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This is Pivot from New York Magazine in the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Cara Swisher, and Scott, I'm sorry for being late to our taping today. I apologize. So you want me to ask why, and then you get to name drop?
No, you don't. You don't have to. I'm just going to. You don't have to name drop.
I apologize. I was taping another thing, and I'm late to you, but you're always late, but not this late. Oh, that's a very sincere apology. I'm going to apologize, and you're always late.
Yeah, thank you for that. That was very meaningful. Well, you flex, and you do exercises. People don't know before you start the show.
Scott always does like a manly exercise thing for all of us. It's very exciting for the team. I didn't know you could see that. Oh, yeah.
That's funny. The next thing I'm going to find out, I have an only fans account that I didn't know about. I bet you can make some dough doing that. So where are you today?
I just got back from San Francisco and Toronto. Oh, you're back. Oh, God. I don't do much travel at night.
I never, you're always not worried. I do. I do. I do.
I go to, I'm up at ODARC 100 hours tomorrow. I take the Paddington train, which I love, or the Paddington Express, which is fantastic. I love infrastructure. That's one thing I love about a government that spends too much money on infrastructure taxes at a fair amount.
I love the infrastructure that comes from that. And then I go to LA for my friends, Eddie, Bob, and David for his 50th birthday, which I'm super excited about. I'm going to see my good friends, Kings, Brody, Flash, all our, all our fraternity friends and all their kids. And then I'm in LA.
I don't know if you heard, but I sold an original script in Toronto. Yeah, that's why I was waiting for you to go to San Francisco. You're going to do a development meeting? I'm going to ride your gym.
I don't even know what that means. It's like, do we have a bunch of people from Harvard in a room and like Triumphus dot com? They're snacks. They're snacks.
I'm super excited. I'm just going to go, well, I can't wait. I just hope, I just hope based that someone who's in the union is there and I'm just going to keep on. Well, AI says, I can't wait to do that.
Let me consult Claude. Let me consult Claude. We're having trouble with this dialogue. Let me see what Claude says.
Will you do that? I'll pay you $5 to do that. There you go. And then I go back to New York and I'm hanging there for a while, which I'm really excited about.
We're doing a fancy party with you on a coals or something. No, we're doing an interview interview. Who are we interviewing? She's interviewing us about our deep and abiding relationships.
There you go. Actually, I went to, I did a lot of events, including one where everybody asked me about you, Scott. I'm crazy in Toronto. Canadians love us.
Let me just say. Oh, you're in Toronto. Yeah, I was. It's such a nice city, isn't it?
It is. It really is. I was there for a New York minute. Yeah.
But I was actually mostly in San Francisco. I did the four people running for Mayor of San Francisco, which was interesting. It was interesting for me. I know.
Okay. And I know Yuval Harari, who has a new book out about AI. Wow. He wrote sapiens.
I don't like listening to him about AI. He's scared of it. Really? Yeah, he's scared of it.
A little scared of it. Yeah. But he was great. What about historical stuff?
That was this history of information. So it was really fascinating. Did you know what the best-selling book of the Gutenberg age was? It was not science.
It took 200 years for science books to really get out there. It was a thing called the Hammer of Witches. And it was a book about how to kill witches. And it was best written by a crazy person named Heinrich.
And I can't remember his lesson. But everything in it resonates today. It was the very first QAnon document. And it was because of the Gutenberg printing press.
That's what he was making links between today's modern internet. Everything was conspiracy theories when printing press started. And we don't remember that. And people died.
10,000 people were delved in these witch hunts because of this book. Anyway, just kind of interesting. Very great. Did you read sapiens?
I did. I had to because all the tech bros loved it. So really? I think it's outstanding.
It is. I had taken a lot of those courses in college. And so it was amazing when I would go around because all the tech bros loved it. They're like, did you know this about development of humanity?
I did. I took a college. They hadn't taken history or anthropology or sociology, which was interesting. But I thought he pulled it together beautifully.
I was glad they read it. Who's across the die? Yes, he's great. He's terrific.
Anyway, go ahead. Sure. Go ahead. So every year, my father, until recently got something out of his bucket list and every year, he picked the same thing.
