Yeah, we'll go. Well, I, everyone, and welcome to the Nerdy of North Parkers. It's a Nerdy Parker supposed to buy another Nerdy of North Parkers. And all the nerds I am, while you're whole son.
And I am the other horse, Paul. And joining us this week, we have the fun girl and Dallas herself, the busiest woman in Park culture. That's happened at all, Lee! Hey, hello, hello, hi.
Thank you so much. I'm so stoked to be doing this again. The first time I was delightful, and I was like, if you guys ever want to talk about the fucking Batman. I'm in, so, Ray.
And you all, as Sami said, the busiest lady in Nerdy of North London, or whatever type of dumb there is, because it's taken us that long to try and get you back on, because we had such a blast last time. And all Sami was worried for this episode, just like, how am I going to top that opening that I gave Taffy last time? I am never given anyone else the same kind of treatment. Just like I did for you.
That's so appreciative. It's still in my favorite things. And like, it does need to be talked. That's perfect.
Like, I think whenever I die, I just play that. I like, if my cast gets lowered into the play for the... With my northern drool, yeah. Geez.
Well, like, ideally, I kind of really want like a pirate. Like, I want my own, like, Viking, Fieral. Oh, right. They were legal in the US.
So, you know, maybe by the time they can just shoot my body to y'all. And you can like... Just get the winches. What's that?
Just go all through a natural style. They used to do it all the time in the winches. Just go, yeah. With your blazing intro, you can use that again.
And at the end, you're jumping to Dolly. And then playing the squeeze. Did you see the arrows? Did you see the great?
I have like four or five people in mind. We were terrible arrow shooters. So I think it'll be a great thing. A great thing.
If you ask me, I'm just throwing that arrow. Like, there's no way that I am even trying. It's just a muzzled one. There you go.
And then you give us a lot of opportunities as well. And it's nice to see a face to face a big thank you for everything that you've done for, not just like say, no, you know, but us personally as well. And it's nice to have an American friend every so often though. So again, big thank you.
Absolutely. Thank y'all for being supportive of us too. And for all the random things that I do. So now it's mutual.
I adore you guys. Like if you guys ever need an American to come sit on your carpet like a cat for a cat. I told you. The country is free.
And I'm definitely going to be looking on that because that's one of my goals by time. I'm at least the next year or so. And then we're going to Europe. So I think we're not.
It's with the UK. Which is so I. You're in for a treat. But yes, so Sammy, do you want to get the disclaimer out the way?
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Keep it kind and keep the toxic behavior out of a nerdism. Very well said. Thank you, thanks. And Sammy, having a one, I'm silly in a Kyle moment there.
So I don't even know if anyone can see him. I'm like, I'm over to staring at it. It's like the cat was in. Yes, you're doing well, Mommy.
It's fine. Oh, so it was so cute. Last week, I totally forgot to tell Brian that my cats do and take him to walk around from time to time. And he's like, a cat.
Yeah, there you go. It's me. Yes. Yes.
Yes. Yes. Well, that's the thing. Well, since I think we've thought the idea of getting to have to run a talk about that man be ever a long time and we've held off talking about the man of the dark night, just till we could get to have to run just because I love that man.
I've got like, I think I know some stuff about Batman, but Taffler's knowledge is far above what I would even say and her love of the bat. And just Batman, just the Batman universe is so inspirational because every time you do an Instagram live or a live thing where I manage to jump on, I think I kind of like real role the conversation just to have a little bit of conversation about Batman with you because it's so fun and so interesting as well. But the one question I'm going to ask, I don't think I've asked you this, how did you get involved in the back? Where was your first, like, what was your first kind of times learning of Batman or seeing Batman?
Was it the comics? Was it one of the shows? What was it a movie? As Batman 89, that was my first exposure to Batman.
And by that time I was already reading Archie Comics and stuff, that was kind of my thing. But my brother, like, I have an old brother who's six years older than me and, you know, universe plus him. Like, I was annoying. And everything he did, I went into do because I was a youngest child and I saw all the cool stuff he got to do.
So I mimicked him, I'm pretty late. And so, yeah, I went to see Batman 89 with him. And that was kind of cool. And I was like, oh, I love this character, but I was also kind of watching him, you know, and he loved it.
So I became obsessed with the Joker. I became obsessed with Jack Nicholson. But then it was a few years later that Batman made a series came out and I was like, oh, okay, now it's a cartoon. And then a little bit after that, I was like, what the fuck is a comic?
I mean, in say that. Yeah, but you know, like there's books about Batman. So it was kind of that. So, you know, thank you, Tim Burton and Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson and everyone involved in that.
