see. What do recording days look like for you?

Recording days for me. So, um, and Patreon, you'll know our little inside secret here that we record like four episodes at a time. Six, up here, correct? Six.

It's insanity. So if I'm coming to Holly, typically I come here on a Friday or Saturday, it kind of pins. If it's a Friday, I'm coming from work. I'm already exhausted.

So I am like pounding caffeine. I will hopefully have had my stories done by the time I get here. Um, Saturdays are a little bit easier for me, because I can take my time and I'm not leaving the chaos that is my job, um, to drive out here. When Holly comes to me, um, it means pretty, so I usually record earlier in the day.

So it's around like breakfast time. Usually you get about 10. Um, we do all of our episodes at my house while my mom keeps your son and usually they'll have lunch and just hang out and catch up a little bit. Cause it's like our time to also like catch up from the crazy.

Cause sometimes we'll go like, but we kind of have that friendship that like we're so comfortable with each other now that like we can go like a week or two without like even talking to each other. Um, and then I'll just call randomly and be like, let me tell you everything that happened in two weeks. Exactly. And vice versa.

Like it's, but it's also like no time has passed either. Like we can go a month without seeing each other and then we do usually. Yeah. Usually like we don't see each other between recording.

Like we'll talk on the phone or text or whatever. Like we keep up with each other, social media stuff. But like we don't usually like see each other because we're so far apart. Yeah.

We live an hour away from each other. We both have really demanding jobs. We're just so busy on the day to day. But we do, I mean like, yeah, we check in via text or phone or whatever, you know, even for having like a little emotional crisis or something that you know, the other person which really understand that those maybe wouldn't.

Um, so yeah, my, my recording days, like Haley's done are very, very similar. Like, you know, if Haley's coming here, she's going to come here at night, which means that I'm kind of running around all day trying to wrangle my child and usually get him to bed before we're able to come down and record. If she comes to my house, I make dinner. Um, we used to do eating out and we're both too bad.

Just got too expensive and I do miss the all the garden days. I'd say maybe, maybe one night. We went to like once in a, once in a balloon moon, maybe, you know, quarterly or something. I don't know.

We'll figure it out. But so anyway, so now we cook for each other. So when I come to her house, like she said, it's usually during the daytime, I get there about 10, we record and then we have like a really late lunch with her whole family, which is really awesome. Um, and that's the other part is her whole family has just sort of embraced me as like, oh yeah, one of their kids, like, you know, like my son is like the honorary grandchild and it is, not a whole give them grandchild.

Well, and, and Haley's mom just boils my child rotten with so many like wonderful toys and clothes and he is just, um, we're very blessed. So that has been such a gift. Well, and it's such a gift for me because like, if he comes, it stops them from pestering me about having children. Yeah.

So they just, uh, really take us in as, as members of the family, which is really cool. So well, Haley, let's stop this Q&A and why don't we follow into a shorter Q&A for the last couple questions? I'm nice. I will see you there.

Great. All right.