He wanted to go to Toronto to see opening night at the Air Canada Centre of the Leafs versus the Habs being Montreal Canadiens. And when for some reason, I had bagpipers at opening night of the Leafs and they come out on the ice and my dad just melts down and cries for some reason. Didn't cry when he left me and my mom, but he cries when bagpipers come out on ice. Well, bagpipers are very sad.
Yeah, that is very sad. And he does the same thing. And because he doesn't remember, he's not every guy in the mirror. He goes, I got to take it somewhere special and we get in the cab and go to this place.
And we walk down the street and he's like, grabs my hand. He's like, oh, yeah. He's just waiting. He points to this ragtag apartment building.
He goes, look up three floors. CDR conditioner right there. And he's like, that's where you were conceived. Yeah.
Yeah. I know. We've done this every year for five years and it's still awkward. Have you done it this year?
Have you done it this year? No, he hasn't been able to travel for a few years. So, but he loves... No.
I can take you. Yeah, that goes from awkward to worse. I do like Toronto, though. I go to Toronto with you.
It's a great city. Yeah. Well, they want us to come back there and do stuff. Oh, how was that?
Yes. They thank you for your money. They thank you for your money. It was great.
The students were fantastic. I had a full house talking stuff, but they were like, when are we going to have Scott and Cara together here? I said, well, money bags and I will come next year. Oh, Haas, it's changed my life.
Business school. Generally speaking, this is very ducted. One of the nice things about Haas is that I think as someone who knows a lot of people in and around the business community, it attracts nice kids. Yeah.
They're nice kids. Great. They really try and find kids who are humble who maybe come from less economically advantageous backgrounds who just kind of are crazy, crazy smart. And every time I go there, I'm just struck at how the University of California manages and Berkeley manages to attract a really neat kid.
They were. They want to do good. There was very little douchebaggery. None whatsoever.
Really lovely kids. Great questions. They're more I think they're less like on the make from other business schools. Does that make sense?
You mean like a school that rhymes with Stanford? Yeah. Yeah. That one.
But I think it's I had a lovely time with these students, but they love you, Scott Galloway. I appreciate that. Thanks for signing. Yeah.
It's my life. It's my education. I certainly are appreciative. The money that you've given is being split, right?
I gave to joint program. Thank you for asking. It's a joint program between UCLA and Berkeley to focus on continuing education, which is a fancy way of saying vocational programming. I wanted my money to go to something where there was no admissions.
Anyone could just show up and sell and improve my life. And it would be free. And it would be focused on jobs and real economy, nursing, cyber security, construction. And it's the first of its kind and that the Chancellor's Chancellor's Walk and now Chancellor Lyons, it was Chancellor Chris, came together to do a joint program.
It took us two years to figure it out. But I'm just super. It's like an overdue nod to California taxpayers who put it in the seat. So has it started?
Has it started? We're admitting our quote unquote first class of like 120 or 200 kids to the continuing education programs this year. But it's, I love it because it's super unsexy and it has the things I want. I want free and I want to be accessible and I want it to be focused on, I don't want to say young men, but young adults who aren't cut out for traditional four year liberal arts degree.
No, we should do. Let's do it in both places. We're all interview about this. How about that?
We'll do that. We'll talk about it. They're both. Have you seen how many UCLA?
I have. I mean, they're both just. They're just, they're both. They're walking around campus.
Of course, I took my sense there and they're both like, I'm going to go to UCLA and I'm like, well, just so you know, you're not getting in because I don't know if you've heard this. UCLA has 155,000 applications a year now. Yeah. And I do.
Gradually respect this. The both chance was told me on the eve of my actual donation. They said, I would just need to be straight with you. Your kids aren't getting in.
It's actually more difficult now for the children of donors to get in and. Yep, it is. And California just said that it'd be like a private school. Yeah.
Yeah. We'll talk about that. Yeah. Anyway, it was, they love you there.
It was a great thing. Anyway, today, there's a lot we're going to talk about political and economic impacts of Hurricane Helene, our new evidence in the federal election case from Trump. Really disturbing evidence, actually, and not that it'll matter. And I'll listen to a question this week comes from someone who wants dating advice from me and Scott.
That's not a good idea. But first. Yeah. Oscar.
