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EPISODE · Apr 14, 2026 · 29 MIN

Is Your AI Tool Destroying Attorney-Client Privilege? What Every Lawyer Needs to Know

from IP Mastery for Entrepreneurs with Julie King: Trademarks, Patents, and More · host Julie King

There is a federal court decision from February 2026 that every attorney using AI tools needs to read, not because of what it held, but because of what it did NOT hold, and because most of the published commentary is getting the scope of the ruling wrong in ways that could lead you to precisely the wrong conclusions. In this episode, Julie King of King Patent Law, PLLC, walks through the Heppner decision with the precision it deserves, then covers the issues that matter even more for day-to-day practice: attorney AI use and privilege, the AI meeting notetaker ethics trap that is affecting almost everyone, the escalating sanctions for AI hallucinations in court filings, and what the Supreme Court’s cert denial in Thaler means for IP attorneys advising clients. This episode covers: What Heppner actually held — and the three specific grounds the court relied onWhat Heppner did NOT decide (and why too much published commentary is misreading the scope) The attorney AI use and privilege question the court left open and the email analogy that helps navigate itWhat ABA Formal Opinion 512 and state ethics opinions actually requireThe AI meeting notetaker problem: Otter.ai, Zoom AI Companion, and the artifacts problemThe Illinois-specific wrinkle: two-party consent and BIPAThe escalating sanctions spectrum: from Mata to disqualification and full-book disclosureWhat the Thaler cert denial means for IP attorneys advising clientsTIMESTAMPS(00:00) The misread: how a lot of Heppner commentary is getting it wrong(01:34) Why listen to me about this? My background(02:24) Section 1: What Heppner actually held: the three grounds (05:33) What Heppner did NOT decide: attorney use, enterprise tools, attorney-directed use/Kovel(08:02) What to tell your clients about using AI(08:17) Section 2: Attorney AI use and privilege: the email analogy and ABA Opinion 512(14:47) Section 3: AI meeting notetakers: the trap nobody is talking about(20:24) Section 4: Hallucinations, sanctions, and candor: the escalating spectrum(24:23) Section 5: Thaler cert denial: what it means for IP attorneys advising about copyright and AI(26:04) Wrap-up and practical checklistCompanion episode: Episode “What the Law Actually Says About AI and Your IP: Copyright, Trademarks, Patents, & Digital Replicas” at https://youtu.be/bazNjQHM92o covering AI and IP for business owners and creators: copyright, trademark, patents, training data, and digital replicas. Links:Chat with Claude about privilege transcript: https://kingpatentlaw.com/chat-with-claude-about-privilege/ARDC ethics hotline: iardc.orgHallucination database: https://www.damiencharlotin.com/hallucinations/Avoid the legal horrors, and keep rocking your IP.Full transcript and more resources at ⁠⁠kingpatentlaw.com/blog⁠ Ready to protect your brand and business? Book a consultation at kingpatentlaw.com⁠. We serve intellectual property clients nationwide and business and estate planning clients in Illinois.Disclaimer: This information is for educational purposes only, is not legal advice, and does not form an attorney-client relationship. For advice about your specific situation, consult with a licensed attorneyJulie King | King Patent Law, PLLC | 301 N Neil St Ste 400, Champaign IL 61820. Phone and email available at kingpatentlaw.comContains attorney advertisement material.

There is a federal court decision from February 2026 that every attorney using AI tools needs to read, not because of what it held, but because of what it did NOT hold, and because most of the published commentary is getting the scope of the ruling wrong in ways that could lead you to precisely the wrong conclusions. In this episode, Julie King of King Patent Law, PLLC, walks through the Heppner decision with the precision it deserves, then covers the issues that matter even more for day-to-day practice: attorney AI use and privilege, the AI meeting notetaker ethics trap that is affecting almost everyone, the escalating sanctions for AI hallucinations in court filings, and what the Supreme Court’s cert denial in Thaler means for IP attorneys advising clients. This episode covers: What Heppner actually held — and the three specific grounds the court relied onWhat Heppner did NOT decide (and why too much published commentary is misreading the scope) The attorney AI use and privilege question the court left open and the email analogy that helps navigate itWhat ABA Formal Opinion 512 and state ethics opinions actually requireThe AI meeting notetaker problem: Otter.ai, Zoom AI Companion, and the artifacts problemThe Illinois-specific wrinkle: two-party consent and BIPAThe escalating sanctions spectrum: from Mata to disqualification and full-book disclosureWhat the Thaler cert denial means for IP attorneys advising clientsTIMESTAMPS(00:00) The misread: how a lot of Heppner commentary is getting it wrong(01:34) Why listen to me about this? My background(02:24) Section 1: What Heppner actually held: the three grounds (05:33) What Heppner did NOT decide: attorney use, enterprise tools, attorney-directed use/Kovel(08:02) What to tell your clients about using AI(08:17) Section 2: Attorney AI use and privilege: the email analogy and ABA Opinion 512(14:47) Section 3: AI meeting notetakers: the trap nobody is talking about(20:24) Section 4: Hallucinations, sanctions, and candor: the escalating spectrum(24:23) Section 5: Thaler cert denial: what it means for IP attorneys advising about copyright and AI(26:04) Wrap-up and practical checklistCompanion episode: Episode “What the Law Actually Says About AI and Your IP: Copyright, Trademarks, Patents, & Digital Replicas” at https://youtu.be/bazNjQHM92o covering AI and IP for business owners and creators: copyright, trademark, patents, training data, and digital replicas. Links:Chat with Claude about privilege transcript: https://kingpatentlaw.com/chat-with-claude-about-privilege/ARDC ethics hotline: iardc.orgHallucination database: https://www.damiencharlotin.com/hallucinations/Avoid the legal horrors, and keep rocking your IP.Full transcript and more resources at ⁠⁠kingpatentlaw.com/blog⁠ Ready to protect your brand and business? Book a consultation at kingpatentlaw.com⁠. We serve intellectual property clients nationwide and business and estate planning clients in Illinois.Disclaimer: This information is for educational purposes only, is not legal advice, and does not form an attorney-client relationship. For advice about your specific situation, consult with a licensed attorneyJulie King | King Patent Law, PLLC | 301 N Neil St Ste 400, Champaign IL 61820. Phone and email available at kingpatentlaw.comContains attorney advertisement material.

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