And especially Michael, the big producer and has the rights to Batman who actually took us away from kind of the K.P. stuff and gave us the universe that Tim Burton is. Yeah, sorry. That is one of the perfect answers also.
That's why I am interested. You see, because I am known on this podcast and known within my friends, but not being a fan of that, man, which is a strange because I love all things do about them. But, well, sorry, I do like Batman. I like the thing.
But I do have issues with Jack Nicholson's Joker. That is a personal choice, just because I said I'm not going to back up the argument to the Hills. But yes, Sammy, what was your first experience of Batman? Of course, what's this?
Right. The series answer. And I am a huge waspisters fan. Everyone knows this about me.
And I had a VHS of course, was just one and two together. And in the middle of that, two separate the movies was an episode about my 66. I used to watch it. It was a black and white one too.
I was with the series. Yeah, that's how I discovered Batman. But in all honesty, I only watched the Batman movies that was not Nolan's in the last, how long have we been doing this podcast? Four years?
Four years? In the last four years? Yeah, that's a true story. But I have been reading Batman since 2014.
Yes. And Sammy famously, when we went out on a shopping strip, wumbling around Newcastle, which Batman comics should I pick? Which one should I take off with things? So I just instantly slapped her in the face with a long Halloween went, this is the one you need.
This one will give you a feel of what is Batman type thing in my eyes. But it's interesting you're saying like the cereal was up there because that wouldn't have been the 66. It was like my doctor being the the sale with the Louisville's and I think who played Batman first. Was it?
Was it? It was definitely out of West. But it was definitely in black and white as well. It was not because I remember getting a shock seeing it in color on channel four for us.
You keep people when Batman used to be on there. It's so cool. Yeah, I always remember that they just and I could have asked for it. I never did.
I always used to watch it. But that tea, if you got played to death to where it was no longer, I could no longer actually play it anymore. Yeah. I got the DVDs.
Say I was looking because I from a kid, my grandfather used to get me to watch all the Sunday Samuels. So we used to get the land of the Giants. And one of the things that he used to make us watch was the Adam West, the 66 version, which I was obsessed with. Like I was mesmerized by Caesar from I was the Joker, like absolutely unbelievable.
Like the colors, the power, like just like the human having that kind of like brought me on. As Tafla mentioned, I learned about the comics. The first comic I ever read was funny enough, because when they used to bring up a Batman movie, they used to bring up a graphic novel before the release of the film. So you get spoilers.
So there wasn't internet. So you get spoilers through like getting the graphic novel. And I remember getting the Batman comic first going, oh, this looks amazing. Colors great.
And then tried to go and see the movie and got denied because I was too young because of the age of the middle of the UK. I was I think it was a 15. And I think I was only 12 and it was initially released. So I was like, trying to get into the cinema.
And unfortunately, I got knocked back. So I had a weird for the cinema, the video release, which in the people always laugh now because it really comes out. It's out released streaming within six months. So six, sorry, six weeks or even weeks.
We had a week, half a year, or even a year for the release after it was a hit the cinema. So we're not like trying to say the Batman and then saying it and again, not to do Jack Nicholson's Joker dirty. I just wasn't the joke I was expecting. It wasn't kind of because with Batman and the Joker, the joke is just there to cause hit me on cause chaos.
That was always the joke. I was kind of like, but this was kind of like a mobster. This was like, he wanted power and money and stuff like that. That's to me, I couldn't get me head around it.
That's why I always had problems with that version of the joke. But coming back, the watching Batman returns with Danny DeVito as like the penguin to me. That's when I hit Batman, like that was like my ultimate Batman experience when I got to watch that for the first time. That was like saying on the big screen.
But going back before that, the first Batman movie I ever saw was the Iron West Batman, the movie. I remember this so well because it used to be on TV and seeing all these different villains going up and forth. But this is the one that gets the piss hitting out with so much just for two elements in here. One, the battle, see Adam rest running around with the batman in his hands and then the bat shark, sorry the shark with the bat, the shark for a fun.
So seeing that, that makes a and watching that one that explained as well was explains. But what about you? Other than seeing the Tim Burton, what were your feelings towards Adam West's Batman as well? Did you say that one?
I know you mentioned the company Batman, but to me that was the fun Batman. It's one of the daycures I went to that was one of the shows that was on in the background and it never connected for me. So that was kind of I guess my first exposure to Batman. I think about like I didn't watch it.
Like the people like the teachers that was what was on like in their break or whatever. But for me, I never really got into the Adam West stuff and I guess because I went straight into the dark stuff. I'm a brutal girl. I love her like everywhere else.
But for me, it was too bright. It was too much. I guess after being exposed to the brooding movie stuff, my Batman, he didn't dance the fuck. That's too cheesy.