No, no, no, no, no. Let's wait. Ask her if she has what the relationship is like with her father. She says anything positive.
Move along. Move along. Okay. All right.
First, the biggest VC deal ever. Former nonprofit entity, OpenAI. I say former just pulled in $6.6 billion in its latest fundraising round, bringing in a valuation of $157 billion before this funding deal came through. OpenAI reportedly expected about $5 billion in losses a year on $3.7 billion.
OpenAI is currently a capped profit company under the terms of this new investment round. It has two years to fully transform into a for-profit business. It's fine. You will convert to debt.
It obviously will transform. We talked about this a lot less week. In fact, they wrote me and said, don't just make sure Scott sees this. They seem to like what you have to say.
What does it mean for the rest of the AI market? I mean, it's sort of winners and losers at this point, right? That's a lot of money. The new wind sale is OpenVidia.
OpenAI and NVIDIA control. OpenVidia. Oh, I like that. How about?
They control 70, 70, and 92 percent of their markets respectively. Yeah. Technologies have a zero to 60 time much faster now. The zero to two operating monopolies happening.
I'm not sure, but I think NVIDIA may have even invested in this round. The thing that struck me about this round is someone who does these types of investments is obviously there were so many people looking to crowd into this round. I mean, a couple things. So many people trying to get into this round that the leads on it and the bigger investors, including Thrive, were able to create essentially different terms or different classes of stock.
They have investment rights or pro-ratter rights that the other investors in the same round have. That's really non-coacher and not cool because what you're doing is the whole idea of investment in a round is that you're all taking a similar risk. And so when some investors get most favorite nation status, in other words, they get better terms, that's really unusual because what an investor will ask you when you're raising money is they'll say, and I got asked this a lot because I was raising a lot of money in the 90s and 2000s. Am I getting the same terms as every investor?
Because what they don't want to find out is other investors are getting all sorts of additional sweeteners and thereby learning the valuation and they were the dumb money following the people who got a better deal. And these guys were able to pull that off. The other... Just be clear, that's Joshua Kushner, who is the smart one.
I would say I would call him the smart one. Who's not standing? He's seen his own right. He is indeed.
An impressive lovely guy. Nice guy. He's the Kushner we like. The other one loves it.
You know what? The other one was my student and I think he's actually a really nice kid. And also just to be fair, I don't think he gets enough credit for the Abraham Accords. I think that was actually one bright spot in the Trump administration.
Anyways, the other observation is that companies now... You just want to have a company worth $150 billion still private. But what's happened is because there's so much capital now in the private markets. And these guys look at Google and they look at meta and think, as VCs, why did we let the main street get all of this upside?
We'll just keep it private longer. And the employees and the CEO like it because they can have additional compensation. They don't have to do these pesky things called earnings and earnings calls. So unfortunately, a lot of the upside has been transferred from retail investors to private institutional investors.
You never would have had a company at $150 billion raising $6 billion in the private markets. And the bad news is that, again, it's another transfer of wealth. And the people who are already wealthy from the people. You know, Google and meta have made a lot of middle class people a lot of money.
But where do you... I'll give you an example. Airbnb is an amazing company. Amazing.
Anyone, any retail investor who bought it on the first trading day of the IPO has lost money. Because what IPOs are becoming to a certain extent is the last stop when all the juice has been squeezed. When everyone around the table goes, you know what? No one's going to pay a higher price.
I know let's go to stupid retail investors as opposed to a financing event. Anyway, thank you for my tough talk. Yeah. I would agree.
The rich get richer. I think that's what you're saying. So what does it mean for the rest of the market? I think it means they're going to pull ahead, right?
Or they have now had the advantage they need to move forward. I just... I'm fascinated by it. I had an MRI.
I uploaded my MRI. I'm able to see what they suggest, what kind of exercises I should do. I uploaded... I just had blood in urine test on and I uploaded the results to say how should I change my diet and lifestyle.
I mean, I am just... Quite frankly, I'm just fucking fascinated by AI right now. And I think it's remarkable. You know the questions.
I'm not asking all the questions. You know what I did is I uploaded a bunch of our notes and our scripts. And I said, please put together a script for this week based on current events and tech and business. And then I went over to another and I said, try and attach a voice on it.
