How to See Invisible Things With Stephen Roach

from At Sea with Justin McRoberts · host Justin McRoberts

Breath and Clay as a “house of refuge” from cultural noiseCommunity as collaboration, not organizationWhy the event works: clarity plus mysteryMakers show up with projects, not just opinionsReal-world outcomes: collaborations that keep growing after the weekendLetting fruit scatter without controlling the pipelineThe 2026 theme: Making Space https://www.thebreathandtheclay.comThe icon: the chairStephen’s new book: How to See Invisible ThingsInner life and outer life of the artist“Border-walker” artists and the liminal, unresolved middleArt as a way of seeing, not a utilitarian productScarcity vs abundance as a spiritual and creative postureMary “treasuring” as a model for creation and formationBook excerpt: John Cage 4’33, Quaker silence, sacramental visionCall to action: make the investment, ditch something else, come to Winston-Salemhttps://www.thebreathandtheclay.com Links For Justin:Read Justin's SubstackOrder In The Low - NEW Book with Scott EricksonCoaching with JustinOrder In Rest - New Book of PoemsOrder Sacred StridesJustinMcRoberts.comSupport this podcastNEW Single - Let GoNEW Music - Sliver of HopeNEW Music - The Dood and The BirdThe Book - It Is What You Make itHearts and Minds Amazon Barnes and Noble

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Stephen Roach joins the show to talk about Breath and Clay and why it’s built differently than most conferences. With this year’s theme, Making Space, the goal is not a packaged outcome but a shared environment where artists, makers, and seekers can collaborate, experiment, and rediscover how they see the world. They explore why art-making matters for everyone, how creativity trains you to live well in uncertainty, and why beauty operates by a different economy than utility. Stephen shares stories of collaborations born at Breath and Clay and reads an excerpt from his upcoming book, How to See Invisible Things.

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