That's so funny. I appreciate it now as an adult. But back then, whenever I was getting into that stuff, it wasn't anything. I was also very punk rock and outwardly and inwardly.
And so just the whole style of it just didn't appeal to me at the time. Now, you know, I can watch it and I can enjoy it. But you know, I'm very melancholy. Anything that was like super colorful.
Unless it was like depressing colorful, I was in. But I'm still there. I don't want to get out of the way. Yeah.
Yeah. 45. So I get it. Two months.
So yeah, I appreciate it. And I've always been more of a detective detective. Yes. It was not much detecting enough to be able to do a girl chase.
It was totally cool. I would have loved to have been poisoned. I'd be your back girl or one of the women. But yeah, give me some detecting.
Give me some brutality. Let me see Batman doing some damage. That just didn't appeal to me. So I didn't get into it until much later.
I'm surprised Sammy wasn't being a fan because I know he wasn't a regular character, but in the original Batman, there was one of Sammy's favorite people in the show. A certain Vincent Price. I knew that. I didn't know that.
I only know that as of recent because I have an unauthorized, but yeah, slightly authorized. Vincent Price ought to pay off. He brought a little sip as far as. But I only know that recently.
There's a lot of things that I've learned about Vincent Price that I've only known recently. And just what he wasn't he wasn't he man basically grown up. So it wasn't he wasn't my thing. But when I say I've watched the Batman movies and the last four years, Batman returns.
Is one that I have seen since it came out. Yes. I have a door to that film since it came out. But for some reason watching the 89 one never appealed to us.
I was like, I don't know. I didn't particularly care about that. She's the shoemaker is his one. So I was like, now I love them.
Like my whole Batman is changed. People forever and always be Val Kilmer. Because of you know, it probably helped watch about adult eyes. I don't think I would get in it as a kid.
I'm too dumb. I'm not interested. I think that me turns came out and it was such a shock to the system. I think because there wasn't many movies like that.
As you said, how Gothic, how dark and it wasn't like trying to pretend to be anything else as well. And there was very much like a comic book failed to it as well. And the changes they made with the Selena character and how her origins changed. They went very thing.
And then I was a couple of parts origins as well. But I don't think they'll ever cast anyone for the Penguin, even though Colin Farrell was unbelievable in the new show. But if you want to go back to the comic of the fail, Danny DeVito as a Penguin in Batman Returns is probably the pinnacle of movie casting that we've had in a long time. Which is that character in general, just the penguin, like they did a really good job of like humanizing him and giving us sympathy because we do get that backstory.
We do get, you know, a little bit more about the tragedy, you know, rather than like the monster that is kind of like, you know, develop like from a from a age. And I think that's one of like the things that I liked about that movie. And I can look back and see the different trails of the different villains. And I think that's a very performative, sexy, sensual, like catwoman that comes out, you know, and he's very empowered by, you know, saying fucking to the man, which is always a good thing.
No offense. I'm not the boss in this at all. But, you know, there's a sympathy that I feel for Oswald at different times. But then, you know, he does a really good job of just like, you know, switching because he's a fucking villain, you know, and to play off the Colin Furring, there's that as well because that series was so magically done, that character, the way they incorporated him into, you know, the Reeves Batman movie and like, you know, kind of this like bumbling guy.
And that's not what we've seen previously. And you know, he is very smart. And I just, I just love how it does have its own kind of arc from Batman Returns into the into the Reeves stuff with a penguin. No, definitely.
Just talk about like the, like the thing about Reeves penguin that we got, because it is quite recent. It feels like one of yesterday, but it was like a few months ago when we got that short that came out. And it had no fucking right to be as good as it was. Like, let's, I was, I was expecting something decent.
But it was on the level of the Sopranos for TV show, like, because Sopranos is up here for me, like TV, like watching. But I've rivalled it. I was engrossed from week and week. I didn't know where it was going to go.
It shocked me in places that ended as well. Like, again, spoilers if you haven't watched it. Yes, yes. Sorry, I got yes.
I just get really excited because they could have gone a different way with that, which you expected to go, but they didn't. And I was like, fuck, yeah, that's what you do. Keep that shit going. Ah, it's okay.
I got used to learn my life thinking about that. Like, when I show lands and knows not to all the players, not to all the players, well, because with certain shows, like, especially American TV shows, the Gawful Life 24 episodes are 22 hours. This felt nicely pierced. It lived in that world that was like, starting to build with like, say, the Batman, which I loved the creation that I was.
And that Gotham felt like a Gotham that was very real. And I remember that Gotham from the comics as well. That's why it kind of like felt home to me. But the difference, playing out, given these side characters so much more, and we met some of the comics from the comics, like, say, the long Halloween and such.