I'm trying to basically replicate Pivot and see how close we can get. Yeah. We've seen some bad versions of that. Oh, it's not...
It's still awkward. The inflection, the humor, it's still very anodyne, but it really just starts to blow your mind. It does. Someone, someone I was with uploaded something like that, your stuff and asked what she would ask her swisher.
And it was a dick joke. What do lesbians... No, it was what do lesbians do when they have sex. I think that was what came out of...
I don't see answer there. Does it involve Riverdale or strap-on? Okay. Or movies about German shoppers?
That's what it knows of you. There's someone screaming out, Subaru! Subaru! Subaru!
Surprisingly accurate. Anyway, we're moving on. We're moving on. We're moving on.
We're moving on. We're moving on. We're moving on. I got this.
All right. All right. I'm just going to talk about it a little bit, but it fell short of Wall Street expectations. It was 6.4%.
It was 6.4%. So there was increase by 28,000 cars in the same quarter last year. They've been cutting prices too. Plansto fans bail its Robo taxi.
They've much anticipated marketing amount, pretending they're in the Robo taxi business. Meanwhile, we always all over the streets of San Francisco and other states. I don't know if demand's coming back. I just think they're just declining market share, right?
Because they're competitors, essentially. So I'm just going to talk about Elon. Let's go back to lesbians. I saw the state out of the UK, which I think you'll find interesting.
Divorce rates among gay men. 24%. Divorce rates in heteronormative marriages. 44 to 48%, the data was unclear.
Divorce rates among gay couples, lesbian couples, guess what it is? 5%. 72. Whoa.
Really? You see. So I thought it was fascinating. I'm writing a book on masculinity.
I wanted to understand more about what happens when a man... Oh, I got a lesbian divorce. But go ahead. Yeah.
After a divorce. Man or four times is likely to kill themselves. In a few years after a divorce, a man becomes eight times more likely to kill himself. Anyways.
But so I started trying to figure out what factors bring divorce energy to a divorce. And it's mostly money. But also, I looked at this data and I said, do women bring divorce energy? And you can't make that assumption from the 24 to the 48, from the gay men to the heteronormative, because I think what's happened, and there's a lot of evidence of this, I find this shit fascinating.
I think you will too. As women make more money, the assent or the slow but the increase in their earnings has not been matched by the increase in domestic responsibilities that the male partner has taken on. In some marriage on a lot of levels day to day, for a lot of women, it's like, okay, I'm making as much more money than you know. I'm just going to provide her.
And quite frankly, you're not picking up the slack. This is just too fucking much for me. And someone told me that. And it's like, that resonates.
It falls down is that once you go to two women, the divorce energy is really, really high. What are your thoughts as a lesbian? Oh, wow. Well, today is my fourth anniversary of the Mandas.
So happy anniversary, honey. It happens to be today. Good. And anecdotally, does that feel right or wrong?
I don't know. Some of them have been together long. Some of them. I think if they're unhappy, they move along and they don't like, it's easier for a man to stay than unhappy marriage than a woman, I would imagine, right?
Or in the case of gay men, they are much looser around their standards with each other, right? They have a little more. You mean they get it? That's my experience with gay men is that they are more looser than their standards.
And I'm not judging their standards. It's just that they don't get all twisted as much as straight couples do. In the case of busways, I don't know this. When you say busways, do you mean about the notion of them having sex outside of the partnership?
Yeah, like it's a little less. The expectations are lower, I guess. And again, I don't judge the expectations. I think that straight people are really in a vice of expectation almost constantly because of movies, because of, you know, movies do a number on you.
A vice of expectation. Cariswisher, you are good. Thank you. You have a good turn of phrase.
I like that. Thank you. I used to watch all these movies about straight people in the marriages. I'm actually I just watched Nobody Wants This on Netflix, which is Adam Brody and Kristen, what's her name?
Oh, she's fantastic. She was in Frozen. And it's about dating in Los Angeles. And I actually like it because it's honest about straight people dating a little bit more than where they take away.
It's not fascinating about dating. I just that people have these romantic ideas born by Hollywood, you know what I mean? Come true. It's Kristen Bell.
