Interoception Changes How We Teach Regulation for PDA Autistic and Neurodivergent Kids (Guest Kelly Mahler)

Meltdowns, shutdowns, and “out of nowhere” explosions often get labelled as behaviour problems, but what if they come from not supporting our children to really listen to their bodies, first? I sit down with award-winning occupational therapist and author Kelly Mahler to talk about interoception, the often-missed sense that helps us notice what’s happening inside the body. When autistic children and other neurodivergent kids struggle to name feelings, it’s not a moral failing or a motivation issue. It can be a signal-detection issue, and the signals are invisible.We dig into why starting with emotion words, facial charts, or generic coping strategies can set kids up to mask rather than understand themselves. Kelly shares a simpler starting point: body signals before emotion labels, and curiosity before compliance. We talk about why deep breathing is not a universal fix, how adult modelling can teach interoception without creating pressure, and why many of us as parents find this hard after a lifetime of pushing through our own needs. Along the way, we name the accidental messages kids hear, like “you should always be calm”, and how validating messy, confusing body feelings can build real resilience.If your family lives with PDA demand avoidance or a strong drive for autonomy, this part matters: we explore how internal sensations like hunger, toileting needs, fatigue, overwhelm, and even sleep supports kicking in can feel like demands. We also connect interoception to nervous system regulation and felt safety, because strategies land differently when a child’s body feels under threat. Kelly points you to free resources at KellyMahler.com, including a printable adult modelling booklet to help you start today.If this conversation helps, please subscribe, share it with a parent who needs a kinder lens, and leave a review so more families can find neurodiversity-affirming autism support. What support do you need most right now?Resources from Kelly :) https://www.kelly-mahler.com/ Text me and tell me- What do you want to hear for future episodes?If something in this episode hit home, you don't have to figure out the next step on your own. I support families at a few different levels — from community resources through to one-on-one coaching. Come find me on Instagram at @chantal.hewitt and send me a DM. Tell me what's going on for your family and we'll work out what support looks like for you.Support the show✨ Raising PDA Community | Join FREE for 7 Days! Includes immediate support.Explore these topics:⚡ Regulation & Safety: Understand why PDA is a Nervous System Response.🗣️ PDA Foundations: Master the shift to Declarative Language & Safety.🏫 Education & Advocacy: Navigating masking and School Refusal.🔗 JOIN A SUPPORTIVE COMMUNITY:✨ Raising PDA Community | Join FREE for 7 Days! Includes immediate support.✨ Free PDA Language Guide: FREE GUIDE✨ Free PDA Boundary Setting Workbook: FREE WORKBOOK✨ Free 30 Minute Connection Call: BOOK HERE ✨ Free Calm Parent Checklist: FREE CHECKLIST