And the two rival families, you know there was that tension, but to say it played out the way it was, it was just like, this is so fucking good. And I haven't Oswald playing it kind of like between them two. And just what an audience character just when they're starting, oh, I'm starting to fail something. I'm starting to kind of like get a reaction from them as well.
They change it up and they kind of bring you back and you're like, oh, yes, you are the most hideous and horrible human being that is in this world. And it just makes you feel like this is how you do get around or get something in Gotham. And this is why this is a need someone like Batman to dress like a bach, like a vigilante to try and not, as we found at the end of like, not racist thing, not to fear, but for hope. It was just so interesting.
And I thought, and all, again, fuck this, when he killed the guy that's been helping him to what I end, it just broke your heart even more. And it kind of left you. Yeah, I mean, exactly. That's where you have this like sympathy for the people.
And then he reminds you again, he's a fucking villain. And you find out he'd actually tell this brother. Yes. I only watched one episode.
I have never, there's been times where Paul is Texas and says, you've got to watch this. It's really good. And he'll just leave it at that because he knows what I'm like. I will say, I will say yes and not do this one.
He pushed and pushed and pushed and kept going. You have to watch it. Absolutely. I think I watched the first maybe two episodes.
And it was really good. It's just me and my, you know, can't concentrate on something for too long. I didn't get fixated on it. So I didn't continue watching it.
Now I feel like too much time's passed. And I'm like, I'll probably go back to it in a few years time. Well, second season's going to be coming out soon. So it'll be a perfect time to catch up if you ever have a date of bid.
I have many days to bid. That's my problem. Go on back as well. Sorry, what we said.
I was like, yeah, just to kind of piggyback on what you're saying. It's a very beautifully done series. It's cinema. It's a very art house.
And it's very good at bringing in the complex like drama that is Gotham because I think one thing that it does write or that Matt Reeves does write is that Gotham is its own character. Like we have all these side characters, but Gotham the city itself is like a character. It's a main character that gets kind of like forgotten about. But when you can incorporate Gotham itself and not just the people, but like it's look and it's beauty and it's darkness and it's grossness and it's like, you know, the stylized territory of everything, you know, from the Waynes to, you know, where the the Alcones are and the companies, right?
You know, it's just beautifully done. It's art house. It's cinema. I love it.
Yes. It's one of those shores where because Batman like has a presence, Batman, like you mentioned Batman, everyone knows doing a show in that universe. I think it needs to have Batman to have life by even half your first episode. You don't even remember what Batman's name is.
It's that aspect that you think I'm watching a Batman show that doesn't need Batman and that's so crafted and so beautiful. And as you said, with Gotham itself, it breathes and stuff. And how the incorporated into the Batman movie as well was so cleverly done and made you think about because we always make jokes like, oh, when superheroes have a fight, the destruction and stuff that cause it's kind of a switch away and like, oh, nothing else happens. How much did that cost the city?
There's a major terrorist act that went on with the Riddler in the Batman way, flooded half the city and normal, like it went to Batman too, like the city's cleaned up. It showed you the ramifications and the effects that it had not just on Gotham, but the public and the people and how they lived after that. That again was such a strong message and such a beautifully way of like continuation of that story. I was just like, wow, it left me just like as you said with goose bundles just this way.
I think they will be something that normally you'll watch a show like that. You'll be like, oh, watch it once and I might not go back to it. That will go back through a watch on like I'll probably even watch Batman the Batman then instead of going the Batman and watch the show afterwards just because it's that great of a continuation. Yeah, I'm really hoping we get like a Batman's no manly and because they've essentially already established it Gotham is flooded and it's not inhabitable.
So it should essentially kind of be if everything that we saw in that movie actually happens and it's going to be a while and that's kind of where I was left with it. I was like, oh my god, this is a great set up for No Man's Land and that's essentially what happens is that the United States just puts them to the side and then leaves them abandoned and there's even less lawlessness. Even more lawlessness and so all the different villains just start taking over and we've already got the pain when we've already got the Joker in Arkham and it's like, okay, so what happens to Arkham? Like if everything is flooded, is it not to be assumed that that's going to happen to Arkham?
So you're going to have Black Mask and Too Faced and all these other people come out and maybe you start seeing Huntress? I don't know, like I'm just really excited. That destruction of the end of that movie leads so much open and when that raves at the base of it in Helm or whatever I'm stoked because I trust in him more than I have a lot of the other Batman people and I really, really hope he gives us Mr. Freeze.
I know that's not really like super tied into that but in the universe he's built that's people ask me what would you like to see? I want Mr. Freeze. That's the one that they have hinted at.