Bell. Yeah. She's a big hit. It's a huge hit right now, although I don't understand how someone could live in Los Angeles and not know what the word shiksa is as a Christian or whatever.
She's great. It's a really interesting and hard look at dating, but it's good, actually, but it's also delightful and they're beautiful people. So it's very attractive. You want to make her some Bell story?
Okay, go ahead. We're way away from Tesla. Go ahead. Yes.
Go ahead. Okay. He's Tesla, blah, blah, blah. The company's overvalued.
Boom, we're done with Tesla. All right. So I went on Dax Shepard, armchair expert, which is like one of the 10 biggest podcasts in the world. Yeah, he did.
And he and his co-host, I'm blanking on her name, super lovely, super nice. We were talking about working out and relationships and we really hit it off and he sent me a text message. I'm like, oh, my God, I'm friends with Dax Shepard. And my producer said we got to get Dax on our podcast and he agreed and then that morning I fucked up as I do often and I forgot that my kid had a spring concert and I had to cancel on Dax like two or three hours before he was due.
And he wrote back, understood, but I need you to know I'm not going to do this again. I'm out. This is totally inappropriate, which I very much respect and I'm so bummed and I was too ashamed to like reach out and apologize. And it was Dax.
I'm sorry. I still want to be friends. Why don't you test him back? Oh, I was just embarrassed.
Oh, come on. I'm embarrassed. But other than having a bigger podcast, you're much more handsome and much more talented and wealthy than me. How is he higher shelf?
He just was like, you're wasting my time. Dax on a shelf. Elph on a shelf. Dax on a shelf.
I didn't handle that one, Tara. I think you need to do this. We'll make a video for Dax Shepard. Look into the camera right now and say, Dax.
I am so sorry. All right. Hold on. Ready?
Dax. I am so sorry. Boo. That's what you call relationship prepare.
Evolve man in touch with his feelings. None of that has been divorced right over here. All right. Okay.
All right. Should we talk about that? No, no. I love how many people I was on Diick from the car.
What a ride. The most interesting thing I think about Tesla right now is that we talked too much about Tesla. The auto company that's gotten a ride for the last two or three years, it's not Tesla, it's Toyota because the biggest thing in auto over the last two years is a recognition by the public that it's not about EVs, it's about hybrids. And EV sales were up single digits and hybrid sales were up hugely double digits.
And who did not get seduced by EVs unlike Ford and General Motors hoping to be more Tesla-like, Toyota. And Toyota. Is that right? Kia has, I have a Kia hybrid.
But basically consumers are waking up to the fact let me get this. I get the benefits of electric without the need for charge stations and I get at a lower cost, it's called hybrids. I think hybrids are quite frankly the future of auto, not EVs and the consumer is responsible. Oh, I think people eventually get to EVs.
I think it's one of these things that's gonna go through that. But you're right, people are slowly moving that direction and they will then feel more comfortable with EVs. I have a lot of people asking about EVs because I have one issue. Your sales are booming.
And Toyota, Toyota, I mean, just to give you a sense. You make out of my Kia hybrid, I just want to know. Yeah, just talk about your magic and pay for a discover card and boom. No third marriage for you.
Yeah, hybrid. Forget this, Toyota, which I believe is now growing faster than Tesla, has a price earnings ratio of nine, Tesla 72. I mean, price to sales, Toyota trades at 0.9 times sales. Tesla trades, depending on the numbers you're looking at, somewhere between seven and nine times sales.
And they are making a better car that's marching with consumer demands right now. But foots better how consumers want to interface with electric without the charging infrastructure nightmare. And it trades at a, one of these companies is under or overvalued. Yeah, so one of the things they're working on is vertical lift and take off stuff too.
Interesting. Yeah, details. They're involved in that too. They're a very smart company.
But let's get to our first story. Voters are split 5050 after Governor Tim Walz and Senator JD Vance faced off in a VP debate on Tuesday according to a political poll. The two VP candidates discussed immigration abortion and other elections. People kind of liked it.
They said it was civil and interesting. During the conversation, although there were some moments, during the conversation on immigration moderators cut the mics of both candidates when Vance interrupted to say the host were not supposed to be fact checking in per debate rules. He shouldn't have done that. He looked like an idiot.
Another stand up. No, he looked stronger. No, he did not. I looked down.
