Innovation, Online Learning, and What Church Leaders Can Learn

from Called to Lead: Pastoral Leadership for Today’s Church · host John Rinaldo

In this episode of Called to Lead, Dr. John Rinaldo is joined by Toby McChesney, Vice Provost for Graduate Programs at Santa Clara University.Drawing on decades of experience in graduate education, enrollment strategy, and marketing, Toby reflects on why online learning has become essential to the future of higher education and what trends are shaping how adults learn today. The conversation then turns to the Church, exploring what pastoral leaders can learn from higher education and marketing practices about accessibility, communication, and meeting people where they are—without losing mission or identity.

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