And again I did mention this to Brian last week. There has been rumors kicking about in the last two weeks that Matt Reeves has walked away. I don't know. Yeah, I've heard Whisborings because I know with the James Gunn DC universe that this was supposed to be like an elsewhere, it's gonna be separate.
But apparently he'd love the penguin so much, the sure that he's doing his best in corporate Batman universe into his DC but from looking at the suit mantra of this week, that world is a different. But it doesn't mean James Gunn's could he could he not incorporate it? It could but it could if he does the elsewhere things to where it gets rebuilt and then we have just like this dark left over Gotham, you know, like for the no man's land to where it does sort of incorporation. But I guess if if if Gunn really wanted to have that juxtaposition, like he has a very, very bright colorful Superman and this Batman is so dark indeed that that actually would really work to have this amazing world's finest if you put them together.
But now I'm like going through it in my head and actually it would work because that is such a stark contrast between the characters that I think having those different worlds, even if they are in the same planet or whatever, because that's how the comics are. Like you can go to, you know, Metropolis and everything's curious, like normal, sometimes, you know, but at least if they functioning society with the sun, but with Gotham, like there's not. It's dark. All the causes of blocking the sun and they're just, you know, deteriorating.
So I think maybe I don't know. That's another thesis for another. Who would you have as freeze as in a costume now? Where to say rough?
Was it like Ralph Fiennes? No, it's not. I was actually thinking of a British actor as well, Mark Strong. I do like Mark Strong.
Like I don't like strong. He's he was a red lantern and he was in a kickass. He was in kickass to he was in his, there's all the guy rich movies. He was.
Oh, yes. Oh, sorry. You're just wrong. Oh my God.
I press extra device. Nothing. Yes. Yes.
The Kingsman. Yeah. Yeah. That would be interesting.
But I read Ralph Fiennes. Yeah. He's got that. There's a lot of romance and a lot of heartbreak and a lot of ache and pain behind freeze.
Like even though that wasn't his actual comic or like the adaptation that he got in Batman, the NBA. This is where you get to have to break it down bad because these characters mean a lot. But that is so redefining him and that is such a poignant, beautiful, like again, sympathizing with a villain because at the end of the day he does everything for love. I feel like there has to be that sort of romance behind that character.
Also like torment and like he in wisdom. And I don't know. I feel like Ralph Fiennes is in that air right now early in Neeson. But I feel like he's doing everything right now.
I think he needs to do edgy. There's too much of an edge to him. But with Ralph Fiennes, there's such a softness. Yeah.
Yeah. He can be a villain. Oh God. Janae's list, he was a nasty bastard.
And I would say can't be that, and then that type of film, sweetheart. But also, you can also soften it down. There is a lot of roles that you can kind of, you can switch it, you can even mention there's a list of a degree, there was some kind, it was, it wasn't the best softness, but it was the best we were gonna get out of that person. And yeah, I like that actually.
Mark Strong's good visually, I like the look of him. And he's very English, he's way too English. Yeah, I think, you know, finds his too, but again, there's that soft subtleness because one of my favorite movies is In Rouge. Oh.
He is like, you know, he's like, you know, what is, he's like, you know, but you're still caught, you know. You can say that word, don't worry. It's a little strange. Okay, like I don't either, like he does not, it does not offend him.
It's my mother's favorite words, but I'm sorry. I think of it, in other words, it's like a jackass or a dickhead. That's my mom's, that's my mom's. That's my mom's the same.
But you know, he's got that fire behind him, he can be reserved and have a human conversation. You know, but then all of a sudden that fire clicks in and I just, I think that's what we would need for Mr. Freeze. I'd be able to have that conversation with whoever he's talking to and have that calmness and then also have that trigger and then just fucking flip because that's exactly what it does, you know, and I don't know.
But I really hope that we get that. And I'm, I would be sad if we didn't have Matt Reeves doing that and for some reason if that didn't work out, I think he would probably be one of the few that could adapt part of ice. But then also a lot of the Batman has been picked out from Sean Gordon Murphy's White Knight universe as well. And his take on Mr.
Freeze, and he did the class dance and, oh my God, like that cover is just like the epitome of like, I'm holding, I'm holding that. That's the classical acting. I don't hear. But I'm not, but, you're trying to summon it now.
We'll see, all back back, but on my back, my comics are in the loft. That's not on the wall at the moment. But yeah, it's interesting what you mentioned, part of ice though as well, that is a like, I get what you're saying, to me it felt like like a hard reset on the freeze character. And it was almost like this is going to be, it's like unofficial origin stories going forward.