I'm like to answer the question. They said they weren't gonna fact check it. No, they didn't quite say that. They didn't.
At the beginning of the debate, we're not gonna fact check and they fact check. Lots of people did not think that. He called them out for it. No, not the people didn't like that.
Another stand out moment. Vance refused to answer the question whether he believes Trump lost the 2020 election. This was a weak point, which Walz called in damning non-answer. But also again, it was noticeably more civil than presidential debates.
A lot of people were noting on that. Let's listen to a moment during the closing remarks. Well, I've enjoyed tonight's debate and I think there was a lot of commonality here. And I'm sympathetic to misspeaking on things.
And I think I might have with the Senator. Me too. Yeah, it was actually interesting. It sort of normalized JD Vance, so I think it was a very dangerous character.
But what do your overall takeaways? You go first. The biggest winner here was America. It demonstrated how our elected representatives were supposed to acquit themselves.
They were respectful. They didn't interrupt each other a lot. I thought Margaret and Nora Donald, Margaret Brennan did a fantastic job. And it just made me feel better about being American.
And it contrasted the chaos and bullshit and childlike behavior that happens when Trump is in any room or in something like a debate. The next biggest winner was JD Vance. He came across as very intelligent, reason, thoughtful, his agility around. I mean, you gotta keep in mind, he's playing with a much worse hand than Wals.
Wals can say to him, hey, does your boss believe that Biden won the election? And Vance was able to say, well, okay, first off, Hillary Clinton didn't believe there was election. Give me some running room. He counters with Hillary Clinton did the same thing and censorship is worse.
Okay, you're right. That is the mother of all false equivalences. Secretary Clinton showed up at the inauguration and she conceded, right? Censorship is fucking ridiculous in this red herring.
Anyone who claims censorship won't shut the fuck up and has a top podcast in his everywhere. But I gotta give it to the guy. He took chicken shit and made it mostly chicken salad. And given the hand he's been dealt, he did it really well.
I thought, Wals started off shaky, got better. They both cemented their brand as Wals brand is likable and he was very likable. And Vance's brand is intelligent and he came off as very intelligent. And the big winner here other than America was Vance because quite frankly, coming out of this debate, Vance in my view is probably the top contender for the GOP nomination in 2028.
I think he saw the future of the Republican party. Yeah, I do. You know, he lies a lot, just more deftly. I'm sorry.
And that's not a good thing. Like, oh, so he managed to normalize his lies. And I don't know if that's a positive thing. He's certainly a serious contender.
That is no question about that. And I think he acquits himself well. He's still a creepy person who does, has an issue with women. It's a real, which he didn't let out.
He didn't show that. He didn't take the mask off on that thing. But some of his other comments are disturbing. If you go back in any interview, they're disturbing in the extreme.
And so... They're talking about the debate. Yes, but the reason I'm saying it's disturbing is that he also is very good at masking himself as a normal person. And he's not normal.
And so... He doesn't have to do that. When I look at some of these, you've got to go back and look at these interviews. They're just...
Nobody talks like this. And so I think he's able to normalize his very dark view of humanity in a way that, if he wasn't such a dark character, I would say this was a really nice civil thing. And every competition lies. But he manages to take anything where there's false equivalency and try to really...
He cannot miss a moment of lying about something. Like he just can't admit anything very much. He can't say, yes, this is a problem. No, this is...
And I would like our public officials to say, I made a mistake or that yes, this was wrong. He cannot do that as a person. What is he gonna say? I hate my mother and as a result, I'm a deep dark misogynist and I'm supporting a guy who can only think as the American Hitler.
I agree with everything you said. He was very good. Yeah, he was. No, he wasn't really good.
I still don't think it matters in any way whatsoever. But I do think that's him up for the future. It's already out of the news cycle. It was a split decision amongst the VP debate is pretty much a nothing burger.
Right, exactly. And it doesn't really matter. But I do, you do have to see who's going... As you say, the actual tables show that this guy might be president.
So that's why we're paying attention to him, right? Because Donald Trump is old. And obviously, speaking of which, adults beyond belief, this last speech he gave. And finally, the Washington Post wrote about it.