Because again, that cartoon had no fun right to be as hard as it was. I remember watching as a kid being freaked out for two reasons, because the senses in the UK didn't, what's the thought was the cartoon that was then watched it. It was the first cartoon I saw on Children's Day V with a swear word in. because one of the goons stole Batman to piss off.
I was like, this is nine o'clock on Saturday morning on UQ TV. You're going to be poisoned in the cave. You're in the house. What did I say about, we did, when we did the tunes, we were talking about cartoons, and that was one of the ones that we kind of broke down and talked about.
It's just, as you said, it's cinema. That's pure cinema at its best. Seeing that done live action, it would be a bit special, but again, trying to bring it into the Matt Reeves word as well. That would be interesting, because I love everything to do with the Matt Reeves on like Robert Patterson and Batman.
I love the fucking, you called it the vampire movie. Oh, that's good. I didn't watch that, but I have seen him in a lot of other stuff. And as soon as I saw him in the lighthouse, I was like, oh, then what was the other one?
Like, not the Jim's movie, but the other movie that happy, fast, have cute. I'll look at it in a second. But yeah, he's just like, oh, go over the place. So I went and I watched this movie, because I was like, okay, who can be my Batman?
I was just like, this guy's got it. And he gave us the young, stepping into my moody, telling Alfred essentially to go fuck himself. Like when I saw how he treated Alfred, I was like, oh, what do you mean? I mean, like, I wouldn't hate it.
And that's one thing that I don't think we see enough of is the interaction between young Bruce, except for he's baby Bruce, you know, like, oh, yeah, he's just a Bruce, but we've missed out on that year one and year two, where Bruce is essentially trying to figure out who he is. He's come back and he's trying to, you know, and he doesn't have that connection with Alfred, but Alfred just kind of thinks that. So I really liked, you know, Alfred has it. It's unconditional with Alfred.
So I really liked how they had that display of, you know, that turmoil that they did have to go before, because it wasn't just like, hey, here's a parade, he brings them back, everything's cool. No, he fucking abandoned Gotham, you know, like he had to come back and face the music and Alfred's the one to play it for him. And I just really love, I love them so much. Oh, I love it.
And as you said, it's like watching Batman make mistakes or not quite get it right first time. Because so often everyone thinks, oh, he's the perfect thing. He is the greatest detective, if you go by the comics, but still he had a learnings, really, I was the one where he was coming from. And again, he's thrown in against people that probably above him, like, knowledge wise on all how things work.
And he's kind of like, think there's a go on, he's like, that in a monologue at the start, where it's kind of like a little bit like film noir, a little bit of literally at times where you hear him talking about like fear and how like people in Gotham scared of him and stuff like that. And how he meets them, thugs and the brutality. And again, this is where I think a lot of people, make mistakes when it comes to the Batman films. They don't want me to come back on as brutal as he is.
This is a martial artist who's trained every single form of thing. He's taking things down literally, fighting people with pure rage, because seeing these parents going down in front of him has left that imprint on him. So he's kind of, I know it sounds bad, but he's in relation at rage, but he can't even know where the line is. And I thought this film kind of tore the line perfectly.
And I know I've been done about so much, it gave us that Batmobile. Like, oh my God. Just a noise. I needed like three or four cigarettes after that.
I was like, yeah, fucking kidding me. Like, whenever it came out of the corner and it's rallying and it's harder. And like one of my favorite absolute all time covers, I'm going to be able to just for a second to tie into the Batman number 20, which is the first appearance of that revamped, amazing Jix Springer Batmobile, with like, it had a bad ram on the front with a shield. Oh my God.
And that's, I remember the first I'm seeing that Batmobile, like in print, I was like, this is my dream card. And then seeing something, saying something, saying something, I absolutely will. I'd be like, I would definitely do that, but seeing that in the movie and that growling. And then just kind of seeing all you just see, or just like Bruce's eyes.
And I was like, oh my God, it's got to be real. And it turned into this brittle chase scene, which is like very mafia, very no war. And like, he wouldn't think in he used it to do it ever. And he fucking comes to those things.
Ice real. And I didn't just finish it though as well. I love the aspect where you do the camera work, where it's shorter like upside down, like penguins viewpoint. And seeing that in pause and like, like how fucking scary would that have been?
Seeing a man dressed like that, just tearing above you. You have no control. Like, I don't care how bad I saw how much you've seen, that would have just been like, am I in hell have I passed away? What the fuck is going on now?
But yeah, everything about that film just like resonating me. It's interesting seeing Normans land because that was the feel I was getting where I was coming from. But this was to me as close to year one. And like as we've had in Batman, like in the films as well, and all the touch that on that in Batman 89 where they like got certain looks and that was kind of like where I was driven from.
And all like the the Nolan verse Batman, that was very much like a very quite like Frank Miller style as well. But this to me, I love the Nolan ones. I think that was done well. I know Sam has issues with certain Batman with the Nolan ones, but I know she doesn't like the Dark Knight.
Okay. But we can all be perfect. Yeah. I know it's perfect.
Yeah. I'm the Dark Knight. Frank Miller's Dark Knight is probably one of my favorite Batman comics of all time. Not about the movie, The Dark Knight.
Oh, yeah, I can't stand it. Yeah, it's terrible. Sorry. Sorry.
I forgot what the name of it was there for a second. I can't stand. He's a joke. Can't get away.
Can't don't get it. Don't understand it. We'll never understand it. I'm very sorry that he's no longer with us, but yeah, I don't get it.
Sorry. I told you for God, that movie was called. I was like, how am I a minute? Actually, yeah, you're like the Dark Knight.
I like the most dark. Oh, that one. Yeah, that's a complete different tone. Yeah, I love that comic.
Yeah, but I think I've only got several times over. I think I pull a lot from Year One with the movies and it does have a little bit to do with some smell of that when it still, you know, ties into the night because it develops that relationship of Gordon and Batman. And we actually see the steps that kind of happened and it is, of course, I absolutely love gritty no more. But that's my jam.
Like Batman and the Shadow are like, what is the same for me? Like I also have a big fan of the Shadow. I don't put it out there as much as Batman, but all this is Batman. And then all this over here is the Shadow in my other no more stuff, like the Ring of the Ring here.
But most of it is the Shadow because I feel like there's any way. So let's say. Well, the story of the movie is beautiful. Like it is beautiful.
I just have certain aspects of it that I cannot get away with. I do have a lot of Batman begins. For somebody who wants to be introduced about man, I feel like that's kind of a good gateway. But that's just I'm not, I have learned in how long we've been talking.
I am not, I am not as good as my knowledge of Batman than you two. So it's kind of like a good gateway and it was almost my gateway as well. I remember my husband, and I remember being a guy from 18 years, 18 years ago. He introduced me because he is a huge comic princess, his thing.
And superheroes, his thing. He introduced me to Batman begins. That's where a kind of start. And you Batman returns.
I just, I didn't know Batman. Like I didn't know what he was about until he introduced me to that movie. So I'll give Chris to know that one. I like it.
I do love the Nolan verse. Like even like, like, I love being, I love Tom Hardy's being, I love that. The change to the story, because it would have been difficult if they did do beings or full origin, because I don't think that would have translated well on the big screen. Like, for a child born in prison, due to his mum, and stuff, that's just a really cool.
I think that is a big dream. They did do a good job. And I do like being, I just want to insert, like the only thing that I was frustrated with is I couldn't understand him. I just, I can't understand him.
I just, I can't understand him and other stuff. Which is, which is different. Like, I don't know. It was just so muffled.
And maybe it's one of those movies I need to actually hear with like headphones. But there were times where even with captions, I was like, kids say that. Okay. I told you to say that Tom Hardy is, for me, I started to appreciate it more.
And I think it's in speaking minders, because I could understand him. I could actually pick out an empathy. I can hear the words he was saying, but every Tom Hardy movie is either a grunter or a mumbler. I can know the story between them.
The mumbles, I've seen him like in commercials and I've seen him do like, what is it, like his different reels and stuff? Or he, I can understand what he's saying. So I don't know, maybe if it's just the directors, because at the end of the day, I can understand him elsewhere. I felt like they just went a little too heavy for people who stood in front rows of concerts for like 20 years of their life.
I think that's about 10. It's like, I remember leaving concerts and I'd be like, oh, everyone, it sounds like Minnie Mouse. That's not good to have. No, no, no, I did this in 21 years ago.
I stood in front of an apple pie for six hours and I've never been able to hear him again. I'm definitely one because of it. I am, I noticed that I thought for sure my hearing would be the first to go. It's actually my site, but eventually I will not hear as well as I would like to.
And I recognize that as I get older. I'm like, but man, those concerts are worth it. Yeah. There's also many great shows right there.
Anyways, yeah. It is interesting what you're saying about these accents. I know like purposely Tom McCarty was, like, he was asked to do a colonial British accent. That's where I think the dialect, yeah, yeah, it was very much like, oh, yes.
Like, if you think about the name of the gentleman, like, I'm in the corner, and I would have been using typing a very old fucking thing. Oh, yeah. You just said, Alec, corner me. Sorry.
Sorry. Sure. I'm sure you don't mind her side out there. But I'm a big Alamo fan though as well.
So that's where that comes from. Yeah, yeah. But it's like all, like, I'm an old hunter, like, like, old fashioned, like, like almost like it'd been overseas, like, in South Africa for a certain while, that's where the kind of accents that they were going for. Well, now you said that.