Very, you know, they wrote about Joe Biden all the time. Donald Trump wasn't just a crazy word salad that he usually is. There's something happening to him cognitively that is very, I don't know what it is, but it was really pronounced this past week. And it's either drugged or something is gone wrong.
And it's not as usual, a couple crazy. Anyway. Nothing's gone wrong. It's called being 78.
And with the history of Alzheimer's in your family, I kept thinking what is happening to this guy's words. Anyway, and I think we should call it out because I called out for Biden. I think Donald Trump is cognitively disabled. So we have some, so this guy might be president, if that's all I'm saying.
That's why it matters. So we also have some new evidence. This is interesting. This just dropped last night in the 2020 election case against Donald Trump unsealed.
By Judge on Wednesday revealed special counsel Jack Smith's outline of the former president's desperate attempts to overturn the 2020 election, which has been reported, but some of it was not, which was interesting. He kind of put it together in a timeline. Smith emphasized that Trump's scheme was a private criminal effort and that he's acting as a candidate. Not a president, he needs to do that because of the Supreme Court decision that presidents have immunity for official acts, but not private acts.
One of the things was when he was told about the danger to Mike Pence, he said, so what? And then another point he went by, AIDS kind of had it with his non-reaction. They left the dining room. He was throwing ketchup in and he started writing very dangerous tweets about Mike Pence that put him in direct danger.
And this is when he was cogent. Do you think this matters? I think that this came out. Do voters care?
I think it's an add to the list of things. Nobody cares that this guy's a criminal, I guess. If there's anything that is disqualifying here, it's January 6th in his behavior. That I'm pretty sure you felt this way.
When I saw this mob hunting down our elected representatives and I saw them cowering in the rafters in the Rotunda, I thought it was arguably the most shameful day we've had. And maybe since the Japanese internment, I thought we have lost so much moral authority. And I mean, it just was so, it was so deeply, I don't think of myself as someone who's, I don't know, like a student at the Constitution, I found it so deeply rattling. And that he's watching it like it's a sport and aiding these people on.
I thought, and it also gave me the impression I am totally out of touch with the American people and how much they either, their sycophantry can override their sense of justice and right or wrong or that things are so bad for so many Americans that they will accept this in exchange for someone they think is gonna burn it all down. But that to me was absolutely the low point in America for the last, I don't know, 40 or 50 years. And it just showed me I have no political instincts because I thought that's it. I thought he was gonna be in prison.
And I thought for sure he'd be out of all public sight whatsoever. And it's a toss up right now for president. I just don't, I have terrible political instincts. That's what it taught me.
Yeah, I, you know, I do think over, you need to have this historical record, right? You need to have it said what he did. So that even if they don't care, it doesn't matter. He did it.
He sat in that dining room, you know, addled on whatever the fuck he takes, all the different things and catch up and put someone in danger. This is a, this is someone who's a sociopath as far as I can tell. And that's what I read it. I was sort of like what a sociopathic behavior.
And I think putting the timeline together, no matter what will follow this man into his grave, right? This is, this kind of stuff, he may not pay for himself. I think it's critically important that this is laid out. There's so much stuff he's done and others have done that have not like the stuff in Ukraine, the antics, you know, that Rudy Giuliani did.
Why isn't Rudy Giuliani in jail for criminal acts, right? And so I think that will follow these people to the ends of the earth to put it down. But I agree with you. I don't know if it matters.
I think people, everyone's like, everything's baked in and I'm like, that is a sick indictment of this country if everything is baked in and it doesn't matter what he does. But I thought it's worth reading this. I don't know if it'll matter or voters care or have already figured this out that he did this and decided I don't care. But, and the ones that care care, right?
And so we'll see where it goes. But I think it's important to lay it all out and to act like we're a nation of laws and not men. So we'll see, we'll see. And I think the internet, speaking of, we're not remembering the vice-president debate.
We're not remembering the assassination attempts. We're not remembering the, like everything goes through in this fast moving way that we've, that it's just like a television show. And you're like, next on this thing. So maybe it'll be next, but I'm pit matters, I think.
Anyway, let's go on a quick break. We come back. We'll talk about the aftermath of Hurricane Helang. We haven't talked about it and take a listener mail question about dating goals where you can make your jokes cut.
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