I kind of get it. Like, now you've said it, but at the time it's just, it's just, yeah. Oh my God, yeah, it is, isn't it? We just saw that.
It was really just trying to channel Sean's. I'm going to talk to you. A gentleman. And he really failed.
Yeah. I think it was a choice to make an emergency, but from where he was, that accent doesn't kind of like hit home. And I think a lot of the lines that he delivered were great, but because he was doing the accent it kind of like went, what, what, what, but it's still one of the best Batman fights. I don't know where he was at this week.
Just like with a few things out. But when it brings me back. Yeah, like I love that. So like, um, I can't remember the nightfall.
Wasn't it? Nightfall the coming. Yeah, no, it's like, yeah, that's getting his back broken. Yeah.
And Paul lift up, coming with his name now as a replacement Batman for a while. But, um, jump ball, jump ball. That's real. As we are all, I didn't like as we are.
But again, I could just go on to run. Yeah. I give the other side. So we should do that.
I love Bruce. I, after I really couldn't, we do with the art. So we used to get a lot of that, you know, the as we all Batman art. So I had to go and I actually found myself reading a lot more of his stuff and that.
And I was just like, you know what? He did the shit Bruce would not do. Cool. And that's where my love for him came in.
Like he was not Bruce Batman. He was going Batman and he took a mantle. Very much like Jason Todd. They were like, you know what?
We're going to take everything we fucking know and we're going to make it our own. And I can appreciate that. But yeah, Bruce. Forever.
Just make it clear. Actually, when they depicted that in the film in the movie, that's how in my head, if like watching the panel by panel, that how Batman would get beaten and like the lines he was using as well as in victory as made you soft. It's like, Oh, fuck. He is.
You're doing very well. I'm going to attempt it. How can you be serious when you're filming that? But the thing is, though to him, he would have been he would have been taking this series like this.
This is hardy all over when he did Star Trek Nemesis. He thought that was that's it. He was going to break Hollywood with that movie and because and he put everything into it and because it propped, he kind of like went, Oh, Oh, okay, that's not it. Then when being comes around, it's the same scenario.
I'm going to put everything into this character. And once again, he got the piss taken out of him because he goes too far. If he strips it back just a bit, it will work in his favor. And he did that perfectly in Geeky Blinders.
He played a very character character like a very, like, I'm going in character, but he kind of still managed to strip it back to where one, you could understand them to you actually liked him. And three, he wasn't playing a historical person because Tom Hardy is known for playing historical figures. And that's the only thing he's ever been going to. Sorry.
I can't wait. You'll get the Tom Hardy fans after you again. So don't worry. I can't find me once in my time.
I don't want to particularly happen to me that again. I had fun with Venom. I had a lot of fun with Venom. I think, you know, like, that's just kind of like the decomposition.
Like, you know, there is like, I guess the whole point of, you know, what I say is what you can get from your actor as a director. You put him in situations like that was fun. But yeah, because he was stripped back. He was relaxed.
He didn't have to. He feels when he plays a character of magnitude. He has to. He's got to be all or not.
I think he's a good New York accent. Any brooks? Like I said, I think he did all right. No, no, no, no, no, no.
The accent wise, it all worked for him. But he did. There was not a great deal of effort that went into it. Not with it.
It probably comes down to costume as well. Like, you know, he was he was dressed in nemesis as John Lee Picard. He's got a big vein thing on. He's kind of acted up for the costume that he's.
That's how I say it anyway. Yeah. I was never Tom Hardy's biggest fan. I've learned to appreciate him a lot more growing up.
I don't think the one thing I probably did lose. I said the dark rises is because it didn't. Like, funny enough, you said it didn't use venom. Like the as the power source.
I was like to help build them. Oh, the green stuff. Yeah. Super, super, super, super.
So that was kind of like, I would have interest. I know we got it in. Was it Batman? Robin?
I still would have been interested. The use the excuse that he's masked was like to take the pain or to help with that aspect. But they didn't really use it like the being masked as we've had in the past. It was just a tool.
It was just a thing. It was just it was nothing. Like you could you can talk. You conversation never went to that.
The look of them did look fantastic. And but I when I picture being I'm not picturing the one from that. It's from the video game. Right.
That's my image of art. Right. Yeah. So when I'm looking at Tom Hardy, I'm like, okay.
So I'm going to ask the question now. I did post it on Instagram earlier. Who is your favorite Batman? Okay.
So let's see how tough it is. Up until the Batman, it was Michael Keaton. But I was blown away by by Patterson that I absolutely love. I love his Batman and they are two very different worlds.